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I don't think that a random quote from an author's blog merits inclusion in the "Career" section of a Wikipedia article. First, it's from a primary source, when Wikipedia articles should rely on secondary or tertiary sources. Second, it's not a major part of her career - it's just a comment in a blog post. If you can find a reliable source reporting on the comment as notable, that might merit inclusion, but right now it seems like a random piece of trivia. I'm sure she's commented on good restaurants in Brooklyn and her opinion on sporting events too, but they don't fit into an article about her career. Drelusis ( talk) 23:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
In her blog, Jemisin shares her first name - Nora. I think the articles header should include her full first name, since it is known. גארפילד ( talk) 21:49, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
Conclusions based upon years of book-buying and reading are not bias, which id implied by your name-calling. It goes back to the 1950's and the decption wrought ny Alice Norton, masquerading as 'Andre.' And BTW--why else would the use of intials be so common in the publishing world? i don't think Wikipedia objects to the truth,despite the farcical Political Correctness of the media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:2080:5127:78A8:DEB9:AA3C ( talk) 20:05, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
She chooses to publish under the name "N.K." and since she is notable for writing, that is the appropriate article name. The full name (or nearest approximation—what about that "K."?) is in the first sentence, per standard WP practice. Zaslav ( talk) 23:22, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
OF course I meant WP:CRYSTAL Simonm223 ( talk) 10:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
The three guest of honor engagements shouldn't be in the career section. In fact there's little here about her career. Dgpop ( talk) 13:21, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
There needs to be citation for the name Nora on the article 72.71.210.35 ( talk) 23:45, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
A person should not be referred to as a psychologist unless he/she has earned a PhD and successfully passed the EEEP — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.173.52.27 ( talk) 17:21, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
former practicing psychologist*2
counseling psychologist and educator(about self)*6
career counselor*18
counseling psychologist*36
psychologistSchazjmd (talk) 16:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Per MOS:LEADIMAGE: "Lead images should be natural and appropriate representations of the topic; they should not only illustrate the topic specifically, but also be the type of image used for similar purposes in high-quality reference works." Therefore, replacing the article's current lead image with a low-resolution candid shot of NK Jemisin making a funny face, as proposed by Daveburstein, is not appropriate IMO. HouseOfChange ( talk) 02:31, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Daveburstein ( talk) 03:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC) Apologies. I've done a lot of editing but never before an infobox picture and didn't know that requirement. The current picture is awful. I will look for something less dramatic but still livelier. Reference works increasingly look for candid photos and I'll see what I can find. As a working journalist, I always look for something other than a boring shot. But I see the rules do not support irreverence.
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I removed reference to 'N K Jemisin' being a pen name because it's her actual name, not a pen name. I checked many other Wikipedia articles of authors known by their initials, the one only one where this is described as being a pen name is J K Rowling - which is correct in that case because the K initial is not part of her real name, but was added at the publisher's suggestion. But using your actual real initials? That's not using a pen name. I didn't feel it necessary to note that Jemisin is published under her initials, but if the detail should be added back to the article, I would suggest something along the lines as "writing as N. K. Jemisin" rather than reverting back to any reference to pen names. H. Carver ( talk) 01:10, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
The page I_Sexually_Identify_as_an_Attack_Helicopter has a quotation for Jemisin which seems a candidate for inclusion on this page, considering the current global focus on bias issues. This being a article about a living person, I don't want to start an edit war and will put it here for discussion.
The writer N. K. Jemisin wrote that she was glad about the story's removal: "Not all art is good art. Sometimes art causes harm. And granted that marginalized creators end up held to a higher standard than others, which is shit, but... that's [because] we know what that harm feels like. Artists should strive to do no (more of this) harm."[12] Jemisin later wrote that she had not read the story.[12]
135.23.43.68 ( talk) 19:14, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Update: Jemisin made a mild January 17 Twitter comment, on a controversy that on January 11 was already hotly debated,: "Plenty of trans and nb folks have expressed themselves on the matter and their viewpoints should be centered. But if anyone needs to hear it, I'm glad the story was taken down by its author." [1] She later followed up with some clarification, also on Twitter. To describe these few tweets, as a recent proposed addition to this bio does, as "Jemisin joined the public campaign against a story by Isabel Fall" vastly overstates Jemisin's role. She certainly was not coming down on the side of "policing queer writers' expressions of their experiences" and Wikipedia should not be telling people that she was. Her comments are summarized in the article I Sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter, but this incident is not (so far) relevant enough to Jemisin's biography that its complexities need expansion here, IMO. On the other hand, if random people continue to come here to accuse Jemisin of "policing queer writers," then perhaps this bio should provide an accurate picture. What do other people think? HouseOfChange ( talk) 03:58, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Opening sentence needs to include that Jemisin is "better known as N. K. Jemisin" or similar, otherwise there is no explanation as to why the article is at N. K. Jemisin but starts with "Nora Keita Jemisin... is an American science fiction and fantasy writer". This is entirely in keeping with
MOS:NICKNAME, which explicitly states: For people who are best known by a pseudonym, the legal name should usually appear first in the article, followed closely by the pseudonym.
