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Indrid Cold seems to be strongly tied in to the Mothman legend, particularly in the context of John Keel's book. Searching Wikipedia for Cold leads here - but the article doesn't seem to mention him/her/it/whatever. Does anyone else think it might be worth putting a short section in? I'm no expert but I'm willing to have a shot if no-one better informed feels like it... - Skadus ( talk) 12:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
The only place where Indrid Cold is connected to Mothman in any way is in The Mothman Prophecies. There really should be a seperate article on Indrid Cold, since there is really a lot of interesting stuff about him that has nothing to do with the Mothman [1] 206.116.57.126 ( talk) 10:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps we should start out by giving him a section in this entry, and then perhaps moving him to his own article in the near future. He is definitely one of the most fascinating and mysterious figures in Keel's book, if not in all UFO/cryptid/contemporary paranormal lore, and since his name redirects here it only makes sense... Wormwoodpoppies ( talk) 00:31, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I say we make a seperate article for Indrid Cold. While Keel does discuss him in The Mothman Prophesies, the Cold incidents are noteworthy in and of themselves. Flag-Waving American Patriot ( talk) 21:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
On Vyzygoth's Beyond the Grassy Knoll radio show, Andy Colvin and Allen Greenfield discussed how they had found Indrid Cold's actual home in Midway, WV, which was on land once owned by George Washington. It was also the same area from which the soldiers who killed Chief Cornstalk had planned their raid, which effectively instigated the "Mothman Curse." There is mention of it in Colvin's third book, The Mothman's Photographer III (see Amazon). You might want to add that to the book list, as well as Gray Barker's "Silver Bridge" and Jeff Wamsley's "Mothman: Behind the Red Eyes." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.161.219 ( talk) 19:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello. There's a paragraph that either has a mistake or requires a little additional information. [Before I continue, let me say I'm relatively new to having a Wikipedia account. I've successfully made a small (but necessary & helpful) grammatical edit to an article, but this is my first foray into Editing Talk. If I do anything out of order I'd actually appreciate having it brought to my attention here. If so, as the Talk Editing guidelines caution, "Please do not bite the newcomers" & "assume it was an unwitting mistake." :)] Under the 'November 16' heading, the narrative jumps from being 'en route in their car' to 'heading back to their car' without explanation. It's either a mistake or requires a little additional information (or something). Thanks. Missy2468 ( talk) 05:51, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
{{
editsemiprotected}}
Typo-fix.
Replace: Cryptoozology
With: Cryptozoology —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maalobs ( talk • contribs) 19:26, 23 September 2008
You might think this is something unimportant, but I'd like to note here that no one has ever said they saw it (Mothman's) feet. Anyone know how to incorporate this into the article? 76.173.217.110 ( talk) 19:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
One explanation for the sitings of 'Mothman' having no feet is that possibly many of the sightings of 'Mothman' were in fact sightings of U.S. Military Personnel looking for Mothman. The descriptions of some Mothman sightings bear heavy resemblance to American Infantry Soldiers in heavy camouflage clothing. Even the 'Beady Red Eyes' which Mothman was said to have sound like American Infantry Infra Red Night vision equipment of the time. Johnwrd ( talk) 01:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
This... "a simple analysis of Keel's earliest Mothman book, Strange Mutants: Demon Dogs and Phantom Cats (1970) shows almost no difference with what Keel wrote in The Mothman Prophecies five years later." ...seems like it requires a source. 213.114.237.123 ( talk) 10:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Wiki page says that an explanation for the mothman was that they were actually sandhill cranes as they can grow to 6 feet and have a wingspan of 10 feet, however, on the wiki sandhill crane page their wingspan is listed as only 6 (and a half?) feet and other websites say it can only grow to about 4 1/2 feet. conspiracy?! hehe. wouldve changed it but its locked. anyone help me out? 78.150.9.181 ( talk) 01:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
The information on Sandhill Cranes was completely inaccurate and biased towards a skeptic's position. The wiki page indicates no maximum wingspan or height, but does state the average wingspan of 5.3 feet and 39 inches in length. According to research outside of wiki, no figure exists of 10 feet wingspans or 6.5 feet in height. The Sandhill Crane is on average only 6 to 12lbs, yet the information on this page was misleading to the point of suggesting an animal of the proportions of an ostrich or other large bird. As such, I have altered this information to reflect the Sandhill Crane's wiki page. Gypsyjazzbo ( talk) 04:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Paranormal research labs in private firms conducted research in these cases. To my knowledge, there are connections to mothman concerning e.v.p., Serpent and the Rainbow, e.s.p., and displaced energies. hauntings, disc.: no lie. paradoxic tempest. see you in time ***** 75.200.252.164 ( talk) 20:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I put three totally verifiable Mothman books into the book section on April 18th (Barker's "Silver Bridge," Colvin's "Mothman's Photographer III," and Wamsley's "Mothman: Behind the Red Eyes" but they were removed by someone with no explanation. I am putting them back in if it is OK. I don't know much about the ins and outs of Wikipedia, but I do no know that these are real Mothman books and should be included in the bibliography. If whoever took them out would like to discuss it, please do. Also, Woody Derenberger's Visitors From Lanulos should be included as well fyi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.161.219 ( talk) 06:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
