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Which member of the Dutch royal family was it who was born in Ottawa? - montréalais
Princess Margriet (the youngest sister of Queen Beatrix) was born 1943/01/19 in Ottawa, when the family were refugees in Canada due to the German occupation of the Netherlands. Jeronimo
Interestingly though, she was not born in Canada, as the wing of the hospital where Princess Juliana was giving birth was officialy ceded to the Netherlands for the purpose of this event, and presumably returned to Canada afterwards. Lokimaros 10:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
It was not ceded to the Netherlands, but simply declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. See Princess Margriet of the Netherlands. MrTree 15:09, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
She was not her youngest sister: Christina is. She was born in the Netherlands after the war
Are there any Republicans in the Netherlands? I know for instance there are quite a few Republicans in England (and probably even more than will publicly admit it -- it appears to me that a significant portion of Labour MPs have Republican sympathies, but the Blair Government would like to avoid this being overly noticed, lest they offend the royalists in the general public.)
Very interesting question !
Only a few are confessed Republicans.
Many have Republican sympathies, but do not care too much.
Even recently deceased
Prince Claus of the Netherlands called the Netherlands a republican monarchy in an interview he gave for German (his home country) television.
The
House of Orange-Nassau ruled the Dutch Republic (in episodes) for ages before the Netherlands became a kingdom under their rule.
The Dutch monarchy is less distant from the public than e.g. the British monarchy.
In daily practice many feel that a republic is more democratic in theory, but may be more autocratic in practice.
For instance the United States and France have much more power centralised in the person of the president than the dutch government has in the person of the prime minister.
Formal power of the queen is very limited.
I may add some of this to the current page.
Erik Zachte
This articles states that Luxembourg became independent in 1890 because of the accession of Wilhelmina. The Luxembourg and History of Luxembourg articles both give an earlier date 1835 and 1867. Which is true? Danny
Luxembourg became virtually independent in 1867, (Treaty of London, AFAIK), but the head of state would remain the Dutch monarch; sort of like the Queen of England is the head of Australia and Canada. When William III died in 1890, the accession rules in Luxembourg required a male heir, while the Dutch rules allowed for Wilhelmina (through Emma at first) to inherit the title. Adolf of Nassau was then appointed Grand Duke of Luxembourg, ending the "two nations, one monarch" situation. Jeronimo
The article currently treats "the Netherlands" as a plural (as in "The Netherlands have been"). Is this standard? Google finds twice as many hits for "The Netherlands has," and Google News (hich can usually be counted on to be more correct) contains nearly eight times as many hits for "The Netherlands has." — Asbestos | Talk 09:06, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
In the Netherlands itself official usage would be to treat "the Netherlands" as the plural it is, but the nations name in Dutch is "Nederland", a singular. Of course "Kingdom of the Netherlands" is singular. Lokimaros 15:00, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
The dates of the reign of William I on this page are 1815-1840, but on William I of the Netherlands they claim his reign was 1813-1843. One of these should be corrected. — Asbestos | Talk 09:19, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I've always heard that king William I was not a direct descendant of William the silent, those died ou in a paternal line when stadholder-king William III died in the early 18th century. He is a direct male-line descendant of one of William the silent's brothers I believe, although in a female line he is directly descendant to William the silent. Does anyone know it exactly? Knijert 14:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
The section about Juliana ends in what appears to be a Spanish sentence: "y miroouu kiere ser reina!", which I can't seem to fully translate through online translators. I would suggest someone with the necessary knowledge translates it, or, if they know what it says, removes it if spurious. Lokimaros 15:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
The article uses the expression "crown prince", but in the Dutch monarchy no such title/position exists. The term is "the Prince(ss) of Orange" instead -- as opposed to "a Prince(ss) of the Netherlands" and "Prince(ss) of Orange-Nassau". Lokimaros 16:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
IMHO this article appears to be 'overtemplated'. Ie the templates and boxes used take more space then the body text. This is a problem for layout. Please fix. Arnoutf ( talk) 13:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
What exactly are the powers that the Queen can preform without the approval of the parliment or the prime minister? (like the president's power to give pardons) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.197.164.38 ( talk) 17:37, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
This article suffers from a lack of information about what is the role of the monarch in contemporary Dutch life, what are the customs and protocol, what are the prerogatives of the monarch, what is the public attitude toward the monarchy, etc.
Also, there are biographical snippets on the three female monarchs but not on the three Williams.
