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Corrected economics, removing obsolete specializations. All those clothing, knitting and foot-wear are now made in China :((. Also deleted the following:
The city is surrounded by extremely fertile chernozem fields that facilitate good agriculture.
It definitely belongs to Mykolayivs'ka oblast', not here. Also, Novorossiya is an important concept of the Imperial Russian (and Ukrainian) history. Somebody please develop it.
Pryvit, AlexPU
The article says that April 27, 1789 is considered the city birth day, yet the celebrations are held in September. Which date is correct? Or, is there a reason for this discrepancy?— Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 15:12, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I am trying to figure out some confusing information I have read in other places. According to several articles a large radar site was built about 20 km NE of Mykolaiv in the early 1970s. Does anyone reading this live in the area and can confirm or deny this? The system may have been torn down since it was constructed, but if I am reading the history correctly it likely operated into the 1980s, at a minimum.
Maury 19:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I have found a link to the coordinates outside Mykolaiv that they say is the radar site. However the Google Maps photography of this area is low quality. Can someone who lives nearby tell me if this is the right place? 47°02′28.33″N 32°11′57.29″E / 47.0412028°N 32.1992472°E
Maury 12:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I see that translations (the meaning of the city's name) are listed for the Russian and Ulranian names of the city. Might these by pronunciations - the way the city's names would be sound in English? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Badger151 ( talk • contribs) 16:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I've been "slowly" working on expanding (and creating) articles related to shipbuilding in the area. I added links to the three major shipyards to this document. I simply put them in a see also section. I am always open to suggestions and recommendations... thanks chiefhuggybear ( talk) 21:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I think, yi in Mykolayiv more accurately reproduces sound /ji/, than i in Mykolaiv. So I suggest to change article’s name to Mykolayiv. Any objections? ~ aleksandrit ( talk) 14:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Tell us the trues, are you the owner of domain name Mykolayiv? Why make it more complicated? Mykolaiv is the best possible spelling can be for the city! -- 68.36.49.223 ( talk) 21:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Search on Google - pages from UK only:
Of course there are false positives on all of these, for example people called 'Mykolaiv' or 'Nikolayev'. Why don't you change it to Nikolaev? That is after all the normal English spelling.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 18:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Romanization of Russian says When possible, use a conventional English name instead of romanization. So why is it not possible to use 'Nikolaev' instead of 'Nikolayev'? And for that matter, why is a romanisation of the Ukrainian language name take preference over the most common English language name?-- Toddy1 ( talk) 20:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Seems like russification of Ukraine is still continuing. Mykolaiv from Ukrainian Миколаїв is the best translating could be. PERIOD!!!-- 68.36.49.223 ( talk) 03:46, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
According to Ukrainian translation from Ukraine to Latin, the proper way should be Mykolaiv http://life.pravda.com.ua/surprising/4b66e4e1d5c14/ And why make the name more complicated? Mykolaiv is just fine. The best spelling of all the spellings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.162.52.131 ( talk) 15:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
While obtaining access to a copy of the actual document would be difficult, i.e., the "legal order (writ) Number 1065 by Prince Potemkin to Mikhail Faleev, dated 27th of August, 1789"; it would seem that the article's claim that the name "Mykolaiv is known from" this order is unlikely to be correct. My sense is that the founding naming order specified "Nikolaev" (Николаев). Can someone verify from a copy of the actual document? Tachypaidia ( talk) 16:26, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
From secondary sources in English it appears clear that Potemkin named it after "St Nikolai". Moreover, the citation ( http://www.gorsovet.mk.ua/center/history.ua) made in support of the statement does not do so, but rather supports the founding as "Николаев." Not a simple correction as the paragraph is shaped around this statement. Tachypaidia ( talk) 01:12, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I have located sufficient evidence in a primary source ( https://sites.google.com/site/phoenixlibr/dokumenty/ordera-potemkina-faleevu), viz. order 14, that the the Potemkin order was Николаев. Being that the present claim in article is unsourced, this evidence, unless controverted, is sufficient to change the article. What is needed now is a fair explanation of the ascendancy of Миколаїв. Tachypaidia ( talk) 22:58, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Standard Wikipedia practice in eastern Ukrainian, where as many as half of the population speaks Russian natively, is to include the Russian variants on placenames. No citation is necessary any more than a citation is necessary for placing the Ukrainian variant in placenames where the majority of the community speaks Russian as their first language (as in the Crimea). The citation tags were nothing more than WP:POINTy editing by an anonymous editor who is pushing an anti-Russian Ukrainian POV. Citations are not necessary for these things. -- Taivo ( talk) 02:15, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Who said so that Russian variants do no require citation? I can say the same about you anti-Ukrainian Russian POV :) -- Shveik ( talk) 02:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
We have just had the page edited to include the word "officially" for one of the the English language names for the city, when in fact two of the city's English language names are used officially.
