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One thing that is wrong and clearly made me have doubts when i first read it was the mentioning that the children of Israel are Jews.Obviously historically and according to the holy Quran the Children of Israel were tribes that submitted to god's will and became Muslims. Id like to support my point by showing this verse from the holy Quran
the word submitter means Muslims and in the original Arabic Quran the word Muslims appears besides the end of the verse
Now when it comes to history we all know Israelites like Assryians and Babylonians are an ancient tribe and Muslim Tradition holds that they are a tribe that not longer have roots and have all departed than no one knows who are they anymore
Another thing is that clearly when Jesus Christ was born many Israelites believed in him and become Jewish Christians or in other word Christians
This is Muslim page and i think the Islamic View of Israelites and the Promised land SHOULD be kept as well as the meaning and interpretation of those verses mentioned so people can understand the Islamic views
Thank you
Source: The Holy Quran http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/002.qmt.html
Chapter 002.Verse 132
And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam
Chapter 002. Verse 133
Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: "What will ye worship after me?" They said: "We shall worship Thy god and the god of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma'il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah: To Him do we Bow(in Islam)." –§–
This sounds like an original research, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. You should cite a verifiable and reliable secondary source.
Marokwitz (
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14:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
not allowed why? now your not going to allow me put Quranic Verses in an ISLAMIC PAGE! we dont have no source we only have one source called the Quran and it speaks for yourself.. If you act STUPID ITS UP TO YOU SIR NOT ME .. AND IF YOU TRANSLATE VERSES IN THE WRONG WAY THATS ALSO UP TO YOU NOT ME! I have the most valuable source...
WHERE IS YOUR SOURCE THAT PROVES YOUR POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????? id like to see that please
82.194.62.20 ( talk) 18:54, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
To those concerned with this article: This is not an Islamic page or article, but a Wikipedia page that concerns a topic about Islam. Ayahs from the Qur'an are certainly welcome as well as various and cited translations. What is not welcome is un-cited interpretations of these verses - which may be considered original research. If you are an Islamic jurist who has done scholarly work on these issues, please post your expert opinion with references to your work. If not, reference the scholarly works, tawfik, and erudite historical works of those who are experts.
Now, I am interested in learning more about this topic. Until today, I had no idea that Muslim support for Zionism existed - and I'd like to learn more. It's clearly a touchy subject, and contributions should, needless to say, be considered, thoughtful,and supported with academic citations.-- Taajikhan ( talk) 01:29, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Thank you in advance not to quote any more Sir EL HATTAB, because of repeated threats, he does not intervene any more on the question israël / Palestine. Today he dedicates itself exclusively to the international finance. Thank you for respecting his choice.
Thank you in advance not to quote any more Sir EL HATTAB, because of repeated threats, he does not intervene any more on the question israël / Palestine. Today he dedicates itself exclusively to the international finance. Thank you for respecting his choice. 86.205.82.200 ( talk) 22:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Sir El hattab asks you to remove the reference concerning him because no authorization was asked so that he appears on your page Muslim Zionism. Moreover, Mr El hattab is not Zionist but just a Muslim hoping that the peace can one day exist between Israelis and Palestinians. He does not intervene any more on this conflict for several years because he considers that the question is too much complicated. Today, he worries only questions having for subject the international finance. In advance, thank you for respecting his choice and erasing the link concerning him, before any pursuit or judicial approach. 81.249.62.125 ( talk) 10:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
This is a laughably POV article which gives extremely undue weight to fringe theories while entirely lacking in any reliable secondary or academic sources to justify it. In fact it is a synthesis of various Original research in order to advance a nakedly POV position by people who want to utilize Wikipedia as their own Soapbox. Quite funnily it includes Nonie Darwishs's site Arabs for Israel as a reference and a source for this supposed phenomena "Muslim Zionism" even though she is a self proclaimed Ex-Muslim and Evangelical Christian. Without any reliable secondary sources this whole article should be deleted. Tec15 ( talk) 13:45, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
there appears to be a bit of overeagerness with the tagging. some of the tags are redundant. for example, WP:SYNTH is a sub-policy of WP:OR. Thus, there is little benefit in having both an OR and a SYNTH tag on one article. It is due to situations like this that Wikipedia policy requires that those tagging articles explain clearly the basis for the tags on the talk page. -- brew crewer (yada, yada) 12:40, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
This article does not distinguish between Muslims who believe Jews should be able to live peacefully in the land of their ancestors, and Muslims who support the actions of the modern Israeli state with regard to the non-Jewish populations of that area. In addition, many of the sources cited by the article are not of the quality necessary for use with a controversial topic such as this.
