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help)I've added a citation to the HBO web site for the documentary that is cited as the one source for identifying King as transgender.
The film's synopsis includes this: Larry "had become increasingly open about exploring his gender identity, and had recently started wearing makeup and heeled boots to school." And later: the film "reveals polarized and potentially dangerous attitudes toward tolerance and gender expression in the United States. Even Larry’s teachers span the spectrum of perspectives on how to manage a student exploring gender identity."
An interview with the filmmakers includes no suggestion of transgender and refers to King consistently with male pronouns: http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/valentine-road#/documentaries/valentine-road/interview/marta-cunnigham-eddie-schmidt-and-sasha-alpert.html
The discussion guide that accompanies the film opens with: "Valentine Road tells the troubling story of the 2008 murder of a 15-year-old transgender student..." The first 2 questions posed to student viewers are about trans issues.
When taken all together, I'm uncertain whether this young person's exploration of gender identity merits identification as transgender. But without a doubt the issue of gender identity needs to be addressed. What we have now is just
We could start with precision: high heels or heeled boots? The first says transgender, the latter says exploration....maybe.
I'd like to see the documentary before saying more. Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 21:12, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
It appears that there are several contributors concerned about the victim's name/pronouns used. It does appear from some sources King was transgender and used the name "Leticia." As I've observed with other trans victims, their preferred names have been used, such as Leelah Alcorn. I've reverted the changes for now until we can reach a consensus, but I do agree that if King was trans, the preferred name should be used.
Hope we can reach a decision.-- GouramiWatcher Talk 16:05, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
This is extremely important, and it should be changed out of respect to the trans community and to the victim. MickRide808 ( talk) 19:59, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Why were my edits reversed? The article should correctly name and gender the subject who was clearly transgender. It's disrespectful to the dead not to do so. MickRide808 ( talk) 19:52, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Larry called his mom from Casa Pacifica to tell her that he wanted to get a sex-change operation. And he told a teacher that he wanted to be called Leticia, since no one at school knew he was half African-American. The teacher said firmly, "Larry, I'm not calling you Leticia." He dropped the idea without an argument.
What's up with the significant number of times that there are sources listed as failing verification? From a quick look as well, most of them seem to apply to the same source(s) being reused over and over again, and in sections that specifically look to criticise King's conduct or otherwise defend his murderer. I feel like this is something that should be sorted promptly, so as not to spread misinformation/speculation or otherwise verify what actually happened to the best of our knowledge. TheShinji69 ( talk) 02:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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help)I've added a citation to the HBO web site for the documentary that is cited as the one source for identifying King as transgender.
The film's synopsis includes this: Larry "had become increasingly open about exploring his gender identity, and had recently started wearing makeup and heeled boots to school." And later: the film "reveals polarized and potentially dangerous attitudes toward tolerance and gender expression in the United States. Even Larry’s teachers span the spectrum of perspectives on how to manage a student exploring gender identity."
An interview with the filmmakers includes no suggestion of transgender and refers to King consistently with male pronouns: http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/valentine-road#/documentaries/valentine-road/interview/marta-cunnigham-eddie-schmidt-and-sasha-alpert.html
The discussion guide that accompanies the film opens with: "Valentine Road tells the troubling story of the 2008 murder of a 15-year-old transgender student..." The first 2 questions posed to student viewers are about trans issues.
When taken all together, I'm uncertain whether this young person's exploration of gender identity merits identification as transgender. But without a doubt the issue of gender identity needs to be addressed. What we have now is just
We could start with precision: high heels or heeled boots? The first says transgender, the latter says exploration....maybe.
I'd like to see the documentary before saying more. Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 21:12, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
It appears that there are several contributors concerned about the victim's name/pronouns used. It does appear from some sources King was transgender and used the name "Leticia." As I've observed with other trans victims, their preferred names have been used, such as Leelah Alcorn. I've reverted the changes for now until we can reach a consensus, but I do agree that if King was trans, the preferred name should be used.
Hope we can reach a decision.-- GouramiWatcher Talk 16:05, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
This is extremely important, and it should be changed out of respect to the trans community and to the victim. MickRide808 ( talk) 19:59, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Why were my edits reversed? The article should correctly name and gender the subject who was clearly transgender. It's disrespectful to the dead not to do so. MickRide808 ( talk) 19:52, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Larry called his mom from Casa Pacifica to tell her that he wanted to get a sex-change operation. And he told a teacher that he wanted to be called Leticia, since no one at school knew he was half African-American. The teacher said firmly, "Larry, I'm not calling you Leticia." He dropped the idea without an argument.
What's up with the significant number of times that there are sources listed as failing verification? From a quick look as well, most of them seem to apply to the same source(s) being reused over and over again, and in sections that specifically look to criticise King's conduct or otherwise defend his murderer. I feel like this is something that should be sorted promptly, so as not to spread misinformation/speculation or otherwise verify what actually happened to the best of our knowledge. TheShinji69 ( talk) 02:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)