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Without at least more references, it is unlikely this article will attain GA status. -- Kmsiever 06:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Failed for the reason given above--insufficient inline citations. A good rule of thumb for GA status is to aim for at least one citation per paragraph, more or less depending on how controversial the material is. All direct quotes must be cited.
It is an interesting and very promising article, however. Please feel free to resubmit once this has been fixed. MLilburne 08:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I copied this article to my sandbox for proofing. I shall return. — Reverend Lee 20:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Monte Ne | |
![]() The mostly submerged Monte Ne Amphitheater in the Spring of 2006 | |
Location |
Benton County,
Arkansas ![]() |
---|---|
Nearest city | Rogers |
Coordinates | 36°17′8.8″N 94°4′11.26″W / 36.285778°N 94.0697944°W |
Built | 1900-1920 |
Architect | A.O. Clarke |
NRHP reference No. | 78000575 |
Added to NRHP | 1978 |
Monte Ne was an ambitious planned community and health resort from 1901 to about the mid 1930s. Located east of Rogers, Arkansas, in the Ozark hills of the White River valley, Monte Ne was once owned by financial theorist and one-time presidential nominee, William Hope Harvey. Two of its hotels, Missouri Row and Oklahoma Row, were the largest log buildings in the world. citation needed Oklahoma Row's "tower section" is one of the earliest examples of a multi-story cement structure, citation needed and is also the only structure of Monte Ne still standing. Monte Ne also had the first indoor swimming pool in Arkansas, citation needed and one of the earliest golf courses in the world. Monte Ne was also the site of the only presidential convention ever in Arkansas.
Despite being an attractive vacation spot, it never succeeded financially, mostly due to Harvey's eccentric management style. citation needed Eventually it went bankrupt, and most of it was sold off in lots. The remainder of the resort and town was largely submerged after Beaver Lake was constructed in 1964. All that remains visible are foundations and one severely vandalized structure. The area on the edge of Beaver Lake is still referred to as Monte Ne, and is owned and maintained by the United States Government through the Army Corps of Engineers.
Monte Ne was entirely conceived and funded by William "Coin" Hope Harvey. It was built between 1900 and 1920, with the majority of construction taking place before 1905. Harvey was a well-known businessman, lecturer and author in the 1890s. He made a lot of money silver mining in Colorado, but Monte Ne seems to have been funded mostly by the sale of his books—mainly on the subject of free silver citation needed. His most popular pamphlet entitled Coin's Financial School was published in 1893. Buoyed by his involvement in the presidential campaign of William Jennings Bryan, it sold several million copies. citation needed
Soon after Bryan lost his bid for the Presidency, Harvey visited Northwest Arkansas. The area was known for its unique, pristine, natural beauty. In October of 1900, he purchased 320 acres of land in Silver Springs, Arkansas, close to present day Rogers. From then on he lived in Arkansas, claiming that he preferred the state because it had no large cities or extremely wealthy people. citation needed Harvey moved into a run-down log house on his new property, and his family stayed behind in Chicago. His son Tom joined him shortly thereafter to help prepare the house for the arrival of the rest of the family. Harvey's other son, Hal, and his wife Anna and Harvey's daughter Annette joined them later. A few months after the family had moved in, the log house burned to the ground. All of the family's possessions, including Harvey's large library, were lost. Harvey carried no insurance on the house and, after its destruction, Anna left Monte Ne and returned only for brief visits.
Harvey's land purchase coincided with a desire by the post master to change the name of the area, because it was often confused with Siloam Springs, Arkansas. Harvey chose the name Monte Ne, supposedly combining the Spanish and Omaha Indian words for mountain water, [1] because it "fit the tongue attractively." Familiar with European health spas, Harvey wanted to turn Monte Ne into a "watering hole" in the Ozarks.
