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Shouldn't this be called Music hall? There was a popular TV miniseries in Quebec called "Music Hall" that should be here, however. -- stewacide 21:56 7 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I wonder if the anonymous editor didn't mean to add the link as iooiooyuyuSongwriters. (See MIDI timecode.) Irritated. Branden 09:20 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I am researching at the moment into Music Hall and the first world war. Indeed music hall artists, likemost sections of society (political parties, suffragette groups etc) enthusiastically worked at recruiting for the army. But I have nowhere found the suggestion that the Music Hall lost popularity after the war because of this - does anybody have a reference for this idea ?
I think it was more the radio and the gramophone which killed the golden age of music hall, as well as, a little later, the talking movie.
Could someone explain the differences if any between Vaudeville, Variety, and Music Hall? If any? My own knowledge is extremely sketchy....
But I have taken the liberty of adding "see also" links from Vaudeville to Music Hall and vice versa, and a link from Variety to both... Dpbsmith 13:35, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The royal patents granted at the Restoration were/are absolutely not known as "the Killigrew and Davenant patent", I've never even heard the phrase. I'm fixing up the Restoration bit a little altogether.--[[User:Bishonen| Bish (Bosh)]] 18:46, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think I succeeded in rescuing this from Votes for Deletion but I'm not a music hall expert and additions to the article would be welcome. By the way, what are Harry Champion's dates? I thought I could find them online in seconds, but I wasn't able to. [[User:Dpbsmith| Dpbsmith (talk)]] 19:37, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Hi. I have added a paragraph on "Existent Music Halls in London". I hope this meets with your approval, and some survives the rigorous editing process. I think I've identified what remains, but there may well be more (they often have small frontages on the street, but large halls on the cheaper land behind). There are a lot of cinemas on Leicester Sq, which started their lives as Music Halls, but the original architecture and purpose are lost behind modern facades and interiors. I hesitated over quoting the "Black Variety Nights" programme, this is what it is called by the local community (and they are very popular). I hope it will not cause offence in places where different modes of political correctness hold sway. Where possible information has been abstracted from each organisation's own website.
Just wondering why there are no references for this entry? Or a guide to further reading? Maybe this could be rectified? Colin4C 16:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I have never heard of Tin Pan Alley receiving the name from people actually pounding on pans; and such a statement is not backed by the Tin Pan Alley entry which states: The name "Tin Pan Alley" was originally derogatory, a reference to the sound made by many pianos all playing different tunes in this small urban area, producing a cacophony comparable to banging on tin pans.
I would suggest that the statement in this article be revised. 207.69.137.6 03:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)lasalle202
"a form of British theatrical entertainment" it says, but Folies Bergère says it's a Music Hall, so one of both is wrong -- euyyn 22:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The article, as stands provides a wide coverage of the subject. There are a few references at the moment, but any article could always do with more! Please feel free to add them. Please feel free to improve the article yourself, or make suggestions here. Thank you. Kbthompson 19:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
This is a very good article, but large sections don't have any explicit citing, which puts it just at the borderline. If this was fixed, it would be a clear pass, but for now - On hold.
I suspect any reviewer will pass it once that's fixed, but to speed things up, contact me on my talk page. Adam Cuerden talk 11:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to be honest here: I trust you. If you think the references that have been added since my review are sufficient that anyone checking them could find all or most of the information, and all of the surprising facts, I'm happy to promote to GA. Adam Cuerden talk 09:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
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I think this article would benefit from a paragraph or two on the influence of music hall on the Beatles (especially Paul McCartney), Peter Noone, and others. Some of McCartney's songs would be indistinguishable from music hall if they had traditional instrumentation. Incidentally, Paul McCartney's father Jim McCartney led a music hall band, called Jim Mac's Jazz Band.
Would somebody like to try to write this section? -Larry Siegel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.244.228 ( talk) 00:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I inserted my McCartney comment under "Cultural Influences." 70.18.198.249 ( talk) 06:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Larry Siegel
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do so now
Should Abraham Thomas Ball (father of former British Prime Minister John Major be included in the list of Music Hall performers? I don't know how well-known or popular he was other than via his connection to his son.
