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I have removed the paragraph listed below from the United States alleged operations page.
My reasoning is that when I checked the reference, it wasn't a news source. The small clip of text referenced was on the Jewish Virtual Library and referenced an LA Times article (just the date, with no title, author, or link to the actual article). The actual article claims the source was an unnamed and unverified law enforcement official in Washington, D.C. In a follow up article, just one day later, the LA Times reports that both the CIA and FBI deny such an advisory existed. The article goes on to mention that the source had overlooked the information's origin and that it was not from independent data. The original source (the law enforcement official) had simply read the speculation in an intelligent report that cited a Telegraph article, which gives no mention on how they came about this information. There are no specific and qualified sources of this claim, and there are no specific times of when this advisory might have occurred. One of the articles mentions in August, along with 200 or so terrorists slipping into the country, but this doesn't make sense in terms of the 9/11 attack as many of the participating hijackers had already acquired U.S. visas in 2000 and early 2001 and had been living in the U.S. soon after ( Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.16.22.139 ( talk) 10:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
A major weakness of the article is that it says nothing about the structure of the Mossad, its units, what they do and how they do it. Can you imagine an article about the CIA which didn't discuss these various facets of its work? I'm not expert enough in the field to know this information, but there must be editors who do. I strongly urge someone with such expertise to improve the article. Richard Silverstein ( talk) 21:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I checked out the Victor Ostrovsky book, "By Way of Deception," and in the back, there was an organizational structure of the Mossad, at least from 1990. L.J. Tibbs ( talk) 18:55, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I seem to recall the Mossad had a paramilitary department called the "Metsada", and in that department was a direct action unit called "Kidon", which supposedly comprised of 3-4 12 person teams, that conducted the "dirty work". I've read somewhere that it has been changed and enlarged under Meir Dagan's direction, and there is a different structure all together now. It even has a different name, that starts with a "K". I don't know the correct spelling or pronunciation of it. 58.168.92.79 ( talk) 04:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Mossad structure? We all know that Mossad is a band of ruthless killers violating international law. They have nothing to do with the defense of the Isreali homeland, even less they have to do with Judaism. They have used identities of innocent Isreali citizens for their operations. This is also well-known and has caused tremendous uproar within Israel.
Of course, they are not behind 9/11. They are not stupid but ruthless, lawless. I believe their operations are endangering Israel. For every suspected enemy of Israel, they eliminate an even more extreme anti-zionist is put in place of the one who was murdered. The international community is well aware of that, and even regular Mossad non-violent operations are hindered by countries which no longer accept Mossad or suspected Mossad agents. Even regular Isreali citizens have been barred from entering certain countries. Now, I am speaking for Isreal and not against this country, which is or should be part of the international community. ML —Preceding
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Does anyone know if they can make a list of known Mossad officers, real and fictional? L.J. Tibbs ( talk) 15:34, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
The information given in the article is wrong. Its sorce is dubious, some web site which has it without any attribution. I personally saw a documentary in the 1990s stating that it was a high ranking member of the Polish Communist party that gave the text up to Israel, and from there it was passed on to the US etc. I don't remember his name. (or come to think of it, maybe he was on an ambassy stuff or something, but I'm sure it was through Poland that they obtained the text). WillNess ( talk) 23:51, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
There should be a mention of the "5 dancing israeli's" & that those who were dancing at the world trade center & celebrating it were these five israeli's who worked for a trucking company that was according to the FBI was a mossad front & the fact that these five israeli's lived in florida blocks away from where the suspected 9/11 highjackers stayed, coincidink hmmm, i think not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChesterTheWorm ( talk • contribs) 00:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
This is a common myth, which has been debunked already. Show proper sources of this being really true, and not just a speculative website with no sources who claims it. -- 81.206.167.154 ( talk) 01:23, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Having being following the publications and TV reportage at that time I can tell you that the five young pricks were not dancing but taking photos of themselves on some bridge with the burning towers in the background, smiling - as they later described, because "now the Americans will know what we are up against". No dancing was involved. They were arrested on that bridge and kept by the FBI for nearly a half year; when they were released and deported they came on a talk show on Israeli TV Channel-2. Were they really the Mossad agents that would surely not happen. Plus, the Israeli movers are/were a fixture in NY (e.g. the mover "Shlomo" in Seinfeld), making them sound like something unusual is ridiculos.
