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Why has the spelling of Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri's name been changed to Mohammad Tahir ul-Qadri. His books are published under the name of Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri. The majority of the sources refer to him as Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri. The spelling needs to be rectified urgently. Hasseniqbal192 ( talk) 00:44, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Article must be moved back to Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri. Article move on 15 January was vandalism. Hasseniqbal192 ( talk) 13:12, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Lack of suitable citations need to be noted. There are too many references from one source (minhaj.org) The article contains too many lists, it needs to be concise and better summarised to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Hasseniqbal192 ( talk) 00:29, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Can we add the fact that Sheikh Tahir ul Qadiri is a dual national. I feel this is an important fact that is missing from his page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.114.241 ( talk) 19:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
I have recently come across an old video of Tahir ul Qadir in which he makes miraculous claims. He claims that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) came in his dream and asked him to start the Tehreek e Minhaj ul Quran. In the same video he claims that he was diagnosed with an incurable heart disease and New York based doctors told him that he would die within three to six months period. Later on he requested the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to get his life extended. So with the intervention Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) he got his life extended and Azrael (the angel of death) sent back. I am new to wikipedia so thought if this information might be included in his biography. I am linking the videos here, Video Part 1, Video Part 2 Rafiullah ( talk) 17:45, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
The point is not to glorify him. The point is that he makes non-sensical, metaphysical, unverifiable claims while at the same he is deemed, by some, a religious scholar and has been very popular in US and Canada. Such an information is necessary to appear in his profile may be as a critique. So that people don't get mislead and be cautious before buying his arguments or religious interpretations. Anyway but if doesn't qualify the wikipedia standards is fine.
Rafiullah ( talk) 22:59, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Dr Tahir qadri got his basic study (related to wikipedia) in catholic school, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.116.94.233 ( talk) 01:15, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
This article needs to be subcategorized. We try to keep individual articles out of "Writers" and use the various subcategories otherwise "Writers" gets overwhelming. I previously changed "Writers" here to "Pakistani writers" and someone reversed it. I will now change it to "Muslim writers." If that is still not acceptable, change it to whichever subcategory is acceptable, but please don't just leave it at "Writer." Also, many researchers find national categories useful, so you may want to reconsider the "Pakistani writers" category. Thank you. — scribbling woman 16:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Most muslims do know about him and his organisation. He has appereared on many english TV channels like QTV, Unity TV, PTV Prime and even Islam Channel are going to begin showing his lectures in June. His students are also well-know such as Shaykh Ramadan Qadri from the UK. People like Abdul Hakim Murad and Hamza Yusuf have met him and honoured him, and Shaykh Asad as-sarghaji who is a great islamic authority in Syria accepts him as his teacher. Hasseniqbal192 16:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Mrizwan.pu ( talk) 07:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC) It should not be removed because he is:
1 - Dr: He is a doctor as mentioned in his education section.
2 - Shaykh ul Islam: It is not necessary that we call people by name only. We can call them by prefixes which is a very common thing in general. If it is not the case then why to use prefix Quaid-e-Azam with Muhammad Ali Jinnah name ?
Article like that of Hamza Yusuf and Abdul Hakim Murad and others include the word shaykh as they are commonly known by that name. Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri's article should include his full title like the other articles. So please don't vandalize the page as he is commonly known as Shaykh ul Islam Professor Dr. Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri. Hasseniqbal192 01:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this whole article is self projection by his own IT team and all the links point to own minhaj sites. it doesnt deserve a noble person of such things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shakilahmed ( talk • contribs) 13:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Whole article contains secondary references from external websites. only Qadri's own books /Published Works are cited from primary references. ServingIslam ( talk) 08:31, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone add information about his education, i.e if he is a doctor from where he did MBBS or Doctorate in philosophy etc. Mkashifafzal ( talk) 12:01, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
He Got the Title of Shaikh Ul Islam from the Scholars of Jamia Al Azhar (The World's 2nd oldest and Authentic Islamic University According to Wikipedia. ( /info/en/?search=Al-Azhar_University). Shaykh al-Islām (Sheikh ul-Islam, Sheikhul Islam, Shaikh al-Islam, Şeyhülislam) is a title of superior authority in the issues of Islam. Refrence:( /info/en/?search=Shaikh_ul_Islam). If the Scholars of Jamia al Azhar (Egypt)gave him the the title of Shaikh ul Islam then Wikipedia should also include this Title in his Auto-Biographical Article: Shaikh ul Islam Mohammad Tahir Ul Qadri instead of (Mohammad Tahir ul Qadri.) References are here: ( Lecture of Shaikh ul islam at Jamia al Azhar "AlMazhab ul Mukhtar fi Hukm el Hadith Al Za'eef on October 21 2012" where they (Scholars of Jamia al Azhar) mention him by the Title of Shaikh Ul Islam. link:( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgonxaheXUU)and ( https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=441142452670380&set=vb.100003238863287&type=2&theater) For more satisfaction Read his book "Al Minhaj-us-Sawwi" Chapter "Al Taqdeemat" where the Mufti of Syria "Asa'ad Mohammad Saeed As'saghar jee" called him by the Title of Shaikh u Islam.. Haseeb v30 ( talk) 09:14, 25 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haseebv30 ( talk • contribs)
Says he has "Given" the ijaza but in fact he has "Received" ijazas from the ulema listed. I've changed it AN-MEL 19:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Further, all the ijazas of "Europe" are unsubstantiated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AN-MEL ( talk • contribs) 19:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I have edited the introduction from "unique amongst Muslim scholars" to "prominent" - as being multi-lingual is not something that can be claimned is unique to Dr Tahir ul Qadri. The definition of unique implies standing alone in a skill, something that is untrue. Therefore this serves as fawning and advertising, not particuarly encylopedic.
I have made these minor edits before but someone vandalised them back - presumably a follower of said Dr. Please, do not revert it this time. On the issue of being multi-lingual, most sub-continental scholars are able to speak both Arabic and Urdu, most of the Pakistani ulama in the UK are able to speak Arabic, English and Urdu - and even a significant number (such as Shaykh Abdul Hakim Murad and Shaykh Muhammad Saqib Iqbal Shami) are able to speak Persian in addition - so there is not uniqueness.
