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Naive (without the dieresis) is actually the standard spelling, while naïve (with the dieresis above the 'i') is the variant form. Below are just some of the sources that give naive as the standard and main entry:
Merriam-Webster Dictionary
[1], The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition
[2], Random House Unabridged Dictionary
[3], WordNet® 3.0
[4], Online Etymology Dictionary
[5], Encarta World English Dictionary
[6]
Here is the entry in
Garner's Modern American Usage (by
Bryan A. Garner), which is considered an authority on grammar, usage and style of the
English language: "naive; naïve; naif; naïf. The standard adjective is naive (without a diaeresis), the standard noun naif (again, no diaeresis). The others are variant forms..."
I have requested to move the article from
Naïve to
Naive.
Kman543210 (
talk) 22:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
@Kman543210 Quoting a verifiably rubbish American dictionary lends absolutely no credence to your statement that Naive is the "standard spelling". It's actually quite laughable that anyone would think so. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language ???? Hahaha, how respectable. Basically your only defence of naive being the standard spelling is that current American simplicity seems to suggest so. It's a shame that your idiocy has infiltrated the article.
I dunno about the spelling though. Many fo those sources where US english, and while yes they are correct in the US, they may be incorrect in UK/International english. I haven't checked (too lazy) but if they are correct in UK english then they are technically allowed to stay under the wikipedia rules which states that either UK or US english may be used. Maybe it shoudl be investigated and both spellings explained.
EDIT: Ok just checked the Cambridge dictionary, both are acceptable. By wikipedia rules it can stay right, btu I do think some mention of both spellings should be included. I think in Australia the correct spelling is naïve but then again many dictionaries have mixed messages about it. I was always taught to use the ï. Anyway, they probably should be both mentioned 121.223.128.48 ( talk) 03:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
It looks like naïve definitely was the standard form but has become a variant as a result of uninformed attempts to Anglicise and modernise as well as the fact that the typewriter and computer keyboards have made it cumbersome to include the diaeresis.-- N Vale ( talk) 15:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
To be naïve is to be virginal, unaffected, unselfconsciously artless ... in short: ingenuous. Naiveté is a much-maligned word, having the common assumption that it implies gullibility. Nevertheless, to be naïve means to be simple and unsophisticated.
http://actualfreedom.com.au/library/topics/naivete.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.3.114 ( talk) 04:33, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I found more direct relevance and assistance in the quote above than in the entirety of the main page. Something is wrong...
- J. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:6582:8580:C00:74E7:4341:D558:A368 ( talk) 07:52, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 22:49, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Naïve →
naive –
The OED spells this word with no diaeresis; it was the usual spelling when
Fowler wrote on it in 1926; isn't it time that we filed this word under the normal (and more accessible) spelling?
*Support move - This is the English Wikipedia, and according to the policy of WP:COMMONNAME, this article should use the spelling that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article. Dolovis ( talk) 14:12, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Naive (disambiguation)#Requested move 2 for a move discussion that affects this page. Powers T 18:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
From the move discussion:
This is a particularly important and subtle cluster of concepts, and therefore the article at naive is an important article that should be expanded. Applications to naive set theory, folk psychology (aka naive psychology), theology in the work of Paul Ricoeur following the work in philosophy of Edmund Husserl and others, all should be mentioned. Andrewa ( talk) 18:01, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:58, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Naive →
Naivety – "Naive" is an adjective; the article should properly be about the concept of naivety, not the word "naive".
