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Congratulations on the birth of a great article, Camer. GoodDay ( talk) 21:10, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm taking you up on your invite, Cameron! -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 22:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Aruba is not part of the Netherlands Antilles, but a separate part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands alongside the Netherlands and the Netherlands Antilles; plus, the NA will be split up into two islands, while the other three will become part of the Netherlands proper, on 2010-01-01. — Nightstallion 23:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, how did this get over-looked? As for the split, it could be updated as soon as it happens. There should also be a small mention under the heading Succession laws in relation to the Dutch crown too. That-Vela-Fella ( talk) 21:19, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
This terminology makes not sense whatsoever, whey are the commonwealth states listed as native monarchies.-- Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 18:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I can see the confusion some may have, so was thinking that another more suitable word would suffice. There were 3 that I thought might work:
I'm sure a consensus could be reached on any of those OR some other more descriptive word could be used. That-Vela-Fella ( talk) 13:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
We need to clarify in the article what we mean. It's completely unintelligible otherwise. "American monarchy" sounds odd when the monarch is not American, and "non-American monarchy" sounds odd when the country is American. Also, we're missing the Dutch and British dependencies. kwami ( talk) 23:36, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
In merging the list and chart together, I removed the numeral from the link to Charles, Prince of Wales. The article used as a cite seems to state that Charles will, in fact, not use the regnal title Charles III, but George VII instead. I thought it was best that we not speculate. I hope this is acceptable to others. -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 00:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Having added the pretenders to American thrones to the article, I'm now wondering if Elizabeth II would be considered a pretender to the thrones of those countries of which she used to be monarch in right of, i.e. Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago. It would seem to me she is, but, as such, what would she be called since she no longer holds a title for those countries; Princess Elizabeth of Windsor (following the example of Prince Pedro Carlos of Orléans-Braganza)? -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 08:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I started a thread at Talk:List of the last monarchs who ruled the Americas asking about whether or not Hawaii would be included as part of North America or not. Perhaps those with more knowledge on the matter than I could weigh in there? -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 09:47, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
It seems potentially confusing to me, especially now information has been added. Perhaps it would be better to say there are X American monarchies and X oversee monarchies? Or does anyone have a better proposal? Best, ;) -- Cameron * 11:47, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy ( talk) 03:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Any comments/complaints r.e. my latest edits to the article? I know you want to achieve GA status, Cameron, so I hope I'm not botching anything up. -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 23:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
[outdent] Er, someone's going to have to fill in information on how the Swedish, Baltic Courland, Holy Roman, and Prussian monarchies fit in here; I have no idea where these crowns had influence in the Americas. -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 15:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Looking through the article, I wonder if the miscellaneous detail about levels of republican support and royal visits are worthy of inclusion in the summaries here. WP:SS seems to say that we should only provide a "moderate amount of info on the topic's more important points," which I think some of the content here exceeds. -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 18:11, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand why Canada is an "American monarchy" while Greenland is not. Both monarchs are European, and both countries are American. What am I missing? kwami ( talk) 09:15, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Could whoever added the book references please add the respective ISBN numbers to the reference template. Somebody added a bunch of Spanish language refs. I'd really appreciate those being added since my Spanish doesn't seem good enough...I can't find the ISBNs. Also, some sections need more references or the GA could fail. I'd really appreciate any help. :) -- Cameron * 17:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
In looking at the current lead, I noticed that there's a fair amount of repetition in it. As all Cameron recently did was remove the section header dividing the lead from the old context section, this seems to make it obvious that the repetition was pre-existing. Re-establishing the context section doesn't eliminate the repetition, but is it kosher to use the lead to lay out the context? I'm not really sure how to tackle this. -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 14:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
The map legend says:
Countries with pretenders, where modern borders align with the historical borders of the respectively claimed thrones
But actually shows a claim to Patagonia, corresponding to parts of two modern states. ðarkun coll 13:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
This map/legend was added in November of 2008 and (apparently) never changed as of August 3, 2010.
I don't understand it:
- If this map reflects only American monarchies (i.e. independent Commonwealth Realms): Why is Greenland also painted?
- If, on the other hand, this map reflects both American and settled monarchies: Why are Dutch and British territories not painted? (Aruba etc, and British Virgin Islands etc)
- In either case: Why is Greenland labeled as "male primogeniture, to be changed to equal primogeniture" when Danish monarchy follows equal primogeniture?
Sebasbronzini ( talk) 22:29, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why Sweden has been left out as a monarchy which at various times did possess territory in the Americas ( New Sweden, Guadeloupe & Saint Barthélemy)? RicJac ( talk) 13:44, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
That needs to be updated, and the map fixed.
