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It is unclear that it was a beheading, so as highlighted by
Venkat TL
here, I think we should stick to calling it murder.
WP:RS have called it beheading
[1]
Webberbrad007 (
talk)
19:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
The post mortem of Kanhaiya Lal revealed that he died due to excessive loss of blood. He was attacked 26 times with a sharp weapon, and stabbed eight to 10 times in the neck. [2]
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The source [1] doesn't establish anything because no beheading is described. It is probably an outdated wording in the title, but the article doesn't use it. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 14:55, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
BBC
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).https://www.punekarnews.in/udaipur-kanhaiya-lals-post-mortem-report-reveals-26-attacks-and-13-cuts/
This is clearly a case of beheading, since they did not succeed it must be described as attempted beheading. FofS&E ( talk) 06:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Why is there Hinduphobia in the infobox? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 01:01, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be there? He was beheaded because either he or one of his children posted on social media in support of Nupur Sharma. After an FIR, he had got a bail after an apology from his side. Murdering him before waiting for legal court case proceedings against him for merely supporting Nupur Sharma, a Hindu, recieving death & rape threats for stating facts mentioned in Islamic texts is Hinduphobia or Hindumisia. FofS&E ( talk) 05:54, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
@Doug. Okay thanks,. FofS&E ( talk) 09:35, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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One of the accused individuals is referred to as both Mohammed Riyaz Attari and Mohammed Riyaz Akhtar in the article. Likewise with the other individual, described as Mohammed Gosh, Mohammed Ghous and Ghouse Mohammad throughout the page.
Looking through the names used by media articles, there seems to be a number of different spellings. Is there a standard form of spelling for these kinds of titles we can use? Dunutubble ( talk) ( Contributions) 16:11, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
@ DockMajestic the infobox already says terror charges, even though a NIA chargesheet has not yet been filed. what we have are accusations of terror. It is too early to conclusively call this Terrorism. The investigation report should say that before it can be added. Venkat TL ( talk) 21:20, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
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Infobox field Attack type currently mentions Murder.
@ NebulaOblongata is edit warring to change it to " Murder by attempted beheading"
I believe this needs discussion and consensus. Since the beheading did not occur, it would not be appropriate to mention it in infobox. The word Murder accurately covers the type. Venkat TL ( talk) 21:41, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
::::You've made this type of argument on multiple talks, and once again I repeat - the existence of a source is not an argument for inclusion. Blocked sock
On the quote about Modi, it is entirely irrelevant to the subject of the article, which to remind is "Murder of Lal". On Raje quote, once again, it is very clear that the murder is only tangential to the political point she is making; if you find a quote by her which is directly about and is limited to the topic, feel free to add it (keeping in mind
WP:GOSSIP etc).
Hemantha (
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05:11, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
I think its clear that it's not simply murder it's beheading because the itself showing that they two beheaded not murdererd and NYT is not relevant here because it's not Indian Newspaper Het666 ( talk) 06:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::::(ec) The whole article fails BLPCRIME. It there wasn't a video, this would already have been at AfD. But specifically, speculating about mode of attack using
WP:NOTNEWS sources like you propose to do, fails BLPCRIME.
Hemantha (
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10:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock
https://www.punekarnews.in/udaipur-kanhaiya-lals-post-mortem-report-reveals-26-attacks-and-13-cuts/
The proposed change to infobox seems to be appropriate. Both murderers were motivated & inspired by their religion & hateful slogans such as "Gustakh e rasul ki ek hi saja, Sar Tan se Juda - Sar Tan se Juda." Literal translation:- The only punishment for blasphemy against prophet is decapitation/severing of head from body. There is example of similar incidents in India as well as various other countries where the attack is described as Islamic or Islamist terrorism.
FofS&E ( talk) 06:32, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Is their any terrod link with this murder ?? What media is showing on it ?? Het666 ( talk) 07:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Sources from NYT or BBC should not be used because they don't reflect proper case . Indian news blogs should be used like ABP News, Aaj Tak,News 18, NDTV etc like Het666 ( talk) 11:22, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
See: Special:Diff/1096311648/1096314102
This discussion is about the Perpetrators section of this page as well as 2022_Muhammad_remarks_controversy#Udaipur.