I believe that "prominent" stands as both a respectful and encylopedic analysis of the situation. MuhammadYusufAttari ( talk) 09:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Furthermore, I have removed the stories regarding dreams and vision from the page, and narrations about pious ancestors. This is not encylopedic content, and should not be included in this section, as it is a tale. Please insert a seperate section regarding "Dreams Surrounding Dr's Birth", making it clear that this is a story, told on the account of family members and re-written by the Minhaj ul Qur'an press team. [1:54:33 PM] Malik Muhammad Umar Awan(www.learnalquran.com) says: LEARN AL-QURAN INTERNATIONAL ONLINE ACADEMY
Removed advert -- NotedGrant Talk 17:13, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
most of the links in this article point to own resources ie, minhaj etc. writer should learn how to write an unbiased neautral and fact based article, some title may be used well in Pakistan to project well but this is an international site, should confrom to normal set of standards. so remove such things please or i will report this to wikipedia personally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shakilahmed ( talk • contribs) 14:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
this is not true. most links are from other sites . ServingIslam ( talk) 18:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with Shakilahmed, majority of article contains secondary references. for his books & Published Works obviously one has to use primary references. ServingIslam ( talk) 18:23, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
The article says "...Sayyid Rasûl Shâh Khâkî of Chakwâl who had died at the age of 130 years." when the oldest living person ever to live is 122 years. check this wiki for more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people#Oldest_verified_people_ever_.28top_10.29 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.45.37 ( talk) 23:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I've removed internal links from see also per [1] and a few internal already present in the article -- NotedGrant Talk 17:08, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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The article is clearly hagiographic and all the references cited are propagation websites patronized by the subject person or his followers.In its present form this is not an encyclopedia article. that is the longest ever RECORDED living person, that's not to say no one lived longer! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.122.242.121 ( talk) 17:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
most of article contains secondary references. for his books & Published Works obviously one has to use primary references.this is not longest ever RECORDED living person in fact his contribution & work demands a lengthy article. ServingIslam ( talk) 18:54, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I suggest some one improve the language in this article (stylistically), one can find some *odd* constructions. I'd do it, but I'm not a native speaker myself. In addition, the article reminds me of a fan site. Peace 213.47.144.254 ( talk) 23:48, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
It is of concern that the article as of present (May 2010) is far from NPOV and particularily in light of recent days editing with the article now containing over 70% primary references (selfpublished) as they are all leading back to Minhaj ul Quran and Tahir Qadri is Minhaj ul Quran (his notability). This clearly violates both wiki policy on editing WP:BLP as well as referencing/sources. Unless reliable secondary references are added shortly to back up the primary, much of the content could be removed especially as the scope goes beyond basic biographical details but rather indulge in POV. The misleading edit summaries or just lack of don't help the matter either. Fragma08 ( talk) 19:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with Fragma08, majority of article contains secondary references. for his books & Published Works obviously one has to use primary references. ServingIslam ( talk) 18:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
The entire section falls short of the requirements for inclusion in wikipedia in general, and a biography of a living person in particular, for the following reasons:
I'm talking about this section:
In “Islam – the State Religion” – found online on ul-Qadri's website [1] he has said the following: “there is a fundamental contrast between an Islamic state and a secular state. The authority of a secular state derives from the people themselves. Religion plays no obligatory role in its functioning. But the authority of an Islamic state derives from the Almighty Allah”.... “Islam is the basis of polity in an Islamic state”.
He also claims that the first constitution of Madinah “declared the state of Madinah as a political unit”. He also mentions that the constitution declared the “indivisible composition of the Muslim nation ( Ummah) and "its total and unquestioning submission to the will of God” [2]
He mentions that “In the Holy Quran God Himself has categorically expressed the concept of two-nation theory. There are those people who belong to the (Muslim) Ummah and there are those who are outside it” [1]
He also believes in the “Supremacy of Islam over other systems of life” and that “a state is Islamic only when it recognises the constitutional and political predominance of Islam”. [1]
With respect to constitutions, Tahir ul-Qadri says “since the constitution itself is a document of law, it has to derive its validity from Qur’an and Sunnah”, and modern political rulers have the “religious and moral responsibility to implement the “revealed laws””. He rejects secular rule stating that “a constitution is a man-made law and by no means it can be declared superior to a God-made law” and that “no authority in the land can suspend enforcement or curtail the implementation of Shariah” [2]
He believes in the Sovereignty of God’s law, that Shari’ah equates to State law, that it is a political duty for Muslims to create a political entity that reflects that. Tahir ul-Qadri sees Islam as a political ideology, he does believe in democracy and human rights, but these rights are defined by Islam. Hudood prescriptions are core issues in the law which must be implemented unless there are societal reasons such as famine or lack of education to do so.
In the 1980s Tahri ul-Qadri also supported much of General Zia's Islamisization of Pakistan, which included hudood laws, blasphemy laws, and the rule on apostasy being death. [2]
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I see that this has been discussed a couple of times above, but, just to reiterate, this section violates WP:BLP and WP:SYNTHESIS. You cannot take a quote from his book and a quote from the Quran, then declare that there has been criticism. We need reliable sources that state the criticism, not use original research to find them. Apparition11 Complaints/ Mistakes 03:23, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
good job by removing criticism ,that was actually not a criticism but false accusations lies & fabrications . majority of the criticism is coming from extremist groups who appose Dr. Qadri's Fatwa on Terrorism ServingIslam ( talk) 17:52, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Qadri fan stop acting smart here. you are quoting wahhabi salafi references, Qadri is sunni hanafi, unlike wahabies & khwarjities he doesn't declare other Muslims as Mushrik or kafir.Dr Qadri is not forcing his sunni beliefs to any whaabies so same should be a response from wahabies too. Live & Let live ! ServingIslam ( talk) 08:45, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I think there should be a section on all his claims about Prophet (pbuh) as well proper discussion for the failure of his long march. I am not adding the dreams part as I have not done enough investigation on it. However, what I have heard is disturbing and people deserve to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.46.153.145 ( talk) 09:45, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
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why my post removed from "Political career" Section? i have provided both primary as well as secondary references. ServingIslam ( talk) 11:54, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I am surprised that my contributions (with references) were deleted. I added a very important section detailing the relationship between Sharif family and Tahirul Qadri. The wikipedia entry on Tahirul Qadri is the most lopsided article I have seen, it appears to be a part of Minhaj website.