I wish this article were a little more informative!
Tiss McVeigh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.16.177 ( talk) 23:17, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello Ben! Great job in fleshing out the article! Constructive criticism: May I suggest recasting some phrases for a more international audience?
It is quite well and understood that the use of 'King' within the Dutch constitution is to be understood as gender neutral. However, this English language wiki is focused for an international worldwide audience. Therefore, the use of a lowercase q for "queen Beatrix" is incorrect. In all cases, including in use on the the Dutch Royal House website, Queen Beatrix's title is capitalized even when referring to the queen in her role as head-of-state. The website, nor any source that I can see, qualifies the statement: This practice sometimes carries over into written language in Dutch, when the capitalized word "King" is used to distinguish the role of monarch from the person (who is then referred to as the uncapitalized "king" or "queen"). This may be a true nuiance within the Dutch language, but it does not have an English language counterpart. In fact, the only time when the title king or queen should be capitalized on Wiki should be when it is part of a formal title... Queen of the Netherlands and Queen Beatrix, verses the Dutch queen or Dutch kings and queens (monarch's in general).
Furthermore, while within the Netherlands (or England, Spain, ect) it is correct for local media write out and capitalize The Queen (when it is understood which queen they are speaking of), it is incorrect for Wiki as the title not capitalized except when used with a name or in the formal title. Queen of the United Kingdom verses English kings and queens, for example.
Otherwise, Ben, I think your doing a great job fleshing the article out!!! Keep up the good work! I do recommend more in text citations, however. Especially in the segments such as "Positions of other members of the Royal House and royal family" and "The monarchy in Dutch society". There seems to be alot of opinion statements in those sections that should be backed up with sources. ♦Drachenfyre♦· Talk 07:56, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I changed the language in this section. As it stood it seemed that ceding royal authority or being removed from it temporarily means ceding the throne or being removed from it.... ceasing to be monarch so to speak. Since that is not the case I adjusted the language... Gerard von Hebel ( talk) 21:01, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Any suggestions where a guy could get some opinions from Dutch people on the queen abdicating the throne? Curiosity hits! MIVP - Allow us to be of assistance to you. (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 20:46, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
The line of succession includes all members of the Royal Family who are not further removed from the current monarch than the third degree of consanguinity, i.e. children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, brothers/sisters, nephews/nieces, and uncles/aunts. The Royal House on the other hand includes only those members of the Royal Family in the line of succession who are related to the monarch up to two degrees of consanguinity. Hence, the children of Prince Constantijn for example are still in the line of succession, but ceased to be members of the Royal House once King Willem-Alexander acceded to the throne (note: they are related in the second degree of consanguinity to former Queen Beatrix, but are related only in the third degree to King Willem-Alexander).
Princess Margriet is an exception. As King Willem-Alexander's aunt (thus related to the monarch in the third degree of consanguinity), she should be in the line of succession, but should not be a member of the Royal House. like Prince Constantijn's children. However, a particular clause in the 2002 Wet lidmaatschap koninklijk huis allows all people who were adult members of the Royal House at the time the law was enacted to remain so as long as they are in the line of succession. The application of the same clause allowed Princess Margriet's children, Prince Maurits and Prince Bernhard, to remain members of the Royal House while Queen Beatrix still occupied the throne since, as the Queen's nephews, they were still in line of succession. When their cousin, King Willem-Alexander, acceded to the throne, they lost their position in the line of succession (being now related to the monarch in the fourth, rather than the third degree of consanguinity) and, therefore, also ceased to be members of the Royal House.
The transcription of the relevant clauses of the law is shown below.
161.24.19.112 ( talk) 13:03, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
161.24.19.112 ( talk) 17:28, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
This section should be rewritten, given that the rules have changed so significantly within the last years. It is contradictory that it in the beginning puts such strong emphasis on the role of the King as not simply ceremonial (based on a source from 2000), yet later briefly mentions the changes made by the States-General which renders that firm assertion as obsolete (or a monarchist-POV no longer supported by facts). The section should of course briefly mention the former procedure, but the present order should be the focus. RicJac ( talk) 23:27, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
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Which member of the Dutch royal family was it who was born in Ottawa? - montréalais
Princess Margriet (the youngest sister of Queen Beatrix) was born 1943/01/19 in Ottawa, when the family were refugees in Canada due to the German occupation of the Netherlands. Jeronimo
Interestingly though, she was not born in Canada, as the wing of the hospital where Princess Juliana was giving birth was officialy ceded to the Netherlands for the purpose of this event, and presumably returned to Canada afterwards. Lokimaros 10:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
It was not ceded to the Netherlands, but simply declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. See Princess Margriet of the Netherlands. MrTree 15:09, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
She was not her youngest sister: Christina is. She was born in the Netherlands after the war
Are there any Republicans in the Netherlands? I know for instance there are quite a few Republicans in England (and probably even more than will publicly admit it -- it appears to me that a significant portion of Labour MPs have Republican sympathies, but the Blair Government would like to avoid this being overly noticed, lest they offend the royalists in the general public.)