Peteinterpol ( talk) 11:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
The titles of individual numbers (songs) should be quotated. The titles of entire shows/programmes should be italicized. As other editors have done tremendous amounts of work on this article and I have not, I would like for them to like to be the ones to do so or at least assent to this, but it needs to be done nonetheless. 75.216.136.125 ( talk) 18:23, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
The article name is "Music hall", but the first section is all over the map. "Music Hall", "music hall", and even "Music hall" (mid sentence). I'm just trying to improve a link to here from elsewhere. Huw Powell ( talk) 00:28, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Please stop adding rogue information to this article. All information needs to be sourced. -- Cassianto Talk 17:59, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi - I came here to look up information on provincial music halls, and I was very surprised to find that nearly all of the article concerns London and its suburbs. I was familiar with Balmbra's Music Hall which began in 1848 and which was immortalised in the Geordie anthem Blaydon Races; despite this having its own Wikipedia article, there is no mention of it or any other provincial music halls in the history section. Is there someone knowledgeable who could rectify this? Thanks! Walkerma ( talk) 04:31, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
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The dating of the origins of music hall, with respect to the stylistic origins listed in the infobox, is very problematic. This article's body (unproblematically, I think) suggests that music hall traces it origins to 1830s British pubs and lounge (saloon) bars, becoming popular in the 1850s. Yet that would preclude the possibility that musical hall has origins in the considerably *later* genres of variety show and vaudeville (according to the dating used by those very articles). On top of this, vaudeville is portrayed as being of French origin, subsequently spreading to the US, and variety show with origins in both music hall and vaudeville. Altogether quite contradictory, as I read it. AW Regueiro ( talk) 21:09, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Music hall was one of the Media and drama good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | |||||||||||||
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Shouldn't this be called Music hall? There was a popular TV miniseries in Quebec called "Music Hall" that should be here, however. -- stewacide 21:56 7 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I wonder if the anonymous editor didn't mean to add the link as iooiooyuyuSongwriters. (See MIDI timecode.) Irritated. Branden 09:20 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I am researching at the moment into Music Hall and the first world war. Indeed music hall artists, likemost sections of society (political parties, suffragette groups etc) enthusiastically worked at recruiting for the army. But I have nowhere found the suggestion that the Music Hall lost popularity after the war because of this - does anybody have a reference for this idea ?
I think it was more the radio and the gramophone which killed the golden age of music hall, as well as, a little later, the talking movie.
Could someone explain the differences if any between Vaudeville, Variety, and Music Hall? If any? My own knowledge is extremely sketchy....
But I have taken the liberty of adding "see also" links from Vaudeville to Music Hall and vice versa, and a link from Variety to both... Dpbsmith 13:35, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The royal patents granted at the Restoration were/are absolutely not known as "the Killigrew and Davenant patent", I've never even heard the phrase. I'm fixing up the Restoration bit a little altogether.--[[User:Bishonen| Bish (Bosh)]] 18:46, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think I succeeded in rescuing this from Votes for Deletion but I'm not a music hall expert and additions to the article would be welcome. By the way, what are Harry Champion's dates? I thought I could find them online in seconds, but I wasn't able to. [[User:Dpbsmith| Dpbsmith (talk)]] 19:37, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Hi. I have added a paragraph on "Existent Music Halls in London". I hope this meets with your approval, and some survives the rigorous editing process. I think I've identified what remains, but there may well be more (they often have small frontages on the street, but large halls on the cheaper land behind). There are a lot of cinemas on Leicester Sq, which started their lives as Music Halls, but the original architecture and purpose are lost behind modern facades and interiors. I hesitated over quoting the "Black Variety Nights" programme, this is what it is called by the local community (and they are very popular). I hope it will not cause offence in places where different modes of political correctness hold sway. Where possible information has been abstracted from each organisation's own website.
