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Isn't there a mount in Afghanistan also named Damavand?
Data on first ascent needs referencing. Abjad 21:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Still needs referencing:
Damāvand was climbed by Iranians thousands of years ago, by shepherds and such.
I believe you. Is there evidence? Haakondahl 13:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I updated this info, basing on SummitPost site. The article there references to other sources, which are not available to me. Would be great if someone double-checked it. Emesik ( talk) 18:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
In most records the elevation of Mount Damavand is 5671m, if you serch "Damavand 5671" you will see hundreds of thoes. http://www.summitpost.org/image/326701//damavand-5671m.html I give you some examples: http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=17099
I was there yesterday (5th July 2020), and my GPS (maps me) gave me 5606m and not more. Circling the crater I got one other elevation of 5611m.
http://www.hommes-et-montagnes.fr/pages/voyage-iran-monts-elbourz-et-ascension-du-damavand-(5671m).htm http://www.mountain-bookshop.de/de/dept_978.html http://alpinum.at/viewtopic.php?t=1687 http://pagesperso-orange.fr/toulaho/damavand/damavand2.htm http://www.zone-2000.net/arhiv/05/240damav/doc11.htm http://pagesperso-orange.fr/toulaho/damavand/damavand2.htm http://alpinum.at/viewtopic.php?t=1687 http://www.diamir.de/reseller.php? .... Do you need moor facts to beleive that the Damavand elevation is more than 5610 m ?!
Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.198.61.94 ( talk) 09:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
-Usually the facts and figures by Statistical Centre of Iran is not so accurate and reliable.
-Your extrnal link1 is broken ,if you mean this Mt.Damavand GPS measurement link [1], it does state that Damavand elevation could be up to 5660m which is much higher than 5610m and it is not a copy of the traditional elevation, but the latest measurement 31 Aug 2007 .
-We better believe on more accurate and relaiable sourses like NASA [2] , which indicates the elevation of Mt.Damavand is 5670m.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.198.52.186 ( talk) 11:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
It is not so fair to use the expression like "The most frequently given elevation on the web, 5,671 m, is definitely wrong" in the footnotes [3] , it sounds that you would like to dictate your words to wikipedia , and by deleting others posts it means you do not like to listen to any other views !! I believe that we should have the right to answer your post in any page you comment about Mount Damavand Elevation, otherwise it looks like a censorship media and not the Wikipedia ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.198.52.124 ( talk) 15:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me when and how Mount Damavand was measured at 5671 metres? It was measured at much closer to the official 5610 metres by a Norwegian professor and GPS expert in 2007. Viewfinder ( talk) 15:47, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
The 5671 metre elevation for Damavand is one of many old and inaccurate measurements that have been disproved by modern GPS measurements, but, like viruses, continue to get reproduced on the internet by authors, including authors who work for NASA and the CIA, who copy each other but supply no primary sources. These elevations should not by supported by Wikipedia. If we incorporate 5671m into the infobox, we will have to restore inaccurate values to many other mountain infoboxes, that would not be right. Still, there may be a case for making the footnote more neutral. On the specific subject of Damavand, I think there may be some vested interest in the claim that Damavand is higher than nearby and similar Mount Elbrus. Viewfinder ( talk) 09:27, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I have checked for further GPS readings from the summit.
The third site strongly upholds the 5671m reading but gives no primary source; the NASA sources are not primary and have been copied from other sources by NASA employees. NASA's SRTM and ASTER data are both consistent with the official 5610m. The average of the two readings is closer to 5610m than 5671m.
So we have 4 GPS readings: 5623m, 5626m, 5630m and 5645m. The first three are in fairly close agreement; the fourth is out of line. The first suggests that there is a consistent 10m error in the geoid model used by hand held GPS devices in this area, implicitly upholding the official 5610m.