I'd request Wikipedia to review the history of edits on Tahirul Qadri, figure out who keeps deleting objective contributions on Tahirul Qadri and make this entry more complete and objective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.62.110.164 ( talk) 07:02, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
It is surprizing to see that nearly all the references of this article get traced back to Tahir ul Qadri's own books and youtube interviews. Remember folks, this is not Tahir ul Qadri's personal webpage, its Wikipedia. So please provide references back to independent resources instead of from his own books.
This article is defiantly not neutral. Without any disrespect, Tahir ul Qadri has been criticized a lot for his fake dream telling and making masses fool and giving fatwas out of line with Quran and Sunnah of Islam. So there needs to be a controversy section or you can call it criticism...but it needs to be there to show reader both sides of the picture.
This page needs not to have a political motive to promote him among masses in Pakistan... Let it remain Wikipedia and don't turn it into Tahir ul Qadri's personal web page.
I have added citations needed...so please provide independent verifiable information, otherwise please delete it.
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.175.51 ( talk) 20:38, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
i strongly disagree. all references are from independent resources,this article is neutral dozens of secondary independent sources links have been provided in this article for example from US World Economic Forum,BBC,CNN,GEO NEWS,DAWAN,AL-JAZERA ,VOA NEWS,THE NEWS,Washington Times,Press TV,Guardian ETC. of course in his books section one has to provide direct link of his website. ServingIslam ( talk) 07:27, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Is there any link with Tahir ul Qadiri's frequent changes of headgear and the titles he gaives himself e.g. Sheikh ul Islam titles coincides with his adoption of the tall headgear of Ottoman Sheikhs of the highest order — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.57.193 ( talk) 21:06, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Reading the notes by contributors, several people have come to the same conclusion, that Tahirul Qadri's disciples are wikipedia moderators for this page. Wikipedia needs to adapt a better moderation policy, that prevents partisan moderation of wikipedia pages. The current TUQ page seems to be a page on one his websites! — Preceding
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Article is largely bias and not at all neutral. Please remove POV tag when article is neutral to an acceptable standard, please do not remove otherwise. Dhulfikar chat? 23:18, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Article is Neutral,All references are from independent resources, hundreds of secondary independent sources have been provided for example from US World Economic Forum,BBC,CNN,GEO NEWS,DAWAN,AL-JAZERA ,VOA NEWS,THE NEWS,Washington Times,Press TV,Guardian ETC. of course in his books section one has to provide direct link of his website. Islamicreviver ( talk) 15:50, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Removal of 2013 Long March led by Tahir ul Qadri was a big blunder-did not u keep yourself in touch with recent event then go back and open pakistani private and public channels to see the source truth and reliability is undoubtful ... requesting not again include me with this conflict and stop it cleaning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agente786 ( talk • contribs) 18:15, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
GorgeCustersSabre removed my edits claiming they were not neutral or from reliable sources, although I referenced Qadri's own books, and Minhaj websites. Also the reference to support the claim he is a law professor does not in any way support that. Maintaining this seems to be very hagiographic, I can only reason that GorgeCustersSabre is a supporter of Qadri and somehow feels that my edits reduce the status of this scholar, despite being true. Please explain. My removed statemens and refs below:
1. He is not a professor, and the first few lines claiming this with the reference in fact link to his phd in Islamic penal punishments and do not state he was a professor. [4]
2. he has a Phd in law and is a Sufi Islamist- Supports the idea of Caliphate or Islamic state but differs with Wahabis on it: http://www.minhajpublications.com/?p=11
3. Qadri is not a secularist, he remains a moderate Islamist and believes in an Islamic State or Caliphate [1] in an orthodox Sunni way, and that not "a single Muslim country which can be said to have the Islamic political system fully established." "The prevalent political systems available to the world today are Democracy, Communism and the Islamic State commonly referred to as the Khilafah (Caliphate). There are many things in common between these systems. The majority of countries today are divided between being Western democracies or Muslim countries, although there might not be a single Muslim country which can be said to have the Islamic political system fully established. from: http://www.minhajpublications.com/?p=11
4. Qadri also supports in theory the Islamic penal punishments, and wrote a Phd on the subject: PUNISHMENTS IN ISLAM THEIR CLASSIFICATION & PHILOSOPHY: http://eprints.hec.gov.pk/1475/1/1359.HTM
5. Qadri's deputy, Ghazala Hassan Qadri, head of his from Minhaj Women League, states that women may take any position in government except that of head of state which is a minor sin, not a major sin - "Women & Politics in Islam : Full Rights to be a Member of Parliament Political Advisor", by Ghazala Hassan Qadri, head of his from Minhaj Women League, http://www.islamicreviver.com/category/islamic-state-khilafat
6. Qadri has also defended the Blaspheny Law of Pakistan, although accepts it is misused: http://www.islamicreviver.com/3333/reply-to-false-accusations-of-karen-haekkerup-danish-minister-about-blasphemy-law
All of the above sources are from his own supporters and movement so how is this biased? Aaliyah Stevens ( talk) 20:58, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
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I recently added Beliefs,Work And linkage to Imam Ahmed Raza Khan of Sir Tahir ul Qadri in main intro. Dil e Muslim talk 17:45, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
reverted 6 edits.unexplained remove a lot of data.against guidelines.without source.may be someone is against Sir Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri.possible vendlization. Dil e Muslim talk 16:55, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
added more refrences on beliefs of Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri.my sources are authentic and necessary. Dil e Muslim talk 17:34, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Aslam O Alikum! Dear users.he is barelvi.it is proved from his books.Ilm al-Ghayb (Book on the Knowledge of the Unseen).al-Mawlid an-Nabawiyy ([blessings and peace be upon him)] Celebration of Mawlid] The largest ever written work on this subject, consisting of approximately 850 pages).Kitab at-Tawassul (Book on Intermediation).Kitab ash-Shafaa (Book on Intercession).Kitab al-Baraka (Book on Blessings).Kitab az-Ziyara (Book on Visiting the Graves).not even this He is linked to Imam Ahmad Raza Khan via only one teacher through three different routes [1].and you can see Sir Tahir ul Qadri celebrating milad in newpapers.these are fundandamental beliefs of only only barelvi.and dont remove it without some proper source.it is against guidelines. Dil e Muslim talk 08:22, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Please provide at least one good source that states that he is a Barelwi before adding such a big claim on the page. Original research and your deduction is not good enough. Tahir ul Qadri is a Sufi scholar and the above practises and beliefs are prominent amongst Sufis in the middle east. Hasseniqbal192 ( talk) 14:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
i already warned you here that you are engaged in edit war on this page.
