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This is an excellent article. I've often heard of this incident but this is the first consise account I've been able to find. -- Nick Dowling 10:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, very good choice. I have just used MS Picture Manager to crop the black edges off and turn the "saturation" down, as Harry and Clive were looking a bit green. The AWM don't always go to much trouble when they scan their pics. Still a great resource though. Grant | Talk 15:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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There seems to be a slight discrepancy between this and the Caldwell article. In this article we are told that charges had already been laid against Caldwell prior to the "mutiny", the article on Caldwell himself only mentions the charges after the events at Morotai. I don't have the sources to striaghten this out. David Underdown ( talk) 17:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- Prior to the "mutiny", Caldwell had been charged over his involvement in an alcohol racket on Morotai, where liquor was flown in by RAAF aircraft and then sold to the sizable U.S. forces contingent in the locality. He was court martialled in January 1946 and reduced to the rank of Flight Lieutenant.
Congratulations. The only criticism I have on this article is that it could use to be expanded, and it could be more thouroghly referenced. Cheers, ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ Drop me a line § 14:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Ian, are you interested in taking this article to FA standard? I think that a copy-edit from an editor with a fresh pair of eyes is all that would be required to get it there... Nick Dowling ( talk) 07:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
You guys mind if I take a look? -- AnnaFrance (talk) 12:56, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I've gone over the article and made a few edits here and there. There really wasn't much to do, as you have noted. It's a fascinating article and in very good shape. (If there was a hit counter on this page, you'd notice some increased activity in the last day. I've been recommending it to friends.) I ran the semi-automated peer review software on it, which turned up a few things, and I had a couple of content notes I thought I'd pass along:
I hope this helps. -- AnnaFrance (talk) 17:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
"Improve" seems clearer to me than "change" because every time I read that section it's a doublethink to remember that "no change" was not, as it sounds, a neutral result. (Another person who read the article also mentioned it to me, entirely unprompted.) But I take your point about the repetition and agree that avoiding that is definitely more important. -- AnnaFrance (talk) 13:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
It's a simple typo that 'augean' (after Augeas the king) was not capitalised in refs here, despite the fact the same typo appears in the heading of a source website. So I've capitalised its initial throughout. Cheers Bjenks ( talk) 07:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
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I've suggested it before, but I think the article would look good with an infobox. Here's what it would look like. I used this photo because I think current photo at the top of the article would look better where the Spitfire photo currently is. The reason is that Cobby and Caldwell are looking to the right. It looks better if they are looking into the article text, because the reader's eyes are drawn to the direction that they are looking towards. Just a suggestion. Also, I'll help out with the copyedit suggested by one of the FAC reviewers. Cla68 ( talk) 06:03, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi fellas, I just saw this here and thought I would put in my two cents. Personally, I think the article looks great how it is; however, I do like the suggested infobox and photo above even more. I personally like infoboxes for some reason, but, as Ian has stated, the right infobox is needed, and I think this one is it. This one looks good and does not take up much space, but I think the best thing about it is the photograph; this pic shows Caldwell surrounded by a group of fellow airmen with their complete attention on him, demonstrating the influence this man actually had. To me, this reinforces what is stated in the article about these senior officers’ status among their fellow airmen. However, these are my opinions and I'm happy for youse to decide on what is introduced and changed with in this great article. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. ( talk) 07:45, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
According to this grammar guide [1] and others that I've seen, if someone's job title is used after their name, it's not supposed to be capitalized. The problem is that most people will still think that it's wrong, in my experience. For example from this article: "Wing Commander Kenneth Ranger, senior staff officer (plans)" That's how it's supposed to be written, but it doesn't look right not to capitalize the whole thing. I'm open to suggestions. Cla68 ( talk) 07:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Does it have to say ==="Mutiny"=== in quotes or can it just be ===Mutiny===. Reason being, the special character here breaks W3C HTML design guidelines. Regards, SunCreator ( talk) 01:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
I think much more needs to be made of the point of the "mutiny". I really had to search the article for it, and my conclusion is that their protest was that their missions were insufficiently important. It's pretty buried, currently. Tempshill ( talk) 02:32, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps the article must better clarify the implications of their resignation - would they be sent to clear the minefields in strafbattalions or simply stripped of their ranks or what? What happened to other court-martialled Australians? NVO ( talk) 07:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
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This is an excellent article. I've often heard of this incident but this is the first consise account I've been able to find. -- Nick Dowling 10:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, very good choice. I have just used MS Picture Manager to crop the black edges off and turn the "saturation" down, as Harry and Clive were looking a bit green. The AWM don't always go to much trouble when they scan their pics. Still a great resource though. Grant | Talk 15:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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There seems to be a slight discrepancy between this and the Caldwell article. In this article we are told that charges had already been laid against Caldwell prior to the "mutiny", the article on Caldwell himself only mentions the charges after the events at Morotai. I don't have the sources to striaghten this out. David Underdown ( talk) 17:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- Prior to the "mutiny", Caldwell had been charged over his involvement in an alcohol racket on Morotai, where liquor was flown in by RAAF aircraft and then sold to the sizable U.S. forces contingent in the locality. He was court martialled in January 1946 and reduced to the rank of Flight Lieutenant.