The 5610m can no longer be found at http://www.sci.org.ir/portal/faces/public/sci_en/sci_en.Glance/sci_en.land, this is now dead but still appears on this official site. I cannot find any geographic information at the new ISI site. Viewfinder ( talk) 12:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I have checked Wikipedia in several other languages, and almost all of them have accepted 5610m and hence the reliability of the given sources. Please don't let's revert to 5671m, which is less compatible with the GPS readings given at [4] than 5610m. The 5645m GPS reading claimed by the above link is out of line with 3 other GPS readings and should therefore be regarded as suspect. Viewfinder ( talk) 16:49, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Based on my own measurement, 5610 meters is 100% wrong. Surely it is 5671 meters. Farhoudk ( talk) 11:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
I've full protected the article for three days due to the ongoing edit war. Please discuss the issue instead of continually reverting. Mark Arsten ( talk) 22:34, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
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Please convert this false and shameless information of damavand elevation to the correct and new elevation that's NASA and so many competent organizations that have been calculate that .
(( 5610m is false and 5671m is correct ))
Horamantarh ( talk) 12:23, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Damavand
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/debrief/Iss010/topFiles/ISS010-E-13393.htm
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=5267
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080503.html
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are those sufficient for converting the false information to reliable information ????!!!!
-- Horamantarh ( talk) 12:14, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Dear viewfinder
all of viewers see our reasons and decide that what's of them are true ( your opinion or reliable sources!! ) , your main source that you appointed your reasons on it is this link that be named with you ((( official Iranian site ))) and linked to this site : ((( http://iranembassy.com.my/en/?page_id=15 )))
But this is only one of the iranian embassy's sites in the world and this is iranian embassy site in malaysia !!!!
So please put your other and reliable source links as those links that i put them in up , ((( viewers are smart )))
HoramanTarh
-- Horamantarh ( talk) 11:37, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
After that your main and first link was about informations of iranian embassy in malaysia that any viewers laugh to that i went and saw your other link that is from norwegian professor , do you see that once ?!! this page is about the trips and travels that professor was going to those lands and writes in this page and one of his workes was measuring the elevations without any photoes and registeres or approveds . !! really is this source reliable for finding true information about mountain's elevation of the world or NASA and DAMAWAND and more reliable sites have true informations ??!!
Yes we see all of the reasons and pay attention to them for knowing TRUTH .
please see again your cited site , (when viewers see that for first time know truth and ...)
-- Horamantarh ( talk) 17:10, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Damavand means in old Persian
It means the "vessle or holder of breath" because it is a volcano. It holds the breath of earth. I am surprised it has not yet been mentioned.
Based on my own measurement, 5610 meters is 100% wrong. Surely it is 5671 meters. Farhoudk ( talk) 11:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
(Copied from User talk:Farhoudk) Hi, I have measured the height of Damavand at west side of the crater and it was well above 5610 meters, in opposition to what is claimed by some sites. As you can see, the author you mentioned has failed to describe the orientation of the highest point at the summit and using words such as left and right are not technical. It is not useful to refer to my measurement or others due to lack of sufficient accuracy. For example, GPS has three times less accuracy in measuring altitude than measuring Lat and Long. This is why I did not mention any altitude for Damavand based on my measurements. The best reference would be NASA observatory data http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=5267 which mentions 5670 meters for Damavand. All the best 19:39, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