Harvey began by commissioning the dredging of a canal. Silver Springs Creek was narrowed between Big Spring and Elixir Spring, creating Big Spring Lake. The creek was then channeled to form what Harvey referred to as "the lagoon." Limestone retaining walls, boardwalks, and park areas were built along the banks of the creeks and the lake. The place quickly became a popular spot for pleasure boating, picnics, and other outdoor activities. Many of the visitors commented how clear the water was, and The Rogers Democrat said that it looked "like pure alcohol." Harvey stocked the waters with fish to ensure a good catch for the guests.
END PROOFING
Any questions? -- Reverend Lee 11:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
It seems better, but you probably should link to the diff on your sandbox comparing the old and newest versions (as to make it easier to see the changes.) -- Sigma 7 02:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
References
All of the citations for Historic Monte Ne use the author's first name (Allyn) instead of her last name (Lord). The cover of the book clearly shows that her name is "Allyn Lord". If the citations need to be changed to use her last name, I can do that. -- Jtir 22:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
This edit is per Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Monte Ne and, IMHO, not a real improvement. There had been 32 Lord cites and now there are 29, yet the notes look more cluttered than before. If anyone objects, I will undo this edit. -- Jtir 18:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
The name of the business is Monte Ne Inn Chicken, not Monte Ne Inn. Further, the 1972 date is not sourced by the history page at the Monte Ne Inn web site.
-- Jtir 18:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
This link has gone dead. I poked around the site but could not find the photo.
-- Jtir 13:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
J. H. Field Photographs, 1899-1931 Photographs, negatives, and papers (1899-1931) Manuscript Collection 539 28. Morning Mists at Monte Ne. Lagoon with gondola, Monte Ne, Benton County, Arkansas, ca. 1920. See also Field Photographs (Access. No. 434), #1. * a. 10 1/2 x 7 1/2, on 13 1/2 x 10 1/4 cream-colored sheet. * b. 10 1/2 x 7 1/2, on 14 x 11 sheet.
The exlink is still dead, so I have commented it out and tagged the paragraph with {{ fact}} here. -- Jtir 22:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Harvey's hotels: "... built of 8,000 logs with a cement floor re-tile roof." -- Jtir 09:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
"Long" sounds redundant, but I can't tell which one to remove. I believe the first "long" is intended to describe a general feature that is common to both hotels.
Why are the porches so much longer than the building?
-- Jtir 09:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
How could he have died a year after his funeral?
-- Jtir 09:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Aside from some of the factual issues cited above, I would like to see a few other issues addressed before promotion:
Please let me know when these points have been responded to/addressed on my Talk. Cheers, Tewfik Talk 05:24, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks to all the editors who helped make this article GA quality. -- Hdt83 Chat 20:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I knew I had photos of my sister and me in the white stone chairs in Frisco Park in Rogers, and wouldn't you know it - I located them today at my parents' house, and scanned them in. I'll probably get those uploaded this weekend once my large scanning session is complete. The photos are from December 1987. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 14:17, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
"The hotel had forty 16 ft² (1.5 m²) rooms" - this seems extmely small, not large enough to fit a bed. Are these possibly out by a factor of ten? Billy Catastrophe ( talk) 10:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
I'll wager it's intended to be 16 feet square (16x16) rather than 16 square feet (4x4). Janeyferr ( talk) 11:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
That would make sense, if the metric unit was just a conversion of the original misinterpreted imperial. A 256 square foot room (23.8 square metres) is much more habitable! Does anyone have access to the source to confirm? Billy Catastrophe ( talk) 12:14, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
"The hotel boasted 40 sixteen-foot-square (sic) rooms, each with a fireplace to ward off the chill on summer nights in the valley. The hotel claimed it could accommodate 200 extra people on cots when occasion requires it"
-- The_stuart ( talk) 15:46, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, I've changed the article to reflect Billy Catastrophe ( talk) 13:12, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
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The old article had large sections lifted almost directly from sources, and there were of course some issues with citations. The story of Monte Ne is told most completely in the book by Allyn Lord, hence most of the references are to that book. Prior to publishing the re-write, I sent the article to the Rogers Historical Museum for their review and comments. Littleboybrew ( talk) 21:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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Without at least more references, it is unlikely this article will attain GA status. -- Kmsiever 06:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Failed for the reason given above--insufficient inline citations. A good rule of thumb for GA status is to aim for at least one citation per paragraph, more or less depending on how controversial the material is. All direct quotes must be cited.