While not wanting to sound too cynical, the Hoax explination seems most likely for Mothman. Springheel Jack was without doubt a character played by a number of pranksters over a period of time. Mothman seems to be a character played by a number of pranksters. The real mystery is how they evaded detection for so long. Johnwrd ( talk) 00:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I heard the Mothman was claimed to have been spotted before and during the 9/11 attacks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murdock129 ( talk • contribs) 02:40, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Please translate text from this page and add it to this article. It says that there are hundreds of whitnesses who have seen Mothman in Serbia at 2005. Some old woman also describes him at 1995. There is also 2008. picture of Mothman in Serbia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.20.27 ( talk) 12:33, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
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It is strange that academic Jan Harold Brunvand's observations about Mothman folklore is being identified as "skeptical" by being relegated to the Skeptical section. In the case of legendary creatures, the idea that the creature is real should not be given equal validity. I suggest moving it to a "folklore" section in the very least. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 19:30, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I may not know how to navigate Wikipedia, but I know a lot about Mothman. So, please don't call my attempt to fix an obvious misstatement about Mothman as vandalism. I will gladly send you links to the appropriate sources, so that you can post yourself. This will show that you have a genuine interest in correctly describing the Mothman situation. I have applied for a user account on Wikipedia and look forward to working with you to make the Mothman page something that accurately reflects the case. 71.217.12.203 ( talk) 20:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
You may not be aware of this, but the manipulation of Mothman on Wikipedia has long been the subject of controversy on the Mothmanlives discussion list (now not very active, due to its being on Yahoo) and on Mothy Talk on Facebook. A lot of people are watching to see if some of the previous citations and researchers that WERE on the page get resinstated, rather than the host of skeptics now listed there. It is really is tragedy, what has been done to this page. So much work tossed out, and for what? 71.217.12.203 ( talk) 20:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Please describe what you consider a credible source. Western Fortean ( talk) 23:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
How can you have a source, reliable or otherwise, for something that isn't real to begin with, it's like haveing a reliable source for Father Christmas or The Tooth Fairy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.188.214.245 ( talk) 15:48, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
It would not seem to really matter whether or not further reports after 1967 can be "proven" or not, since the original ones weren't proven either, other than someone having reported them. There are several other reports out there since 1967, which were reported in the same manner as the original ones. Also, the experts that are now being cited on the page are not independent, each having a vested interest in a particular (entirely skeptical or debunking) point of view. Western Fortean ( talk) 23:11, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Your edits of Aug. 21st are particular disturbing. Would you happen to be Loren Coleman? Western Fortean ( talk) 01:31, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Folks, this article has long had a problem with not identifying academic studies versus pseudoscientific nonsense. We need to be a lot more careful with this going forward here. I've made some adjustments where necessary to identify pseudoscience versus academia. :bloodofox: ( talk) 19:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
You can't say that because something is rare it's unlikely to happen, and then go on to say that something is likely even though it's unlikely. that's just not how consistency works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:405:8402:ABB0:B5FD:6A0A:88E5:1275 ( talk) 03:43, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Economics, Sociology, and Psychology are technically pseudosciences, and those comments aren't tagged with pseudoscience, so cryptozoology shouldn't be either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:405:8402:ABB0:B5FD:6A0A:88E5:1275 ( talk) 03:38, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Somebody inserted a tag at the top of the article requesting it be expanded using the Polish article as a source. After reviewing the Polish article I can’t agree. It’s full of fringe crypto zoology sources and unreliable personal websites. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 20:38, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
Here's some sources-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 20:57, 18 August 2018 (UTC):
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cite book}}
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help)My recent edit has been removed. I can see the point, and I apologize for not having done sufficient research prior to editing the Wikipedia.