Rather than a thoughtful, encyclopedic treatment of the underlying premise, which bears consideration by all peoples of good will, the article becomes instead a political spin-piece unable to withstand scrutiny.
Aquib ( talk) 15:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
See The Druze in the Middle East: Their Faith, Leadership, Identity and Status, By Dana, Nissim. For instance, p 126. [1]
This article needs to use neutral, verifiable sources. Sources such as Israpundit.com will not stand up. Aquib ( talk) 14:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
The reliability of Shmuel Katz as a source is discussed in detail at Talk:Shmuel Katz (politician) and need not be repeated here. Suffice it to say: no relevant qualifications, spent most of his life as a professional propagandist, first for the Irgun, later for Likud. His book Battleground is replete with nonsense like a map with "Jewish National Home" splashed across Jordan, and anyone who picks it up will see it is a just a cheap polemic with massive distortions. Besides that, he doesn't even say that Hussein wrote the words quoted here. He says there was a newspaper article "written or inspired" by Hussein. What does that mean? The article doesn't say who wrote it? So how do we know? Zero talk 12:20, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
As a suggestion to those who have the time to do further research, might be advisable to include a section concerning the legality of pro-Israel activism or lobbying in Muslim-majority countries, and also any imprisonment as a result of such views. Laval ( talk) 16:52, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
It seems to me that Mohammed Bin Salman in this quote is not supporting israel but rather the two state solution. Maybe you can find a better quote or delete that. -- FH24 ( talk) 11:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)FH
This article really is a laughable (Tec). It takes POV to the next level for whole Israel-Arab-Muslim issue on Wikipedia. It is extremely biased and gives undue weight to fringe theories, mainly supposed "Muslim Zionism" phenomenon, referenced with extremely biased sources, whose sole purpose is to advance this fringe theory of Muslims support for Israel and/or Arab support for Israel, without reliable secondary, tertiary or academic sources. This article gives us insight to various lobbies and advocacy groups (original) researches, collected in one place, this "article", to advance a some (and always the same) editors POV.
As one of us already noticed how "there is no article called Jewish Anti-Zionism", that entire topic is "subsumed into the general Anti-Zionism article" despite the fact that is "vastly more documented phenomenon" than mythical "Muslim Zionism", that existence of a few self proclaimed "Muslim Zionists" "does not constitute a real political or religious movement" at least "not one equivalent to Christian Zionism", etc.
It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic, but we have article almost 10 screens long on this completely irrelevant phenomenon, a fringe theory, yet we don't have an article about Jewish Israeli and international anti-Zionism activism and opposition to Zionist ideology and daily politics in Israel !?
This whole article should be moved or merged with similar existing articles, under one new article dealing with alleged Muslim and Arab support for Israel. Let's make it right for once.-- Santasa99 ( talk) 17:57, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
More then simply laughable is section at the bottom under the title Opposition towards Muslim supporters of Israel - it contradict itself because all that you can read is not opposition but yet more support !?!?! Really, is some of you really believe that we are all fools !?
It impossible to write on "opposition" simply because there are NON, and there are NO opposition because there are no relevant nor valid support ! All you can find is mentioning of the contemporary so-called supporters on various American NGO's lists, like Southern Poverty Law Center, informing people on the issue of political and ideological manipulations and manipulators, hate speech and Islamophobia.-- Santasa99 ( talk) 18:35, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
This article has been deceiving the world, what is not, in the Qur'an (Surah Al-Isra) did not mention that the land of Palestine will be promised by God to the Jews. I do not like to lie this article! which makes this article a con!
Irvanputrautama (
talk)
15:12, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
There is no mention of Palestine in the Koran, only the Holy Land, which we know to be the land around Jerusalem from the river to the sea, Israel. Allah gave the Holy Land (Israel) to the Jews. This is in the Medina verses and so cannot be abrogated by earlier Meccah verses. Islamic scholars confirm this view. Those who deny this are as King Fiesel said in 1919, uneducated!