Just wondering why there are no references for this entry? Or a guide to further reading? Maybe this could be rectified? Colin4C 16:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I have never heard of Tin Pan Alley receiving the name from people actually pounding on pans; and such a statement is not backed by the Tin Pan Alley entry which states: The name "Tin Pan Alley" was originally derogatory, a reference to the sound made by many pianos all playing different tunes in this small urban area, producing a cacophony comparable to banging on tin pans.
I would suggest that the statement in this article be revised. 207.69.137.6 03:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)lasalle202
"a form of British theatrical entertainment" it says, but Folies Bergère says it's a Music Hall, so one of both is wrong -- euyyn 22:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The article, as stands provides a wide coverage of the subject. There are a few references at the moment, but any article could always do with more! Please feel free to add them. Please feel free to improve the article yourself, or make suggestions here. Thank you. Kbthompson 19:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
This is a very good article, but large sections don't have any explicit citing, which puts it just at the borderline. If this was fixed, it would be a clear pass, but for now - On hold.
I suspect any reviewer will pass it once that's fixed, but to speed things up, contact me on my talk page. Adam Cuerden talk 11:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to be honest here: I trust you. If you think the references that have been added since my review are sufficient that anyone checking them could find all or most of the information, and all of the surprising facts, I'm happy to promote to GA. Adam Cuerden talk 09:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 04:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I think this article would benefit from a paragraph or two on the influence of music hall on the Beatles (especially Paul McCartney), Peter Noone, and others. Some of McCartney's songs would be indistinguishable from music hall if they had traditional instrumentation. Incidentally, Paul McCartney's father Jim McCartney led a music hall band, called Jim Mac's Jazz Band.
Would somebody like to try to write this section? -Larry Siegel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.244.228 ( talk) 00:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I inserted my McCartney comment under "Cultural Influences." 70.18.198.249 ( talk) 06:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Larry Siegel
The artist who created this painting died in 1942. As a result, his work will not enter public domain until 2112. Paintings and other works of visual art may be used for critical commentary, including images illustrative of a particular technique or school. It may not be used for general illustrative purposes. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
do so now
Should Abraham Thomas Ball (father of former British Prime Minister John Major be included in the list of Music Hall performers? I don't know how well-known or popular he was other than via his connection to his son.
Peteinterpol ( talk) 11:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
The titles of individual numbers (songs) should be quotated. The titles of entire shows/programmes should be italicized. As other editors have done tremendous amounts of work on this article and I have not, I would like for them to like to be the ones to do so or at least assent to this, but it needs to be done nonetheless. 75.216.136.125 ( talk) 18:23, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
The article name is "Music hall", but the first section is all over the map. "Music Hall", "music hall", and even "Music hall" (mid sentence). I'm just trying to improve a link to here from elsewhere. Huw Powell ( talk) 00:28, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Please stop adding rogue information to this article. All information needs to be sourced. -- Cassianto Talk 17:59, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi - I came here to look up information on provincial music halls, and I was very surprised to find that nearly all of the article concerns London and its suburbs. I was familiar with Balmbra's Music Hall which began in 1848 and which was immortalised in the Geordie anthem Blaydon Races; despite this having its own Wikipedia article, there is no mention of it or any other provincial music halls in the history section. Is there someone knowledgeable who could rectify this? Thanks! Walkerma ( talk) 04:31, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Anyone interested in Pantomime may wish to comment on the open threads at the Talk page. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 07:44, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
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Reaching out to those with experience with editing, approving articles relating to Music Hall artists and history for the following draft: /info/en/?search=Draft:Sanford_and_Lyons
Thankyou so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victoriana2022 ( talk • contribs) 03:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
The dating of the origins of music hall, with respect to the stylistic origins listed in the infobox, is very problematic. This article's body (unproblematically, I think) suggests that music hall traces it origins to 1830s British pubs and lounge (saloon) bars, becoming popular in the 1850s. Yet that would preclude the possibility that musical hall has origins in the considerably *later* genres of variety show and vaudeville (according to the dating used by those very articles). On top of this, vaudeville is portrayed as being of French origin, subsequently spreading to the US, and variety show with origins in both music hall and vaudeville. Altogether quite contradictory, as I read it. AW Regueiro ( talk) 21:09, 3 June 2022 (UTC)