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Agreed with the first and third post on here. There is video evidence depicting the Israelis, and their arrest and the mysterious circumstances surrounding it (including their proximity to Mohammad Atta in Florida and the residue that was initially deemed explosive) were covered extensively in Paul Thompson's "The Terror Timeline", which is based, entirely, on mainstream news sources. Therefore, the claim that this has been debunked is like many other such claims. It is an inconvenient truth, therefore, lets just pretend its not true. That seems to be the attitude from a lot of people. Furthermore, Wayne Madsen has uncovered extensive evidence that the C.I.A., MI5/6, and Mossad are using Facebook, MySpace, Youtube, and other internet sites (probably including this one, also see the Wiki page on the Anti-Defamation League for evidence of propagandistic chicanery) to desimminate propaganda. I hope that isn't happening here, and I am not one of those people who calls everyone who disagrees with me a shill, but to say it doesn't happen is silly. Lets face it, we don't know the truth and we probably never will. They lied to us, just like Hitler lied, Stalin, Mao, Caesar, King George, etc. etc. etc. If you really think that governments are to protect the liberties of the people... well... have fun with that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Homicide Hank ( talk • contribs) 20:39, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Agreed with ^above^ assessment. Where is the paragraph on Controversy surrounding Mossad? This page is complete crap. As is most of the content involving Jews, Israel or Israeli's on Western Wikipedia. Shameful — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.212.173.134 ( talk) 00:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
How much does the State of Israel donate to Wikipedia annually? There is your answer as to why any article within the jewish sphere looks like it was written by the Anti Defamation League. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.24.216 ( talk) 19:58, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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It seems all of the info in 'Relations with other agencies' comes from a single text, The Secret War Against the Jews. I haven't read it, so I'm not going to dismiss out of hand. But apparently one of its claims is that "over the past 50 years, virtually every Jew in the world has been the subject of electronic surveillance by the British with the assistance of American intelligence." (from Publishers Weekly via Amazon). It's a pretty big claim as there were some 12 million Jews in 1947. I'm not saying that this or any of the book's claims are false, but it would be good if we could find something else to substantiate this. Redsxfenway ( talk) 17:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm missing it elsewhere in the article, but who exactly is Ostrovsky? I know that this person claims the former motto of Mossad translates from Hebrew as "By Way Of Deception, Thou Shalt Make War." That's somewhat different than the other translation, but it's the translation I often hear attributed to the intelligence agency. I don't assume it's the Russian playwright. Atypicaloracle ( talk) 00:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
=> just write בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה with google traduction and see the result.
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1954 The Lavon Affair, a false flag operation which recruited Egyptian Jews to plant bombs in British and American frequented targets to create an atmosphere of instability and violence in Egypt. 205.201.202.190 ( talk) 19:39, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I fixed the substandard reference here - but I still think this should be removed - "Gideon's Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad" is not really a solid source - maybe if there were some leaked intelligence reports it would be something - but that book is speculation which cites even more speculative sources...
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I'm reporting an incorrect translation of Hebrew to English. In section 1.3 Motto, the Hebrew expression בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה is alleged to mean , "For by wise counsel...." When the correct meaning is, "By way of deception....." 120.147.16.202 ( talk) 01:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Mossad's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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Should'nt there be a section on Mossad Terror? or at least "controversies"? to at least not be to pro-israeli.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.204.42 ( talk) 16:40, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
It is obvious from the three posts above that each member has their own POV. The OP for believing that article is pro-israeli, Shuki and Obotlig for being easily offended by this. Maybe someone who doesn't have a POV should step in here and answer this one. I myself would not be suitable to answer this as (I can admit that) I have a POV in this issue believing that some of Mossad's actions amount to State-sponsored terrorism. However I would like someone who is emotionally unattached to this topic to weigh in here. Tcla75 ( talk) 15:12, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
"Voennaia Rozvedka " +Mossazd+ "turks Diaspor" are over aggressive alliance .This in Western countries hostile act. The truth they are always relativ. His action's explain the repeatedly as "a friendly remedy". WikiUser235657689097 ( talk) 11:59, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
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In 2017, The Jerusalem Post and the Mossad's Libertad website announced that the Mossad has announced an additional arm to its technology research and development. It is called the Technological Innovation Fund, known as Libertad, tasked with providing and maintaining rapid and cutting edge abilities. 172.164.3.58 ( talk) 13:26, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
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In 2017, The Jerusalem Post and the Mossad's Libertad website announced that the Mossad has announced an additional arm to its technology research and development. It is called the Technological Innovation Fund, known as Libertad, tasked with providing and maintaining rapid and cutting edge capabilities.
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THE FOLLOWING ARE TWO RECOMMENDED ADDITIONS TO THE MOSSAD PAGE 1. AFTER THE FOLLOWING TEXT PRESENTLY ON THE MOSSAD PAGE Mossad (Hebrew: הַמוֹסָד, IPA: [ha moˈsad]; Arabic: الموساد, al-Mōsād, IPA: [almoːˈsaːd]; literally meaning "the Institute"), short for HaMossad leModiʿin uleTafkidim Meyuḥadim (Hebrew:המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים, meaning "Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations"), is the national intelligence agency of Israel. It is one of the main entities in the Israeli Intelligence Community, along with Aman (military intelligence) and Shin Bet (internal security).
Mossad is responsible for intelligence collection, covert operations, and counterterrorism, as well as bringing Jews to Israel from countries where official Aliyah agencies are forbidden, and protecting Jewish communities. Its director reports directly to the Prime Minister.
PLEASE ADD THE FOLLOWING TEXT AFTER AN APPROPRIATE PARAGRAPH LINE SPACE IS ADDED In 2017, The Jerusalem Post and the Mossad's Libertad website announced that the Mossad has established an additional arm to its technological research and development efforts. It is called the Technological Innovation Fund, known as Libertad. It is tasked with providing and maintaining rapid and cutting edge capabilities for both the civilian and defense sectors.