What about List of peaks by prominence? With the new elevation (5671 m) Elbrus is no longer the prominence (and dominance) master of Damavand. All prominence-lists tell that Elbrus is the PM of Damavand. -- Watzmann ( talk) 23:21, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I have reverted the elevation back to 5610 in hopes that it will either remain until we get better information, or the change sparks new input from other editors. -- RacerX11 Talk to me Stalk me 21:03, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Despite the protection which was given to the article earlier this year, the edit war has continued. I hope that all concerned will either try to reach agreement, or, perhaps better still, reflect on whether there might be more useful ways of spending their time than quarreling over a discrepancy of a little over 1% in the height of a mountain. If the edit warring continues, options to be considered are placing blocks for a considerable time (not just a day or two) on any editor taking part, and protecting the article for a much longer time. The latter will be a last resort, to be avoided if possible, because it will inconvenience legitimate editors as well as the edit-warriors, so blocking editors will be a preferable option. JamesBWatson ( talk)
A new survey of top Damavand on July 3rd 2016, using a hand held GNSS : A French / Iranian team (of surveyors and others) has reached an agreement with NCC to collaborate with scientific GNSS receivers (Leica 1200) and personnel for the measurement of top Damavand with hours recording, base line processing and network adjustment (centimetre to decimetre level accuracy achievable). Due to further changes in this authorization, and probable conflict with some Iranian bodies involved in, this agreement was not valid any more. Top of Damavand has been then surveyed using a Garmin GPSMAP 64st GNSS (GPS+GLONASS), 12 GPS and 8 GLONASS were in view. The elevation was reduced to the AIRGeoid 2010 model (Adjusted Gravimetric geoid at GPS/Levelling points as a new Vertical Reference Surface for Iran) provided by NCC. The result : 5625 m, with an estimated standard deviation of 3 m. Previoulsly, top of Alamkuh has been surveyed as well, with a result of 4840 m. Bernard Flacelière, Senior Surveyor retired, Chief Editor of XYZ journal of French Association of Surveying. BernardFlaceliere ( talk) 13:56, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Having got in touch with NCC with regard to our Mount Damavand survey July 3rd, I may now publish the result of the NCC survey performed in 2006. This is not confidential as already published on numerous Iranian web sites dedicated to mountaineering and climbing (see here below). The published elevation is : 5609.2 m. The discrepancy with our 5625 result may come from the uncertainties in geoid model used in the reduction of ellipsoidal heights. By BernardFlaceliere ( talk) 09:30, 4 August 2016 (UTC) Reference, one Iranian web site as an example: http://iranclimbingguide.com/
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Isn't there a mount in Afghanistan also named Damavand?
Data on first ascent needs referencing. Abjad 21:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Still needs referencing:
Damāvand was climbed by Iranians thousands of years ago, by shepherds and such.
I believe you. Is there evidence? Haakondahl 13:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I updated this info, basing on SummitPost site. The article there references to other sources, which are not available to me. Would be great if someone double-checked it. Emesik ( talk) 18:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
In most records the elevation of Mount Damavand is 5671m, if you serch "Damavand 5671" you will see hundreds of thoes. http://www.summitpost.org/image/326701//damavand-5671m.html I give you some examples: http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=17099
I was there yesterday (5th July 2020), and my GPS (maps me) gave me 5606m and not more. Circling the crater I got one other elevation of 5611m.
http://www.hommes-et-montagnes.fr/pages/voyage-iran-monts-elbourz-et-ascension-du-damavand-(5671m).htm http://www.mountain-bookshop.de/de/dept_978.html http://alpinum.at/viewtopic.php?t=1687 http://pagesperso-orange.fr/toulaho/damavand/damavand2.htm http://www.zone-2000.net/arhiv/05/240damav/doc11.htm http://pagesperso-orange.fr/toulaho/damavand/damavand2.htm http://alpinum.at/viewtopic.php?t=1687 http://www.diamir.de/reseller.php? .... Do you need moor facts to beleive that the Damavand elevation is more than 5610 m ?!
Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.198.61.94 ( talk) 09:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
-Usually the facts and figures by Statistical Centre of Iran is not so accurate and reliable.
-Your extrnal link1 is broken ,if you mean this Mt.Damavand GPS measurement link [1], it does state that Damavand elevation could be up to 5660m which is much higher than 5610m and it is not a copy of the traditional elevation, but the latest measurement 31 Aug 2007 .