Very interesting question !
Only a few are confessed Republicans.
Many have Republican sympathies, but do not care too much.
Even recently deceased
Prince Claus of the Netherlands called the Netherlands a republican monarchy in an interview he gave for German (his home country) television.
The
House of Orange-Nassau ruled the Dutch Republic (in episodes) for ages before the Netherlands became a kingdom under their rule.
The Dutch monarchy is less distant from the public than e.g. the British monarchy.
In daily practice many feel that a republic is more democratic in theory, but may be more autocratic in practice.
For instance the United States and France have much more power centralised in the person of the president than the dutch government has in the person of the prime minister.
Formal power of the queen is very limited.
I may add some of this to the current page.
Erik Zachte
This articles states that Luxembourg became independent in 1890 because of the accession of Wilhelmina. The Luxembourg and History of Luxembourg articles both give an earlier date 1835 and 1867. Which is true? Danny
Luxembourg became virtually independent in 1867, (Treaty of London, AFAIK), but the head of state would remain the Dutch monarch; sort of like the Queen of England is the head of Australia and Canada. When William III died in 1890, the accession rules in Luxembourg required a male heir, while the Dutch rules allowed for Wilhelmina (through Emma at first) to inherit the title. Adolf of Nassau was then appointed Grand Duke of Luxembourg, ending the "two nations, one monarch" situation. Jeronimo
The article currently treats "the Netherlands" as a plural (as in "The Netherlands have been"). Is this standard? Google finds twice as many hits for "The Netherlands has," and Google News (hich can usually be counted on to be more correct) contains nearly eight times as many hits for "The Netherlands has." — Asbestos | Talk 09:06, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
In the Netherlands itself official usage would be to treat "the Netherlands" as the plural it is, but the nations name in Dutch is "Nederland", a singular. Of course "Kingdom of the Netherlands" is singular. Lokimaros 15:00, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
The dates of the reign of William I on this page are 1815-1840, but on William I of the Netherlands they claim his reign was 1813-1843. One of these should be corrected. — Asbestos | Talk 09:19, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I've always heard that king William I was not a direct descendant of William the silent, those died ou in a paternal line when stadholder-king William III died in the early 18th century. He is a direct male-line descendant of one of William the silent's brothers I believe, although in a female line he is directly descendant to William the silent. Does anyone know it exactly? Knijert 14:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
The section about Juliana ends in what appears to be a Spanish sentence: "y miroouu kiere ser reina!", which I can't seem to fully translate through online translators. I would suggest someone with the necessary knowledge translates it, or, if they know what it says, removes it if spurious. Lokimaros 15:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
The article uses the expression "crown prince", but in the Dutch monarchy no such title/position exists. The term is "the Prince(ss) of Orange" instead -- as opposed to "a Prince(ss) of the Netherlands" and "Prince(ss) of Orange-Nassau". Lokimaros 16:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
IMHO this article appears to be 'overtemplated'. Ie the templates and boxes used take more space then the body text. This is a problem for layout. Please fix. Arnoutf ( talk) 13:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
What exactly are the powers that the Queen can preform without the approval of the parliment or the prime minister? (like the president's power to give pardons) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.197.164.38 ( talk) 17:37, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
This article suffers from a lack of information about what is the role of the monarch in contemporary Dutch life, what are the customs and protocol, what are the prerogatives of the monarch, what is the public attitude toward the monarchy, etc.
Also, there are biographical snippets on the three female monarchs but not on the three Williams.
I wish this article were a little more informative!
Tiss McVeigh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.16.177 ( talk) 23:17, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello Ben! Great job in fleshing out the article! Constructive criticism: May I suggest recasting some phrases for a more international audience?