2. AFTER THE FOLLOWING EXTERNAL LINKS PRESENTLY ON THE MOSSAD PAGE External links Official website Official website (in Hebrew) Official website (in Arabic) GlobalSecurity.org entry for Mossad
PLEASE ADD THE FOLLOWING LINK TO THE END OF THE LINKS LIST www.Libertad.gov.il 172.164.8.52 ( talk) 14:07, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
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This translation is incorrect, even if some (anti-Israel?) sources support it. The word "deception" doesn't appear anywhere. This is the sentence in Proverbs: " For by stratagems you wage war, And victory comes with much planning."-- 181.110.211.53 ( talk) 07:06, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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Request to move the heading "Mossad" from left to center of the infobox. Ram Peri ( talk) 15:29, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
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According to research by Israeli experts Ronen Bergman, the Mossad has killed at least 3,000 people. The victims were not just targets. Many innocent people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time were also murdered. During the second intifada, there were days when four to five targeted killings were ordered. Bergman tell the story in his book Rise and Kill First.-- Falkmart ( talk) 01:52, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, please change " File:Official Mossad logo.png" to " File:Mossad seal.svg". Also I think protection can be degraded to only semi-protection as there were no violations in last period. Tal ( Ronaldinho The king) 12:31, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
You reverted me with the edit summary revision 844373211 by Nishidani (talk) what is the encyclopedic value of this random quote (which was a response to a statement by Netanyahu) in the middle of nowhere?
The text I cited reads:-
"The Mossad is not a criminal organization. It is a splendid organization that does holy work in the fight against terrorism and other threats to the State of Israel, and we all salute it," Netanyahu said at the weekly cabinet meeting Sunday. The prime minister was responding to Pardo, who described the Mossad as "a crime organization with a license" and said "that's the fun part" of working there. Pardo was speaking in an interview with Uvda, the investigative TV show that aired the report Thursday
You stated that Pardo was responding to Netanyahu, whereas Netanyahu was responding for Pardo. So much for careful editing. For these reasons I will revert you. Nishidani ( talk) 06:41, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
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The following coordinate fixes are needed for Mossad.
From the sources listed bellow the most likely location of the Mossad headquarters is 32.144736, 34.804301
https://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/headquarters-of-the-mossad/ https://www.wired.com/2013/01/spybases/ http://wikimapia.org/15451636/Mossad-HQ
If anyone has a source indicating that the coordinates listed at 32°8′43.78″ N, 34°50′39.64″E are correct please list it here.
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Perhaps it would be good to add a section to the article about the speculation from different sources as to where exactly the Headquarters are. Underneaththesun ( talk) 05:57, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Is it possible to add 3d coord? To see how deep underground mostsad are buried. (Or how above they sind located?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.90.196.227 ( talk) 09:12, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
There's some recent back and forth editing on an "official website" URL, looks like flaky/mis-configuration issues to me, just leaving a note here because I've seen it both broken *and* working, so good faith is definitely worth assuming for editors removing/reverting it. Ronabop ( talk) 22:23, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I've seen the titled quote (or variations of it) attributed to being the Mossad motto for so long that I'd assumed it was true. Today I came here looking for the exact text and learn that it's not even mentioned in this Article. Assuming that the text is not, and has never been the Mossad motto, I wonder if the Article couldn't be used to "debunk" what is apparently a falsehood. Or if there is some kind of detailed explanation, maybe the Article could include it? In general, I think that Wikipedia should be used to address these types of popular misconceptions, but given that I am relatively new, I then wonder if that is consistent with Wikipedia Policy. I recognize that "Wikipedia is not Snopes", but at the same time, if a significant percentage of Wikipedia's Readers believe something that is factually incorrect, it seems a natural response by Wikipedia to address those inaccurate, factual beliefs. Is there some kind of policy that addresses this? Is there some kind of "consensus" on this question (in the broad sense, meaning transcendent to this particular Article). So my point/question is two-fold. Why do I see so many attributions to what is apparently an incorrect motto for Mossad, and should the Article address this misconception in the Article directly? Tym Whittier ( talk) 19:24, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MUGAxpI0Bc EmperatorBanana ( talk) 17:13, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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The quote: "Mossad's former motto, be-tachbūlōt ta`aseh lekhā milchāmāh (Hebrew: בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה) is a quote from the Bible (Proverbs 24:6): "For by wise guidance you can wage your war" (NRSV). The motto was later changed to another Proverbs passage: be-'éyn tachbūlōt yippol `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rov yō'éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ, Proverbs 11:14). This is translated by NRSV as: "Where there is no guidance, a nation falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety.""
is correctly translated as per NRSV. However, a proper meaning of the word תחבולות is a ruse, strategem, trick. Therefore the former motto would, more appropriately and in a more modern way, be translated as:
"For by strategem [russe] you should [can] wage [your] war"
Similarly the current motto would be:
"Where there is no strategem, a nation falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety." 78.150.95.55 ( talk) 01:29, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Arabic doesn't have a mater lectionis for ō. It also has no /o:/ in Standard Arabic. Please edit the Arabic transliteration to say "Mūsād" and the IPA to read /mu:sa:d/.