It is an interesting and very promising article, however. Please feel free to resubmit once this has been fixed. MLilburne 08:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I copied this article to my sandbox for proofing. I shall return. — Reverend Lee 20:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Monte Ne | |
![]() The mostly submerged Monte Ne Amphitheater in the Spring of 2006 | |
Location |
Benton County,
Arkansas ![]() |
---|---|
Nearest city | Rogers |
Coordinates | 36°17′8.8″N 94°4′11.26″W / 36.285778°N 94.0697944°W |
Built | 1900-1920 |
Architect | A.O. Clarke |
NRHP reference No. | 78000575 |
Added to NRHP | 1978 |
Monte Ne was an ambitious planned community and health resort from 1901 to about the mid 1930s. Located east of Rogers, Arkansas, in the Ozark hills of the White River valley, Monte Ne was once owned by financial theorist and one-time presidential nominee, William Hope Harvey. Two of its hotels, Missouri Row and Oklahoma Row, were the largest log buildings in the world. citation needed Oklahoma Row's "tower section" is one of the earliest examples of a multi-story cement structure, citation needed and is also the only structure of Monte Ne still standing. Monte Ne also had the first indoor swimming pool in Arkansas, citation needed and one of the earliest golf courses in the world. Monte Ne was also the site of the only presidential convention ever in Arkansas.
Despite being an attractive vacation spot, it never succeeded financially, mostly due to Harvey's eccentric management style. citation needed Eventually it went bankrupt, and most of it was sold off in lots. The remainder of the resort and town was largely submerged after Beaver Lake was constructed in 1964. All that remains visible are foundations and one severely vandalized structure. The area on the edge of Beaver Lake is still referred to as Monte Ne, and is owned and maintained by the United States Government through the Army Corps of Engineers.
Monte Ne was entirely conceived and funded by William "Coin" Hope Harvey. It was built between 1900 and 1920, with the majority of construction taking place before 1905. Harvey was a well-known businessman, lecturer and author in the 1890s. He made a lot of money silver mining in Colorado, but Monte Ne seems to have been funded mostly by the sale of his books—mainly on the subject of free silver citation needed. His most popular pamphlet entitled Coin's Financial School was published in 1893. Buoyed by his involvement in the presidential campaign of William Jennings Bryan, it sold several million copies. citation needed
Soon after Bryan lost his bid for the Presidency, Harvey visited Northwest Arkansas. The area was known for its unique, pristine, natural beauty. In October of 1900, he purchased 320 acres of land in Silver Springs, Arkansas, close to present day Rogers. From then on he lived in Arkansas, claiming that he preferred the state because it had no large cities or extremely wealthy people. citation needed Harvey moved into a run-down log house on his new property, and his family stayed behind in Chicago. His son Tom joined him shortly thereafter to help prepare the house for the arrival of the rest of the family. Harvey's other son, Hal, and his wife Anna and Harvey's daughter Annette joined them later. A few months after the family had moved in, the log house burned to the ground. All of the family's possessions, including Harvey's large library, were lost. Harvey carried no insurance on the house and, after its destruction, Anna left Monte Ne and returned only for brief visits.
Harvey's land purchase coincided with a desire by the post master to change the name of the area, because it was often confused with Siloam Springs, Arkansas. Harvey chose the name Monte Ne, supposedly combining the Spanish and Omaha Indian words for mountain water, [1] because it "fit the tongue attractively." Familiar with European health spas, Harvey wanted to turn Monte Ne into a "watering hole" in the Ozarks.