-We better believe on more accurate and relaiable sourses like NASA [2] , which indicates the elevation of Mt.Damavand is 5670m.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.198.52.186 ( talk) 11:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
It is not so fair to use the expression like "The most frequently given elevation on the web, 5,671 m, is definitely wrong" in the footnotes [3] , it sounds that you would like to dictate your words to wikipedia , and by deleting others posts it means you do not like to listen to any other views !! I believe that we should have the right to answer your post in any page you comment about Mount Damavand Elevation, otherwise it looks like a censorship media and not the Wikipedia ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.198.52.124 ( talk) 15:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me when and how Mount Damavand was measured at 5671 metres? It was measured at much closer to the official 5610 metres by a Norwegian professor and GPS expert in 2007. Viewfinder ( talk) 15:47, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
The 5671 metre elevation for Damavand is one of many old and inaccurate measurements that have been disproved by modern GPS measurements, but, like viruses, continue to get reproduced on the internet by authors, including authors who work for NASA and the CIA, who copy each other but supply no primary sources. These elevations should not by supported by Wikipedia. If we incorporate 5671m into the infobox, we will have to restore inaccurate values to many other mountain infoboxes, that would not be right. Still, there may be a case for making the footnote more neutral. On the specific subject of Damavand, I think there may be some vested interest in the claim that Damavand is higher than nearby and similar Mount Elbrus. Viewfinder ( talk) 09:27, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I have checked for further GPS readings from the summit.
The third site strongly upholds the 5671m reading but gives no primary source; the NASA sources are not primary and have been copied from other sources by NASA employees. NASA's SRTM and ASTER data are both consistent with the official 5610m. The average of the two readings is closer to 5610m than 5671m.
So we have 4 GPS readings: 5623m, 5626m, 5630m and 5645m. The first three are in fairly close agreement; the fourth is out of line. The first suggests that there is a consistent 10m error in the geoid model used by hand held GPS devices in this area, implicitly upholding the official 5610m.
The 5610m can no longer be found at http://www.sci.org.ir/portal/faces/public/sci_en/sci_en.Glance/sci_en.land, this is now dead but still appears on this official site. I cannot find any geographic information at the new ISI site. Viewfinder ( talk) 12:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I have checked Wikipedia in several other languages, and almost all of them have accepted 5610m and hence the reliability of the given sources. Please don't let's revert to 5671m, which is less compatible with the GPS readings given at [4] than 5610m. The 5645m GPS reading claimed by the above link is out of line with 3 other GPS readings and should therefore be regarded as suspect. Viewfinder ( talk) 16:49, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Based on my own measurement, 5610 meters is 100% wrong. Surely it is 5671 meters. Farhoudk ( talk) 11:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
I've full protected the article for three days due to the ongoing edit war. Please discuss the issue instead of continually reverting. Mark Arsten ( talk) 22:34, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
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Please convert this false and shameless information of damavand elevation to the correct and new elevation that's NASA and so many competent organizations that have been calculate that .
(( 5610m is false and 5671m is correct ))
Horamantarh ( talk) 12:23, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Damavand
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/debrief/Iss010/topFiles/ISS010-E-13393.htm
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=5267
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080503.html
+ ....
are those sufficient for converting the false information to reliable information ????!!!!
-- Horamantarh ( talk) 12:14, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Dear viewfinder
all of viewers see our reasons and decide that what's of them are true ( your opinion or reliable sources!! ) , your main source that you appointed your reasons on it is this link that be named with you ((( official Iranian site ))) and linked to this site : ((( http://iranembassy.com.my/en/?page_id=15 )))
But this is only one of the iranian embassy's sites in the world and this is iranian embassy site in malaysia !!!!
So please put your other and reliable source links as those links that i put them in up , ((( viewers are smart )))
HoramanTarh
-- Horamantarh ( talk) 11:37, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
After that your main and first link was about informations of iranian embassy in malaysia that any viewers laugh to that i went and saw your other link that is from norwegian professor , do you see that once ?!! this page is about the trips and travels that professor was going to those lands and writes in this page and one of his workes was measuring the elevations without any photoes and registeres or approveds . !! really is this source reliable for finding true information about mountain's elevation of the world or NASA and DAMAWAND and more reliable sites have true informations ??!!