And the sentence about it being determined by either deference to British law or patriated constitutions is wrong; it's by international treaty (since Balfour), which is why, for instance, courts in Canada consistantly find that the charter of rights and freedoms doesn't apply, so Catholics can't be King. Wily D 07:29, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Maybe I missed the article or section in this article that covers this, but I think this article should have something about monarchy movements in the Americas, or a link to said article if it already exists. What do you think? -- 66.92.0.62 ( talk) 05:41, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
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This 2009 listing contains significant uncited material, especially in the "Former monarchies" section, thus failing GA criterion 2b). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 23:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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Romana Didulo is a self-proclaimed Queen of Canada... -- 65.92.247.66 ( talk) 07:17, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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Congratulations on the birth of a great article, Camer. GoodDay ( talk) 21:10, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm taking you up on your invite, Cameron! -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 22:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Aruba is not part of the Netherlands Antilles, but a separate part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands alongside the Netherlands and the Netherlands Antilles; plus, the NA will be split up into two islands, while the other three will become part of the Netherlands proper, on 2010-01-01. — Nightstallion 23:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, how did this get over-looked? As for the split, it could be updated as soon as it happens. There should also be a small mention under the heading Succession laws in relation to the Dutch crown too. That-Vela-Fella ( talk) 21:19, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
This terminology makes not sense whatsoever, whey are the commonwealth states listed as native monarchies.-- Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 18:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I can see the confusion some may have, so was thinking that another more suitable word would suffice. There were 3 that I thought might work:
I'm sure a consensus could be reached on any of those OR some other more descriptive word could be used. That-Vela-Fella ( talk) 13:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
We need to clarify in the article what we mean. It's completely unintelligible otherwise. "American monarchy" sounds odd when the monarch is not American, and "non-American monarchy" sounds odd when the country is American. Also, we're missing the Dutch and British dependencies. kwami ( talk) 23:36, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
In merging the list and chart together, I removed the numeral from the link to Charles, Prince of Wales. The article used as a cite seems to state that Charles will, in fact, not use the regnal title Charles III, but George VII instead. I thought it was best that we not speculate. I hope this is acceptable to others. -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 00:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Having added the pretenders to American thrones to the article, I'm now wondering if Elizabeth II would be considered a pretender to the thrones of those countries of which she used to be monarch in right of, i.e. Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago. It would seem to me she is, but, as such, what would she be called since she no longer holds a title for those countries; Princess Elizabeth of Windsor (following the example of Prince Pedro Carlos of Orléans-Braganza)? -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 08:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I started a thread at Talk:List of the last monarchs who ruled the Americas asking about whether or not Hawaii would be included as part of North America or not. Perhaps those with more knowledge on the matter than I could weigh in there? -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 09:47, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
It seems potentially confusing to me, especially now information has been added. Perhaps it would be better to say there are X American monarchies and X oversee monarchies? Or does anyone have a better proposal? Best, ;) -- Cameron * 11:47, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy ( talk) 03:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Any comments/complaints r.e. my latest edits to the article? I know you want to achieve GA status, Cameron, so I hope I'm not botching anything up. -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 23:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
[outdent] Er, someone's going to have to fill in information on how the Swedish, Baltic Courland, Holy Roman, and Prussian monarchies fit in here; I have no idea where these crowns had influence in the Americas. -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 15:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Looking through the article, I wonder if the miscellaneous detail about levels of republican support and royal visits are worthy of inclusion in the summaries here. WP:SS seems to say that we should only provide a "moderate amount of info on the topic's more important points," which I think some of the content here exceeds. -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 18:11, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand why Canada is an "American monarchy" while Greenland is not. Both monarchs are European, and both countries are American. What am I missing? kwami ( talk) 09:15, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Could whoever added the book references please add the respective ISBN numbers to the reference template. Somebody added a bunch of Spanish language refs. I'd really appreciate those being added since my Spanish doesn't seem good enough...I can't find the ISBNs. Also, some sections need more references or the GA could fail. I'd really appreciate any help. :) -- Cameron * 17:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
In looking at the current lead, I noticed that there's a fair amount of repetition in it. As all Cameron recently did was remove the section header dividing the lead from the old context section, this seems to make it obvious that the repetition was pre-existing. Re-establishing the context section doesn't eliminate the repetition, but is it kosher to use the lead to lay out the context? I'm not really sure how to tackle this. -- Miesianiacal ( talk) 14:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
The map legend says:
Countries with pretenders, where modern borders align with the historical borders of the respectively claimed thrones
But actually shows a claim to Patagonia, corresponding to parts of two modern states. ðarkun coll 13:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
This map/legend was added in November of 2008 and (apparently) never changed as of August 3, 2010.
I don't understand it:
- If this map reflects only American monarchies (i.e. independent Commonwealth Realms): Why is Greenland also painted?
- If, on the other hand, this map reflects both American and settled monarchies: Why are Dutch and British territories not painted? (Aruba etc, and British Virgin Islands etc)
- In either case: Why is Greenland labeled as "male primogeniture, to be changed to equal primogeniture" when Danish monarchy follows equal primogeniture?
Sebasbronzini ( talk) 22:29, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why Sweden has been left out as a monarchy which at various times did possess territory in the Americas ( New Sweden, Guadeloupe & Saint Barthélemy)? RicJac ( talk) 13:44, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
That needs to be updated, and the map fixed.
And the sentence about it being determined by either deference to British law or patriated constitutions is wrong; it's by international treaty (since Balfour), which is why, for instance, courts in Canada consistantly find that the charter of rights and freedoms doesn't apply, so Catholics can't be King. Wily D 07:29, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Maybe I missed the article or section in this article that covers this, but I think this article should have something about monarchy movements in the Americas, or a link to said article if it already exists. What do you think? -- 66.92.0.62 ( talk) 05:41, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
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This 2009 listing contains significant uncited material, especially in the "Former monarchies" section, thus failing GA criterion 2b). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 23:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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Romana Didulo is a self-proclaimed Queen of Canada... -- 65.92.247.66 ( talk) 07:17, 3 January 2024 (UTC)