That said, there's more than just an English blog to back up my contribution. The story has originally appeared in 2002, in a Russian-language Georgian newspaper "Свободная Грузия". There's a Russian Wikipedia entry for that newspaper and it has a website.
Currently the access to that specific article is paywalled, but its content has been shared by other resources, as well. I have verified that the paywalled source does indeed contain the story which was posted in the second link. If you want to prove that, you could either spend 19$, go to a library, or send me an email and I will send you the full text of the paywalled source. Long story short, it contains multiple entries including the one of interest.
So, if the reliability of the source was the only reason to undo my edit, I guess, the information can be now put back into the article. Document hippo ( talk) 17:35, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
I would have to question the "See Also" link, leading to the wikipedia page for "Mothra" ([ [2]]). Neither page contains a mention of the other (and, to my knowledge, there is nothing related between the two other than the "moth" in their names), aside from the "See Also" links.
This would also question the corresponding "See Also" link on the "Mothra" page.
Ballpark frank ( talk) 07:05, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Have there been any semi-recent Mothman sightings, like in the past few years, or even decade? Kakashilover7 ( talk) 00:02, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
So, on the popular culture side, the online game Fallout 76 takes place in West Virginia, and has the Mothman museum, Mothman themed power armor, Mothman statues, and more. I'm not comfortable with adding it myself as I am not sure of the whole Wikipedia guidelines on popular culture additions on pages like this, so what do others think? Also, for full reference of how Mothman is presented in Fallout 76 (for citing purposes, most of this is sourced directly from the game itself, you can check out https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Mothman AbsolutGrndZer0 ( talk) 05:41, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Is it a good idea to add this image to the article?
Triangulum ( talk) 01:43, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
The header for the “festival and statue” section of this page isn't quite accurate. The Mothman Museum and Research Center is also mentioned in this section which isn’t reflected in the heading. In my opinion, it would be worthwhile to change the header include the museum. Another viable option would be to change the header to something more comprehensive such as "Arts and Culture" or "Attractions." A characteristic of the statue that would be worth mentioning is that it boasts a live 24-hour "Mothcam" enabling people to visit from anywhere at any time. I think these minor changes would provide a more complete view of the impact of the Mothman legend in the community of Point Pleasant West Virginia. PaulOnionsAuntie ( talk) 17:45, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
I removed material added and cited to a self published book by Mothman Press and Museum operator Jeff Wamsley that promotes a credulous and sensationalized narrative [3]. Not a WP:FRIND source. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 16:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
@ LuckyLouie: As a non-native English speaker, I am always glad when my grammar is improved. However, your does not make me totally lucky, for the following reasons: The name Mothman was used in the local media quite from the very beginning, see for example here and here in The Herald-Dispatch. So, when there is a source claiming "As the story spread beyond West Virginia, other newspapers coined new names... One Midwest editor apparently decided to name it after one of the villains - "Killer Moth" - from the then popular Batman TV show", we know from the facts that this is not to be taken at face value. Further, it remains a fact that also Batman himself is credited as an influence. Overall, I think it is legit to tell the readers of the many names used for the creature in an explicit way. So, I would like to restore the section, with some adaptions, but in principle as it was. -- KnightMove ( talk) 18:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
"Further, it remains a fact that also Batman himself is credited as an influence".The book The Encyclopedia of Vampires, Werewolves, and Other Monsters does say it was named after Batman, however this is likely a truncated summary of the Batman enemy Killer Moth, and is conflicted by other, more reliable sources. Note that author Rosemary Ellen Guiley is a well known WP:FRINGE proponent and not considered an authoritative source by Wikipedia. Best regards, - LuckyLouie ( talk) 20:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
For the benefit of anyone who wants to edit this article (I won't be signing on as an editor myself because the behaviour of some of your more obsessive and less pleasant long-time editors makes trying to edit articles on topics like this a pointless waste of time for anyone who isn't truly passionate about the subject, and/or at least borderline autistic), the connection between Batman and Mothman seems to be this.
