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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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the article's talk page or
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Nominated within one week of creation, and is over 1500 bytes, satisfying date and length criteria. The first two sentences of the history section are not supported by the associated ref. (It neither mentions 1978 nor the company founding, or even Leroy taking over the company, but does mention Saunders "had moved on" from Neal's Yard.) I will assume good faith for a few refs I cannot access. The statement "Monmouth Coffee was one of their first customers" isn't supported by the citation (but does support that they were a customer). Is Phil Wain a recognized authority in this field? If not, his blog should not be considered a reliable source. Hooks are suitably short and have sources. So, after a few minor sourcing issues are remedied, this will be ready to go.
Mindmatrix20:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Mindmatrix, thank you for your questions, if the following answers are sufficient, if so I will update the article. Q1: The first two sentences of the history section are not supported by the associated ref. A1: I can replace that with two references: the New Statesman says it was opened by Saunders with a friend who later took over[1] and the CNJ says Saunders founded the shop in 1978 and Leroy took over.[2]
Q2: The statement "Monmouth Coffee was one of their first customers" isn't supported by the citation. A2: That was intended to be a summary of "Le Roy now had an avenue to get the coffees and information about them she had always wanted" and "outside of Monmouth, Stephen Hurst, the owner of Mercanta, had few roasteries clamoring for his product".[3] Would "Monmouth Coffee was one of their early customers" be better?
Q3: Is Phil Wain a recognized authority in this field? Phil Wain is the editor of Caffeine, a magazine which is distributed at independent coffee shops, so I thought he was a reliable source for a date. He is named as editor in the media pack accessible via their web page.[4] Nick Lander, the Financial Times journalist, wrote about the branch as newly opened in March 2002.[5]TSventon (
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23:08, 19 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Yes, those address my concerns. Please make those changes to the article so that I can approve this nomination. I will assume good faith that the cited magazines have some reasonable level of credibility.
Mindmatrix01:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Thank you, I have updated the references. By the way, I also checked that Gwilym Davies, Jorge Fernandez, Greg Costello are mentioned online as ex Monmouth employees.
TSventon (
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01:50, 20 December 2021 (UTC)reply
^Robson, David (27 February 1998).
"The prophet of Neal's Yard". New Statesman. Vol. 127, Issues 4366-4378. p. 32. Retrieved 19 December 2021. With a friend, he opened a shop and coffee house in Monmouth Street, which backs on to Neal's Yard . A few years later the friend took it over.
Thank you, I hadn't thought of Flickr. The shop photos all seem to be Monmouth Street, you can see the vertical wooden beam and the statue with the hat in the window.
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23:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)reply
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A fact from Monmouth Coffee Company appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 January 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Nominated within one week of creation, and is over 1500 bytes, satisfying date and length criteria. The first two sentences of the history section are not supported by the associated ref. (It neither mentions 1978 nor the company founding, or even Leroy taking over the company, but does mention Saunders "had moved on" from Neal's Yard.) I will assume good faith for a few refs I cannot access. The statement "Monmouth Coffee was one of their first customers" isn't supported by the citation (but does support that they were a customer). Is Phil Wain a recognized authority in this field? If not, his blog should not be considered a reliable source. Hooks are suitably short and have sources. So, after a few minor sourcing issues are remedied, this will be ready to go.
Mindmatrix20:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Mindmatrix, thank you for your questions, if the following answers are sufficient, if so I will update the article. Q1: The first two sentences of the history section are not supported by the associated ref. A1: I can replace that with two references: the New Statesman says it was opened by Saunders with a friend who later took over[1] and the CNJ says Saunders founded the shop in 1978 and Leroy took over.[2]
Q2: The statement "Monmouth Coffee was one of their first customers" isn't supported by the citation. A2: That was intended to be a summary of "Le Roy now had an avenue to get the coffees and information about them she had always wanted" and "outside of Monmouth, Stephen Hurst, the owner of Mercanta, had few roasteries clamoring for his product".[3] Would "Monmouth Coffee was one of their early customers" be better?
Q3: Is Phil Wain a recognized authority in this field? Phil Wain is the editor of Caffeine, a magazine which is distributed at independent coffee shops, so I thought he was a reliable source for a date. He is named as editor in the media pack accessible via their web page.[4] Nick Lander, the Financial Times journalist, wrote about the branch as newly opened in March 2002.[5]TSventon (
talk)
23:08, 19 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Yes, those address my concerns. Please make those changes to the article so that I can approve this nomination. I will assume good faith that the cited magazines have some reasonable level of credibility.
Mindmatrix01:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Thank you, I have updated the references. By the way, I also checked that Gwilym Davies, Jorge Fernandez, Greg Costello are mentioned online as ex Monmouth employees.
TSventon (
talk)
01:50, 20 December 2021 (UTC)reply
^Robson, David (27 February 1998).
"The prophet of Neal's Yard". New Statesman. Vol. 127, Issues 4366-4378. p. 32. Retrieved 19 December 2021. With a friend, he opened a shop and coffee house in Monmouth Street, which backs on to Neal's Yard . A few years later the friend took it over.
Thank you, I hadn't thought of Flickr. The shop photos all seem to be Monmouth Street, you can see the vertical wooden beam and the statue with the hat in the window.
TSventon (
talk)
23:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)reply