Harvey began by commissioning the dredging of a canal. Silver Springs Creek was narrowed between Big Spring and Elixir Spring, creating Big Spring Lake. The creek was then channeled to form what Harvey referred to as "the lagoon." Limestone retaining walls, boardwalks, and park areas were built along the banks of the creeks and the lake. The place quickly became a popular spot for pleasure boating, picnics, and other outdoor activities. Many of the visitors commented how clear the water was, and The Rogers Democrat said that it looked "like pure alcohol." Harvey stocked the waters with fish to ensure a good catch for the guests.
END PROOFING
Any questions? -- Reverend Lee 11:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
It seems better, but you probably should link to the diff on your sandbox comparing the old and newest versions (as to make it easier to see the changes.) -- Sigma 7 02:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
References
All of the citations for Historic Monte Ne use the author's first name (Allyn) instead of her last name (Lord). The cover of the book clearly shows that her name is "Allyn Lord". If the citations need to be changed to use her last name, I can do that. -- Jtir 22:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
This edit is per Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Monte Ne and, IMHO, not a real improvement. There had been 32 Lord cites and now there are 29, yet the notes look more cluttered than before. If anyone objects, I will undo this edit. -- Jtir 18:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
The name of the business is Monte Ne Inn Chicken, not Monte Ne Inn. Further, the 1972 date is not sourced by the history page at the Monte Ne Inn web site.
-- Jtir 18:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
This link has gone dead. I poked around the site but could not find the photo.
-- Jtir 13:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
J. H. Field Photographs, 1899-1931 Photographs, negatives, and papers (1899-1931) Manuscript Collection 539 28. Morning Mists at Monte Ne. Lagoon with gondola, Monte Ne, Benton County, Arkansas, ca. 1920. See also Field Photographs (Access. No. 434), #1. * a. 10 1/2 x 7 1/2, on 13 1/2 x 10 1/4 cream-colored sheet. * b. 10 1/2 x 7 1/2, on 14 x 11 sheet.
The exlink is still dead, so I have commented it out and tagged the paragraph with {{ fact}} here. -- Jtir 22:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Harvey's hotels: "... built of 8,000 logs with a cement floor re-tile roof." -- Jtir 09:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
"Long" sounds redundant, but I can't tell which one to remove. I believe the first "long" is intended to describe a general feature that is common to both hotels.
Why are the porches so much longer than the building?
-- Jtir 09:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
How could he have died a year after his funeral?
-- Jtir 09:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Aside from some of the factual issues cited above, I would like to see a few other issues addressed before promotion:
Please let me know when these points have been responded to/addressed on my Talk. Cheers, Tewfik Talk 05:24, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks to all the editors who helped make this article GA quality. -- Hdt83 Chat 20:12, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I knew I had photos of my sister and me in the white stone chairs in Frisco Park in Rogers, and wouldn't you know it - I located them today at my parents' house, and scanned them in. I'll probably get those uploaded this weekend once my large scanning session is complete. The photos are from December 1987. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 14:17, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
"The hotel had forty 16 ft² (1.5 m²) rooms" - this seems extmely small, not large enough to fit a bed. Are these possibly out by a factor of ten? Billy Catastrophe ( talk) 10:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
I'll wager it's intended to be 16 feet square (16x16) rather than 16 square feet (4x4). Janeyferr ( talk) 11:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
That would make sense, if the metric unit was just a conversion of the original misinterpreted imperial. A 256 square foot room (23.8 square metres) is much more habitable! Does anyone have access to the source to confirm? Billy Catastrophe ( talk) 12:14, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
"The hotel boasted 40 sixteen-foot-square (sic) rooms, each with a fireplace to ward off the chill on summer nights in the valley. The hotel claimed it could accommodate 200 extra people on cots when occasion requires it"
-- The_stuart ( talk) 15:46, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, I've changed the article to reflect Billy Catastrophe ( talk) 13:12, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
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The old article had large sections lifted almost directly from sources, and there were of course some issues with citations. The story of Monte Ne is told most completely in the book by Allyn Lord, hence most of the references are to that book. Prior to publishing the re-write, I sent the article to the Rogers Historical Museum for their review and comments. Littleboybrew ( talk) 21:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)