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I wonder whether the recent article move was premature. WP:COMMONNAME guidelines suggest that we use the most common name for a subject, and I am not aware of the "new" sponsor name coming into common parlance. Yet. I wonder even whether many locals or rugby supporters will even be aware of the projected name. Apart from the Irish Independent themselves (who are doing so for obvious reasons - and even then inconsistently), other media outlets use the existing common name. Even the IRFU and tenant clubs have yet to change. I would also note that (for example with City of Manchester Stadium or Barnet Copthall), the "sponsor name" for many grounds isn't automatically used - largely for COMMONNAME and transience reasons. I'm not "anti" the new name (or indeed the change), I might just ask if there are other opinions w.r.t project principles on naming... Guliolopez ( talk) 20:21, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
An editor recently moved this article - citing precedent for Aviva Staduim, Etihad Stadium, etc. On the first example, I would note that the Aviva was in effect an entirely new stadium (and existed as an article in its own right well in advance of opening). The second example is a rather bizarre one to select, given that the article on the City of Manchester Stadium specifically DOESN'T USE the sponsorship name - and so does not support the argument for a move. (If anything it is a strong argument against). In general the convention and guideline on the project is to use the COMMONNAME of the subject. As per the previous notes above, there is still very little evidence that "Irish Independence Park" yet represents the name in common use. In fact, I would point out that in a slew of recent news articles in recent days, very few outlets use the sponsorship name - and instead use the common name: Irish Examiner, Limerick Leader, Irish Times, Evening Echo, etc. The only outlet consistently using the sponsorship name is the Irish Independent themselves - and that's hardly surprising. Would love to have a discussion here about it - to confirm evidence-based consensus for a move. Cheers Guliolopez ( talk) 16:49, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
For common name, see Munster official website section on the stadium: http://www.munsterrugby.ie/club/irishindependentpark.php See Pro12 official website listing Irish Independent Park as name of stadium used for Munster fixtures: http://www.pro12rugby.com/matchcentre/fixtures_list.php#wgfmtD2dx0grL8Q0.97 See Munster listing ground name as venue for fixtures on official website: http://www.munsterrugby.ie/rugby/results_and_fixtures.php See media reports on fixtures at the location: http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/winning-start-for-munster-as-stander-saves-sloppy-display-31505342.html http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/pro12/2015/0214/680268-munster-v-cardiff/ http://www.irishrugby.ie/guinnesspro12/34597.php http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/rugby/munster-need-stander-double-to-edge-past-treviso-694463.html LeinsterLad ( talk) 22:58, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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I wonder whether the recent article move was premature. WP:COMMONNAME guidelines suggest that we use the most common name for a subject, and I am not aware of the "new" sponsor name coming into common parlance. Yet. I wonder even whether many locals or rugby supporters will even be aware of the projected name. Apart from the Irish Independent themselves (who are doing so for obvious reasons - and even then inconsistently), other media outlets use the existing common name. Even the IRFU and tenant clubs have yet to change. I would also note that (for example with City of Manchester Stadium or Barnet Copthall), the "sponsor name" for many grounds isn't automatically used - largely for COMMONNAME and transience reasons. I'm not "anti" the new name (or indeed the change), I might just ask if there are other opinions w.r.t project principles on naming... Guliolopez ( talk) 20:21, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
An editor recently moved this article - citing precedent for Aviva Staduim, Etihad Stadium, etc. On the first example, I would note that the Aviva was in effect an entirely new stadium (and existed as an article in its own right well in advance of opening). The second example is a rather bizarre one to select, given that the article on the City of Manchester Stadium specifically DOESN'T USE the sponsorship name - and so does not support the argument for a move. (If anything it is a strong argument against). In general the convention and guideline on the project is to use the COMMONNAME of the subject. As per the previous notes above, there is still very little evidence that "Irish Independence Park" yet represents the name in common use. In fact, I would point out that in a slew of recent news articles in recent days, very few outlets use the sponsorship name - and instead use the common name: Irish Examiner, Limerick Leader, Irish Times, Evening Echo, etc. The only outlet consistently using the sponsorship name is the Irish Independent themselves - and that's hardly surprising. Would love to have a discussion here about it - to confirm evidence-based consensus for a move. Cheers Guliolopez ( talk) 16:49, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
For common name, see Munster official website section on the stadium: http://www.munsterrugby.ie/club/irishindependentpark.php See Pro12 official website listing Irish Independent Park as name of stadium used for Munster fixtures: http://www.pro12rugby.com/matchcentre/fixtures_list.php#wgfmtD2dx0grL8Q0.97 See Munster listing ground name as venue for fixtures on official website: http://www.munsterrugby.ie/rugby/results_and_fixtures.php See media reports on fixtures at the location: http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/winning-start-for-munster-as-stander-saves-sloppy-display-31505342.html http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/pro12/2015/0214/680268-munster-v-cardiff/ http://www.irishrugby.ie/guinnesspro12/34597.php http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/rugby/munster-need-stander-double-to-edge-past-treviso-694463.html LeinsterLad ( talk) 22:58, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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