I would like to propose a change to the following:
-- Toddy1 ( talk) 20:39, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
From John Lankenau: john.lankenau@yahoo.com Skype: john.lankenau
We need the section on city government and politics filled in. Also we need the section on public health expanded to list how healthcare is provided in Mikolaev (I beleive the polyclinic system, which differs from the general medical practictioner system in the USA). It would also be interesting to add in the urban life section, how apartments/condominiums are bought and sold in Nikolaev. I heared from my new Ukrainian friend that interest rates are 30% so it would be almost impossible to get a loan to buy an apartment it seems to me. Is there still a long waiting list to obtain one's first apartment, as there was in Soviet times? Do adult children in their 20's still live with parents as was common during Soviet times?
Also if anyone knows whether Nikolaev's ship yards still build Russian navy ships, we can add that information.
john.lankenau@yahoo.com Skype: john.lankenau — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.46.3 ( talk) 06:07, 25 April 2012 (UTC) ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.46.3 ( talk) 11:58, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Percent Ukrainian, percent Russian? Sca ( talk) 16:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. The advice in WP:Romanization of Ukrainian/National transliteration table is persuasive. Even on the city council's web site the usage of the extra 'y' is not consistent. In any case WP:OFFICIAL does not require much deference to official names. Toddy1's Google results at Talk:Mykolaiv#City’s name show that in written English in the UK the extra 'y' is not universal. The proponent's statement that 'Mykolayiv' is more prominent by a wide margin is hard to credit. EdJohnston ( talk) 16:17, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Mykolaiv → Mykolayiv – User:Lvivske proposed a move on 16th March. It should be included on the requested moves page to open the discussion wider. Also, if a decision is made, then the page should be moved. Toddy1 ( talk) 08:56, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
'Mykolayiv' is the official name for the city. On Google, it gets 13.7 million results. Meanwhile, mykolaiv gets 0.3 million results. This is a huge discrepancy. If common use and official trump something, lets move this quickly.-- User:Lvivske (talk) 15:39, 16 March 2014
The city council website does indeed use that spelling in menus, and some of the time it uses "Mykolaiv" and "Nikolaev" in menus. In the text on the city council website, it mostly uses the spelling "Nikolaev", but on some pages "Mykolayiv" and "Mykolaiv". You will see also that pages of the website give equal prominence to both the Russian and Ukrainian languages. Please do not misinterpret this - this does not mean that they are any less Ukrainian that people who speak the Ukrainian language (a.k.a. little Russian).-- Toddy1 ( talk) 12:56, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
The use of Mykolaiv in this history section, certainly from before 1920, is an anachronism and makes for a curious and jarring narrative. After the 1920s emerged a period of joint use between Nikolaev and Mykolaiv. Following the dissolution of the USSR and Ukrainian independence, the name Nikolaev is being phased out. I would like to hear some discussion on how best to transition the name in the history section. Tachypaidia ( talk) 19:53, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Can't get this out of this green section. Would someone fix this for me. Tachypaidia ( talk) 19:57, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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Corrected economics, removing obsolete specializations. All those clothing, knitting and foot-wear are now made in China :((. Also deleted the following:
The city is surrounded by extremely fertile chernozem fields that facilitate good agriculture.