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All I ask is that the "It's" in the last paragraph of the intro be changed to the grammatically-correct "Its." Harry Krinkle ( talk) 03:43, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Detailed on line profiles, including his age, service record, and likely strategy, already on line. His name is well known. The appointment for June is already made, it just lacks what is usually a perfunctory confirmation. [6] Cpsoper ( talk) 20:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Mossad katsas utilise Sayanim, singular Sayan for their operations ,The concept of Sayanim was started by Meir Amit. [1] They are recruited by Mossad katsas or field intelligence agents to provide logistical support for Mossad operations. [2] Sayanim are often non-Israeli citizens but have full loyalty to the state of Israel and can be a dual national. [3] [4] The usage of sayanim allows the Mossad to operate with a slim budget yet conduct vast operations worldwide. [5] The support that sayanim provide is unpaid. [6]
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This is a poorly written run on sentence. Check punctuation
Because no law defines its purpose, objectives, roles, missions, powers or budget and because it is exempt from the constitutional laws of the State of Israel Mossad has been described as a deep state.
I would put a comma after Israel.
"because it is exempt from the constitutional laws of the State of Israel, Mossad has been described as a deep state.[1]"
Nothing in this entire article calls the Mossad a state exempt from Israel's constitutional laws, this is a sourceless claim. Having a claim from one conspiratorial small website saying its a deep state is also horrible editorial standards.
Have moved from lead to body and changed wording to more closely resemble source while consensus is formed. It's not due for lead. BobFromBrockley ( talk) 11:48, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
The claim is made here that Mossad issued warnings to American officials in August of 2001 that a major attack was being planned on US soil. The link (38) in support of this claim basically leads nowhere. An article here in WP, titled "September 11 attacks advance-knowledge conspiracy theories" pretty much debunks the notion. I'm not qualified to edit it out, but someone with higher credentials than mine should take a look. Jhoughton1 ( talk) 22:39, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
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change "Mossad has opened when? a venture capital fund" to "Mossad opened a venture capital fund in June of 2017 [1]
change "Mossad launched when? started Operation Harpoon" to "Mossad launched when? Operation Harpoon" Duckduckgoop ( talk) 12:10, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
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Libertad was founded in June 2017 to serve as the strategic investment arm of the Mossad.
The pronunciation given in the lede is "muh-sad". Is there a source for this? Because I've never heard it pronounced that way and it certainly doesn't match the Hebrew pronunciation. Unless someone can provide a source, I'm changing it to reflect the correct pronunciation. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 04:04, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Under 'Great Britain', there are two ugly typos - "where" is used instead of "were", _two_ times. I'm not authorized to edit, someone who is should fix it please. BillBigfoot ( talk) 02:09, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
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Chance “ban on immigration to Israel” to “ban on emigration to Israel”. 2607:F2C0:EB95:F24A:3984:5730:21F4:4845 ( talk) 01:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't the header of the article also mention the formal name of the organization as it does in the article for Shin Bet? Something like: ( Hebrew: המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים; HaMossad lemodi'in vetafkidim meyuḥadim; "Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations"; Arabic: الموساد للاستخبارات والمهام الخاصة) Notumengi ( talk) 20:54, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
The mossad moto is from proverbs 11:14 as written, but the translation isn't correct. The correct Translation is "For lack of guidance a nation falls, but victory is won through many advisers." Yuvbm3 ( talk) 18:13, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
"Unlike other security bodies (such as the Israel Defense Forces or the Israel Security Agency), its purpose, objectives, roles, missions, powers or budget have not been defined in any law."
Why? Does anyone know why Mossad has license to do as it pleases? At least as long as it is funded and has agents at its disposal to act with wanton. Unlimited (or, rather, undemarcated) power seems dangerous. Can anyone share a resource to educate me further on the legality of this broad sweep of practicable action?
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Would anyone else like to take a look at my draft Draft:Sayanim which is related to this article? Thank You. BlueD954 ( talk) 14:16, 7 November 2020 (UTC==++
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Align moto translations in the infobox and the "Moto" section, possibly to the NIV translation "For lack of guidance a nation falls, but victory is won through many advisers." DestroyerXyz1 ( talk) 14:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
Could someone make this change for me (if they agree with the change)? Thanks: "Argentina protested what it considered as the violation of its sovereignty," ---> "Argentina protested what it considered a violation of its sovereignty," Schweinchen ( talk) 20:17, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
I can't yet add this citation as I don't have enough Wiki experience/cred to do so, but the citation can be found here: https://search.credoreference.com/content/entry/foft/mossad/0
"Originally under the auspices of the Israel's foreign ministry, Mossad's director (whose identity was a state secret until 1996) began reporting directly to the prime minister in 1951." -- Mossad, from Encyclopedia of Terrorism Edenaviv5 ( talk) 01:18, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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I have removed the paragraph listed below from the United States alleged operations page.