It is quite well and understood that the use of 'King' within the Dutch constitution is to be understood as gender neutral. However, this English language wiki is focused for an international worldwide audience. Therefore, the use of a lowercase q for "queen Beatrix" is incorrect. In all cases, including in use on the the Dutch Royal House website, Queen Beatrix's title is capitalized even when referring to the queen in her role as head-of-state. The website, nor any source that I can see, qualifies the statement: This practice sometimes carries over into written language in Dutch, when the capitalized word "King" is used to distinguish the role of monarch from the person (who is then referred to as the uncapitalized "king" or "queen"). This may be a true nuiance within the Dutch language, but it does not have an English language counterpart. In fact, the only time when the title king or queen should be capitalized on Wiki should be when it is part of a formal title... Queen of the Netherlands and Queen Beatrix, verses the Dutch queen or Dutch kings and queens (monarch's in general).
Furthermore, while within the Netherlands (or England, Spain, ect) it is correct for local media write out and capitalize The Queen (when it is understood which queen they are speaking of), it is incorrect for Wiki as the title not capitalized except when used with a name or in the formal title. Queen of the United Kingdom verses English kings and queens, for example.
Otherwise, Ben, I think your doing a great job fleshing the article out!!! Keep up the good work! I do recommend more in text citations, however. Especially in the segments such as "Positions of other members of the Royal House and royal family" and "The monarchy in Dutch society". There seems to be alot of opinion statements in those sections that should be backed up with sources. ♦Drachenfyre♦· Talk 07:56, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I changed the language in this section. As it stood it seemed that ceding royal authority or being removed from it temporarily means ceding the throne or being removed from it.... ceasing to be monarch so to speak. Since that is not the case I adjusted the language... Gerard von Hebel ( talk) 21:01, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Any suggestions where a guy could get some opinions from Dutch people on the queen abdicating the throne? Curiosity hits! MIVP - Allow us to be of assistance to you. (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 20:46, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
The line of succession includes all members of the Royal Family who are not further removed from the current monarch than the third degree of consanguinity, i.e. children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, brothers/sisters, nephews/nieces, and uncles/aunts. The Royal House on the other hand includes only those members of the Royal Family in the line of succession who are related to the monarch up to two degrees of consanguinity. Hence, the children of Prince Constantijn for example are still in the line of succession, but ceased to be members of the Royal House once King Willem-Alexander acceded to the throne (note: they are related in the second degree of consanguinity to former Queen Beatrix, but are related only in the third degree to King Willem-Alexander).
Princess Margriet is an exception. As King Willem-Alexander's aunt (thus related to the monarch in the third degree of consanguinity), she should be in the line of succession, but should not be a member of the Royal House. like Prince Constantijn's children. However, a particular clause in the 2002 Wet lidmaatschap koninklijk huis allows all people who were adult members of the Royal House at the time the law was enacted to remain so as long as they are in the line of succession. The application of the same clause allowed Princess Margriet's children, Prince Maurits and Prince Bernhard, to remain members of the Royal House while Queen Beatrix still occupied the throne since, as the Queen's nephews, they were still in line of succession. When their cousin, King Willem-Alexander, acceded to the throne, they lost their position in the line of succession (being now related to the monarch in the fourth, rather than the third degree of consanguinity) and, therefore, also ceased to be members of the Royal House.
The transcription of the relevant clauses of the law is shown below.
161.24.19.112 ( talk) 13:03, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
161.24.19.112 ( talk) 17:28, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
This section should be rewritten, given that the rules have changed so significantly within the last years. It is contradictory that it in the beginning puts such strong emphasis on the role of the King as not simply ceremonial (based on a source from 2000), yet later briefly mentions the changes made by the States-General which renders that firm assertion as obsolete (or a monarchist-POV no longer supported by facts). The section should of course briefly mention the former procedure, but the present order should be the focus. RicJac ( talk) 23:27, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
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This article has been within the remit of WP:GOCE since March 2023 when the tone and copyedit banners were introduced within this edit, which may not have been done for the best of reasons. I began a copyedit as part of the current GOCE drive but, although I've dealt with some overlinking and lack of balance in the lead, I'm finding that the article as a whole is very well written. It is true that those parts of the article which reference the constitution are fairly complex but I think that is necessary to ensure accuracy.
It seems to me that the banners should not have been loaded so I've removed them. I have, however, added the more citations needed banner because there are areas such as the "Death and burial" section with none. PearlyGigs ( talk) 09:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)