Powers
T 14:45, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
"Naive" (or "naïve," for you diaeresis fans out there) can also be used in reference to drugs or classes of drugs. For example, an individual may be described as "opioid-naive" (or "opioid-naïve"). I'm not sure what the precise meaning is: (1) that the person has never taken opioids (pr whatever type of drug) or (2) that s/he does not have any tolerance to them. Does anybody out there know, and if so, may I suggest adding a section on this use of the word "naïve?" (Pretty please with sugar?) Mia229 ( talk) 08:53, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Naïvité. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 3#Naïvité until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
Tigraan
Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 10:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
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Naive (without the dieresis) is actually the standard spelling, while naïve (with the dieresis above the 'i') is the variant form. Below are just some of the sources that give naive as the standard and main entry:
Merriam-Webster Dictionary
[1], The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition
[2], Random House Unabridged Dictionary
[3], WordNet® 3.0
[4], Online Etymology Dictionary
[5], Encarta World English Dictionary
[6]
Here is the entry in
Garner's Modern American Usage (by
Bryan A. Garner), which is considered an authority on grammar, usage and style of the
English language: "naive; naïve; naif; naïf. The standard adjective is naive (without a diaeresis), the standard noun naif (again, no diaeresis). The others are variant forms..."
I have requested to move the article from
Naïve to
Naive.
Kman543210 (
talk) 22:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
@Kman543210 Quoting a verifiably rubbish American dictionary lends absolutely no credence to your statement that Naive is the "standard spelling". It's actually quite laughable that anyone would think so. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language ???? Hahaha, how respectable. Basically your only defence of naive being the standard spelling is that current American simplicity seems to suggest so. It's a shame that your idiocy has infiltrated the article.
I dunno about the spelling though. Many fo those sources where US english, and while yes they are correct in the US, they may be incorrect in UK/International english. I haven't checked (too lazy) but if they are correct in UK english then they are technically allowed to stay under the wikipedia rules which states that either UK or US english may be used. Maybe it shoudl be investigated and both spellings explained.
EDIT: Ok just checked the Cambridge dictionary, both are acceptable. By wikipedia rules it can stay right, btu I do think some mention of both spellings should be included. I think in Australia the correct spelling is naïve but then again many dictionaries have mixed messages about it. I was always taught to use the ï. Anyway, they probably should be both mentioned 121.223.128.48 ( talk) 03:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
It looks like naïve definitely was the standard form but has become a variant as a result of uninformed attempts to Anglicise and modernise as well as the fact that the typewriter and computer keyboards have made it cumbersome to include the diaeresis.-- N Vale ( talk) 15:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
To be naïve is to be virginal, unaffected, unselfconsciously artless ... in short: ingenuous. Naiveté is a much-maligned word, having the common assumption that it implies gullibility. Nevertheless, to be naïve means to be simple and unsophisticated.
http://actualfreedom.com.au/library/topics/naivete.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.3.114 ( talk) 04:33, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I found more direct relevance and assistance in the quote above than in the entirety of the main page. Something is wrong...
- J. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:6582:8580:C00:74E7:4341:D558:A368 ( talk) 07:52, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 22:49, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Naïve →
naive –
The OED spells this word with no diaeresis; it was the usual spelling when
Fowler wrote on it in 1926; isn't it time that we filed this word under the normal (and more accessible) spelling?
*Support move - This is the English Wikipedia, and according to the policy of WP:COMMONNAME, this article should use the spelling that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article. Dolovis ( talk) 14:12, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Naive (disambiguation)#Requested move 2 for a move discussion that affects this page. Powers T 18:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
From the move discussion:
This is a particularly important and subtle cluster of concepts, and therefore the article at naive is an important article that should be expanded. Applications to naive set theory, folk psychology (aka naive psychology), theology in the work of Paul Ricoeur following the work in philosophy of Edmund Husserl and others, all should be mentioned. Andrewa ( talk) 18:01, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:58, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Naive →
Naivety – "Naive" is an adjective; the article should properly be about the concept of naivety, not the word "naive".
Powers
T 14:45, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
"Naive" (or "naïve," for you diaeresis fans out there) can also be used in reference to drugs or classes of drugs. For example, an individual may be described as "opioid-naive" (or "opioid-naïve"). I'm not sure what the precise meaning is: (1) that the person has never taken opioids (pr whatever type of drug) or (2) that s/he does not have any tolerance to them. Does anybody out there know, and if so, may I suggest adding a section on this use of the word "naïve?" (Pretty please with sugar?) Mia229 ( talk) 08:53, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Naïvité. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 3#Naïvité until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
Tigraan
Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 10:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)