Individuals with a conflict of interest, particularly those representing the subject of the article, are strongly advised not to directly edit the article. See Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. You may request corrections or suggest content here on the Talk page for independent editors to review, or contact us if the issue is urgent. |
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||
|
The following Wikipedia contributor has declared a personal or professional connection to the subject of this article. Relevant policies and guidelines may include
conflict of interest,
autobiography, and
neutral point of view.
|
The Bayonet Constitution was written by the "Hawaiian League", which was in turn formed by the Committee of Safety (Hawaii). Page 347 of the below-listed book says Emerson was part of the Hawaiian League. Page 367 says this, "Persons chiefly engaged in drawing up the constitution were — L. A. Thurston, Jonathan Austin, S. B. Dole, W. A. Kinney, W. O. Smith, Cecil Brown, Rev. [W. B.] Oleson, N. B. Emerson, J. A. Kennedy, [John A.] McCandless, Geo. N. Wilcox, A. S. Wilcox, H.Waterhouse, F. Wundenberg, E. G. Hitchcock, W. E. Rowell, Dr. [S. G.] Tucker, C. W. Ashford."
I am restoring the text in the article. — Maile ( talk) 00:02, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
The Hawaiian League consists of these 13 members:
The Committee of Safety, formally the Citizen's Committee of Public Safety, was a 13-member group of the Hawaiian League also known as the Annexation Club. Henry E. Cooper, Chairman, Theodore F. Lansing, Henry Waterhouse, Lorrin A. Thurston, Ed Suhr, F.W. McChesney, John Emmeluth, Wm. R. Castle, Wm. O. Smith, J.A. McCandless, C. Bolte, W.C. Wilder, and Andrew Brown.
Dr. Nathaniel Bright Emerson is NOT a member! Huaka'i Emerson ( talk) 17:14, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Is this enough or do I need to continue? The evidence clearly proves that Emerson was not only an active member of the group responsible for writing the Bayonet Constitution but was also a main contributor per the note in the original 1887 constitution in the Hawaii State Archives. The sharpshooter inclusion earlier is traced to a primary source where Emerson signed a letter from men addressed to Dole and the Provisional Government offering their services as sharpshooter (see Facebook link above for the letter). I have yet to encounter sources stating Emerson testied in favor of annexation but I am not surprised if he did. His work translating Hawaiian mythology does not prove he did not support annexation. It also seems a lot of his translations have been viewed negatively too since he looked down on parts of Hawaiian culture that did not suited his American conservative sensibilities including the mele maʻi or genital chants. (Vowell, p. 199). Also one last point, stating Emerson's name was not on the constitution is probably right but doesn't prove he was not involved because constitutions are government documents and usually drafted by multiple individuals; they are signed by the monarch not the people responsible for drafting it, so none of the contributors to the 1887 contrition would have signed the documents.-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 03:37, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
If someone says you are a member of a secret society does that make it true?
What if I said every editor from Wikipedia was really a member of a secret Nazi fact burning party seeking to destroy all information & knowledge as we know it?
Would this be true?
Where are the facts (aside from the fact no University on Earth will admit Wikipedia as a valid source)?
Dr. Emerson was not a member off these groups or did he have any contribution to the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom.
This is false.
Dr. Emerson has contributed volumes of Hawaiian history & unwritten Hula to our archives.
Wikipedia is slandering a great man with hearsay and misinformation.
Dr. Emerson was born & raised in Hawai'i & worked his entire life to save Hawaiian culture proven by his great works.
STOP SLANDERING OUR FAMILY WITH MISINFORMATION
Mahalo = Thank you Huaka'i Emerson ( talk) 15:55, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
Dr. Emerson's name is not on the document in question.
There is no evidence supporting his "founding member of the hawaiian league".
This is hearsay.
Stop adding inflammatory misinformation to this listing.
Individuals with a conflict of interest, particularly those representing the subject of the article, are strongly advised not to directly edit the article. See Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. You may request corrections or suggest content here on the Talk page for independent editors to review, or contact us if the issue is urgent. |
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||
|
The following Wikipedia contributor has declared a personal or professional connection to the subject of this article. Relevant policies and guidelines may include
conflict of interest,
autobiography, and
neutral point of view.
|
The Bayonet Constitution was written by the "Hawaiian League", which was in turn formed by the Committee of Safety (Hawaii). Page 347 of the below-listed book says Emerson was part of the Hawaiian League. Page 367 says this, "Persons chiefly engaged in drawing up the constitution were — L. A. Thurston, Jonathan Austin, S. B. Dole, W. A. Kinney, W. O. Smith, Cecil Brown, Rev. [W. B.] Oleson, N. B. Emerson, J. A. Kennedy, [John A.] McCandless, Geo. N. Wilcox, A. S. Wilcox, H.Waterhouse, F. Wundenberg, E. G. Hitchcock, W. E. Rowell, Dr. [S. G.] Tucker, C. W. Ashford."
I am restoring the text in the article. — Maile ( talk) 00:02, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
The Hawaiian League consists of these 13 members:
The Committee of Safety, formally the Citizen's Committee of Public Safety, was a 13-member group of the Hawaiian League also known as the Annexation Club. Henry E. Cooper, Chairman, Theodore F. Lansing, Henry Waterhouse, Lorrin A. Thurston, Ed Suhr, F.W. McChesney, John Emmeluth, Wm. R. Castle, Wm. O. Smith, J.A. McCandless, C. Bolte, W.C. Wilder, and Andrew Brown.
Dr. Nathaniel Bright Emerson is NOT a member! Huaka'i Emerson ( talk) 17:14, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Is this enough or do I need to continue? The evidence clearly proves that Emerson was not only an active member of the group responsible for writing the Bayonet Constitution but was also a main contributor per the note in the original 1887 constitution in the Hawaii State Archives. The sharpshooter inclusion earlier is traced to a primary source where Emerson signed a letter from men addressed to Dole and the Provisional Government offering their services as sharpshooter (see Facebook link above for the letter). I have yet to encounter sources stating Emerson testied in favor of annexation but I am not surprised if he did. His work translating Hawaiian mythology does not prove he did not support annexation. It also seems a lot of his translations have been viewed negatively too since he looked down on parts of Hawaiian culture that did not suited his American conservative sensibilities including the mele maʻi or genital chants. (Vowell, p. 199). Also one last point, stating Emerson's name was not on the constitution is probably right but doesn't prove he was not involved because constitutions are government documents and usually drafted by multiple individuals; they are signed by the monarch not the people responsible for drafting it, so none of the contributors to the 1887 contrition would have signed the documents.-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 03:37, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
If someone says you are a member of a secret society does that make it true?
What if I said every editor from Wikipedia was really a member of a secret Nazi fact burning party seeking to destroy all information & knowledge as we know it?
Would this be true?
Where are the facts (aside from the fact no University on Earth will admit Wikipedia as a valid source)?
Dr. Emerson was not a member off these groups or did he have any contribution to the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom.
This is false.
Dr. Emerson has contributed volumes of Hawaiian history & unwritten Hula to our archives.
Wikipedia is slandering a great man with hearsay and misinformation.
Dr. Emerson was born & raised in Hawai'i & worked his entire life to save Hawaiian culture proven by his great works.
STOP SLANDERING OUR FAMILY WITH MISINFORMATION
Mahalo = Thank you Huaka'i Emerson ( talk) 15:55, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
Dr. Emerson's name is not on the document in question.
There is no evidence supporting his "founding member of the hawaiian league".
This is hearsay.
Stop adding inflammatory misinformation to this listing.