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[moved from user page] Don't really like the 4 rather similar insects as the lead image - would rather have one large beast, say the 4th one. What d'you think?
Chiswick Chap (
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08:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)reply
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User:Alborzagros: Sorry, hadn't spotted your involvement. I've changed to a single strong image of a mole cricket as I believe it gives a clearer picture of the nature of this (in truth very homogeneous) group. The multiple images of what are really very similar insects do not seem to me to help the reader; rather, given the very small screens many people are now using, it gives a weaker idea of what the insects may be like, the details almost invisibly small. (In fact, even on a large desktop screen, with the taxobox limiting the image size, things are not much better.) As this is the lead image, whose job it is to give an instant impression, I'd suggest that's not ideal. I respect the work done on the image and caption, but think we're much better off with a readable image. Do hope this is ok with you, this wasn't a random change.
Chiswick Chap (
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10:38, 21 September 2015 (UTC)reply
First thought, seems a bit scant on photos of the subject. Perhaps some of the white space in the taxon list could be utilised for this? To show a few representative species? Could also be nice to have a front view of a specimen.
"Distribution of the 3 main genera of Gryllotalpidae" What does "main genera" mean? Might be better to just name them in the caption, now it seems a bit arbitrary.
"in 2015 identifies six tribes, of which four are new" New as in they were named in that study? Could be clarified, since "new" is a recentism that won't mean much in, say, ten years.
"Males attract mates by constructing specially-shaped tunnels in which they sing" Seems a bit odd to have a selflink to a previous section the reader would already have read.
Oh. I'd say it does no harm, and remember that people read articles in different ways, not least by clicking on the Table of Contents to jump to whatever they may be interested in. I generally try to avoid saying "See above" but we can do that if you prefer.
Chiswick Chap (
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15:56, 27 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Because the song section comes before the burrowing section, it was unclear to me that males make burrows only for attracting mates until I got to the latter part. May want to mention it earlier or switch the sections around. Also because burrowing seems like more of a definitive feature than chirping for this group.
"In their native lands, mole crickets have natural enemies that keep them under control. This is not the case when they have been accidentally introduced to other parts of the world." But weren't there already native species of mole crickets in such places (as the text says their distribution is naturally worldwide except Antarctica)?
It seems apparent, from the fact that various biological controls have been used, that their introduction to new localities/countries can be problematic. Worldwide distribution means they are present on all continents rather than being present everywhere.
Cwmhiraeth (
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17:55, 27 September 2015 (UTC)reply
"They always sing underground, in a specially constructed burrow " Perhaps specify this is the males, if that is the case.
I don't edit wiki, but for the human culture thing, mole crickets are mentioned in poem 16 of the ancient Chinese poetry collection, Nineteen Old Poems. "16. 凜凜歲云暮 – Bitterly Cold, the Year Ends" Someone might wish to incorporate that information.
These are very common in Thailand as well - very commonly eaten as food daily there. Map needs updating. Sorry I'm not tech-able and hope someone can update.
Nosirromjretep (
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09:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
While you're correct, we're limited to copyright-free image files someone makes available in the Wikimedia Commons. The best global map for the family is
here. That image is copyrighted, however.
Dyanega (
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15:10, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Insects, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
insects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.InsectsWikipedia:WikiProject InsectsTemplate:WikiProject InsectsInsects articles
[moved from user page] Don't really like the 4 rather similar insects as the lead image - would rather have one large beast, say the 4th one. What d'you think?
Chiswick Chap (
talk)
08:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)reply
@
User:Alborzagros: Sorry, hadn't spotted your involvement. I've changed to a single strong image of a mole cricket as I believe it gives a clearer picture of the nature of this (in truth very homogeneous) group. The multiple images of what are really very similar insects do not seem to me to help the reader; rather, given the very small screens many people are now using, it gives a weaker idea of what the insects may be like, the details almost invisibly small. (In fact, even on a large desktop screen, with the taxobox limiting the image size, things are not much better.) As this is the lead image, whose job it is to give an instant impression, I'd suggest that's not ideal. I respect the work done on the image and caption, but think we're much better off with a readable image. Do hope this is ok with you, this wasn't a random change.
Chiswick Chap (
talk)
10:38, 21 September 2015 (UTC)reply
First thought, seems a bit scant on photos of the subject. Perhaps some of the white space in the taxon list could be utilised for this? To show a few representative species? Could also be nice to have a front view of a specimen.
"Distribution of the 3 main genera of Gryllotalpidae" What does "main genera" mean? Might be better to just name them in the caption, now it seems a bit arbitrary.
"in 2015 identifies six tribes, of which four are new" New as in they were named in that study? Could be clarified, since "new" is a recentism that won't mean much in, say, ten years.
"Males attract mates by constructing specially-shaped tunnels in which they sing" Seems a bit odd to have a selflink to a previous section the reader would already have read.
Oh. I'd say it does no harm, and remember that people read articles in different ways, not least by clicking on the Table of Contents to jump to whatever they may be interested in. I generally try to avoid saying "See above" but we can do that if you prefer.
Chiswick Chap (
talk)
15:56, 27 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Because the song section comes before the burrowing section, it was unclear to me that males make burrows only for attracting mates until I got to the latter part. May want to mention it earlier or switch the sections around. Also because burrowing seems like more of a definitive feature than chirping for this group.
"In their native lands, mole crickets have natural enemies that keep them under control. This is not the case when they have been accidentally introduced to other parts of the world." But weren't there already native species of mole crickets in such places (as the text says their distribution is naturally worldwide except Antarctica)?
It seems apparent, from the fact that various biological controls have been used, that their introduction to new localities/countries can be problematic. Worldwide distribution means they are present on all continents rather than being present everywhere.
Cwmhiraeth (
talk)
17:55, 27 September 2015 (UTC)reply
"They always sing underground, in a specially constructed burrow " Perhaps specify this is the males, if that is the case.
I don't edit wiki, but for the human culture thing, mole crickets are mentioned in poem 16 of the ancient Chinese poetry collection, Nineteen Old Poems. "16. 凜凜歲云暮 – Bitterly Cold, the Year Ends" Someone might wish to incorporate that information.
These are very common in Thailand as well - very commonly eaten as food daily there. Map needs updating. Sorry I'm not tech-able and hope someone can update.
Nosirromjretep (
talk)
09:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
While you're correct, we're limited to copyright-free image files someone makes available in the Wikimedia Commons. The best global map for the family is
here. That image is copyrighted, however.
Dyanega (
talk)
15:10, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply