This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Nataraja article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | Nataraja was nominated as a Philosophy and religion good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (January 6, 2022). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | An email has been received at
VRTS concerning some or all of the text on this page, and can be read by users with a VRTS account.
However, the message was not sufficient to confirm permission for the text. This may, among other reasons, be because there was no explicit release under a free license, or the email address that the permission came from is not associated with the location where the content was originally published. For an update on the issue, please contact the user who added this template to the page, someone else with a VRTS account, or the VRT noticeboard. If a valid permission is not provided within 30 days of the first response by a VRT volunteer, the text will be deleted. |
![]() | This article links to one or more target anchors that no longer exist.
Please help fix the broken anchors. You can remove this template after fixing the problems. |
Reporting errors |
Straightened out the spelling of Shiva as a deity, and added a bit of info of Nataraja's flowing locks.
The image and the info on the locks was was from the dreadlocks page.
Hope people can expand on my beloved Hara's page!:) Om Namah Shivayee!:) -- Snowgrouse 19:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello, can I draw attention to what is surely most represented by the encircling fire (which I think needs underlining a little more) which is the destructive state of being lost in the senses, that Shiva avoids: as long as the attention is circumscribed by the dynamic silence of the self, thought and action are necessarily perfect. When it strays to the material universe such that it loses itself in attachment to the fruits of action, rather than returning on itself before reaching the objects of the senses, error is inevitable. Circumscribed or self-referal consciousness, knowledge already being complete within us and the divine, is the bliss and freedom of dance- compared with ignorance, fear and bondage lying just beyond. Shiva remembers the self (it always being there), the perfect poise between himself and the world established, and in renouncing internally gains everything: the material world per se, or maya, is just beyond the edge of attention. There's a huge array of ways of describing this though (inc eg dance being fundamental Dionysian over delusory Apollonian rationale)...! --
Be without the three gunas, O Arjuna
17:28, 25 November 2006 (UTC)Sean McHugh
I've edited the article with slight expansions to the intro, and thus removed the context tag. I tried to point out all the possible info I could think of (consisely) at the beginning. If anyone wants to point out stuff that's still unclear, it'd be a great help.-- Snowgrouse 15:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Is chidambaram, center of universe? (not even sun is center of universe, unless we are talking about relativity). Citation needed or may be edited out, because this piece of information might be a misleading scientific fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.2.36.209 ( talk) 05:35, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
In some Images of nataraja we see mahakala at the top who seems to devour the flames, which are souls. This represents moksha or nirvana i think... At the bottow we see creatures (makara's?) who seem to spit those souls. ( N33 12:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC))
Hi, doing some research, and I happened to notice that under Nataraja#Significance, there is the exact same text that is found on this webpage. I don't have time right now to fix it, but someone should... akokskis ( talk) 17:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from: http://www.exoticindiaart.com/article/nataraja/. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a license compatible with GFDL. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Just a link to an image uploaded by me: [1]. -- Bhadani ( talk) 16:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I just removed this para, as it does not actually mention the importance of Nataraja in Bharatanatyam. If someone (qualified) can actually specify the importance and cite sources, please do so. I would love to learn that! Besides, what was contained in that para was mere metaphysical mumbo-jumbo, not encyclopedic and not verifiable (if there is such a thing as verifiability in mumbo-jumbo). I had added a fact tag there long back, and predictably none came. I have retained the info about the anthropomorphic depiction. Sudeepneelakantan ( talk) 21:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Shiva as the Lord of Dance LACMA edit.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on November 5, 2012. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2012-11-05. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! — howcheng { chat} 20:54, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
please add from where he was originated from..... write the places where he was worshiped...write the dance he indicates in the statue, it is bharatnatayam. it is mostly used in bharatnatyam.... also add the story behind his position he has....
Nijgoykar ( talk) 03:05, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Another picture for the gallery, once we get it uploaded to Commons. — Luis ( talk) 21:09, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
@ Sobanbabu.b: Wikipedia articles are not considered WP:RS for wikipedia. Do you have an external WP:RS for your allegation that "Nataraja is not a Sanskrit word, rather it is a Tamil word". FWIW, the Stromer source cited in the main article actually affirms it being Sanskrit. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 20:07, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
The words Nataraja is Sanskrit,and is adopted by all Indian languages as a loanword.Its derived from the root naT(to dance) [1],and raja(king) [2].The word nat here does not come from Tamil,whereas the word Rajan is rendered as Arasan [3] [4],Arasu in many languages of South India.Please do not furnish any etymologies without citing the opinions of the scholars. Nijgoykar ( talk) 03:05, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
The word Nataraja is a Sanskrit term from नट nata meaning "to dance" and राज raja meaning "lord, king". [5] It is often translated as Lord of dance or King of dance. [6] [7] According to Ananda Coomaraswamy, the name is related to Shiva's fame as the "Lord of Dancers" or "King of Actors". [8] The northern name Narteśvara, stems from Sanskrit नटnata, dance, (as in Nataraja) and ईश्वर ishvara meaning "lord". [9] The form is also known in Tamil as Adavallan meaning "Master Dancer". [10]
References
{{
cite web}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)
coomarados
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).:0
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).GA toolbox |
---|
Reviewing |
Reviewer: Chiswick Chap ( talk · contribs) 21:29, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
I'll take this one. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 21:29, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Well, to start, it is very welcome to see an article on an ancient and complex art tradition like the Dancing Shiva. Clearly the key to such an article is the disentangling of the threads of shifting tradition, alternate interpretations, and major historical influences, as well as of the uses to which the tradition has been put, both in its Asian contexts and in the West. Unfortunately, at the moment that sort of clarity of encyclopedic analysis is not what comes across from the article.
I'll put the article on hold to await your responses and the reorganization of the article. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 22:29, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
OK, I'll do that. All the best, Chiswick Chap ( talk) 19:12, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Nataraja article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | Nataraja was nominated as a Philosophy and religion good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (January 6, 2022). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | An email has been received at
VRTS concerning some or all of the text on this page, and can be read by users with a VRTS account.
However, the message was not sufficient to confirm permission for the text. This may, among other reasons, be because there was no explicit release under a free license, or the email address that the permission came from is not associated with the location where the content was originally published. For an update on the issue, please contact the user who added this template to the page, someone else with a VRTS account, or the VRT noticeboard. If a valid permission is not provided within 30 days of the first response by a VRT volunteer, the text will be deleted. |
![]() | This article links to one or more target anchors that no longer exist.
Please help fix the broken anchors. You can remove this template after fixing the problems. |
Reporting errors |
Straightened out the spelling of Shiva as a deity, and added a bit of info of Nataraja's flowing locks.
The image and the info on the locks was was from the dreadlocks page.