Batman's comic-book adversary Killer Moth has been around under various aliases since 1951, but he was always one of the many obscure Batman baddies most people have never heard of, and his only connection with the sixties TV series was to appear in a 15-minute pilot shot as test footage for new character Batgirl that was never aired. His costume does include wings, but otherwise its bright colours are a very poor fit with the reported appearance of the dark, shadowy Point Pleasant bogeyman. And he was never actually called Mothman, so he isn't very likely to have been the direct inspiration for the nickname.
On the other hand, here's a quote from Chapter 12 of Gray Barker's 1970 book "The Silver Bridge", which, though far less well-known than John Keel's "The Mothman Prophecies", predates it by 5 years and was the first book-length treatment of these events. Although marketed as non-fiction, it includes numerous passages that are clearly very fictional indeed, so it's hardly the most reliable of sources. But I think it's reasonable to assume he's telling the truth about not particularly fantastical details such as this:
"The phone rang. It was Channel 13, Huntington, whose news editor had already seen the brief AP item, and was trying to get the whole story. They carried the “Batman” TV show, and had coined a name for the bird-like creature, as a promo for the series. They thought “Mothman” might be a good appellation."
So there you go: it was a catchy nickname directly inspired by the Batman TV show, and not at all by the D-list Batman supporting character Killer Moth, whose vague similarity to Mothman appears to be purely coincidental. I hope this will be helpful to anyone who fancies having an edit-war with those nasty little boys who have successfully dissuaded people like me from wasting our time trying to improve Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.29.155 ( talk) 09:05, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
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Indrid Cold seems to be strongly tied in to the Mothman legend, particularly in the context of John Keel's book. Searching Wikipedia for Cold leads here - but the article doesn't seem to mention him/her/it/whatever. Does anyone else think it might be worth putting a short section in? I'm no expert but I'm willing to have a shot if no-one better informed feels like it... - Skadus ( talk) 12:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
The only place where Indrid Cold is connected to Mothman in any way is in The Mothman Prophecies. There really should be a seperate article on Indrid Cold, since there is really a lot of interesting stuff about him that has nothing to do with the Mothman [1] 206.116.57.126 ( talk) 10:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps we should start out by giving him a section in this entry, and then perhaps moving him to his own article in the near future. He is definitely one of the most fascinating and mysterious figures in Keel's book, if not in all UFO/cryptid/contemporary paranormal lore, and since his name redirects here it only makes sense... Wormwoodpoppies ( talk) 00:31, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I say we make a seperate article for Indrid Cold. While Keel does discuss him in The Mothman Prophesies, the Cold incidents are noteworthy in and of themselves. Flag-Waving American Patriot ( talk) 21:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
On Vyzygoth's Beyond the Grassy Knoll radio show, Andy Colvin and Allen Greenfield discussed how they had found Indrid Cold's actual home in Midway, WV, which was on land once owned by George Washington. It was also the same area from which the soldiers who killed Chief Cornstalk had planned their raid, which effectively instigated the "Mothman Curse." There is mention of it in Colvin's third book, The Mothman's Photographer III (see Amazon). You might want to add that to the book list, as well as Gray Barker's "Silver Bridge" and Jeff Wamsley's "Mothman: Behind the Red Eyes." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.161.219 ( talk) 19:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello. There's a paragraph that either has a mistake or requires a little additional information. [Before I continue, let me say I'm relatively new to having a Wikipedia account. I've successfully made a small (but necessary & helpful) grammatical edit to an article, but this is my first foray into Editing Talk. If I do anything out of order I'd actually appreciate having it brought to my attention here. If so, as the Talk Editing guidelines caution, "Please do not bite the newcomers" & "assume it was an unwitting mistake." :)] Under the 'November 16' heading, the narrative jumps from being 'en route in their car' to 'heading back to their car' without explanation. It's either a mistake or requires a little additional information (or something). Thanks. Missy2468 ( talk) 05:51, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
{{
editsemiprotected}}
Typo-fix.
