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Why can't we have personnel for individual songs like every other Kanye West album article does? Kjinho ( talk) 22:39, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
"Noted by music writers for its varied elements, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy incorporates musical components from West's previous works, including soul, electro, and symphonies, and features themes regarding excess and celebrity."
Kanye West has not written a symphony as it is defined as a form (see Wikipedia article for "symphony"). I believe a better phrase would be "including soul, electro, and symphonic elements..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickcasas314 ( talk • contribs) 01:00, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I've recently read several articles on the new "" The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time"" listing, and they have claimed that My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was put onto the list. However, since I don't see the ranking here, shouldn't it be added? I would add it myself but I can't seem to find what rank they placed it on. 72.225.206.221 ( talk) 23:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
http://www.tram7.se/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/kanye_west-my_beautiful_dark_twisted_fantasy.jpg
the original pic should replace the default one — Preceding unsigned comment added by Born2booze ( talk • contribs) 02:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Mike Dean may have played *some* piano on the track but the main hook was taken from Richard James ( Aphex Twin's) song called Avril 14. The liner notes themselves give credit to James. They don't say WHICH part Dean plays but it is obvious to anyone familiar with the James track which part was sampled... the main instrumental basis for the song.
From the liner notes: "11. BLAME GAME feat. John Legend (K. West, J. Franks, K. Mitchell, M. Dean, J. Stephens, R. James) (BMI/ASCAP/Copyright Control)
Produced by Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978 & DJ Frank for Side 3 Entertainment. Additional Production by Mike Dean for Dean's List Productions Recorded by Andrew Dawson at Avex Recording Studio, Honolulu, HI and Noah Goldstein, Phil Joly & Ryan Gilligan at Electric Lady Studios, NYC Mixed by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions , Andrew Dawson & Anthony Kilhoffer at Platinum Sound Recording, NYC Piano & Bass: Mike Dean for Dean's List Productions Cello played & arranged by Chris "Hitchcock” Chorney Poem by Khloe Mitchell Additional Vocals: Chris Rock and Salma Kenas
John Legend appears courtesy of Getting Out Our Dreams/Sony BMG Music Entertainment.
Contains elements of "Avri114" by Richard James. Published by Chrysalis Music Ltd. (PRS) administered by Chrysalis Songs (BMI). All rights reserved. " -- Jerk of Thrones ( talk) 00:01, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
As User:Dan56 seems unwilling to keep any criticisms of his editing style on his talk page, I thought I'd take it upon myself to repost my comments about his edits to the lead paragraphs here:
1)"...involved [them] between 2009..." is not a run on sentence by any known rule of grammar. 2) If chronology is what you're after, three of those promotional singles also preceded the album's release by at least one month. Why haven't they also been moved ahead of the bit about the album's release? And why is one type of promotional material discussed in a separate paragraph than another? Any reason? 3) "drinking and drug use"..alcohol is considered a drug...in fact, a Class A drug, say the experts (says google), so why the separation and redundancy? 4) "There, he produced the album" what does "produced" mean in the context of this hip hop article—music production, as in West produced the album himself, or some more general kind of artistic production? Is that ambiguity not important? Because it's completely unclear. 5) "transparent lyrics expressing emotional extremes, ego" there's not one source that claims the lyrics are "transparent" or that they express "emotional extremes" or "ego"—those are all terms critics have used to describe the work as whole, not qualities of West's lyrics. Are you going to do anything about these problems, or dismiss them because Your Are The Boss? GentleCollapse16 ( talk) 05:53, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
That's right, it doesn't say "run-on sentences are sentences that are long and list different things and therefore make my head feel sad." It's about punctuation, not length. Compound sentences, if punctuated correctly, are perfectly valid grammatically, and can be very helpful in listing things without having to start whole new sentences that clutter up a paragraph.run-ons, comma splices, and fused sentences are all names given to compound sentences that are not punctuated correctly. The best way to avoid such errors is to punctuate compound sentences correctly by using one or the other of these rules: 1. Join the two independent clauses with one of the coordinating conjunctions (and, but, for, or, nor, so, yet), and use a comma before the connecting word [...]
User:Dan56 Anything to respond or am I to take the silence as a reasonable concession? GentleCollapse16 ( talk) 22:45, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
I am suggesting revising the "reception" part of this article to feature a part of the rather significant and rare Pitchork 10/10 review for Best New Music. The last one was in 2002.