this is my last version in which i discribed that Tahir ul qadri is Barelvi
now about sources
he is a true and solid Barelvi.
can you prove these beliefs from Sufism
and Dont ever try to give fake warning to users. Dil e Muslim talk 16:46, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Please watch the 13 minute clip I sent you to your talk page where he clearly states that he is not a Barelwi. Being aggressive won't help matters. Please provide at least one source citing that he is a Barelwi apart from your deduction and original research and I will accept your edit. Hasseniqbal192 ( talk) 18:59, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
BTW the above discussion of mezzomezzo is WP:OR dear mezzomezzo Please. Read. Those. Policies. Dil e Muslim talk 09:15, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
as comcerned with sufism of deobandi.they are not in favor of shrines tomb and calling saints for assistance. [2] Dil e Muslim talk 09:15, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
the main reason is that he want to call himself with term ahlesunnat wa jamaat which most barelvi like.see first paragraph of article Barelvi. he want to call himself with word barelvi word ahlesunnah or some other word it doesnt matter.it is based on his beliefs.and he is barelvi see here he is a barelvi declared by a newspaper.and not even this he and minhaj ul quran(his orgnization) is also declared barelvi by some well known authors in journal "Producing Islamic Knowledge. Transmission and Dissemination in Western Europe" Edited by Martin van Bruinessen and Stefano Allievi Dil e Muslim talk 08:59, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
One journalist and a couple of academics have labelled him with this term. Tahir-ul-Qadri himself has never associated himself with the Barelvi movement and he has been critical of this extreme sub-movement started by some followers of Ahmad Raza Khan, he has spoken clearly against Barelvis in the video I sent you earlier if you care to watch it. Tahir-ul-Qadri accepts many of the teachings of Ahmad Raza Khan but he has also always reserved the right to have different opinions to Ahmad Raza Khan. For example, he doesn't label Wahabis and Deobandis as infidels, nor does he believe that you can't pray behind them as many Barelvis think. His organisation, Minhaj ul Qur'an also label themselves as a non-sectarian organisation. You won't find any source where Tahir ul Qadri has associated himself with this Barelvi movement, many of his views are similar, but these same views are also found in Sufis. Many people have generally associated him with the movement but he himself has never claimed to be part of this extreme sub-sect. Tahir ul Qadri has always called himself a sufi and minhaj ul quran is known to be a sufi based organisation. Thought I'll just throw my views in this discussion. Tommyfenton ( talk) 21:25, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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I would like to inquire about the tag currently at the top of the article stating, as of this April, that the article largely relies on a single source. Because...well, do I need to state the obvious? MezzoMezzo ( talk) 10:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
This article seems to be written by someone close to the subject or the subject himself, and seems rather an exercise in self-promotion and self-justification. It reads like promotional campaign/political literature, justifying the point of view and actions of the Dr and also trying to present him in some sort of 'messianic' light (eg an alleged meeting with the prophet Muhammad in a dream and trying to relate some sort of special significance to this, to make the Dr seem something special) and so on. I really think this should be really drastically pruned and edited and all such spurious claims and the obvious bias removed, by competent neutral editors. Thanks. 39.54.21.210 ( talk) 11:15, 30 January 2015 (UTC)Prof (r) Hilda Khan, Pakistan
The article has highly slanted and needs cleanup of honorifics and dubious sources. Also the irrelevant rants in talks pages by unprofessional Pakistani Wikipedians can take up data!!! Messiaindarain ( talk) 06:44, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
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I do not understand what issue editors have with this page, everytime there is a constructive edit, it is reverted. On every instance the editors have refused to point out errors and instead provide general statements and delete the constructive edits. If there is a problem with a certain section, editors should discuss it here instead of removing it completely and reverting the page to a version where information is not just weak but false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanialAhmedSheikh ( talk • contribs) 10:10, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
The long march did not happen in 2012, it happened in January 2013. Dr. Qadri came back to Pakistan and held a large public gathering on December 23rd, 2012 in Lahore which was the background event for the long march. Moreover the Longmarch 2012 section says "he has won 20 seats in that march". This is completely wrong as PAT did not even contest the elections of 2013 instead they launched the Vote for None campaign. Need to add a separate section to represent this fairly. Danial 10:13, 21 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanialAhmedSheikh ( talk • contribs)
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Why has the spelling of Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri's name been changed to Mohammad Tahir ul-Qadri. His books are published under the name of Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri. The majority of the sources refer to him as Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri. The spelling needs to be rectified urgently. Hasseniqbal192 ( talk) 00:44, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Article must be moved back to Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri. Article move on 15 January was vandalism. Hasseniqbal192 ( talk) 13:12, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Lack of suitable citations need to be noted. There are too many references from one source (minhaj.org) The article contains too many lists, it needs to be concise and better summarised to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Hasseniqbal192 ( talk) 00:29, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Can we add the fact that Sheikh Tahir ul Qadiri is a dual national. I feel this is an important fact that is missing from his page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.114.241 ( talk) 19:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
I have recently come across an old video of Tahir ul Qadir in which he makes miraculous claims. He claims that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) came in his dream and asked him to start the Tehreek e Minhaj ul Quran. In the same video he claims that he was diagnosed with an incurable heart disease and New York based doctors told him that he would die within three to six months period. Later on he requested the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to get his life extended. So with the intervention Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) he got his life extended and Azrael (the angel of death) sent back. I am new to wikipedia so thought if this information might be included in his biography. I am linking the videos here, Video Part 1, Video Part 2 Rafiullah ( talk) 17:45, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
The point is not to glorify him. The point is that he makes non-sensical, metaphysical, unverifiable claims while at the same he is deemed, by some, a religious scholar and has been very popular in US and Canada. Such an information is necessary to appear in his profile may be as a critique. So that people don't get mislead and be cautious before buying his arguments or religious interpretations. Anyway but if doesn't qualify the wikipedia standards is fine.