Congratulations. The only criticism I have on this article is that it could use to be expanded, and it could be more thouroghly referenced. Cheers, ṜέđṃάяķvюĨїήīṣŢ Drop me a line § 14:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Ian, are you interested in taking this article to FA standard? I think that a copy-edit from an editor with a fresh pair of eyes is all that would be required to get it there... Nick Dowling ( talk) 07:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
You guys mind if I take a look? -- AnnaFrance (talk) 12:56, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I've gone over the article and made a few edits here and there. There really wasn't much to do, as you have noted. It's a fascinating article and in very good shape. (If there was a hit counter on this page, you'd notice some increased activity in the last day. I've been recommending it to friends.) I ran the semi-automated peer review software on it, which turned up a few things, and I had a couple of content notes I thought I'd pass along:
I hope this helps. -- AnnaFrance (talk) 17:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
"Improve" seems clearer to me than "change" because every time I read that section it's a doublethink to remember that "no change" was not, as it sounds, a neutral result. (Another person who read the article also mentioned it to me, entirely unprompted.) But I take your point about the repetition and agree that avoiding that is definitely more important. -- AnnaFrance (talk) 13:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
It's a simple typo that 'augean' (after Augeas the king) was not capitalised in refs here, despite the fact the same typo appears in the heading of a source website. So I've capitalised its initial throughout. Cheers Bjenks ( talk) 07:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
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I've suggested it before, but I think the article would look good with an infobox. Here's what it would look like. I used this photo because I think current photo at the top of the article would look better where the Spitfire photo currently is. The reason is that Cobby and Caldwell are looking to the right. It looks better if they are looking into the article text, because the reader's eyes are drawn to the direction that they are looking towards. Just a suggestion. Also, I'll help out with the copyedit suggested by one of the FAC reviewers. Cla68 ( talk) 06:03, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi fellas, I just saw this here and thought I would put in my two cents. Personally, I think the article looks great how it is; however, I do like the suggested infobox and photo above even more. I personally like infoboxes for some reason, but, as Ian has stated, the right infobox is needed, and I think this one is it. This one looks good and does not take up much space, but I think the best thing about it is the photograph; this pic shows Caldwell surrounded by a group of fellow airmen with their complete attention on him, demonstrating the influence this man actually had. To me, this reinforces what is stated in the article about these senior officers’ status among their fellow airmen. However, these are my opinions and I'm happy for youse to decide on what is introduced and changed with in this great article. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. ( talk) 07:45, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
According to this grammar guide [1] and others that I've seen, if someone's job title is used after their name, it's not supposed to be capitalized. The problem is that most people will still think that it's wrong, in my experience. For example from this article: "Wing Commander Kenneth Ranger, senior staff officer (plans)" That's how it's supposed to be written, but it doesn't look right not to capitalize the whole thing. I'm open to suggestions. Cla68 ( talk) 07:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Does it have to say ==="Mutiny"=== in quotes or can it just be ===Mutiny===. Reason being, the special character here breaks W3C HTML design guidelines. Regards, SunCreator ( talk) 01:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
I think much more needs to be made of the point of the "mutiny". I really had to search the article for it, and my conclusion is that their protest was that their missions were insufficiently important. It's pretty buried, currently. Tempshill ( talk) 02:32, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps the article must better clarify the implications of their resignation - would they be sent to clear the minefields in strafbattalions or simply stripped of their ranks or what? What happened to other court-martialled Australians? NVO ( talk) 07:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
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