I know what Rahul Kanwal has speculated and reliable sources have noted that no evidence has been forwarded to support the theory of infiltration. These speculations fail WP:BLP and may change at a later time after court screening. We should not add it. Venkat TL ( talk) 13:57, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
The ongoing investigations .... are indicative that Riyaz Attari, was trying to get close to BJP leaders and workers such as those affiliated to Muslim Rashtriya Manch, including Irshad Chainwala, a member of BJP Minority Morcha and Tahir Raza Khan, a BJP worker with a view to target them. It has also been revealed that he had carried out recce of BJP establishments and functionaries of the party for this purpose.Also:
During the interrogation, the accused revealed that they were self-radicalised and followers of Karachi-based Dawat-e-Islami leader Illyas Attar Qadri. If the murderer has not said anything about this matter, it cannot be estalished that the information obtained is innaccurate. Kpddg (talk) 14:55, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
The conspiracy theories of Rohit Kanwal cannot be added into the wikipedia article about a living person. Please dont edit war over this, see Dispute resolution. Venkat TL ( talk) 17:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
::It's being repeated left and right that India Today is a reliable source. Where has this been established?
Hemantha (
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18:01, 3 July 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock
Why can't these clear threats be mentioned in the lead, and why can't they have a quotebox? No guideline is against it, and above discussions are unclear. This is relevant to the article and can be sufficiently sourced. It is not just something which 'exists' in a source, but has direct relevance. Kpddg (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
The assailants also threatened Prime Minister Narendra Modi in the video.to the lead section. And later in the article:
In what seems to be a second video (taken after the attack), they boasted about the murder to avenge the insult to islam and also issued threatened India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi that their 'knife would reach him as well'.Kpddg (talk) 13:35, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
“Listen, Narendra Modi, you have lit the fire, but we will douse it,” he said, as the men brandished their daggers. “I pray to god that this dagger will reach your neck one day, too.”. Kpddg (talk) 13:22, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
"In the video released by the perpetrators, they threatened India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi with murder."Venkat TL ( talk) 13:31, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
@
Kpddg, The exact lines you proposed may not be adequately supported. However, from the source, we can add The assailants later recorded another video, where one issued a warning, saying “Listen, Narendra Modi, you have lit the fire, but we will douse it. I pray to god that this dagger will reach your neck one day, too”, while the two men brandished daggers
. Or, this could be included in a quotebox.
Captain Jack Sparrow (
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16:49, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm creating a separate section for each issue to facillitate clear discusion. There are reactions of some organisations, but not of prominent opposition members and other such people. See this diff. Stones were pelted, silent protest was staged, etc. has been removed. Kpddg (talk) 15:44, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
If we are going to have a "see also" section, it needs to be clear why articles are linked to. See
MOS:SEEALSO, which says Editors should provide a brief annotation when a link's relevance is not immediately apparent
. The reason for including the links to
Kamlesh Tiwari, the
Murder of Samuel Paty and the
Murder of Lee Rigby is because of how and why they were murdered. This needs to be clear.--
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@ El C: Kindly revert this misleading revert by Venkat TL per consensus on this section as well as this BLPN thread. Captain Jack Sparrow ( talk) 03:05, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
I am reformatting this request for others to understand more easily as follow.
3rd paragraph on Murder of Kanhaiya Lal#Perpetrators is:-
On 1 July 2022, pictures of Mohammad Riyaz Attari emerged which showed him attending BJP events. In a 2020 post on facebook, Attari was described by a local Bharatiya Janata Party and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh leader as a "dedicated worker of the BJP". [1] [2]
Change it back to:
On 1 July 2022, it was reported that Attari may have been planning to infiltrate the BJP through its loyalists, after photos of Attari attending BJP functions surfaced. In a 2020 post on Facebook, Attari had been described by a local Bharatiya Janata Party and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh leader as a "dedicated worker of the BJP". [3] [1] [4] [5]
It was unilaterally modified
here but the consensus is against it per section above,
[4] and also
WP:BLPN thread.