Hope people can expand on my beloved Hara's page!:) Om Namah Shivayee!:) -- Snowgrouse 19:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello, can I draw attention to what is surely most represented by the encircling fire (which I think needs underlining a little more) which is the destructive state of being lost in the senses, that Shiva avoids: as long as the attention is circumscribed by the dynamic silence of the self, thought and action are necessarily perfect. When it strays to the material universe such that it loses itself in attachment to the fruits of action, rather than returning on itself before reaching the objects of the senses, error is inevitable. Circumscribed or self-referal consciousness, knowledge already being complete within us and the divine, is the bliss and freedom of dance- compared with ignorance, fear and bondage lying just beyond. Shiva remembers the self (it always being there), the perfect poise between himself and the world established, and in renouncing internally gains everything: the material world per se, or maya, is just beyond the edge of attention. There's a huge array of ways of describing this though (inc eg dance being fundamental Dionysian over delusory Apollonian rationale)...! --
Be without the three gunas, O Arjuna
17:28, 25 November 2006 (UTC)Sean McHugh
I've edited the article with slight expansions to the intro, and thus removed the context tag. I tried to point out all the possible info I could think of (consisely) at the beginning. If anyone wants to point out stuff that's still unclear, it'd be a great help.-- Snowgrouse 15:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Is chidambaram, center of universe? (not even sun is center of universe, unless we are talking about relativity). Citation needed or may be edited out, because this piece of information might be a misleading scientific fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.2.36.209 ( talk) 05:35, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
In some Images of nataraja we see mahakala at the top who seems to devour the flames, which are souls. This represents moksha or nirvana i think... At the bottow we see creatures (makara's?) who seem to spit those souls. ( N33 12:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC))
Hi, doing some research, and I happened to notice that under Nataraja#Significance, there is the exact same text that is found on this webpage. I don't have time right now to fix it, but someone should... akokskis ( talk) 17:09, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from: http://www.exoticindiaart.com/article/nataraja/. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a license compatible with GFDL. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Just a link to an image uploaded by me: [1]. -- Bhadani ( talk) 16:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I just removed this para, as it does not actually mention the importance of Nataraja in Bharatanatyam. If someone (qualified) can actually specify the importance and cite sources, please do so. I would love to learn that! Besides, what was contained in that para was mere metaphysical mumbo-jumbo, not encyclopedic and not verifiable (if there is such a thing as verifiability in mumbo-jumbo). I had added a fact tag there long back, and predictably none came. I have retained the info about the anthropomorphic depiction. Sudeepneelakantan ( talk) 21:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Shiva as the Lord of Dance LACMA edit.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on November 5, 2012. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2012-11-05. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! — howcheng { chat} 20:54, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
please add from where he was originated from..... write the places where he was worshiped...write the dance he indicates in the statue, it is bharatnatayam. it is mostly used in bharatnatyam.... also add the story behind his position he has....
Nijgoykar ( talk) 03:05, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Another picture for the gallery, once we get it uploaded to Commons. — Luis ( talk) 21:09, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
@ Sobanbabu.b: Wikipedia articles are not considered WP:RS for wikipedia. Do you have an external WP:RS for your allegation that "Nataraja is not a Sanskrit word, rather it is a Tamil word". FWIW, the Stromer source cited in the main article actually affirms it being Sanskrit. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 20:07, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
The words Nataraja is Sanskrit,and is adopted by all Indian languages as a loanword.Its derived from the root naT(to dance) [1],and raja(king) [2].The word nat here does not come from Tamil,whereas the word Rajan is rendered as Arasan [3] [4],Arasu in many languages of South India.Please do not furnish any etymologies without citing the opinions of the scholars. Nijgoykar ( talk) 03:05, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
The word Nataraja is a Sanskrit term from नट nata meaning "to dance" and राज raja meaning "lord, king". [5] It is often translated as Lord of dance or King of dance. [6] [7] According to Ananda Coomaraswamy, the name is related to Shiva's fame as the "Lord of Dancers" or "King of Actors". [8] The northern name Narteśvara, stems from Sanskrit नटnata, dance, (as in Nataraja) and ईश्वर ishvara meaning "lord". [9] The form is also known in Tamil as Adavallan meaning "Master Dancer". [10]
References
{{
cite web}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)
coomarados
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).:0
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).GA toolbox |
---|
Reviewing |
Reviewer: Chiswick Chap ( talk · contribs) 21:29, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
I'll take this one. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 21:29, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Well, to start, it is very welcome to see an article on an ancient and complex art tradition like the Dancing Shiva. Clearly the key to such an article is the disentangling of the threads of shifting tradition, alternate interpretations, and major historical influences, as well as of the uses to which the tradition has been put, both in its Asian contexts and in the West. Unfortunately, at the moment that sort of clarity of encyclopedic analysis is not what comes across from the article.
I'll put the article on hold to await your responses and the reorganization of the article. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 22:29, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
OK, I'll do that. All the best, Chiswick Chap ( talk) 19:12, 6 January 2022 (UTC)