The review for MBDTF on pitchfork is good too. plenty to add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:C0C6:98B0:3157:88DC:556E:D59C ( talk) 17:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
User:Dan56, I chose my preferred version of the sentence because, as I said in the edit summary, an album's ranking on Acclaimed Music does not depend simply on where it places on "all-time" lists. Other ratings and scores (e.g. the album's Metascore, placements on other lists, other ratings on certain websites or in publications) are factored in. One who goes to the page for My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy on Acclaimed Music will find quickly that many of the items which contribute to the album's numerical score are not rankings on all-time lists. That is why your preferred version is inaccurate, and why it is better to write that "according to Acclaimed Music, [it] is the 73rd most acclaimed album among music critics". This would not be puffery, because the sentence specifically says that the album is x or y "according to Acclaimed Music", which it is. Regarding the claims of your hostile edit summary, I wrote "celebrated" because I wanted to avoid using the word "acclaimed" twice. When something is celebrated, it doesn't mean parties have to have been thrown in honor of it. "Celebrated" is a synonym of "renowned" or "acclaimed". Please do not use profanity in edit summaries. Thanks, AndrewOne ( talk) 16:13, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
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Dan56 I share Tjdrum2000's view that putting the release year in the first sentence between "the" and (number) studio album" is poor practice. The wording is grammatically awkward, and that's the likely reason no featured articles: [3] use this wording. The ongoing reversions by various different editors shows that this view is widely held. I have attempted to satisfy your desire to include the year in the lead sentence, but you reverted this, calling the grammar terrible and noting that the information was already in the third paragraph. The fact that the information is already in the third paragraph is well-noted, as it is a reason your inclusion of the year in the lead sentence is not only awkward, but superfluous. As a note, the wording I used was based on Thriller (Michael Jackson album), a featured article. Many other featured articles use the same wording. How would you feel about removing "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was released on November 22, 2010, by Roc-A-Fella Records." from the third paragraph and amending it to the lead sentence, so the lead sentence reads "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is the fifth studio album by American hip hop rapper and producer Kanye West, released on November 22, 2010 by Roc-A-Fella Records."? Cjhard ( talk) 04:42, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
TJdrum2000 is a blocked user, and his only attempt at making your preferred change was reverted by Ss112 on May 15th; and they have since been blocked. There have not been on-going reversions by multiple editors since then. This is simply you, Cjhard, speaking for a change here. Don't give the misleading impression that it's anything otherwise. Dan56 ( talk) 16:28, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Should the lead sentence read: "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is the 2010 fifth studio album by American hip hop rapper and producer Kanye West."? Cjhard ( talk) 16:55, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Isento and I have reached a disagreement about whether or not the section with the chart listings written out should be titled sales or commercial performance. I had changed it back to the latter after the user initially changed it, but my edit was reverted by them and I don't want to edit war so decided to take this to the talk page. The user claims that due to sales being mentioned throughout the section, it should be titled as such; however, not all of the chart listings are attributed to sales which means that titling the section as commercial performance is more appropriate. Let's see what other users say. -- Kyle Peake ( talk) 10:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Seems like it's important to the article, but I may be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XaotikHP ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi so theres a little issue on this page where if u set the language to french the album cover doesnt show up i tried to fix it but it doesnt work 2A01:E0A:3BD:A8E0:6082:C6DF:53DC:226A ( talk) 16:25, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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Why can't we have personnel for individual songs like every other Kanye West album article does? Kjinho ( talk) 22:39, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
"Noted by music writers for its varied elements, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy incorporates musical components from West's previous works, including soul, electro, and symphonies, and features themes regarding excess and celebrity."
Kanye West has not written a symphony as it is defined as a form (see Wikipedia article for "symphony"). I believe a better phrase would be "including soul, electro, and symphonic elements..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickcasas314 ( talk • contribs) 01:00, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I've recently read several articles on the new "" The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time"" listing, and they have claimed that My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was put onto the list. However, since I don't see the ranking here, shouldn't it be added? I would add it myself but I can't seem to find what rank they placed it on. 72.225.206.221 ( talk) 23:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
http://www.tram7.se/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/kanye_west-my_beautiful_dark_twisted_fantasy.jpg
the original pic should replace the default one — Preceding unsigned comment added by Born2booze ( talk • contribs) 02:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Mike Dean may have played *some* piano on the track but the main hook was taken from Richard James ( Aphex Twin's) song called Avril 14. The liner notes themselves give credit to James. They don't say WHICH part Dean plays but it is obvious to anyone familiar with the James track which part was sampled... the main instrumental basis for the song.
From the liner notes: "11. BLAME GAME feat. John Legend (K. West, J. Franks, K. Mitchell, M. Dean, J. Stephens, R. James) (BMI/ASCAP/Copyright Control)
Produced by Kanye West for Very Good Beats/Hip Hop since 1978 & DJ Frank for Side 3 Entertainment. Additional Production by Mike Dean for Dean's List Productions Recorded by Andrew Dawson at Avex Recording Studio, Honolulu, HI and Noah Goldstein, Phil Joly & Ryan Gilligan at Electric Lady Studios, NYC Mixed by Mike Dean for Dean’s List Productions , Andrew Dawson & Anthony Kilhoffer at Platinum Sound Recording, NYC Piano & Bass: Mike Dean for Dean's List Productions Cello played & arranged by Chris "Hitchcock” Chorney Poem by Khloe Mitchell Additional Vocals: Chris Rock and Salma Kenas
John Legend appears courtesy of Getting Out Our Dreams/Sony BMG Music Entertainment.