My reasoning is that when I checked the reference, it wasn't a news source. The small clip of text referenced was on the Jewish Virtual Library and referenced an LA Times article (just the date, with no title, author, or link to the actual article). The actual article claims the source was an unnamed and unverified law enforcement official in Washington, D.C. In a follow up article, just one day later, the LA Times reports that both the CIA and FBI deny such an advisory existed. The article goes on to mention that the source had overlooked the information's origin and that it was not from independent data. The original source (the law enforcement official) had simply read the speculation in an intelligent report that cited a Telegraph article, which gives no mention on how they came about this information. There are no specific and qualified sources of this claim, and there are no specific times of when this advisory might have occurred. One of the articles mentions in August, along with 200 or so terrorists slipping into the country, but this doesn't make sense in terms of the 9/11 attack as many of the participating hijackers had already acquired U.S. visas in 2000 and early 2001 and had been living in the U.S. soon after ( Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.16.22.139 ( talk) 10:20, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
A major weakness of the article is that it says nothing about the structure of the Mossad, its units, what they do and how they do it. Can you imagine an article about the CIA which didn't discuss these various facets of its work? I'm not expert enough in the field to know this information, but there must be editors who do. I strongly urge someone with such expertise to improve the article. Richard Silverstein ( talk) 21:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I checked out the Victor Ostrovsky book, "By Way of Deception," and in the back, there was an organizational structure of the Mossad, at least from 1990. L.J. Tibbs ( talk) 18:55, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I seem to recall the Mossad had a paramilitary department called the "Metsada", and in that department was a direct action unit called "Kidon", which supposedly comprised of 3-4 12 person teams, that conducted the "dirty work". I've read somewhere that it has been changed and enlarged under Meir Dagan's direction, and there is a different structure all together now. It even has a different name, that starts with a "K". I don't know the correct spelling or pronunciation of it. 58.168.92.79 ( talk) 04:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Mossad structure? We all know that Mossad is a band of ruthless killers violating international law. They have nothing to do with the defense of the Isreali homeland, even less they have to do with Judaism. They have used identities of innocent Isreali citizens for their operations. This is also well-known and has caused tremendous uproar within Israel.
Of course, they are not behind 9/11. They are not stupid but ruthless, lawless. I believe their operations are endangering Israel. For every suspected enemy of Israel, they eliminate an even more extreme anti-zionist is put in place of the one who was murdered. The international community is well aware of that, and even regular Mossad non-violent operations are hindered by countries which no longer accept Mossad or suspected Mossad agents. Even regular Isreali citizens have been barred from entering certain countries. Now, I am speaking for Isreal and not against this country, which is or should be part of the international community. ML —Preceding
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Does anyone know if they can make a list of known Mossad officers, real and fictional? L.J. Tibbs ( talk) 15:34, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
The information given in the article is wrong. Its sorce is dubious, some web site which has it without any attribution. I personally saw a documentary in the 1990s stating that it was a high ranking member of the Polish Communist party that gave the text up to Israel, and from there it was passed on to the US etc. I don't remember his name. (or come to think of it, maybe he was on an ambassy stuff or something, but I'm sure it was through Poland that they obtained the text). WillNess ( talk) 23:51, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
There should be a mention of the "5 dancing israeli's" & that those who were dancing at the world trade center & celebrating it were these five israeli's who worked for a trucking company that was according to the FBI was a mossad front & the fact that these five israeli's lived in florida blocks away from where the suspected 9/11 highjackers stayed, coincidink hmmm, i think not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChesterTheWorm ( talk • contribs) 00:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
This is a common myth, which has been debunked already. Show proper sources of this being really true, and not just a speculative website with no sources who claims it. -- 81.206.167.154 ( talk) 01:23, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Having being following the publications and TV reportage at that time I can tell you that the five young pricks were not dancing but taking photos of themselves on some bridge with the burning towers in the background, smiling - as they later described, because "now the Americans will know what we are up against". No dancing was involved. They were arrested on that bridge and kept by the FBI for nearly a half year; when they were released and deported they came on a talk show on Israeli TV Channel-2. Were they really the Mossad agents that would surely not happen. Plus, the Israeli movers are/were a fixture in NY (e.g. the mover "Shlomo" in Seinfeld), making them sound like something unusual is ridiculos.