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Querendotraduzir a página para pt:Sionismo islâmico fique a vontade. att 2804:14C:5BB3:A319:4435:D3A4:8AA1:6E08 ( talk) 13:56, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Negev bedouins (Bedouins of the south) and Galilee Bedouins (Of the north) are not the same. Galilee bedouins supported the establishment of israel, the negev bedouins did not play any significant role in that fight. Galilee bedouins tend to identify as israelis while negev bedouins identify more with palestine and arab identity. Someone needs to correct this blatantly misinformative article. 170.223.207.18 ( talk) 14:53, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman should also be included in the lead, as he voiced his support for a Jewish homeland of Israel in 2018, the first time that a senior Saudi royal has expressed such sentiments publicly. These links can be added:
[3] Hero7373 ( talk) 15:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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The primary for California's 30th congressional district has not yet been held and is very much contested, so she is not the party's nominee for the district, but instead a candidate (also due to the jungle primary system, candidates never really become the nominee of any political party in California). Atriskofmistake ( talk) 03:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
The Druze do not follow the Five Pillars of Islam, they do not consider themselves to be Muslim, and they are often considered to be heretics by mainstream Muslim. They are not classified as Muslims in Israel. Why should we lump them in with Muslims? Mooonswimmer 14:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
Ahmed Sagaff is a Tanzanian Shia Muslim write. He has been supporting Israel in various social media. Ahmed Sagaff (2024) Supporter of Israel. AkhbariMuslims ( talk) 18:40, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
This article clearly referenced that the Quran mentioned the land was promised to the Jewish people however this is NOT true, the aya of surat alisra was talking about the children of Jacob AKA “Israel”, not the children of Jacob eventually left Palestine and migrated to Egypt because their brother Jacob became an advisor to the pharaoh and they only returned to Palestine about 500 later not to mention the Quran clearly says that god was extremely angry with them because they started to warships a bulls head when Moses left them with his brother for 40 days. This article is full of half true and fabricated true, it is not even worth finish reading and I hope Wikipedia bring it down because it’s misleading. Daferalmousawi ( talk) 12:47, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
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One thing that is wrong and clearly made me have doubts when i first read it was the mentioning that the children of Israel are Jews.Obviously historically and according to the holy Quran the Children of Israel were tribes that submitted to god's will and became Muslims. Id like to support my point by showing this verse from the holy Quran
the word submitter means Muslims and in the original Arabic Quran the word Muslims appears besides the end of the verse
Now when it comes to history we all know Israelites like Assryians and Babylonians are an ancient tribe and Muslim Tradition holds that they are a tribe that not longer have roots and have all departed than no one knows who are they anymore
Another thing is that clearly when Jesus Christ was born many Israelites believed in him and become Jewish Christians or in other word Christians
This is Muslim page and i think the Islamic View of Israelites and the Promised land SHOULD be kept as well as the meaning and interpretation of those verses mentioned so people can understand the Islamic views
Thank you
Source: The Holy Quran http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/002.qmt.html
Chapter 002.Verse 132
And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam
Chapter 002. Verse 133
Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: "What will ye worship after me?" They said: "We shall worship Thy god and the god of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma'il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah: To Him do we Bow(in Islam)." –§–
This sounds like an original research, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. You should cite a verifiable and reliable secondary source.
Marokwitz (
talk)
14:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
not allowed why? now your not going to allow me put Quranic Verses in an ISLAMIC PAGE! we dont have no source we only have one source called the Quran and it speaks for yourself.. If you act STUPID ITS UP TO YOU SIR NOT ME .. AND IF YOU TRANSLATE VERSES IN THE WRONG WAY THATS ALSO UP TO YOU NOT ME! I have the most valuable source...
WHERE IS YOUR SOURCE THAT PROVES YOUR POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????? id like to see that please
82.194.62.20 ( talk) 18:54, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
To those concerned with this article: This is not an Islamic page or article, but a Wikipedia page that concerns a topic about Islam. Ayahs from the Qur'an are certainly welcome as well as various and cited translations. What is not welcome is un-cited interpretations of these verses - which may be considered original research. If you are an Islamic jurist who has done scholarly work on these issues, please post your expert opinion with references to your work. If not, reference the scholarly works, tawfik, and erudite historical works of those who are experts.
