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-- Dbratland ( talk) 19:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
For the next day or two I have a workpage up for the next major series of edits I'm doing. Edits and comments by all are of course welcome.-- Dbratland ( talk) 20:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Most of this page is very US-centric. Captions of photos from any other country would name the country as well as the state - why not here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.51.251.198 ( talk) 17:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was moved. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:44, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Motorcyclist training → Motorcycle training — As per WP:COMMONNAME
In the state of Florida alone, there are no less than 43 organizations with the phrase "motorcycle training" right in their name. Not one uses "motorcyclist training." At DMOZ.org "motorcycle training" is used 17 times in the names of schools, or in their description of what they do. "Motorcyclist training" is used not once. Try searching for "computer training" at Google or DMOZ too, just for kicks. It's not a kind of Machine learning. I can see how one might wish to reengineer the English language and make improvements, but Wikipedia does not practice prescriptive linguistics, but rather follows mainstream definitions. As per Wikipedia:Search engine test, this is a question of usage, not neutrality, and usage wins.
If some authority were to publish a grammar lesson on the topic of motorcyclist vs motorcycle training, we could mention it briefly in the article, however.-- Dbratland ( talk) 17:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
We are not going to move Bicycle helmet to Bicyclist's helmet, nor Motorcycle helmet to Motorcyclist's helmet, nor Film school to Filmmaker's school. Or Flight training to Flier training. Or Sail training to Sailor training. Or Altitude training to, um, I don't even know what you would move Altitude training to. All of these moves would be silly, and not demanded by English grammar. And, as Tedder says, Wikipedia would still keep them even if they were grammatically wrong. But they're not grammatically incorrect. -- Dbratland ( talk) 22:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Rated this C/Mid. It'd probably get higher than a 'C' but it has major omissions outside of the MSF/police programs- even in the USA, that leaves much out ( Team Oregon, anyone?).. let alone outside of the USA. tedder ( talk) 23:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The Army National Guard lead image is clearly much superior to any others on the page, except possibly the police motorcyclists. It's superior because it shows action rather than mostly static, stationary subjects, and because the motion blur and short depth of field give a better sense of dimension than the very flat Australian image. The Australian image is also not very high resolution, and it is not very sharp; probably taken with a low quality camera. The ANG image was actually released by public affairs officer and taken by a professional photographer, and it shows.
Both images illustrate rider training and are perfectly suited to being a lead, but the lead should also be interesting and serve to draw the reader into the article. Bland leads with unprofessional photos are not helpful. --
Dbratland (
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I almost forgot: It's also tacky to have a large Honda logo at the top of the page. --
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-- Dbratland ( talk) 19:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
For the next day or two I have a workpage up for the next major series of edits I'm doing. Edits and comments by all are of course welcome.-- Dbratland ( talk) 20:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Most of this page is very US-centric. Captions of photos from any other country would name the country as well as the state - why not here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.51.251.198 ( talk) 17:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was moved. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:44, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Motorcyclist training → Motorcycle training — As per WP:COMMONNAME
In the state of Florida alone, there are no less than 43 organizations with the phrase "motorcycle training" right in their name. Not one uses "motorcyclist training." At DMOZ.org "motorcycle training" is used 17 times in the names of schools, or in their description of what they do. "Motorcyclist training" is used not once. Try searching for "computer training" at Google or DMOZ too, just for kicks. It's not a kind of Machine learning. I can see how one might wish to reengineer the English language and make improvements, but Wikipedia does not practice prescriptive linguistics, but rather follows mainstream definitions. As per Wikipedia:Search engine test, this is a question of usage, not neutrality, and usage wins.
If some authority were to publish a grammar lesson on the topic of motorcyclist vs motorcycle training, we could mention it briefly in the article, however.-- Dbratland ( talk) 17:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
We are not going to move Bicycle helmet to Bicyclist's helmet, nor Motorcycle helmet to Motorcyclist's helmet, nor Film school to Filmmaker's school. Or Flight training to Flier training. Or Sail training to Sailor training. Or Altitude training to, um, I don't even know what you would move Altitude training to. All of these moves would be silly, and not demanded by English grammar. And, as Tedder says, Wikipedia would still keep them even if they were grammatically wrong. But they're not grammatically incorrect. -- Dbratland ( talk) 22:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Rated this C/Mid. It'd probably get higher than a 'C' but it has major omissions outside of the MSF/police programs- even in the USA, that leaves much out ( Team Oregon, anyone?).. let alone outside of the USA. tedder ( talk) 23:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The Army National Guard lead image is clearly much superior to any others on the page, except possibly the police motorcyclists. It's superior because it shows action rather than mostly static, stationary subjects, and because the motion blur and short depth of field give a better sense of dimension than the very flat Australian image. The Australian image is also not very high resolution, and it is not very sharp; probably taken with a low quality camera. The ANG image was actually released by public affairs officer and taken by a professional photographer, and it shows.
Both images illustrate rider training and are perfectly suited to being a lead, but the lead should also be interesting and serve to draw the reader into the article. Bland leads with unprofessional photos are not helpful. --
Dbratland (
talk) 17:33, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I almost forgot: It's also tacky to have a large Honda logo at the top of the page. --
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