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Is it necessary to mention that many or most (which I highly doubt) motels are run by Indian immigrants? Pdxgoat 21:16, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Read the article and weep: http://www.usatoday.com/money/general/2002/02/27/minority-biz.htm
What's the copyright status of the picture? -- Robert Merkel
The link to United States highway system was correct. Motels started in the 1920s and 1930s in response to the US highway system and not the Interstate highway system which started in the 1950's.
The copyright status of the picture should be considered in question, as the picture is from the site linked at the bottom of the article. It's on the page for California ( http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/motelcalifornia.html) and there is a copyright notice at the bottom. If nobody else cuts it over the next day, I will. User:ClaudeMuncey
It looks like there are plenty of images of route 66 motels and early motel chain branding already on-wiki; these are available but not in use on this page as it's already rather full of similar and repetitive images at the moment:
It's tempting to put the historic police car in the section on "crime and illicit activity" but then the Lorraine Motel (from the MLK assassination) would likely need to be moved or removed. Nonetheless, anything that breaks the illustration pattern of "a motel, another motel, yet another motel..." might be worthy of consideration. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 21:57, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Curiously, in Brazil, Motel has another conotation. The term is used for Hotels that host suite rooms for couples. I heard some people reffering to these kinds of hotels (or Motels) as Hotels-by-the-hour or 1-hour hotel. The nicest Motels in Brazil have huge suites (some of them can have 400 or 600 square metters) with Jacuzi, dance floor, sauna, steam rooms and even retractable ceeling.
-- Pinnecco 18:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
It may be worth looking at some of the other-language Wikipedia articles on "motel" to see if there's any different international perspective. While the French article just looks like a highly-abridged version of this one, the Portuguese Motel article describes basically an adult motel for short-term (4 hours or less) occupancy with only token acknowledgement that the US original was a "motor hotel" for travellers. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 18:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
This article has started to acquire links to various motel chains. If all chains in all nations are linked here this article will become mainly a linkfarm (and there would be no principled basis for limiting such links to the US and Canada). To avoid that it would be best to eliminate links to specific chains or brands, and allow links only to sites or pages which deal with the general subject. Kablammo 01:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Motels are constructed between distant cities. But small countries like pakistan has motels inside a city. It is to introduce idea of motel in people. (Engineer Khawar Iqbal from University Of Central Punjab Lahore Pakistan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.102.44.49 ( talk) 05:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
what is the difference between a motel, a hotel and a resort? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.94.150.36 ( talk) 11:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
::Somewhere, I forget where, I saw an "official" definition was that rooms in a motel are accessed from the outside, typically from a parking lot; while rooms in a hotel are accessed from an interior hall. Motels are providing more amenities these days, I can remember when TVs were rare and if provided were often coin operated; today you get cable TV, wifi, often a mini fridge, etc. Some hotels can be pretty basic. Wschart ( talk) 19:44, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
can we say motel to Dabhas (indian style food place)...jitendra bhatt, india, delhi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.162.59.66 ( talk) 20:40, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
The entire article has an US POV at the moment. A slightly dominant coverage of the US is expected because motels were invented there but every single example is American. And any specific information is American. Hence I added the tag to warn readers. Gizza Discuss © 10:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I've re-added the tag. Didn't know it had been there before. Some IP removed it without explanation. I'll also cleaned up some images. There was serious overload.-- Crossmr ( talk) 11:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I saw nothing about the entire world, just the united states. I came here to learn about motels across the world, and what cultures they have. I already know what american hotels are like, seeing as I've been in several. Wikimann1234 ( talk) 21:48, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
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once before as it is a US-centric mess. Someone removed the tag, not sure why, but I'm afraid I shall have to reinstate it given the latest attempts to turn this back into an article about the United States and remove English spelling instead of WP:RETAINing what was there. K7L ( talk) 16:23, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
The bulk of this article appears to have been written in 2012 in English, but with an annoying amount of US-specific trivia. The user(s) who expanded the page mistakenly removed the {{ globalise}} tag even though much of the new text added was sourced to one book "The Motel in America" or was specific to individual US motels, US-based chains or U.S. Route 66. There's way too much emphasis on the Route 66 Corridor Preservation Program given that it applies only to one decommissioned highway (a fifth of which no longer exists) in a handful of states in one country. On every other road, these are in decline and governments are not sinking massive subsidies into restoring these out of historic nostalgia. They're low-end properties even for their era (1950s and 1960s) and many have seen better days. The excess detail about this one country needs to go, it's undue WP:WEIGHT and mostly trivia. K7L ( talk) 15:15, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
An editor made this edit today, where they changed "as the Canadian and American" to read "as the American and Canadian". The edit summary stated "Canada inserted before American anonymously in March 2012. Changing it back." Naturally, I reverted this edit, and left the edit summary "if there is a purpose to reverting an inconsequential edit from 3 years ago, please discuss it on the talk page". Then, a different editor reverted again! They left the edit summary "because it was part of a pattern of inappropriate behavior, and because the motel was largely an American development originally, so putting Canada as primary is WP:UNDUE".