[5]
Captain Jack Sparrow (
talk) 10:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
:I do not know why you repeat so stridently that there is consensus. There is absolutely not. Your version has severe NPOV problems as well as BLP issues. Consensus is generated by discussing, not by repeatedly reopening edit requests.
Hemantha (
talk)
12:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock
Not done The comments by User:El_C are correct. I do not see a blatant BLP violation, so will wait for consensus to emerge from other editors. — Martin (
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talk)
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Add the following to "Perpetrators" section:
During interrogations, the assailants described themselves as " self-radicalized" and followers of Dawat-e-Islami; both of them had affixed "Attari" to their names to indicate their affiliation to Dawat-e-Islami and its leader Muhammad Ilyas Attar Qadri. [1] [2] 49.37.247.133 ( talk) 07:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
References
: Blocked sock
Not done: per
WP:SUSPECT.
Hemantha (
talk)
12:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Um, the police claim they have said so. Unless some court upholds it, it is just an allegation and hence
WP:SUSPECT is applicable. Note that edit requests are to be used only after consensus has been formed. Please don't unnecessarily reopen it.
Hemantha (
talk)
18:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock
Edit requests for fully protected pages must be handled by an administrator."
Administrators can respond only to requests that are either uncontroversial improvements (correcting typos, grammar, or reference formatting; improving the reliability or efficiency of template code) or are already supported by a consensus of editors, usually on the protected page's talk page." This contentious request is against consensus. If you want an admin to decline this for you be my guest. Venkat TL ( talk) 18:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Also involved editors should not be answering an edit request, especially on on a fully protected page that was protected because of edit-warring. That's called common sense. Now I would suggest all editors stop using edit requests and get consensus outside the edit requests before harassing admins with them and arguing within the request thread. Slywriter ( talk) 19:36, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please add this to the, "Perpetrators " section:
Investigation agencies suspect a wider involvement of terror groups in the killing of Kanhaiya Lal.
[1]
Mossad3 (
talk) 10:36, 7 July 2022 (UTC
References
कुमार, अवधेश (7 July 2022). "कन्हैयालाल के हत्यारे का भाजपा से संबंध वाली वीडियो रिपोर्ट दैनिक भास्कर ने क्यों डिलीट की? (Why Dainik Bhaskar deleted the video report of Kanhaiyalal's killer having links with BJP?)". Newslaundry. Venkat TL ( talk) 12:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Should the Perpetrators section of the article include the line: "On 1 July 2022, it was reported that Attari may have been planning to infiltrate the BJP through its loyalists."-- Venkat TL ( talk) 09:04, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Source: Ojha, Arvind; Hizbullah, Md (1 July 2022). "Udaipur assailants may have plotted to infiltrate Rajasthan BJP Exclusive". India Today.
See: Special:Diff/1096311648/1096314102
Prior discussion thread : Speculations of Rahul Kanwal
(News)... by India Today with a headline claiming that the Udaipur duo “may have plotted to infiltrate Rajasthan BJP”. However, that claim of attempted “infiltration” – which is not sourced to any BJP leader or security official – appears to be the TV channel’s own spin and is belied by the BJP functionaries’ own Facebook posts describing Attari as a party worker. Ordinarily, evidence of such connections with killers ends up damaging the reputation of the politician and party involved. But a whole day after the India Today story, there seems to be little evidence of any media appetite for a follow up.- "As Photos Emerge of Udaipur Killer's Links to BJP Leaders, Party Moves to Damage Control Mode". The Wire. 2 July 2022.
Which means that all article edits can be reverted, unanswered talk page posts also. Others can be struck through. Doug Weller talk 07:28, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
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Delete this paragraph from the "Perpetrators" section:
References
This paragraph is an egregious violation of WP:SOCIALMEDIA as it clearly "involves claims about third parties" viz. Bharatiya Janata Party, and there is "reasonable doubt as to its authenticity" since the claims come from a Facebook post whose authenticity has not been vetted by law/judiciary. Without further explanation or context, this paragraph also gives WP:UNDUE weight to an unverified claim, deliberately creates WP:FALSEBALANCE and amplifies political mudslinging in WP:WIKIVOICE. 49.37.247.133 ( talk) 21:04, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
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It is unclear that it was a beheading, so as highlighted by
Venkat TL
here, I think we should stick to calling it murder.