Contains elements of "Avri114" by Richard James. Published by Chrysalis Music Ltd. (PRS) administered by Chrysalis Songs (BMI). All rights reserved. " -- Jerk of Thrones ( talk) 00:01, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
As User:Dan56 seems unwilling to keep any criticisms of his editing style on his talk page, I thought I'd take it upon myself to repost my comments about his edits to the lead paragraphs here:
1)"...involved [them] between 2009..." is not a run on sentence by any known rule of grammar. 2) If chronology is what you're after, three of those promotional singles also preceded the album's release by at least one month. Why haven't they also been moved ahead of the bit about the album's release? And why is one type of promotional material discussed in a separate paragraph than another? Any reason? 3) "drinking and drug use"..alcohol is considered a drug...in fact, a Class A drug, say the experts (says google), so why the separation and redundancy? 4) "There, he produced the album" what does "produced" mean in the context of this hip hop article—music production, as in West produced the album himself, or some more general kind of artistic production? Is that ambiguity not important? Because it's completely unclear. 5) "transparent lyrics expressing emotional extremes, ego" there's not one source that claims the lyrics are "transparent" or that they express "emotional extremes" or "ego"—those are all terms critics have used to describe the work as whole, not qualities of West's lyrics. Are you going to do anything about these problems, or dismiss them because Your Are The Boss? GentleCollapse16 ( talk) 05:53, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
That's right, it doesn't say "run-on sentences are sentences that are long and list different things and therefore make my head feel sad." It's about punctuation, not length. Compound sentences, if punctuated correctly, are perfectly valid grammatically, and can be very helpful in listing things without having to start whole new sentences that clutter up a paragraph.run-ons, comma splices, and fused sentences are all names given to compound sentences that are not punctuated correctly. The best way to avoid such errors is to punctuate compound sentences correctly by using one or the other of these rules: 1. Join the two independent clauses with one of the coordinating conjunctions (and, but, for, or, nor, so, yet), and use a comma before the connecting word [...]
User:Dan56 Anything to respond or am I to take the silence as a reasonable concession? GentleCollapse16 ( talk) 22:45, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
I am suggesting revising the "reception" part of this article to feature a part of the rather significant and rare Pitchork 10/10 review for Best New Music. The last one was in 2002.
The review for MBDTF on pitchfork is good too. plenty to add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:C0C6:98B0:3157:88DC:556E:D59C ( talk) 17:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
User:Dan56, I chose my preferred version of the sentence because, as I said in the edit summary, an album's ranking on Acclaimed Music does not depend simply on where it places on "all-time" lists. Other ratings and scores (e.g. the album's Metascore, placements on other lists, other ratings on certain websites or in publications) are factored in. One who goes to the page for My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy on Acclaimed Music will find quickly that many of the items which contribute to the album's numerical score are not rankings on all-time lists. That is why your preferred version is inaccurate, and why it is better to write that "according to Acclaimed Music, [it] is the 73rd most acclaimed album among music critics". This would not be puffery, because the sentence specifically says that the album is x or y "according to Acclaimed Music", which it is. Regarding the claims of your hostile edit summary, I wrote "celebrated" because I wanted to avoid using the word "acclaimed" twice. When something is celebrated, it doesn't mean parties have to have been thrown in honor of it. "Celebrated" is a synonym of "renowned" or "acclaimed". Please do not use profanity in edit summaries. Thanks, AndrewOne ( talk) 16:13, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
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Dan56 I share Tjdrum2000's view that putting the release year in the first sentence between "the" and (number) studio album" is poor practice. The wording is grammatically awkward, and that's the likely reason no featured articles: [3] use this wording. The ongoing reversions by various different editors shows that this view is widely held. I have attempted to satisfy your desire to include the year in the lead sentence, but you reverted this, calling the grammar terrible and noting that the information was already in the third paragraph. The fact that the information is already in the third paragraph is well-noted, as it is a reason your inclusion of the year in the lead sentence is not only awkward, but superfluous. As a note, the wording I used was based on Thriller (Michael Jackson album), a featured article. Many other featured articles use the same wording. How would you feel about removing "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was released on November 22, 2010, by Roc-A-Fella Records." from the third paragraph and amending it to the lead sentence, so the lead sentence reads "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is the fifth studio album by American hip hop rapper and producer Kanye West, released on November 22, 2010 by Roc-A-Fella Records."? Cjhard ( talk) 04:42, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
TJdrum2000 is a blocked user, and his only attempt at making your preferred change was reverted by Ss112 on May 15th; and they have since been blocked. There have not been on-going reversions by multiple editors since then. This is simply you, Cjhard, speaking for a change here. Don't give the misleading impression that it's anything otherwise. Dan56 ( talk) 16:28, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Should the lead sentence read: "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is the 2010 fifth studio album by American hip hop rapper and producer Kanye West."? Cjhard ( talk) 16:55, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Seems like it's important to the article, but I may be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XaotikHP ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi so theres a little issue on this page where if u set the language to french the album cover doesnt show up i tried to fix it but it doesnt work 2A01:E0A:3BD:A8E0:6082:C6DF:53DC:226A ( talk) 16:25, 4 May 2024 (UTC)