Rafiullah ( talk) 22:59, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Dr Tahir qadri got his basic study (related to wikipedia) in catholic school, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.116.94.233 ( talk) 01:15, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
This article needs to be subcategorized. We try to keep individual articles out of "Writers" and use the various subcategories otherwise "Writers" gets overwhelming. I previously changed "Writers" here to "Pakistani writers" and someone reversed it. I will now change it to "Muslim writers." If that is still not acceptable, change it to whichever subcategory is acceptable, but please don't just leave it at "Writer." Also, many researchers find national categories useful, so you may want to reconsider the "Pakistani writers" category. Thank you. — scribbling woman 16:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Most muslims do know about him and his organisation. He has appereared on many english TV channels like QTV, Unity TV, PTV Prime and even Islam Channel are going to begin showing his lectures in June. His students are also well-know such as Shaykh Ramadan Qadri from the UK. People like Abdul Hakim Murad and Hamza Yusuf have met him and honoured him, and Shaykh Asad as-sarghaji who is a great islamic authority in Syria accepts him as his teacher. Hasseniqbal192 16:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Mrizwan.pu ( talk) 07:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC) It should not be removed because he is:
1 - Dr: He is a doctor as mentioned in his education section.
2 - Shaykh ul Islam: It is not necessary that we call people by name only. We can call them by prefixes which is a very common thing in general. If it is not the case then why to use prefix Quaid-e-Azam with Muhammad Ali Jinnah name ?
Article like that of Hamza Yusuf and Abdul Hakim Murad and others include the word shaykh as they are commonly known by that name. Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri's article should include his full title like the other articles. So please don't vandalize the page as he is commonly known as Shaykh ul Islam Professor Dr. Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri. Hasseniqbal192 01:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this whole article is self projection by his own IT team and all the links point to own minhaj sites. it doesnt deserve a noble person of such things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shakilahmed ( talk • contribs) 13:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Whole article contains secondary references from external websites. only Qadri's own books /Published Works are cited from primary references. ServingIslam ( talk) 08:31, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone add information about his education, i.e if he is a doctor from where he did MBBS or Doctorate in philosophy etc. Mkashifafzal ( talk) 12:01, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
He Got the Title of Shaikh Ul Islam from the Scholars of Jamia Al Azhar (The World's 2nd oldest and Authentic Islamic University According to Wikipedia. ( /info/en/?search=Al-Azhar_University). Shaykh al-Islām (Sheikh ul-Islam, Sheikhul Islam, Shaikh al-Islam, Şeyhülislam) is a title of superior authority in the issues of Islam. Refrence:( /info/en/?search=Shaikh_ul_Islam). If the Scholars of Jamia al Azhar (Egypt)gave him the the title of Shaikh ul Islam then Wikipedia should also include this Title in his Auto-Biographical Article: Shaikh ul Islam Mohammad Tahir Ul Qadri instead of (Mohammad Tahir ul Qadri.) References are here: ( Lecture of Shaikh ul islam at Jamia al Azhar "AlMazhab ul Mukhtar fi Hukm el Hadith Al Za'eef on October 21 2012" where they (Scholars of Jamia al Azhar) mention him by the Title of Shaikh Ul Islam. link:( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgonxaheXUU)and ( https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=441142452670380&set=vb.100003238863287&type=2&theater) For more satisfaction Read his book "Al Minhaj-us-Sawwi" Chapter "Al Taqdeemat" where the Mufti of Syria "Asa'ad Mohammad Saeed As'saghar jee" called him by the Title of Shaikh u Islam.. Haseeb v30 ( talk) 09:14, 25 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haseebv30 ( talk • contribs)
Says he has "Given" the ijaza but in fact he has "Received" ijazas from the ulema listed. I've changed it AN-MEL 19:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Further, all the ijazas of "Europe" are unsubstantiated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AN-MEL ( talk • contribs) 19:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I have edited the introduction from "unique amongst Muslim scholars" to "prominent" - as being multi-lingual is not something that can be claimned is unique to Dr Tahir ul Qadri. The definition of unique implies standing alone in a skill, something that is untrue. Therefore this serves as fawning and advertising, not particuarly encylopedic.
I have made these minor edits before but someone vandalised them back - presumably a follower of said Dr. Please, do not revert it this time. On the issue of being multi-lingual, most sub-continental scholars are able to speak both Arabic and Urdu, most of the Pakistani ulama in the UK are able to speak Arabic, English and Urdu - and even a significant number (such as Shaykh Abdul Hakim Murad and Shaykh Muhammad Saqib Iqbal Shami) are able to speak Persian in addition - so there is not uniqueness.