Replace: Cryptoozology
With: Cryptozoology —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maalobs ( talk • contribs) 19:26, 23 September 2008
You might think this is something unimportant, but I'd like to note here that no one has ever said they saw it (Mothman's) feet. Anyone know how to incorporate this into the article? 76.173.217.110 ( talk) 19:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
One explanation for the sitings of 'Mothman' having no feet is that possibly many of the sightings of 'Mothman' were in fact sightings of U.S. Military Personnel looking for Mothman. The descriptions of some Mothman sightings bear heavy resemblance to American Infantry Soldiers in heavy camouflage clothing. Even the 'Beady Red Eyes' which Mothman was said to have sound like American Infantry Infra Red Night vision equipment of the time. Johnwrd ( talk) 01:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
This... "a simple analysis of Keel's earliest Mothman book, Strange Mutants: Demon Dogs and Phantom Cats (1970) shows almost no difference with what Keel wrote in The Mothman Prophecies five years later." ...seems like it requires a source. 213.114.237.123 ( talk) 10:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Wiki page says that an explanation for the mothman was that they were actually sandhill cranes as they can grow to 6 feet and have a wingspan of 10 feet, however, on the wiki sandhill crane page their wingspan is listed as only 6 (and a half?) feet and other websites say it can only grow to about 4 1/2 feet. conspiracy?! hehe. wouldve changed it but its locked. anyone help me out? 78.150.9.181 ( talk) 01:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
The information on Sandhill Cranes was completely inaccurate and biased towards a skeptic's position. The wiki page indicates no maximum wingspan or height, but does state the average wingspan of 5.3 feet and 39 inches in length. According to research outside of wiki, no figure exists of 10 feet wingspans or 6.5 feet in height. The Sandhill Crane is on average only 6 to 12lbs, yet the information on this page was misleading to the point of suggesting an animal of the proportions of an ostrich or other large bird. As such, I have altered this information to reflect the Sandhill Crane's wiki page. Gypsyjazzbo ( talk) 04:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Paranormal research labs in private firms conducted research in these cases. To my knowledge, there are connections to mothman concerning e.v.p., Serpent and the Rainbow, e.s.p., and displaced energies. hauntings, disc.: no lie. paradoxic tempest. see you in time ***** 75.200.252.164 ( talk) 20:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I put three totally verifiable Mothman books into the book section on April 18th (Barker's "Silver Bridge," Colvin's "Mothman's Photographer III," and Wamsley's "Mothman: Behind the Red Eyes" but they were removed by someone with no explanation. I am putting them back in if it is OK. I don't know much about the ins and outs of Wikipedia, but I do no know that these are real Mothman books and should be included in the bibliography. If whoever took them out would like to discuss it, please do. Also, Woody Derenberger's Visitors From Lanulos should be included as well fyi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.161.219 ( talk) 06:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
While not wanting to sound too cynical, the Hoax explination seems most likely for Mothman. Springheel Jack was without doubt a character played by a number of pranksters over a period of time. Mothman seems to be a character played by a number of pranksters. The real mystery is how they evaded detection for so long. Johnwrd ( talk) 00:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I heard the Mothman was claimed to have been spotted before and during the 9/11 attacks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murdock129 ( talk • contribs) 02:40, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Please translate text from this page and add it to this article. It says that there are hundreds of whitnesses who have seen Mothman in Serbia at 2005. Some old woman also describes him at 1995. There is also 2008. picture of Mothman in Serbia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.20.27 ( talk) 12:33, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
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It is strange that academic Jan Harold Brunvand's observations about Mothman folklore is being identified as "skeptical" by being relegated to the Skeptical section. In the case of legendary creatures, the idea that the creature is real should not be given equal validity. I suggest moving it to a "folklore" section in the very least. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 19:30, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I may not know how to navigate Wikipedia, but I know a lot about Mothman. So, please don't call my attempt to fix an obvious misstatement about Mothman as vandalism. I will gladly send you links to the appropriate sources, so that you can post yourself. This will show that you have a genuine interest in correctly describing the Mothman situation. I have applied for a user account on Wikipedia and look forward to working with you to make the Mothman page something that accurately reflects the case. 71.217.12.203 ( talk) 20:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