WP:RS have called it beheading
[1]
Webberbrad007 (
talk)
19:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
The post mortem of Kanhaiya Lal revealed that he died due to excessive loss of blood. He was attacked 26 times with a sharp weapon, and stabbed eight to 10 times in the neck. [2]
References
The source [1] doesn't establish anything because no beheading is described. It is probably an outdated wording in the title, but the article doesn't use it. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 14:55, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
BBC
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).https://www.punekarnews.in/udaipur-kanhaiya-lals-post-mortem-report-reveals-26-attacks-and-13-cuts/
This is clearly a case of beheading, since they did not succeed it must be described as attempted beheading. FofS&E ( talk) 06:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Why is there Hinduphobia in the infobox? -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 01:01, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be there? He was beheaded because either he or one of his children posted on social media in support of Nupur Sharma. After an FIR, he had got a bail after an apology from his side. Murdering him before waiting for legal court case proceedings against him for merely supporting Nupur Sharma, a Hindu, recieving death & rape threats for stating facts mentioned in Islamic texts is Hinduphobia or Hindumisia. FofS&E ( talk) 05:54, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
@Doug. Okay thanks,. FofS&E ( talk) 09:35, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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One of the accused individuals is referred to as both Mohammed Riyaz Attari and Mohammed Riyaz Akhtar in the article. Likewise with the other individual, described as Mohammed Gosh, Mohammed Ghous and Ghouse Mohammad throughout the page.
Looking through the names used by media articles, there seems to be a number of different spellings. Is there a standard form of spelling for these kinds of titles we can use? Dunutubble ( talk) ( Contributions) 16:11, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
@ DockMajestic the infobox already says terror charges, even though a NIA chargesheet has not yet been filed. what we have are accusations of terror. It is too early to conclusively call this Terrorism. The investigation report should say that before it can be added. Venkat TL ( talk) 21:20, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
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Infobox field Attack type currently mentions Murder.
@ NebulaOblongata is edit warring to change it to " Murder by attempted beheading"
I believe this needs discussion and consensus. Since the beheading did not occur, it would not be appropriate to mention it in infobox. The word Murder accurately covers the type. Venkat TL ( talk) 21:41, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
::::You've made this type of argument on multiple talks, and once again I repeat - the existence of a source is not an argument for inclusion. Blocked sock
On the quote about Modi, it is entirely irrelevant to the subject of the article, which to remind is "Murder of Lal". On Raje quote, once again, it is very clear that the murder is only tangential to the political point she is making; if you find a quote by her which is directly about and is limited to the topic, feel free to add it (keeping in mind
WP:GOSSIP etc).
Hemantha (
talk)
05:11, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
I think its clear that it's not simply murder it's beheading because the itself showing that they two beheaded not murdererd and NYT is not relevant here because it's not Indian Newspaper Het666 ( talk) 06:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::::(ec) The whole article fails BLPCRIME. It there wasn't a video, this would already have been at AfD. But specifically, speculating about mode of attack using
WP:NOTNEWS sources like you propose to do, fails BLPCRIME.
Hemantha (
talk)
10:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock
https://www.punekarnews.in/udaipur-kanhaiya-lals-post-mortem-report-reveals-26-attacks-and-13-cuts/
The proposed change to infobox seems to be appropriate. Both murderers were motivated & inspired by their religion & hateful slogans such as "Gustakh e rasul ki ek hi saja, Sar Tan se Juda - Sar Tan se Juda." Literal translation:- The only punishment for blasphemy against prophet is decapitation/severing of head from body. There is example of similar incidents in India as well as various other countries where the attack is described as Islamic or Islamist terrorism.
FofS&E ( talk) 06:32, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Is their any terrod link with this murder ?? What media is showing on it ?? Het666 ( talk) 07:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Sources from NYT or BBC should not be used because they don't reflect proper case . Indian news blogs should be used like ABP News, Aaj Tak,News 18, NDTV etc like Het666 ( talk) 11:22, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
See: Special:Diff/1096311648/1096314102
This discussion is about the Perpetrators section of this page as well as 2022_Muhammad_remarks_controversy#Udaipur.