I believe that "prominent" stands as both a respectful and encylopedic analysis of the situation. MuhammadYusufAttari ( talk) 09:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Furthermore, I have removed the stories regarding dreams and vision from the page, and narrations about pious ancestors. This is not encylopedic content, and should not be included in this section, as it is a tale. Please insert a seperate section regarding "Dreams Surrounding Dr's Birth", making it clear that this is a story, told on the account of family members and re-written by the Minhaj ul Qur'an press team. [1:54:33 PM] Malik Muhammad Umar Awan(www.learnalquran.com) says: LEARN AL-QURAN INTERNATIONAL ONLINE ACADEMY
Removed advert -- NotedGrant Talk 17:13, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
most of the links in this article point to own resources ie, minhaj etc. writer should learn how to write an unbiased neautral and fact based article, some title may be used well in Pakistan to project well but this is an international site, should confrom to normal set of standards. so remove such things please or i will report this to wikipedia personally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shakilahmed ( talk • contribs) 14:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
this is not true. most links are from other sites . ServingIslam ( talk) 18:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with Shakilahmed, majority of article contains secondary references. for his books & Published Works obviously one has to use primary references. ServingIslam ( talk) 18:23, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
The article says "...Sayyid Rasûl Shâh Khâkî of Chakwâl who had died at the age of 130 years." when the oldest living person ever to live is 122 years. check this wiki for more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people#Oldest_verified_people_ever_.28top_10.29 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.45.37 ( talk) 23:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I've removed internal links from see also per [1] and a few internal already present in the article -- NotedGrant Talk 17:08, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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The article is clearly hagiographic and all the references cited are propagation websites patronized by the subject person or his followers.In its present form this is not an encyclopedia article. that is the longest ever RECORDED living person, that's not to say no one lived longer! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.122.242.121 ( talk) 17:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
most of article contains secondary references. for his books & Published Works obviously one has to use primary references.this is not longest ever RECORDED living person in fact his contribution & work demands a lengthy article. ServingIslam ( talk) 18:54, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I suggest some one improve the language in this article (stylistically), one can find some *odd* constructions. I'd do it, but I'm not a native speaker myself. In addition, the article reminds me of a fan site. Peace 213.47.144.254 ( talk) 23:48, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
It is of concern that the article as of present (May 2010) is far from NPOV and particularily in light of recent days editing with the article now containing over 70% primary references (selfpublished) as they are all leading back to Minhaj ul Quran and Tahir Qadri is Minhaj ul Quran (his notability). This clearly violates both wiki policy on editing WP:BLP as well as referencing/sources. Unless reliable secondary references are added shortly to back up the primary, much of the content could be removed especially as the scope goes beyond basic biographical details but rather indulge in POV. The misleading edit summaries or just lack of don't help the matter either. Fragma08 ( talk) 19:12, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with Fragma08, majority of article contains secondary references. for his books & Published Works obviously one has to use primary references. ServingIslam ( talk) 18:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
The entire section falls short of the requirements for inclusion in wikipedia in general, and a biography of a living person in particular, for the following reasons:
I'm talking about this section:
In “Islam – the State Religion” – found online on ul-Qadri's website [1] he has said the following: “there is a fundamental contrast between an Islamic state and a secular state. The authority of a secular state derives from the people themselves. Religion plays no obligatory role in its functioning. But the authority of an Islamic state derives from the Almighty Allah”.... “Islam is the basis of polity in an Islamic state”.
He also claims that the first constitution of Madinah “declared the state of Madinah as a political unit”. He also mentions that the constitution declared the “indivisible composition of the Muslim nation ( Ummah) and "its total and unquestioning submission to the will of God” [2]
He mentions that “In the Holy Quran God Himself has categorically expressed the concept of two-nation theory. There are those people who belong to the (Muslim) Ummah and there are those who are outside it” [1]
He also believes in the “Supremacy of Islam over other systems of life” and that “a state is Islamic only when it recognises the constitutional and political predominance of Islam”. [1]
With respect to constitutions, Tahir ul-Qadri says “since the constitution itself is a document of law, it has to derive its validity from Qur’an and Sunnah”, and modern political rulers have the “religious and moral responsibility to implement the “revealed laws””. He rejects secular rule stating that “a constitution is a man-made law and by no means it can be declared superior to a God-made law” and that “no authority in the land can suspend enforcement or curtail the implementation of Shariah” [2]
He believes in the Sovereignty of God’s law, that Shari’ah equates to State law, that it is a political duty for Muslims to create a political entity that reflects that. Tahir ul-Qadri sees Islam as a political ideology, he does believe in democracy and human rights, but these rights are defined by Islam. Hudood prescriptions are core issues in the law which must be implemented unless there are societal reasons such as famine or lack of education to do so.
In the 1980s Tahri ul-Qadri also supported much of General Zia's Islamisization of Pakistan, which included hudood laws, blasphemy laws, and the rule on apostasy being death. [2]
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I see that this has been discussed a couple of times above, but, just to reiterate, this section violates WP:BLP and WP:SYNTHESIS. You cannot take a quote from his book and a quote from the Quran, then declare that there has been criticism. We need reliable sources that state the criticism, not use original research to find them. Apparition11 Complaints/ Mistakes 03:23, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
good job by removing criticism ,that was actually not a criticism but false accusations lies & fabrications . majority of the criticism is coming from extremist groups who appose Dr. Qadri's Fatwa on Terrorism ServingIslam ( talk) 17:52, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Qadri fan stop acting smart here. you are quoting wahhabi salafi references, Qadri is sunni hanafi, unlike wahabies & khwarjities he doesn't declare other Muslims as Mushrik or kafir.Dr Qadri is not forcing his sunni beliefs to any whaabies so same should be a response from wahabies too. Live & Let live ! ServingIslam ( talk) 08:45, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I think there should be a section on all his claims about Prophet (pbuh) as well proper discussion for the failure of his long march. I am not adding the dreams part as I have not done enough investigation on it. However, what I have heard is disturbing and people deserve to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.46.153.145 ( talk) 09:45, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
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why my post removed from "Political career" Section? i have provided both primary as well as secondary references. ServingIslam ( talk) 11:54, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I am surprised that my contributions (with references) were deleted. I added a very important section detailing the relationship between Sharif family and Tahirul Qadri. The wikipedia entry on Tahirul Qadri is the most lopsided article I have seen, it appears to be a part of Minhaj website.