Bastun
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15:28, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
It is not always necessary to spell out why the article title and lead paragraph give a different name. If a person has a common English-language hypocorism (diminutive or abbreviation) used in lieu of a given name, it is not presented between quotation marks or parentheses within or after their name.Her initials are clearly an abbreviation of her first names. An obvious similar article would be J. R. R. Tolkien, who also wrote under his initials; we don't spell out his "pseudonym" because it wasn't a pseudonym. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:33, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
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I don't think that a random quote from an author's blog merits inclusion in the "Career" section of a Wikipedia article. First, it's from a primary source, when Wikipedia articles should rely on secondary or tertiary sources. Second, it's not a major part of her career - it's just a comment in a blog post. If you can find a reliable source reporting on the comment as notable, that might merit inclusion, but right now it seems like a random piece of trivia. I'm sure she's commented on good restaurants in Brooklyn and her opinion on sporting events too, but they don't fit into an article about her career. Drelusis ( talk) 23:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
In her blog, Jemisin shares her first name - Nora. I think the articles header should include her full first name, since it is known. גארפילד ( talk) 21:49, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
Conclusions based upon years of book-buying and reading are not bias, which id implied by your name-calling. It goes back to the 1950's and the decption wrought ny Alice Norton, masquerading as 'Andre.' And BTW--why else would the use of intials be so common in the publishing world? i don't think Wikipedia objects to the truth,despite the farcical Political Correctness of the media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:2080:5127:78A8:DEB9:AA3C ( talk) 20:05, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
She chooses to publish under the name "N.K." and since she is notable for writing, that is the appropriate article name. The full name (or nearest approximation—what about that "K."?) is in the first sentence, per standard WP practice. Zaslav ( talk) 23:22, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
OF course I meant WP:CRYSTAL Simonm223 ( talk) 10:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
The three guest of honor engagements shouldn't be in the career section. In fact there's little here about her career. Dgpop ( talk) 13:21, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
There needs to be citation for the name Nora on the article 72.71.210.35 ( talk) 23:45, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
A person should not be referred to as a psychologist unless he/she has earned a PhD and successfully passed the EEEP — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.173.52.27 ( talk) 17:21, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
former practicing psychologist*2
counseling psychologist and educator(about self)*6
career counselor*18
counseling psychologist*36
psychologistSchazjmd (talk) 16:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Per MOS:LEADIMAGE: "Lead images should be natural and appropriate representations of the topic; they should not only illustrate the topic specifically, but also be the type of image used for similar purposes in high-quality reference works." Therefore, replacing the article's current lead image with a low-resolution candid shot of NK Jemisin making a funny face, as proposed by Daveburstein, is not appropriate IMO. HouseOfChange ( talk) 02:31, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Daveburstein ( talk) 03:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC) Apologies. I've done a lot of editing but never before an infobox picture and didn't know that requirement. The current picture is awful. I will look for something less dramatic but still livelier. Reference works increasingly look for candid photos and I'll see what I can find. As a working journalist, I always look for something other than a boring shot. But I see the rules do not support irreverence.
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
The Broken Earth Trilogy. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 17#The Broken Earth Trilogy until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
Shhhnotsoloud (
talk)
20:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
The Broken Earth trilogy. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 17#The Broken Earth trilogy until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
Shhhnotsoloud (
talk)
20:20, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I removed reference to 'N K Jemisin' being a pen name because it's her actual name, not a pen name. I checked many other Wikipedia articles of authors known by their initials, the one only one where this is described as being a pen name is J K Rowling - which is correct in that case because the K initial is not part of her real name, but was added at the publisher's suggestion. But using your actual real initials? That's not using a pen name. I didn't feel it necessary to note that Jemisin is published under her initials, but if the detail should be added back to the article, I would suggest something along the lines as "writing as N. K. Jemisin" rather than reverting back to any reference to pen names. H. Carver ( talk) 01:10, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
The page I_Sexually_Identify_as_an_Attack_Helicopter has a quotation for Jemisin which seems a candidate for inclusion on this page, considering the current global focus on bias issues. This being a article about a living person, I don't want to start an edit war and will put it here for discussion.
The writer N. K. Jemisin wrote that she was glad about the story's removal: "Not all art is good art. Sometimes art causes harm. And granted that marginalized creators end up held to a higher standard than others, which is shit, but... that's [because] we know what that harm feels like. Artists should strive to do no (more of this) harm."[12] Jemisin later wrote that she had not read the story.[12]
135.23.43.68 ( talk) 19:14, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Update: Jemisin made a mild January 17 Twitter comment, on a controversy that on January 11 was already hotly debated,: "Plenty of trans and nb folks have expressed themselves on the matter and their viewpoints should be centered. But if anyone needs to hear it, I'm glad the story was taken down by its author." [1] She later followed up with some clarification, also on Twitter. To describe these few tweets, as a recent proposed addition to this bio does, as "Jemisin joined the public campaign against a story by Isabel Fall" vastly overstates Jemisin's role. She certainly was not coming down on the side of "policing queer writers' expressions of their experiences" and Wikipedia should not be telling people that she was. Her comments are summarized in the article I Sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter, but this incident is not (so far) relevant enough to Jemisin's biography that its complexities need expansion here, IMO. On the other hand, if random people continue to come here to accuse Jemisin of "policing queer writers," then perhaps this bio should provide an accurate picture. What do other people think? HouseOfChange ( talk) 03:58, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
Opening sentence needs to include that Jemisin is "better known as N. K. Jemisin" or similar, otherwise there is no explanation as to why the article is at N. K. Jemisin but starts with "Nora Keita Jemisin... is an American science fiction and fantasy writer". This is entirely in keeping with
MOS:NICKNAME, which explicitly states: For people who are best known by a pseudonym, the legal name should usually appear first in the article, followed closely by the pseudonym.
Bastun
Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!
15:28, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
It is not always necessary to spell out why the article title and lead paragraph give a different name. If a person has a common English-language hypocorism (diminutive or abbreviation) used in lieu of a given name, it is not presented between quotation marks or parentheses within or after their name.Her initials are clearly an abbreviation of her first names. An obvious similar article would be J. R. R. Tolkien, who also wrote under his initials; we don't spell out his "pseudonym" because it wasn't a pseudonym. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:33, 27 January 2023 (UTC)