You may not be aware of this, but the manipulation of Mothman on Wikipedia has long been the subject of controversy on the Mothmanlives discussion list (now not very active, due to its being on Yahoo) and on Mothy Talk on Facebook. A lot of people are watching to see if some of the previous citations and researchers that WERE on the page get resinstated, rather than the host of skeptics now listed there. It is really is tragedy, what has been done to this page. So much work tossed out, and for what? 71.217.12.203 ( talk) 20:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Please describe what you consider a credible source. Western Fortean ( talk) 23:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
How can you have a source, reliable or otherwise, for something that isn't real to begin with, it's like haveing a reliable source for Father Christmas or The Tooth Fairy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.188.214.245 ( talk) 15:48, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
It would not seem to really matter whether or not further reports after 1967 can be "proven" or not, since the original ones weren't proven either, other than someone having reported them. There are several other reports out there since 1967, which were reported in the same manner as the original ones. Also, the experts that are now being cited on the page are not independent, each having a vested interest in a particular (entirely skeptical or debunking) point of view. Western Fortean ( talk) 23:11, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Your edits of Aug. 21st are particular disturbing. Would you happen to be Loren Coleman? Western Fortean ( talk) 01:31, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Folks, this article has long had a problem with not identifying academic studies versus pseudoscientific nonsense. We need to be a lot more careful with this going forward here. I've made some adjustments where necessary to identify pseudoscience versus academia. :bloodofox: ( talk) 19:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
You can't say that because something is rare it's unlikely to happen, and then go on to say that something is likely even though it's unlikely. that's just not how consistency works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:405:8402:ABB0:B5FD:6A0A:88E5:1275 ( talk) 03:43, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Economics, Sociology, and Psychology are technically pseudosciences, and those comments aren't tagged with pseudoscience, so cryptozoology shouldn't be either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:405:8402:ABB0:B5FD:6A0A:88E5:1275 ( talk) 03:38, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Somebody inserted a tag at the top of the article requesting it be expanded using the Polish article as a source. After reviewing the Polish article I can’t agree. It’s full of fringe crypto zoology sources and unreliable personal websites. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 20:38, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
Here's some sources-- Paleface Jack ( talk) 20:57, 18 August 2018 (UTC):
{{
cite book}}
: Invalid |ref=harv
(
help)My recent edit has been removed. I can see the point, and I apologize for not having done sufficient research prior to editing the Wikipedia.
That said, there's more than just an English blog to back up my contribution. The story has originally appeared in 2002, in a Russian-language Georgian newspaper "Свободная Грузия". There's a Russian Wikipedia entry for that newspaper and it has a website.
Currently the access to that specific article is paywalled, but its content has been shared by other resources, as well. I have verified that the paywalled source does indeed contain the story which was posted in the second link. If you want to prove that, you could either spend 19$, go to a library, or send me an email and I will send you the full text of the paywalled source. Long story short, it contains multiple entries including the one of interest.
So, if the reliability of the source was the only reason to undo my edit, I guess, the information can be now put back into the article. Document hippo ( talk) 17:35, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
I would have to question the "See Also" link, leading to the wikipedia page for "Mothra" ([ [2]]). Neither page contains a mention of the other (and, to my knowledge, there is nothing related between the two other than the "moth" in their names), aside from the "See Also" links.
This would also question the corresponding "See Also" link on the "Mothra" page.
Ballpark frank ( talk) 07:05, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Have there been any semi-recent Mothman sightings, like in the past few years, or even decade? Kakashilover7 ( talk) 00:02, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
So, on the popular culture side, the online game Fallout 76 takes place in West Virginia, and has the Mothman museum, Mothman themed power armor, Mothman statues, and more. I'm not comfortable with adding it myself as I am not sure of the whole Wikipedia guidelines on popular culture additions on pages like this, so what do others think? Also, for full reference of how Mothman is presented in Fallout 76 (for citing purposes, most of this is sourced directly from the game itself, you can check out https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Mothman AbsolutGrndZer0 ( talk) 05:41, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Is it a good idea to add this image to the article?