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Agreed with the first and third post on here. There is video evidence depicting the Israelis, and their arrest and the mysterious circumstances surrounding it (including their proximity to Mohammad Atta in Florida and the residue that was initially deemed explosive) were covered extensively in Paul Thompson's "The Terror Timeline", which is based, entirely, on mainstream news sources. Therefore, the claim that this has been debunked is like many other such claims. It is an inconvenient truth, therefore, lets just pretend its not true. That seems to be the attitude from a lot of people. Furthermore, Wayne Madsen has uncovered extensive evidence that the C.I.A., MI5/6, and Mossad are using Facebook, MySpace, Youtube, and other internet sites (probably including this one, also see the Wiki page on the Anti-Defamation League for evidence of propagandistic chicanery) to desimminate propaganda. I hope that isn't happening here, and I am not one of those people who calls everyone who disagrees with me a shill, but to say it doesn't happen is silly. Lets face it, we don't know the truth and we probably never will. They lied to us, just like Hitler lied, Stalin, Mao, Caesar, King George, etc. etc. etc. If you really think that governments are to protect the liberties of the people... well... have fun with that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Homicide Hank ( talk • contribs) 20:39, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Agreed with ^above^ assessment. Where is the paragraph on Controversy surrounding Mossad? This page is complete crap. As is most of the content involving Jews, Israel or Israeli's on Western Wikipedia. Shameful — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.212.173.134 ( talk) 00:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
How much does the State of Israel donate to Wikipedia annually? There is your answer as to why any article within the jewish sphere looks like it was written by the Anti Defamation League. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.24.216 ( talk) 19:58, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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It seems all of the info in 'Relations with other agencies' comes from a single text, The Secret War Against the Jews. I haven't read it, so I'm not going to dismiss out of hand. But apparently one of its claims is that "over the past 50 years, virtually every Jew in the world has been the subject of electronic surveillance by the British with the assistance of American intelligence." (from Publishers Weekly via Amazon). It's a pretty big claim as there were some 12 million Jews in 1947. I'm not saying that this or any of the book's claims are false, but it would be good if we could find something else to substantiate this. Redsxfenway ( talk) 17:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm missing it elsewhere in the article, but who exactly is Ostrovsky? I know that this person claims the former motto of Mossad translates from Hebrew as "By Way Of Deception, Thou Shalt Make War." That's somewhat different than the other translation, but it's the translation I often hear attributed to the intelligence agency. I don't assume it's the Russian playwright. Atypicaloracle ( talk) 00:46, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
=> just write בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה with google traduction and see the result.
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1954 The Lavon Affair, a false flag operation which recruited Egyptian Jews to plant bombs in British and American frequented targets to create an atmosphere of instability and violence in Egypt. 205.201.202.190 ( talk) 19:39, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I fixed the substandard reference here - but I still think this should be removed - "Gideon's Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad" is not really a solid source - maybe if there were some leaked intelligence reports it would be something - but that book is speculation which cites even more speculative sources...
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I'm reporting an incorrect translation of Hebrew to English. In section 1.3 Motto, the Hebrew expression בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה is alleged to mean , "For by wise counsel...." When the correct meaning is, "By way of deception....." 120.147.16.202 ( talk) 01:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Mossad's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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Should'nt there be a section on Mossad Terror? or at least "controversies"? to at least not be to pro-israeli.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.204.42 ( talk) 16:40, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
It is obvious from the three posts above that each member has their own POV. The OP for believing that article is pro-israeli, Shuki and Obotlig for being easily offended by this. Maybe someone who doesn't have a POV should step in here and answer this one. I myself would not be suitable to answer this as (I can admit that) I have a POV in this issue believing that some of Mossad's actions amount to State-sponsored terrorism. However I would like someone who is emotionally unattached to this topic to weigh in here. Tcla75 ( talk) 15:12, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
"Voennaia Rozvedka " +Mossazd+ "turks Diaspor" are over aggressive alliance .This in Western countries hostile act. The truth they are always relativ. His action's explain the repeatedly as "a friendly remedy". WikiUser235657689097 ( talk) 11:59, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
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In 2017, The Jerusalem Post and the Mossad's Libertad website announced that the Mossad has announced an additional arm to its technology research and development. It is called the Technological Innovation Fund, known as Libertad, tasked with providing and maintaining rapid and cutting edge abilities. 172.164.3.58 ( talk) 13:26, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
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In 2017, The Jerusalem Post and the Mossad's Libertad website announced that the Mossad has announced an additional arm to its technology research and development. It is called the Technological Innovation Fund, known as Libertad, tasked with providing and maintaining rapid and cutting edge capabilities.
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THE FOLLOWING ARE TWO RECOMMENDED ADDITIONS TO THE MOSSAD PAGE 1. AFTER THE FOLLOWING TEXT PRESENTLY ON THE MOSSAD PAGE Mossad (Hebrew: הַמוֹסָד, IPA: [ha moˈsad]; Arabic: الموساد, al-Mōsād, IPA: [almoːˈsaːd]; literally meaning "the Institute"), short for HaMossad leModiʿin uleTafkidim Meyuḥadim (Hebrew:המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים, meaning "Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations"), is the national intelligence agency of Israel. It is one of the main entities in the Israeli Intelligence Community, along with Aman (military intelligence) and Shin Bet (internal security).
Mossad is responsible for intelligence collection, covert operations, and counterterrorism, as well as bringing Jews to Israel from countries where official Aliyah agencies are forbidden, and protecting Jewish communities. Its director reports directly to the Prime Minister.