It definitely belongs to Mykolayivs'ka oblast', not here. Also, Novorossiya is an important concept of the Imperial Russian (and Ukrainian) history. Somebody please develop it.
Pryvit, AlexPU
The article says that April 27, 1789 is considered the city birth day, yet the celebrations are held in September. Which date is correct? Or, is there a reason for this discrepancy?— Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 15:12, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I am trying to figure out some confusing information I have read in other places. According to several articles a large radar site was built about 20 km NE of Mykolaiv in the early 1970s. Does anyone reading this live in the area and can confirm or deny this? The system may have been torn down since it was constructed, but if I am reading the history correctly it likely operated into the 1980s, at a minimum.
Maury 19:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I have found a link to the coordinates outside Mykolaiv that they say is the radar site. However the Google Maps photography of this area is low quality. Can someone who lives nearby tell me if this is the right place? 47°02′28.33″N 32°11′57.29″E / 47.0412028°N 32.1992472°E
Maury 12:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I see that translations (the meaning of the city's name) are listed for the Russian and Ulranian names of the city. Might these by pronunciations - the way the city's names would be sound in English? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Badger151 ( talk • contribs) 16:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I've been "slowly" working on expanding (and creating) articles related to shipbuilding in the area. I added links to the three major shipyards to this document. I simply put them in a see also section. I am always open to suggestions and recommendations... thanks chiefhuggybear ( talk) 21:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I think, yi in Mykolayiv more accurately reproduces sound /ji/, than i in Mykolaiv. So I suggest to change article’s name to Mykolayiv. Any objections? ~ aleksandrit ( talk) 14:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Tell us the trues, are you the owner of domain name Mykolayiv? Why make it more complicated? Mykolaiv is the best possible spelling can be for the city! -- 68.36.49.223 ( talk) 21:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Search on Google - pages from UK only:
Of course there are false positives on all of these, for example people called 'Mykolaiv' or 'Nikolayev'. Why don't you change it to Nikolaev? That is after all the normal English spelling.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 18:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Romanization of Russian says When possible, use a conventional English name instead of romanization. So why is it not possible to use 'Nikolaev' instead of 'Nikolayev'? And for that matter, why is a romanisation of the Ukrainian language name take preference over the most common English language name?-- Toddy1 ( talk) 20:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Seems like russification of Ukraine is still continuing. Mykolaiv from Ukrainian Миколаїв is the best translating could be. PERIOD!!!-- 68.36.49.223 ( talk) 03:46, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
According to Ukrainian translation from Ukraine to Latin, the proper way should be Mykolaiv http://life.pravda.com.ua/surprising/4b66e4e1d5c14/ And why make the name more complicated? Mykolaiv is just fine. The best spelling of all the spellings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.162.52.131 ( talk) 15:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
While obtaining access to a copy of the actual document would be difficult, i.e., the "legal order (writ) Number 1065 by Prince Potemkin to Mikhail Faleev, dated 27th of August, 1789"; it would seem that the article's claim that the name "Mykolaiv is known from" this order is unlikely to be correct. My sense is that the founding naming order specified "Nikolaev" (Николаев). Can someone verify from a copy of the actual document? Tachypaidia ( talk) 16:26, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
From secondary sources in English it appears clear that Potemkin named it after "St Nikolai". Moreover, the citation ( http://www.gorsovet.mk.ua/center/history.ua) made in support of the statement does not do so, but rather supports the founding as "Николаев." Not a simple correction as the paragraph is shaped around this statement. Tachypaidia ( talk) 01:12, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I have located sufficient evidence in a primary source ( https://sites.google.com/site/phoenixlibr/dokumenty/ordera-potemkina-faleevu), viz. order 14, that the the Potemkin order was Николаев. Being that the present claim in article is unsourced, this evidence, unless controverted, is sufficient to change the article. What is needed now is a fair explanation of the ascendancy of Миколаїв. Tachypaidia ( talk) 22:58, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Standard Wikipedia practice in eastern Ukrainian, where as many as half of the population speaks Russian natively, is to include the Russian variants on placenames. No citation is necessary any more than a citation is necessary for placing the Ukrainian variant in placenames where the majority of the community speaks Russian as their first language (as in the Crimea). The citation tags were nothing more than WP:POINTy editing by an anonymous editor who is pushing an anti-Russian Ukrainian POV. Citations are not necessary for these things. -- Taivo ( talk) 02:15, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Who said so that Russian variants do no require citation? I can say the same about you anti-Ukrainian Russian POV :) -- Shveik ( talk) 02:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
We have just had the page edited to include the word "officially" for one of the the English language names for the city, when in fact two of the city's English language names are used officially.