I know what Rahul Kanwal has speculated and reliable sources have noted that no evidence has been forwarded to support the theory of infiltration. These speculations fail WP:BLP and may change at a later time after court screening. We should not add it. Venkat TL ( talk) 13:57, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
The ongoing investigations .... are indicative that Riyaz Attari, was trying to get close to BJP leaders and workers such as those affiliated to Muslim Rashtriya Manch, including Irshad Chainwala, a member of BJP Minority Morcha and Tahir Raza Khan, a BJP worker with a view to target them. It has also been revealed that he had carried out recce of BJP establishments and functionaries of the party for this purpose.Also:
During the interrogation, the accused revealed that they were self-radicalised and followers of Karachi-based Dawat-e-Islami leader Illyas Attar Qadri. If the murderer has not said anything about this matter, it cannot be estalished that the information obtained is innaccurate. Kpddg (talk) 14:55, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
The conspiracy theories of Rohit Kanwal cannot be added into the wikipedia article about a living person. Please dont edit war over this, see Dispute resolution. Venkat TL ( talk) 17:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
::It's being repeated left and right that India Today is a reliable source. Where has this been established?
Hemantha (
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18:01, 3 July 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock
Why can't these clear threats be mentioned in the lead, and why can't they have a quotebox? No guideline is against it, and above discussions are unclear. This is relevant to the article and can be sufficiently sourced. It is not just something which 'exists' in a source, but has direct relevance. Kpddg (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
The assailants also threatened Prime Minister Narendra Modi in the video.to the lead section. And later in the article:
In what seems to be a second video (taken after the attack), they boasted about the murder to avenge the insult to islam and also issued threatened India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi that their 'knife would reach him as well'.Kpddg (talk) 13:35, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
“Listen, Narendra Modi, you have lit the fire, but we will douse it,” he said, as the men brandished their daggers. “I pray to god that this dagger will reach your neck one day, too.”. Kpddg (talk) 13:22, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
"In the video released by the perpetrators, they threatened India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi with murder."Venkat TL ( talk) 13:31, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
@
Kpddg, The exact lines you proposed may not be adequately supported. However, from the source, we can add The assailants later recorded another video, where one issued a warning, saying “Listen, Narendra Modi, you have lit the fire, but we will douse it. I pray to god that this dagger will reach your neck one day, too”, while the two men brandished daggers
. Or, this could be included in a quotebox.
Captain Jack Sparrow (
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16:49, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm creating a separate section for each issue to facillitate clear discusion. There are reactions of some organisations, but not of prominent opposition members and other such people. See this diff. Stones were pelted, silent protest was staged, etc. has been removed. Kpddg (talk) 15:44, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
If we are going to have a "see also" section, it needs to be clear why articles are linked to. See
MOS:SEEALSO, which says Editors should provide a brief annotation when a link's relevance is not immediately apparent
. The reason for including the links to
Kamlesh Tiwari, the
Murder of Samuel Paty and the
Murder of Lee Rigby is because of how and why they were murdered. This needs to be clear.--
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@ El C: Kindly revert this misleading revert by Venkat TL per consensus on this section as well as this BLPN thread. Captain Jack Sparrow ( talk) 03:05, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
I am reformatting this request for others to understand more easily as follow.
3rd paragraph on Murder of Kanhaiya Lal#Perpetrators is:-
On 1 July 2022, pictures of Mohammad Riyaz Attari emerged which showed him attending BJP events. In a 2020 post on facebook, Attari was described by a local Bharatiya Janata Party and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh leader as a "dedicated worker of the BJP". [1] [2]
Change it back to:
On 1 July 2022, it was reported that Attari may have been planning to infiltrate the BJP through its loyalists, after photos of Attari attending BJP functions surfaced. In a 2020 post on Facebook, Attari had been described by a local Bharatiya Janata Party and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh leader as a "dedicated worker of the BJP". [3] [1] [4] [5]
It was unilaterally modified
here but the consensus is against it per section above,
[4] and also
WP:BLPN thread.