PLEASE ADD THE FOLLOWING TEXT AFTER AN APPROPRIATE PARAGRAPH LINE SPACE IS ADDED In 2017, The Jerusalem Post and the Mossad's Libertad website announced that the Mossad has established an additional arm to its technological research and development efforts. It is called the Technological Innovation Fund, known as Libertad. It is tasked with providing and maintaining rapid and cutting edge capabilities for both the civilian and defense sectors.
2. AFTER THE FOLLOWING EXTERNAL LINKS PRESENTLY ON THE MOSSAD PAGE External links Official website Official website (in Hebrew) Official website (in Arabic) GlobalSecurity.org entry for Mossad
PLEASE ADD THE FOLLOWING LINK TO THE END OF THE LINKS LIST www.Libertad.gov.il 172.164.8.52 ( talk) 14:07, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
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This translation is incorrect, even if some (anti-Israel?) sources support it. The word "deception" doesn't appear anywhere. This is the sentence in Proverbs: " For by stratagems you wage war, And victory comes with much planning."-- 181.110.211.53 ( talk) 07:06, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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Request to move the heading "Mossad" from left to center of the infobox. Ram Peri ( talk) 15:29, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
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According to research by Israeli experts Ronen Bergman, the Mossad has killed at least 3,000 people. The victims were not just targets. Many innocent people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time were also murdered. During the second intifada, there were days when four to five targeted killings were ordered. Bergman tell the story in his book Rise and Kill First.-- Falkmart ( talk) 01:52, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, please change " File:Official Mossad logo.png" to " File:Mossad seal.svg". Also I think protection can be degraded to only semi-protection as there were no violations in last period. Tal ( Ronaldinho The king) 12:31, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
You reverted me with the edit summary revision 844373211 by Nishidani (talk) what is the encyclopedic value of this random quote (which was a response to a statement by Netanyahu) in the middle of nowhere?
The text I cited reads:-
"The Mossad is not a criminal organization. It is a splendid organization that does holy work in the fight against terrorism and other threats to the State of Israel, and we all salute it," Netanyahu said at the weekly cabinet meeting Sunday. The prime minister was responding to Pardo, who described the Mossad as "a crime organization with a license" and said "that's the fun part" of working there. Pardo was speaking in an interview with Uvda, the investigative TV show that aired the report Thursday
You stated that Pardo was responding to Netanyahu, whereas Netanyahu was responding for Pardo. So much for careful editing. For these reasons I will revert you. Nishidani ( talk) 06:41, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
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From the sources listed bellow the most likely location of the Mossad headquarters is 32.144736, 34.804301
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If anyone has a source indicating that the coordinates listed at 32°8′43.78″ N, 34°50′39.64″E are correct please list it here.
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Perhaps it would be good to add a section to the article about the speculation from different sources as to where exactly the Headquarters are. Underneaththesun ( talk) 05:57, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Is it possible to add 3d coord? To see how deep underground mostsad are buried. (Or how above they sind located?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.90.196.227 ( talk) 09:12, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
There's some recent back and forth editing on an "official website" URL, looks like flaky/mis-configuration issues to me, just leaving a note here because I've seen it both broken *and* working, so good faith is definitely worth assuming for editors removing/reverting it. Ronabop ( talk) 22:23, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I've seen the titled quote (or variations of it) attributed to being the Mossad motto for so long that I'd assumed it was true. Today I came here looking for the exact text and learn that it's not even mentioned in this Article. Assuming that the text is not, and has never been the Mossad motto, I wonder if the Article couldn't be used to "debunk" what is apparently a falsehood. Or if there is some kind of detailed explanation, maybe the Article could include it? In general, I think that Wikipedia should be used to address these types of popular misconceptions, but given that I am relatively new, I then wonder if that is consistent with Wikipedia Policy. I recognize that "Wikipedia is not Snopes", but at the same time, if a significant percentage of Wikipedia's Readers believe something that is factually incorrect, it seems a natural response by Wikipedia to address those inaccurate, factual beliefs. Is there some kind of policy that addresses this? Is there some kind of "consensus" on this question (in the broad sense, meaning transcendent to this particular Article). So my point/question is two-fold. Why do I see so many attributions to what is apparently an incorrect motto for Mossad, and should the Article address this misconception in the Article directly? Tym Whittier ( talk) 19:24, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MUGAxpI0Bc EmperatorBanana ( talk) 17:13, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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The quote: "Mossad's former motto, be-tachbūlōt ta`aseh lekhā milchāmāh (Hebrew: בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה) is a quote from the Bible (Proverbs 24:6): "For by wise guidance you can wage your war" (NRSV). The motto was later changed to another Proverbs passage: be-'éyn tachbūlōt yippol `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rov yō'éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ, Proverbs 11:14). This is translated by NRSV as: "Where there is no guidance, a nation falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety.""
is correctly translated as per NRSV. However, a proper meaning of the word תחבולות is a ruse, strategem, trick. Therefore the former motto would, more appropriately and in a more modern way, be translated as:
"For by strategem [russe] you should [can] wage [your] war"
Similarly the current motto would be:
"Where there is no strategem, a nation falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety." 78.150.95.55 ( talk) 01:29, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Arabic doesn't have a mater lectionis for ō. It also has no /o:/ in Standard Arabic. Please edit the Arabic transliteration to say "Mūsād" and the IPA to read /mu:sa:d/.