I'd request Wikipedia to review the history of edits on Tahirul Qadri, figure out who keeps deleting objective contributions on Tahirul Qadri and make this entry more complete and objective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.62.110.164 ( talk) 07:02, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
It is surprizing to see that nearly all the references of this article get traced back to Tahir ul Qadri's own books and youtube interviews. Remember folks, this is not Tahir ul Qadri's personal webpage, its Wikipedia. So please provide references back to independent resources instead of from his own books.
This article is defiantly not neutral. Without any disrespect, Tahir ul Qadri has been criticized a lot for his fake dream telling and making masses fool and giving fatwas out of line with Quran and Sunnah of Islam. So there needs to be a controversy section or you can call it criticism...but it needs to be there to show reader both sides of the picture.
This page needs not to have a political motive to promote him among masses in Pakistan... Let it remain Wikipedia and don't turn it into Tahir ul Qadri's personal web page.
I have added citations needed...so please provide independent verifiable information, otherwise please delete it.
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.175.51 ( talk) 20:38, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
i strongly disagree. all references are from independent resources,this article is neutral dozens of secondary independent sources links have been provided in this article for example from US World Economic Forum,BBC,CNN,GEO NEWS,DAWAN,AL-JAZERA ,VOA NEWS,THE NEWS,Washington Times,Press TV,Guardian ETC. of course in his books section one has to provide direct link of his website. ServingIslam ( talk) 07:27, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Is there any link with Tahir ul Qadiri's frequent changes of headgear and the titles he gaives himself e.g. Sheikh ul Islam titles coincides with his adoption of the tall headgear of Ottoman Sheikhs of the highest order — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.57.193 ( talk) 21:06, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Reading the notes by contributors, several people have come to the same conclusion, that Tahirul Qadri's disciples are wikipedia moderators for this page. Wikipedia needs to adapt a better moderation policy, that prevents partisan moderation of wikipedia pages. The current TUQ page seems to be a page on one his websites! — Preceding
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Article is largely bias and not at all neutral. Please remove POV tag when article is neutral to an acceptable standard, please do not remove otherwise. Dhulfikar chat? 23:18, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
Article is Neutral,All references are from independent resources, hundreds of secondary independent sources have been provided for example from US World Economic Forum,BBC,CNN,GEO NEWS,DAWAN,AL-JAZERA ,VOA NEWS,THE NEWS,Washington Times,Press TV,Guardian ETC. of course in his books section one has to provide direct link of his website. Islamicreviver ( talk) 15:50, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Removal of 2013 Long March led by Tahir ul Qadri was a big blunder-did not u keep yourself in touch with recent event then go back and open pakistani private and public channels to see the source truth and reliability is undoubtful ... requesting not again include me with this conflict and stop it cleaning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agente786 ( talk • contribs) 18:15, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
GorgeCustersSabre removed my edits claiming they were not neutral or from reliable sources, although I referenced Qadri's own books, and Minhaj websites. Also the reference to support the claim he is a law professor does not in any way support that. Maintaining this seems to be very hagiographic, I can only reason that GorgeCustersSabre is a supporter of Qadri and somehow feels that my edits reduce the status of this scholar, despite being true. Please explain. My removed statemens and refs below:
1. He is not a professor, and the first few lines claiming this with the reference in fact link to his phd in Islamic penal punishments and do not state he was a professor. [4]
2. he has a Phd in law and is a Sufi Islamist- Supports the idea of Caliphate or Islamic state but differs with Wahabis on it: http://www.minhajpublications.com/?p=11
3. Qadri is not a secularist, he remains a moderate Islamist and believes in an Islamic State or Caliphate [1] in an orthodox Sunni way, and that not "a single Muslim country which can be said to have the Islamic political system fully established." "The prevalent political systems available to the world today are Democracy, Communism and the Islamic State commonly referred to as the Khilafah (Caliphate). There are many things in common between these systems. The majority of countries today are divided between being Western democracies or Muslim countries, although there might not be a single Muslim country which can be said to have the Islamic political system fully established. from: http://www.minhajpublications.com/?p=11
4. Qadri also supports in theory the Islamic penal punishments, and wrote a Phd on the subject: PUNISHMENTS IN ISLAM THEIR CLASSIFICATION & PHILOSOPHY: http://eprints.hec.gov.pk/1475/1/1359.HTM
5. Qadri's deputy, Ghazala Hassan Qadri, head of his from Minhaj Women League, states that women may take any position in government except that of head of state which is a minor sin, not a major sin - "Women & Politics in Islam : Full Rights to be a Member of Parliament Political Advisor", by Ghazala Hassan Qadri, head of his from Minhaj Women League, http://www.islamicreviver.com/category/islamic-state-khilafat
6. Qadri has also defended the Blaspheny Law of Pakistan, although accepts it is misused: http://www.islamicreviver.com/3333/reply-to-false-accusations-of-karen-haekkerup-danish-minister-about-blasphemy-law
All of the above sources are from his own supporters and movement so how is this biased? Aaliyah Stevens ( talk) 20:58, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
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I recently added Beliefs,Work And linkage to Imam Ahmed Raza Khan of Sir Tahir ul Qadri in main intro. Dil e Muslim talk 17:45, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
reverted 6 edits.unexplained remove a lot of data.against guidelines.without source.may be someone is against Sir Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri.possible vendlization. Dil e Muslim talk 16:55, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
added more refrences on beliefs of Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri.my sources are authentic and necessary. Dil e Muslim talk 17:34, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Aslam O Alikum! Dear users.he is barelvi.it is proved from his books.Ilm al-Ghayb (Book on the Knowledge of the Unseen).al-Mawlid an-Nabawiyy ([blessings and peace be upon him)] Celebration of Mawlid] The largest ever written work on this subject, consisting of approximately 850 pages).Kitab at-Tawassul (Book on Intermediation).Kitab ash-Shafaa (Book on Intercession).Kitab al-Baraka (Book on Blessings).Kitab az-Ziyara (Book on Visiting the Graves).not even this He is linked to Imam Ahmad Raza Khan via only one teacher through three different routes [1].and you can see Sir Tahir ul Qadri celebrating milad in newpapers.these are fundandamental beliefs of only only barelvi.and dont remove it without some proper source.it is against guidelines. Dil e Muslim talk 08:22, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Please provide at least one good source that states that he is a Barelwi before adding such a big claim on the page. Original research and your deduction is not good enough. Tahir ul Qadri is a Sufi scholar and the above practises and beliefs are prominent amongst Sufis in the middle east. Hasseniqbal192 ( talk) 14:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
i already warned you here that you are engaged in edit war on this page.