I'm just reading here about an edit war, and believe I have inadvertently stepped into it. No matter, I'm completely neutral in this, so may I ask if there was consensus some place (eg. on this talk page or at ANI) to forensically seek out 3-year old edits and revert them? I've only seen this done with blatant vandalism, but if a seemingly normal edit has stood for 3 years, reverting it twice, by two different editors, seems kinda like disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. But as I said, this rooting out of 3-year old edits may have been officially sanctioned someplace. Thanks! Magnolia677 ( talk) 07:19, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Comment: - I just looked through the article's history. Way back in March 2012, an IP editor inserted the line "as the provincial highways and the United States highway system began to develop" here. It appeared to be part of a number of good faith edits by that IP editor. Furthermore, when that line was added, there was nothing in the article stating that edits needed to be in American or British English. Well over a year later, in July 2013, User:Oknazevad made their first edit to this article. Since then, Oknazevad has made dozens of edits to this article, but it wasn't until yesterday--almost 2 years later--that they finally changed that IP editor's addition to read "as the American and Canadian"? Likewise, User:BarrelProof made their first edit to this article here in July 2013. That same editor has made several edits to this article, but just like Oknazevad, it wasn't until yesterday that SUDDENLY!! that 3-year old line "as the provincial highways and the United States highway system began to develop" became a must-change edit! The timing certainly makes it appear...you know...what's the word I'm looking for? Magnolia677 ( talk) 15:55, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
K7L just moved the article from Motel to Motels in the United States. I strongly object to that, and I have submitted a request to revert the move. If K7L wants to create a separate article about Motels in the United States and thinks it could be adequately distinct from the Motel article, I don't necessarily object to that. But it should not be done by destroying the edit history of the Motel article. I also suspect that the content of an article about Motels in the United States might contain a lot of unnecessary duplication, but I'm willing to see what might be proposed. One would think that after the recent fuss and page protection, it would be obvious that an article move would be controversial and should have been formally proposed and discussed prior to being performed. — BarrelProof ( talk) 17:46, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
OK, now that it seems most of the detritus accompanying this mess of a "move" attempt has been cleaned up, the issue would now seem to be what to do with the Motels in the United States spinoff article. As it looks mostly duplicative of this original, I'd suggest we plan on a merge, and conversion to a redirect as the plan of action, either under the umbrella of a WP:AfD request, or just as a "manual" cut-and-paste effort... Thoughts? -- IJBall ( talk) 05:47, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
K7L, I haven't had time to review all of the changes you are introducing to the article in the last hour or so, but I notice one type of change that I strongly object to. That is the major and obvious WP:ENGVAR changes. This has been discussed before. I see no justification for it. You replaced "freeways" with "motorways", introduced "favoured" and "car park", replaced "theaters" with "cineparks", replaced "automobile" with "motorcar", replaced "automobile tourists" with "motorists", replaced "restroom" with "water closet", replaced "travelers" with "travellers", added "modernisation", replaced "television" with "telly", and replaced "kilometers" with "kilometres". That is not appropriate. It is precisely the sort of behavior that was involved the recent edit warring dispute, as recorded at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive273#User:K7L reported by User:IJBall (Result: Page protected). Several editors (myself, oknazevad, Chris the speller, IJBall) have all objected to that same type of editing, and its inappropriateness was confirmed by Swarm as well. — BarrelProof ( talk) 01:04, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, I went out and got a third opinion and that editor agreed that the "splitout" of Motels in the United States was justified, and this article should be trimmed (with any relevant material shifted to the "splitout" article). Honestly, I don't know where to start on that, but I thought I'd at least mention that this was the suggestion that was offered. So other editors may want to think about trimming this article, and shifting some of the content to Motels in the United States. FWIW. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Why is the architecture section written in the past tense? -- Sm5574 ( talk) 14:06, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
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Is it necessary to mention that many or most (which I highly doubt) motels are run by Indian immigrants? Pdxgoat 21:16, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Read the article and weep: http://www.usatoday.com/money/general/2002/02/27/minority-biz.htm
What's the copyright status of the picture? -- Robert Merkel
The link to United States highway system was correct. Motels started in the 1920s and 1930s in response to the US highway system and not the Interstate highway system which started in the 1950's.