Triangulum ( talk) 01:43, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
The header for the “festival and statue” section of this page isn't quite accurate. The Mothman Museum and Research Center is also mentioned in this section which isn’t reflected in the heading. In my opinion, it would be worthwhile to change the header include the museum. Another viable option would be to change the header to something more comprehensive such as "Arts and Culture" or "Attractions." A characteristic of the statue that would be worth mentioning is that it boasts a live 24-hour "Mothcam" enabling people to visit from anywhere at any time. I think these minor changes would provide a more complete view of the impact of the Mothman legend in the community of Point Pleasant West Virginia. PaulOnionsAuntie ( talk) 17:45, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
I removed material added and cited to a self published book by Mothman Press and Museum operator Jeff Wamsley that promotes a credulous and sensationalized narrative [3]. Not a WP:FRIND source. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 16:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
@ LuckyLouie: As a non-native English speaker, I am always glad when my grammar is improved. However, your does not make me totally lucky, for the following reasons: The name Mothman was used in the local media quite from the very beginning, see for example here and here in The Herald-Dispatch. So, when there is a source claiming "As the story spread beyond West Virginia, other newspapers coined new names... One Midwest editor apparently decided to name it after one of the villains - "Killer Moth" - from the then popular Batman TV show", we know from the facts that this is not to be taken at face value. Further, it remains a fact that also Batman himself is credited as an influence. Overall, I think it is legit to tell the readers of the many names used for the creature in an explicit way. So, I would like to restore the section, with some adaptions, but in principle as it was. -- KnightMove ( talk) 18:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
"Further, it remains a fact that also Batman himself is credited as an influence".The book The Encyclopedia of Vampires, Werewolves, and Other Monsters does say it was named after Batman, however this is likely a truncated summary of the Batman enemy Killer Moth, and is conflicted by other, more reliable sources. Note that author Rosemary Ellen Guiley is a well known WP:FRINGE proponent and not considered an authoritative source by Wikipedia. Best regards, - LuckyLouie ( talk) 20:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
For the benefit of anyone who wants to edit this article (I won't be signing on as an editor myself because the behaviour of some of your more obsessive and less pleasant long-time editors makes trying to edit articles on topics like this a pointless waste of time for anyone who isn't truly passionate about the subject, and/or at least borderline autistic), the connection between Batman and Mothman seems to be this.
Batman's comic-book adversary Killer Moth has been around under various aliases since 1951, but he was always one of the many obscure Batman baddies most people have never heard of, and his only connection with the sixties TV series was to appear in a 15-minute pilot shot as test footage for new character Batgirl that was never aired. His costume does include wings, but otherwise its bright colours are a very poor fit with the reported appearance of the dark, shadowy Point Pleasant bogeyman. And he was never actually called Mothman, so he isn't very likely to have been the direct inspiration for the nickname.
On the other hand, here's a quote from Chapter 12 of Gray Barker's 1970 book "The Silver Bridge", which, though far less well-known than John Keel's "The Mothman Prophecies", predates it by 5 years and was the first book-length treatment of these events. Although marketed as non-fiction, it includes numerous passages that are clearly very fictional indeed, so it's hardly the most reliable of sources. But I think it's reasonable to assume he's telling the truth about not particularly fantastical details such as this:
"The phone rang. It was Channel 13, Huntington, whose news editor had already seen the brief AP item, and was trying to get the whole story. They carried the “Batman” TV show, and had coined a name for the bird-like creature, as a promo for the series. They thought “Mothman” might be a good appellation."
So there you go: it was a catchy nickname directly inspired by the Batman TV show, and not at all by the D-list Batman supporting character Killer Moth, whose vague similarity to Mothman appears to be purely coincidental. I hope this will be helpful to anyone who fancies having an edit-war with those nasty little boys who have successfully dissuaded people like me from wasting our time trying to improve Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.29.155 ( talk) 09:05, 15 January 2022 (UTC)