this is my last version in which i discribed that Tahir ul qadri is Barelvi
now about sources
he is a true and solid Barelvi.
can you prove these beliefs from Sufism
and Dont ever try to give fake warning to users. Dil e Muslim talk 16:46, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Please watch the 13 minute clip I sent you to your talk page where he clearly states that he is not a Barelwi. Being aggressive won't help matters. Please provide at least one source citing that he is a Barelwi apart from your deduction and original research and I will accept your edit. Hasseniqbal192 ( talk) 18:59, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
BTW the above discussion of mezzomezzo is WP:OR dear mezzomezzo Please. Read. Those. Policies. Dil e Muslim talk 09:15, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
as comcerned with sufism of deobandi.they are not in favor of shrines tomb and calling saints for assistance. [2] Dil e Muslim talk 09:15, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
the main reason is that he want to call himself with term ahlesunnat wa jamaat which most barelvi like.see first paragraph of article Barelvi. he want to call himself with word barelvi word ahlesunnah or some other word it doesnt matter.it is based on his beliefs.and he is barelvi see here he is a barelvi declared by a newspaper.and not even this he and minhaj ul quran(his orgnization) is also declared barelvi by some well known authors in journal "Producing Islamic Knowledge. Transmission and Dissemination in Western Europe" Edited by Martin van Bruinessen and Stefano Allievi Dil e Muslim talk 08:59, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
One journalist and a couple of academics have labelled him with this term. Tahir-ul-Qadri himself has never associated himself with the Barelvi movement and he has been critical of this extreme sub-movement started by some followers of Ahmad Raza Khan, he has spoken clearly against Barelvis in the video I sent you earlier if you care to watch it. Tahir-ul-Qadri accepts many of the teachings of Ahmad Raza Khan but he has also always reserved the right to have different opinions to Ahmad Raza Khan. For example, he doesn't label Wahabis and Deobandis as infidels, nor does he believe that you can't pray behind them as many Barelvis think. His organisation, Minhaj ul Qur'an also label themselves as a non-sectarian organisation. You won't find any source where Tahir ul Qadri has associated himself with this Barelvi movement, many of his views are similar, but these same views are also found in Sufis. Many people have generally associated him with the movement but he himself has never claimed to be part of this extreme sub-sect. Tahir ul Qadri has always called himself a sufi and minhaj ul quran is known to be a sufi based organisation. Thought I'll just throw my views in this discussion. Tommyfenton ( talk) 21:25, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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I would like to inquire about the tag currently at the top of the article stating, as of this April, that the article largely relies on a single source. Because...well, do I need to state the obvious? MezzoMezzo ( talk) 10:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
This article seems to be written by someone close to the subject or the subject himself, and seems rather an exercise in self-promotion and self-justification. It reads like promotional campaign/political literature, justifying the point of view and actions of the Dr and also trying to present him in some sort of 'messianic' light (eg an alleged meeting with the prophet Muhammad in a dream and trying to relate some sort of special significance to this, to make the Dr seem something special) and so on. I really think this should be really drastically pruned and edited and all such spurious claims and the obvious bias removed, by competent neutral editors. Thanks. 39.54.21.210 ( talk) 11:15, 30 January 2015 (UTC)Prof (r) Hilda Khan, Pakistan
The article has highly slanted and needs cleanup of honorifics and dubious sources. Also the irrelevant rants in talks pages by unprofessional Pakistani Wikipedians can take up data!!! Messiaindarain ( talk) 06:44, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
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A lot of appropriately referenced content which was neutral and added to the richness of page content has been totally removed not just from the page but also from the edit history. Why do wikipedia editors have a strong inclination to remove content from this page? If they have issues why cannot they address individual problems one by one instead of completely deleting the content? Is this what wikipedia stands for? Isn`t this supposed to be a collaborative platform? If yes, then the editors should point out the errors and correct them if they can instead of deleting the whole content and reducing the page to a dismal account of an influential persons life. I`ll edit the page again and expect the editors to show a mature understanding and settle the differences and errors by debate, this is what the talk page is about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanialAhmedSheikh ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
This is a notification for the editors. The official website of Minhaj ul Quran has given express permission on their website for the usage of content and images for wikipedia. The permission has been given on this link http://www.minhaj.org/english/tid/455/Notification-on-Copyrights-by-Minhaj-ul-Quran-International.html#Wikipedia . So kindly make use of it. (Danial 22:40, 20 August 2016 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanialAhmedSheikh ( talk • contribs)
User CatcherStorm recently reverted the changes I made to the page under the pretext of copyright violation, the above mentioned link clarifies that fact that Minhaj ul Quran International has given express permission for the usage of content and images. I request user CatcherStorm to kindly undo his revert. I take it that the user must have reverted my changes under good faith. However the issue has been resolved now , therefore undo the changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanialAhmedSheikh ( talk • contribs) 23:08, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
I do not understand what issue editors have with this page, everytime there is a constructive edit, it is reverted. On every instance the editors have refused to point out errors and instead provide general statements and delete the constructive edits. If there is a problem with a certain section, editors should discuss it here instead of removing it completely and reverting the page to a version where information is not just weak but false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanialAhmedSheikh ( talk • contribs) 10:10, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
The long march did not happen in 2012, it happened in January 2013. Dr. Qadri came back to Pakistan and held a large public gathering on December 23rd, 2012 in Lahore which was the background event for the long march. Moreover the Longmarch 2012 section says "he has won 20 seats in that march". This is completely wrong as PAT did not even contest the elections of 2013 instead they launched the Vote for None campaign. Need to add a separate section to represent this fairly. Danial 10:13, 21 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanialAhmedSheikh ( talk • contribs)
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