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I propose that sections Early Muslim Presence in Sindh, Umayyad interest in Sindh, The campaign and Military and political strategy be split into a separate page called Arab conquest of Sind. These sections represent historical information that go beyond Muhammad bin Qasim's biography, dealing with Umayyad political strategies, Al-Hajjaj's management of the invasion etc. which deserve to be in a proper historical article on the subject. Once split, the material relevant to Qasim's biography can be summarised here. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 08:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Please indicate your agreement/disagreement here. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 08:57, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Please use this space for any threaded discussion. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 08:57, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Not sure why the article uses the colloquial Arabic word for "son of" bin instead of the proper ibn. All of our articles on medieval Islamic figures like the subject of this article use ibn. Unless anyone could indicate that "bin" is the more common form used for this person, I'll proceed to change it to "ibn". -- Al Ameer ( talk) 21:28, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
-- Al Ameer ( talk) 22:52, 20 November 2019 (UTC)In determining which of several alternative names is most frequently used, it is useful to observe the usage of major international organizations, major English-language media outlets, quality encyclopedias, geographic name servers, major scientific bodies, and notable scientific journals. A search engine may help to collect this data; when using a search engine, restrict the results to pages written in English, and exclude the word "Wikipedia". When using Google, generally a search of Google Books and News Archive should be defaulted to before a web search, as they concentrate reliable sources (exclude works from Books, LLC when searching Google Books[7]). Search engine results are subject to certain biases and technical limitations
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 04:27, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
– Many of the sources used in this article (Baloch 1953, Friedmann 1993, Asani 2006) have "ibn al-Qasim" (with definite article al-, precise transliteration may differ but we use WP:MOSAR), which also seems to be his original name in Arabic. Gabrieli 1965 uses "ibn Qasim" (without the definite article al-) in the title but then goes on to also call him "ibn al-Qasim" on the first page. Muhammad ibn al-Qasim is currently a DAB page but given that our Umayyad general is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC it should occupy the page with the bare name. If editors feel that the other Muhammad ibn al-Qasims listed at the DAB page are notable enough, an alternative would be to move this page to Muhammad ibn al-Qasim al-Thaqafi instead (his nisba al-Thaqafi provides natural disambiguation; it's the solution also preferred by ar-wiki). ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 23:34, 4 July 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. >>> Extorc. talk 11:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Al Ameer son ( talk • contribs) 14:48, July 11, 2022 (UTC)
How was muhammad bin qasim gifted and special? 103.162.137.81 ( talk) 17:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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![]() | On 4 July 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Muhammad ibn Qasim to Muhammad ibn al-Qasim. The result of the discussion was moved. |
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I propose that sections Early Muslim Presence in Sindh, Umayyad interest in Sindh, The campaign and Military and political strategy be split into a separate page called Arab conquest of Sind. These sections represent historical information that go beyond Muhammad bin Qasim's biography, dealing with Umayyad political strategies, Al-Hajjaj's management of the invasion etc. which deserve to be in a proper historical article on the subject. Once split, the material relevant to Qasim's biography can be summarised here. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 08:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Please indicate your agreement/disagreement here. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 08:57, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Please use this space for any threaded discussion. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 08:57, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Not sure why the article uses the colloquial Arabic word for "son of" bin instead of the proper ibn. All of our articles on medieval Islamic figures like the subject of this article use ibn. Unless anyone could indicate that "bin" is the more common form used for this person, I'll proceed to change it to "ibn". -- Al Ameer ( talk) 21:28, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
-- Al Ameer ( talk) 22:52, 20 November 2019 (UTC)In determining which of several alternative names is most frequently used, it is useful to observe the usage of major international organizations, major English-language media outlets, quality encyclopedias, geographic name servers, major scientific bodies, and notable scientific journals. A search engine may help to collect this data; when using a search engine, restrict the results to pages written in English, and exclude the word "Wikipedia". When using Google, generally a search of Google Books and News Archive should be defaulted to before a web search, as they concentrate reliable sources (exclude works from Books, LLC when searching Google Books[7]). Search engine results are subject to certain biases and technical limitations
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 04:27, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
– Many of the sources used in this article (Baloch 1953, Friedmann 1993, Asani 2006) have "ibn al-Qasim" (with definite article al-, precise transliteration may differ but we use WP:MOSAR), which also seems to be his original name in Arabic. Gabrieli 1965 uses "ibn Qasim" (without the definite article al-) in the title but then goes on to also call him "ibn al-Qasim" on the first page. Muhammad ibn al-Qasim is currently a DAB page but given that our Umayyad general is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC it should occupy the page with the bare name. If editors feel that the other Muhammad ibn al-Qasims listed at the DAB page are notable enough, an alternative would be to move this page to Muhammad ibn al-Qasim al-Thaqafi instead (his nisba al-Thaqafi provides natural disambiguation; it's the solution also preferred by ar-wiki). ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 23:34, 4 July 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. >>> Extorc. talk 11:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Al Ameer son ( talk • contribs) 14:48, July 11, 2022 (UTC)
How was muhammad bin qasim gifted and special? 103.162.137.81 ( talk) 17:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)