The copyright status of the picture should be considered in question, as the picture is from the site linked at the bottom of the article. It's on the page for California ( http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/motelcalifornia.html) and there is a copyright notice at the bottom. If nobody else cuts it over the next day, I will. User:ClaudeMuncey
It looks like there are plenty of images of route 66 motels and early motel chain branding already on-wiki; these are available but not in use on this page as it's already rather full of similar and repetitive images at the moment:
It's tempting to put the historic police car in the section on "crime and illicit activity" but then the Lorraine Motel (from the MLK assassination) would likely need to be moved or removed. Nonetheless, anything that breaks the illustration pattern of "a motel, another motel, yet another motel..." might be worthy of consideration. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 21:57, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Curiously, in Brazil, Motel has another conotation. The term is used for Hotels that host suite rooms for couples. I heard some people reffering to these kinds of hotels (or Motels) as Hotels-by-the-hour or 1-hour hotel. The nicest Motels in Brazil have huge suites (some of them can have 400 or 600 square metters) with Jacuzi, dance floor, sauna, steam rooms and even retractable ceeling.
-- Pinnecco 18:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
It may be worth looking at some of the other-language Wikipedia articles on "motel" to see if there's any different international perspective. While the French article just looks like a highly-abridged version of this one, the Portuguese Motel article describes basically an adult motel for short-term (4 hours or less) occupancy with only token acknowledgement that the US original was a "motor hotel" for travellers. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 18:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
This article has started to acquire links to various motel chains. If all chains in all nations are linked here this article will become mainly a linkfarm (and there would be no principled basis for limiting such links to the US and Canada). To avoid that it would be best to eliminate links to specific chains or brands, and allow links only to sites or pages which deal with the general subject. Kablammo 01:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Motels are constructed between distant cities. But small countries like pakistan has motels inside a city. It is to introduce idea of motel in people. (Engineer Khawar Iqbal from University Of Central Punjab Lahore Pakistan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.102.44.49 ( talk) 05:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
what is the difference between a motel, a hotel and a resort? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.94.150.36 ( talk) 11:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
::Somewhere, I forget where, I saw an "official" definition was that rooms in a motel are accessed from the outside, typically from a parking lot; while rooms in a hotel are accessed from an interior hall. Motels are providing more amenities these days, I can remember when TVs were rare and if provided were often coin operated; today you get cable TV, wifi, often a mini fridge, etc. Some hotels can be pretty basic. Wschart ( talk) 19:44, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
can we say motel to Dabhas (indian style food place)...jitendra bhatt, india, delhi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.162.59.66 ( talk) 20:40, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
The entire article has an US POV at the moment. A slightly dominant coverage of the US is expected because motels were invented there but every single example is American. And any specific information is American. Hence I added the tag to warn readers. Gizza Discuss © 10:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I've re-added the tag. Didn't know it had been there before. Some IP removed it without explanation. I'll also cleaned up some images. There was serious overload.-- Crossmr ( talk) 11:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I saw nothing about the entire world, just the united states. I came here to learn about motels across the world, and what cultures they have. I already know what american hotels are like, seeing as I've been in several. Wikimann1234 ( talk) 21:48, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
This page was already tagged as
The examples and perspective in this article may not represent a
worldwide view of the subject. |
once before as it is a US-centric mess. Someone removed the tag, not sure why, but I'm afraid I shall have to reinstate it given the latest attempts to turn this back into an article about the United States and remove English spelling instead of WP:RETAINing what was there. K7L ( talk) 16:23, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
The bulk of this article appears to have been written in 2012 in English, but with an annoying amount of US-specific trivia. The user(s) who expanded the page mistakenly removed the {{ globalise}} tag even though much of the new text added was sourced to one book "The Motel in America" or was specific to individual US motels, US-based chains or U.S. Route 66. There's way too much emphasis on the Route 66 Corridor Preservation Program given that it applies only to one decommissioned highway (a fifth of which no longer exists) in a handful of states in one country. On every other road, these are in decline and governments are not sinking massive subsidies into restoring these out of historic nostalgia. They're low-end properties even for their era (1950s and 1960s) and many have seen better days. The excess detail about this one country needs to go, it's undue WP:WEIGHT and mostly trivia. K7L ( talk) 15:15, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
An editor made this edit today, where they changed "as the Canadian and American" to read "as the American and Canadian". The edit summary stated "Canada inserted before American anonymously in March 2012. Changing it back." Naturally, I reverted this edit, and left the edit summary "if there is a purpose to reverting an inconsequential edit from 3 years ago, please discuss it on the talk page". Then, a different editor reverted again! They left the edit summary "because it was part of a pattern of inappropriate behavior, and because the motel was largely an American development originally, so putting Canada as primary is WP:UNDUE".