Yes we see all of the reasons and pay attention to them for knowing TRUTH .
please see again your cited site , (when viewers see that for first time know truth and ...)
-- Horamantarh ( talk) 17:10, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Damavand means in old Persian
It means the "vessle or holder of breath" because it is a volcano. It holds the breath of earth. I am surprised it has not yet been mentioned.
Based on my own measurement, 5610 meters is 100% wrong. Surely it is 5671 meters. Farhoudk ( talk) 11:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
(Copied from User talk:Farhoudk) Hi, I have measured the height of Damavand at west side of the crater and it was well above 5610 meters, in opposition to what is claimed by some sites. As you can see, the author you mentioned has failed to describe the orientation of the highest point at the summit and using words such as left and right are not technical. It is not useful to refer to my measurement or others due to lack of sufficient accuracy. For example, GPS has three times less accuracy in measuring altitude than measuring Lat and Long. This is why I did not mention any altitude for Damavand based on my measurements. The best reference would be NASA observatory data http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=5267 which mentions 5670 meters for Damavand. All the best 19:39, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
What about List of peaks by prominence? With the new elevation (5671 m) Elbrus is no longer the prominence (and dominance) master of Damavand. All prominence-lists tell that Elbrus is the PM of Damavand. -- Watzmann ( talk) 23:21, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I have reverted the elevation back to 5610 in hopes that it will either remain until we get better information, or the change sparks new input from other editors. -- RacerX11 Talk to me Stalk me 21:03, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Despite the protection which was given to the article earlier this year, the edit war has continued. I hope that all concerned will either try to reach agreement, or, perhaps better still, reflect on whether there might be more useful ways of spending their time than quarreling over a discrepancy of a little over 1% in the height of a mountain. If the edit warring continues, options to be considered are placing blocks for a considerable time (not just a day or two) on any editor taking part, and protecting the article for a much longer time. The latter will be a last resort, to be avoided if possible, because it will inconvenience legitimate editors as well as the edit-warriors, so blocking editors will be a preferable option. JamesBWatson ( talk)
A new survey of top Damavand on July 3rd 2016, using a hand held GNSS : A French / Iranian team (of surveyors and others) has reached an agreement with NCC to collaborate with scientific GNSS receivers (Leica 1200) and personnel for the measurement of top Damavand with hours recording, base line processing and network adjustment (centimetre to decimetre level accuracy achievable). Due to further changes in this authorization, and probable conflict with some Iranian bodies involved in, this agreement was not valid any more. Top of Damavand has been then surveyed using a Garmin GPSMAP 64st GNSS (GPS+GLONASS), 12 GPS and 8 GLONASS were in view. The elevation was reduced to the AIRGeoid 2010 model (Adjusted Gravimetric geoid at GPS/Levelling points as a new Vertical Reference Surface for Iran) provided by NCC. The result : 5625 m, with an estimated standard deviation of 3 m. Previoulsly, top of Alamkuh has been surveyed as well, with a result of 4840 m. Bernard Flacelière, Senior Surveyor retired, Chief Editor of XYZ journal of French Association of Surveying. BernardFlaceliere ( talk) 13:56, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Having got in touch with NCC with regard to our Mount Damavand survey July 3rd, I may now publish the result of the NCC survey performed in 2006. This is not confidential as already published on numerous Iranian web sites dedicated to mountaineering and climbing (see here below). The published elevation is : 5609.2 m. The discrepancy with our 5625 result may come from the uncertainties in geoid model used in the reduction of ellipsoidal heights. By BernardFlaceliere ( talk) 09:30, 4 August 2016 (UTC) Reference, one Iranian web site as an example: http://iranclimbingguide.com/
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What's the source for Damavand last erupted in 5300 BC? Aminabzz ( talk) 11:54, 15 November 2022 (UTC)