[5]
Captain Jack Sparrow (
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:I do not know why you repeat so stridently that there is consensus. There is absolutely not. Your version has severe NPOV problems as well as BLP issues. Consensus is generated by discussing, not by repeatedly reopening edit requests.
Hemantha (
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12:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock
Not done The comments by User:El_C are correct. I do not see a blatant BLP violation, so will wait for consensus to emerge from other editors. — Martin (
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13:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
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Add the following to "Perpetrators" section:
During interrogations, the assailants described themselves as " self-radicalized" and followers of Dawat-e-Islami; both of them had affixed "Attari" to their names to indicate their affiliation to Dawat-e-Islami and its leader Muhammad Ilyas Attar Qadri. [1] [2] 49.37.247.133 ( talk) 07:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
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: Blocked sock
Not done: per
WP:SUSPECT.
Hemantha (
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12:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Um, the police claim they have said so. Unless some court upholds it, it is just an allegation and hence
WP:SUSPECT is applicable. Note that edit requests are to be used only after consensus has been formed. Please don't unnecessarily reopen it.
Hemantha (
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18:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock
Edit requests for fully protected pages must be handled by an administrator."
Administrators can respond only to requests that are either uncontroversial improvements (correcting typos, grammar, or reference formatting; improving the reliability or efficiency of template code) or are already supported by a consensus of editors, usually on the protected page's talk page." This contentious request is against consensus. If you want an admin to decline this for you be my guest. Venkat TL ( talk) 18:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Also involved editors should not be answering an edit request, especially on on a fully protected page that was protected because of edit-warring. That's called common sense. Now I would suggest all editors stop using edit requests and get consensus outside the edit requests before harassing admins with them and arguing within the request thread. Slywriter ( talk) 19:36, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please add this to the, "Perpetrators " section:
Investigation agencies suspect a wider involvement of terror groups in the killing of Kanhaiya Lal.
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Mossad3 (
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कुमार, अवधेश (7 July 2022). "कन्हैयालाल के हत्यारे का भाजपा से संबंध वाली वीडियो रिपोर्ट दैनिक भास्कर ने क्यों डिलीट की? (Why Dainik Bhaskar deleted the video report of Kanhaiyalal's killer having links with BJP?)". Newslaundry. Venkat TL ( talk) 12:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Should the Perpetrators section of the article include the line: "On 1 July 2022, it was reported that Attari may have been planning to infiltrate the BJP through its loyalists."-- Venkat TL ( talk) 09:04, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Source: Ojha, Arvind; Hizbullah, Md (1 July 2022). "Udaipur assailants may have plotted to infiltrate Rajasthan BJP Exclusive". India Today.
See: Special:Diff/1096311648/1096314102
Prior discussion thread : Speculations of Rahul Kanwal
(News)... by India Today with a headline claiming that the Udaipur duo “may have plotted to infiltrate Rajasthan BJP”. However, that claim of attempted “infiltration” – which is not sourced to any BJP leader or security official – appears to be the TV channel’s own spin and is belied by the BJP functionaries’ own Facebook posts describing Attari as a party worker. Ordinarily, evidence of such connections with killers ends up damaging the reputation of the politician and party involved. But a whole day after the India Today story, there seems to be little evidence of any media appetite for a follow up.- "As Photos Emerge of Udaipur Killer's Links to BJP Leaders, Party Moves to Damage Control Mode". The Wire. 2 July 2022.
Which means that all article edits can be reverted, unanswered talk page posts also. Others can be struck through. Doug Weller talk 07:28, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
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Delete this paragraph from the "Perpetrators" section:
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This paragraph is an egregious violation of WP:SOCIALMEDIA as it clearly "involves claims about third parties" viz. Bharatiya Janata Party, and there is "reasonable doubt as to its authenticity" since the claims come from a Facebook post whose authenticity has not been vetted by law/judiciary. Without further explanation or context, this paragraph also gives WP:UNDUE weight to an unverified claim, deliberately creates WP:FALSEBALANCE and amplifies political mudslinging in WP:WIKIVOICE. 49.37.247.133 ( talk) 21:04, 10 July 2022 (UTC)