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All I ask is that the "It's" in the last paragraph of the intro be changed to the grammatically-correct "Its." Harry Krinkle ( talk) 03:43, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Detailed on line profiles, including his age, service record, and likely strategy, already on line. His name is well known. The appointment for June is already made, it just lacks what is usually a perfunctory confirmation. [6] Cpsoper ( talk) 20:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Mossad katsas utilise Sayanim, singular Sayan for their operations ,The concept of Sayanim was started by Meir Amit. [1] They are recruited by Mossad katsas or field intelligence agents to provide logistical support for Mossad operations. [2] Sayanim are often non-Israeli citizens but have full loyalty to the state of Israel and can be a dual national. [3] [4] The usage of sayanim allows the Mossad to operate with a slim budget yet conduct vast operations worldwide. [5] The support that sayanim provide is unpaid. [6]
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This is a poorly written run on sentence. Check punctuation
Because no law defines its purpose, objectives, roles, missions, powers or budget and because it is exempt from the constitutional laws of the State of Israel Mossad has been described as a deep state.
I would put a comma after Israel.
"because it is exempt from the constitutional laws of the State of Israel, Mossad has been described as a deep state.[1]"
Nothing in this entire article calls the Mossad a state exempt from Israel's constitutional laws, this is a sourceless claim. Having a claim from one conspiratorial small website saying its a deep state is also horrible editorial standards.
Have moved from lead to body and changed wording to more closely resemble source while consensus is formed. It's not due for lead. BobFromBrockley ( talk) 11:48, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
The claim is made here that Mossad issued warnings to American officials in August of 2001 that a major attack was being planned on US soil. The link (38) in support of this claim basically leads nowhere. An article here in WP, titled "September 11 attacks advance-knowledge conspiracy theories" pretty much debunks the notion. I'm not qualified to edit it out, but someone with higher credentials than mine should take a look. Jhoughton1 ( talk) 22:39, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
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change "Mossad has opened when? a venture capital fund" to "Mossad opened a venture capital fund in June of 2017 [1]
change "Mossad launched when? started Operation Harpoon" to "Mossad launched when? Operation Harpoon" Duckduckgoop ( talk) 12:10, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
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Libertad was founded in June 2017 to serve as the strategic investment arm of the Mossad.
The pronunciation given in the lede is "muh-sad". Is there a source for this? Because I've never heard it pronounced that way and it certainly doesn't match the Hebrew pronunciation. Unless someone can provide a source, I'm changing it to reflect the correct pronunciation. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 04:04, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Under 'Great Britain', there are two ugly typos - "where" is used instead of "were", _two_ times. I'm not authorized to edit, someone who is should fix it please. BillBigfoot ( talk) 02:09, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
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Chance “ban on immigration to Israel” to “ban on emigration to Israel”. 2607:F2C0:EB95:F24A:3984:5730:21F4:4845 ( talk) 01:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't the header of the article also mention the formal name of the organization as it does in the article for Shin Bet? Something like: ( Hebrew: המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים; HaMossad lemodi'in vetafkidim meyuḥadim; "Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations"; Arabic: الموساد للاستخبارات والمهام الخاصة) Notumengi ( talk) 20:54, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
The mossad moto is from proverbs 11:14 as written, but the translation isn't correct. The correct Translation is "For lack of guidance a nation falls, but victory is won through many advisers." Yuvbm3 ( talk) 18:13, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
"Unlike other security bodies (such as the Israel Defense Forces or the Israel Security Agency), its purpose, objectives, roles, missions, powers or budget have not been defined in any law."
Why? Does anyone know why Mossad has license to do as it pleases? At least as long as it is funded and has agents at its disposal to act with wanton. Unlimited (or, rather, undemarcated) power seems dangerous. Can anyone share a resource to educate me further on the legality of this broad sweep of practicable action?
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Would anyone else like to take a look at my draft Draft:Sayanim which is related to this article? Thank You. BlueD954 ( talk) 14:16, 7 November 2020 (UTC==++
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Align moto translations in the infobox and the "Moto" section, possibly to the NIV translation "For lack of guidance a nation falls, but victory is won through many advisers." DestroyerXyz1 ( talk) 14:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
Could someone make this change for me (if they agree with the change)? Thanks: "Argentina protested what it considered as the violation of its sovereignty," ---> "Argentina protested what it considered a violation of its sovereignty," Schweinchen ( talk) 20:17, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
I can't yet add this citation as I don't have enough Wiki experience/cred to do so, but the citation can be found here: https://search.credoreference.com/content/entry/foft/mossad/0
"Originally under the auspices of the Israel's foreign ministry, Mossad's director (whose identity was a state secret until 1996) began reporting directly to the prime minister in 1951." -- Mossad, from Encyclopedia of Terrorism Edenaviv5 ( talk) 01:18, 15 May 2023 (UTC)