I would like to propose a change to the following:
-- Toddy1 ( talk) 20:39, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
From John Lankenau: john.lankenau@yahoo.com Skype: john.lankenau
We need the section on city government and politics filled in. Also we need the section on public health expanded to list how healthcare is provided in Mikolaev (I beleive the polyclinic system, which differs from the general medical practictioner system in the USA). It would also be interesting to add in the urban life section, how apartments/condominiums are bought and sold in Nikolaev. I heared from my new Ukrainian friend that interest rates are 30% so it would be almost impossible to get a loan to buy an apartment it seems to me. Is there still a long waiting list to obtain one's first apartment, as there was in Soviet times? Do adult children in their 20's still live with parents as was common during Soviet times?
Also if anyone knows whether Nikolaev's ship yards still build Russian navy ships, we can add that information.
john.lankenau@yahoo.com Skype: john.lankenau — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.46.3 ( talk) 06:07, 25 April 2012 (UTC) ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.46.3 ( talk) 11:58, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Percent Ukrainian, percent Russian? Sca ( talk) 16:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. The advice in WP:Romanization of Ukrainian/National transliteration table is persuasive. Even on the city council's web site the usage of the extra 'y' is not consistent. In any case WP:OFFICIAL does not require much deference to official names. Toddy1's Google results at Talk:Mykolaiv#City’s name show that in written English in the UK the extra 'y' is not universal. The proponent's statement that 'Mykolayiv' is more prominent by a wide margin is hard to credit. EdJohnston ( talk) 16:17, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Mykolaiv → Mykolayiv – User:Lvivske proposed a move on 16th March. It should be included on the requested moves page to open the discussion wider. Also, if a decision is made, then the page should be moved. Toddy1 ( talk) 08:56, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
'Mykolayiv' is the official name for the city. On Google, it gets 13.7 million results. Meanwhile, mykolaiv gets 0.3 million results. This is a huge discrepancy. If common use and official trump something, lets move this quickly.-- User:Lvivske (talk) 15:39, 16 March 2014
The city council website does indeed use that spelling in menus, and some of the time it uses "Mykolaiv" and "Nikolaev" in menus. In the text on the city council website, it mostly uses the spelling "Nikolaev", but on some pages "Mykolayiv" and "Mykolaiv". You will see also that pages of the website give equal prominence to both the Russian and Ukrainian languages. Please do not misinterpret this - this does not mean that they are any less Ukrainian that people who speak the Ukrainian language (a.k.a. little Russian).-- Toddy1 ( talk) 12:56, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
The use of Mykolaiv in this history section, certainly from before 1920, is an anachronism and makes for a curious and jarring narrative. After the 1920s emerged a period of joint use between Nikolaev and Mykolaiv. Following the dissolution of the USSR and Ukrainian independence, the name Nikolaev is being phased out. I would like to hear some discussion on how best to transition the name in the history section. Tachypaidia ( talk) 19:53, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Can't get this out of this green section. Would someone fix this for me. Tachypaidia ( talk) 19:57, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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