I'm just reading here about an edit war, and believe I have inadvertently stepped into it. No matter, I'm completely neutral in this, so may I ask if there was consensus some place (eg. on this talk page or at ANI) to forensically seek out 3-year old edits and revert them? I've only seen this done with blatant vandalism, but if a seemingly normal edit has stood for 3 years, reverting it twice, by two different editors, seems kinda like disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. But as I said, this rooting out of 3-year old edits may have been officially sanctioned someplace. Thanks! Magnolia677 ( talk) 07:19, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Comment: - I just looked through the article's history. Way back in March 2012, an IP editor inserted the line "as the provincial highways and the United States highway system began to develop" here. It appeared to be part of a number of good faith edits by that IP editor. Furthermore, when that line was added, there was nothing in the article stating that edits needed to be in American or British English. Well over a year later, in July 2013, User:Oknazevad made their first edit to this article. Since then, Oknazevad has made dozens of edits to this article, but it wasn't until yesterday--almost 2 years later--that they finally changed that IP editor's addition to read "as the American and Canadian"? Likewise, User:BarrelProof made their first edit to this article here in July 2013. That same editor has made several edits to this article, but just like Oknazevad, it wasn't until yesterday that SUDDENLY!! that 3-year old line "as the provincial highways and the United States highway system began to develop" became a must-change edit! The timing certainly makes it appear...you know...what's the word I'm looking for? Magnolia677 ( talk) 15:55, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
K7L just moved the article from Motel to Motels in the United States. I strongly object to that, and I have submitted a request to revert the move. If K7L wants to create a separate article about Motels in the United States and thinks it could be adequately distinct from the Motel article, I don't necessarily object to that. But it should not be done by destroying the edit history of the Motel article. I also suspect that the content of an article about Motels in the United States might contain a lot of unnecessary duplication, but I'm willing to see what might be proposed. One would think that after the recent fuss and page protection, it would be obvious that an article move would be controversial and should have been formally proposed and discussed prior to being performed. — BarrelProof ( talk) 17:46, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
OK, now that it seems most of the detritus accompanying this mess of a "move" attempt has been cleaned up, the issue would now seem to be what to do with the Motels in the United States spinoff article. As it looks mostly duplicative of this original, I'd suggest we plan on a merge, and conversion to a redirect as the plan of action, either under the umbrella of a WP:AfD request, or just as a "manual" cut-and-paste effort... Thoughts? -- IJBall ( talk) 05:47, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
K7L, I haven't had time to review all of the changes you are introducing to the article in the last hour or so, but I notice one type of change that I strongly object to. That is the major and obvious WP:ENGVAR changes. This has been discussed before. I see no justification for it. You replaced "freeways" with "motorways", introduced "favoured" and "car park", replaced "theaters" with "cineparks", replaced "automobile" with "motorcar", replaced "automobile tourists" with "motorists", replaced "restroom" with "water closet", replaced "travelers" with "travellers", added "modernisation", replaced "television" with "telly", and replaced "kilometers" with "kilometres". That is not appropriate. It is precisely the sort of behavior that was involved the recent edit warring dispute, as recorded at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive273#User:K7L reported by User:IJBall (Result: Page protected). Several editors (myself, oknazevad, Chris the speller, IJBall) have all objected to that same type of editing, and its inappropriateness was confirmed by Swarm as well. — BarrelProof ( talk) 01:04, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, I went out and got a third opinion and that editor agreed that the "splitout" of Motels in the United States was justified, and this article should be trimmed (with any relevant material shifted to the "splitout" article). Honestly, I don't know where to start on that, but I thought I'd at least mention that this was the suggestion that was offered. So other editors may want to think about trimming this article, and shifting some of the content to Motels in the United States. FWIW. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Why is the architecture section written in the past tense? -- Sm5574 ( talk) 14:06, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
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