Now, I am interested in learning more about this topic. Until today, I had no idea that Muslim support for Zionism existed - and I'd like to learn more. It's clearly a touchy subject, and contributions should, needless to say, be considered, thoughtful,and supported with academic citations.-- Taajikhan ( talk) 01:29, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Thank you in advance not to quote any more Sir EL HATTAB, because of repeated threats, he does not intervene any more on the question israël / Palestine. Today he dedicates itself exclusively to the international finance. Thank you for respecting his choice.
Thank you in advance not to quote any more Sir EL HATTAB, because of repeated threats, he does not intervene any more on the question israël / Palestine. Today he dedicates itself exclusively to the international finance. Thank you for respecting his choice. 86.205.82.200 ( talk) 22:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Sir El hattab asks you to remove the reference concerning him because no authorization was asked so that he appears on your page Muslim Zionism. Moreover, Mr El hattab is not Zionist but just a Muslim hoping that the peace can one day exist between Israelis and Palestinians. He does not intervene any more on this conflict for several years because he considers that the question is too much complicated. Today, he worries only questions having for subject the international finance. In advance, thank you for respecting his choice and erasing the link concerning him, before any pursuit or judicial approach. 81.249.62.125 ( talk) 10:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
This is a laughably POV article which gives extremely undue weight to fringe theories while entirely lacking in any reliable secondary or academic sources to justify it. In fact it is a synthesis of various Original research in order to advance a nakedly POV position by people who want to utilize Wikipedia as their own Soapbox. Quite funnily it includes Nonie Darwishs's site Arabs for Israel as a reference and a source for this supposed phenomena "Muslim Zionism" even though she is a self proclaimed Ex-Muslim and Evangelical Christian. Without any reliable secondary sources this whole article should be deleted. Tec15 ( talk) 13:45, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
there appears to be a bit of overeagerness with the tagging. some of the tags are redundant. for example, WP:SYNTH is a sub-policy of WP:OR. Thus, there is little benefit in having both an OR and a SYNTH tag on one article. It is due to situations like this that Wikipedia policy requires that those tagging articles explain clearly the basis for the tags on the talk page. -- brew crewer (yada, yada) 12:40, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
This article does not distinguish between Muslims who believe Jews should be able to live peacefully in the land of their ancestors, and Muslims who support the actions of the modern Israeli state with regard to the non-Jewish populations of that area. In addition, many of the sources cited by the article are not of the quality necessary for use with a controversial topic such as this.
Rather than a thoughtful, encyclopedic treatment of the underlying premise, which bears consideration by all peoples of good will, the article becomes instead a political spin-piece unable to withstand scrutiny.
Aquib ( talk) 15:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
See The Druze in the Middle East: Their Faith, Leadership, Identity and Status, By Dana, Nissim. For instance, p 126. [1]
This article needs to use neutral, verifiable sources. Sources such as Israpundit.com will not stand up. Aquib ( talk) 14:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
The reliability of Shmuel Katz as a source is discussed in detail at Talk:Shmuel Katz (politician) and need not be repeated here. Suffice it to say: no relevant qualifications, spent most of his life as a professional propagandist, first for the Irgun, later for Likud. His book Battleground is replete with nonsense like a map with "Jewish National Home" splashed across Jordan, and anyone who picks it up will see it is a just a cheap polemic with massive distortions. Besides that, he doesn't even say that Hussein wrote the words quoted here. He says there was a newspaper article "written or inspired" by Hussein. What does that mean? The article doesn't say who wrote it? So how do we know? Zero talk 12:20, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
As a suggestion to those who have the time to do further research, might be advisable to include a section concerning the legality of pro-Israel activism or lobbying in Muslim-majority countries, and also any imprisonment as a result of such views. Laval ( talk) 16:52, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
It seems to me that Mohammed Bin Salman in this quote is not supporting israel but rather the two state solution. Maybe you can find a better quote or delete that. -- FH24 ( talk) 11:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)FH
This article really is a laughable (Tec). It takes POV to the next level for whole Israel-Arab-Muslim issue on Wikipedia. It is extremely biased and gives undue weight to fringe theories, mainly supposed "Muslim Zionism" phenomenon, referenced with extremely biased sources, whose sole purpose is to advance this fringe theory of Muslims support for Israel and/or Arab support for Israel, without reliable secondary, tertiary or academic sources. This article gives us insight to various lobbies and advocacy groups (original) researches, collected in one place, this "article", to advance a some (and always the same) editors POV.
As one of us already noticed how "there is no article called Jewish Anti-Zionism", that entire topic is "subsumed into the general Anti-Zionism article" despite the fact that is "vastly more documented phenomenon" than mythical "Muslim Zionism", that existence of a few self proclaimed "Muslim Zionists" "does not constitute a real political or religious movement" at least "not one equivalent to Christian Zionism", etc.
It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic, but we have article almost 10 screens long on this completely irrelevant phenomenon, a fringe theory, yet we don't have an article about Jewish Israeli and international anti-Zionism activism and opposition to Zionist ideology and daily politics in Israel !?
This whole article should be moved or merged with similar existing articles, under one new article dealing with alleged Muslim and Arab support for Israel. Let's make it right for once.-- Santasa99 ( talk) 17:57, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
More then simply laughable is section at the bottom under the title Opposition towards Muslim supporters of Israel - it contradict itself because all that you can read is not opposition but yet more support !?!?! Really, is some of you really believe that we are all fools !?
It impossible to write on "opposition" simply because there are NON, and there are NO opposition because there are no relevant nor valid support ! All you can find is mentioning of the contemporary so-called supporters on various American NGO's lists, like Southern Poverty Law Center, informing people on the issue of political and ideological manipulations and manipulators, hate speech and Islamophobia.-- Santasa99 ( talk) 18:35, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
This article has been deceiving the world, what is not, in the Qur'an (Surah Al-Isra) did not mention that the land of Palestine will be promised by God to the Jews. I do not like to lie this article! which makes this article a con!
Irvanputrautama (
talk)
15:12, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
There is no mention of Palestine in the Koran, only the Holy Land, which we know to be the land around Jerusalem from the river to the sea, Israel. Allah gave the Holy Land (Israel) to the Jews. This is in the Medina verses and so cannot be abrogated by earlier Meccah verses. Islamic scholars confirm this view. Those who deny this are as King Fiesel said in 1919, uneducated!
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Querendotraduzir a página para pt:Sionismo islâmico fique a vontade. att 2804:14C:5BB3:A319:4435:D3A4:8AA1:6E08 ( talk) 13:56, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Negev bedouins (Bedouins of the south) and Galilee Bedouins (Of the north) are not the same. Galilee bedouins supported the establishment of israel, the negev bedouins did not play any significant role in that fight. Galilee bedouins tend to identify as israelis while negev bedouins identify more with palestine and arab identity. Someone needs to correct this blatantly misinformative article. 170.223.207.18 ( talk) 14:53, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman should also be included in the lead, as he voiced his support for a Jewish homeland of Israel in 2018, the first time that a senior Saudi royal has expressed such sentiments publicly. These links can be added:
[3] Hero7373 ( talk) 15:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
References
The primary for California's 30th congressional district has not yet been held and is very much contested, so she is not the party's nominee for the district, but instead a candidate (also due to the jungle primary system, candidates never really become the nominee of any political party in California). Atriskofmistake ( talk) 03:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
The Druze do not follow the Five Pillars of Islam, they do not consider themselves to be Muslim, and they are often considered to be heretics by mainstream Muslim. They are not classified as Muslims in Israel. Why should we lump them in with Muslims? Mooonswimmer 14:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
Ahmed Sagaff is a Tanzanian Shia Muslim write. He has been supporting Israel in various social media. Ahmed Sagaff (2024) Supporter of Israel. AkhbariMuslims ( talk) 18:40, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
This article clearly referenced that the Quran mentioned the land was promised to the Jewish people however this is NOT true, the aya of surat alisra was talking about the children of Jacob AKA “Israel”, not the children of Jacob eventually left Palestine and migrated to Egypt because their brother Jacob became an advisor to the pharaoh and they only returned to Palestine about 500 later not to mention the Quran clearly says that god was extremely angry with them because they started to warships a bulls head when Moses left them with his brother for 40 days. This article is full of half true and fabricated true, it is not even worth finish reading and I hope Wikipedia bring it down because it’s misleading. Daferalmousawi ( talk) 12:47, 29 February 2024 (UTC)