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There are a few users, who are repeatedly vandalising the page. Any steps that can be taken against this?
Ramit Mukherjee ( talk) 05:18, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
1.Changed Kit manufactures and shirt sponsors to a more commonly used model.I am Collecting data to make it complete. Please feel comfortable to edit it.
2.McDowell is not the sponser now. they changed their name and logo in the official facebook page.They said Website will be edited soon. So Logo should be replaced.
Vpgautham ( talk) 04:43, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
The club have also won the Asia's most prestigious
Asian Champions League more times than any other club in India.
Deleted for factual inaccuracy.
Rohit 09:47, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
1.changed added data in team info box. 2.Team kit colours have been set.
Rohit 11:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Honours section added. Currently details of National Football League and IFA Shield have been added. More coming soon.
enigma 10:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
The link of Goalkeeper Imran points to Pak legend Imran Khan.
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Hong Kong FC was set up in 1886 and so it should be oldest football club in Asia. Please see the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_FC . Kindly correct this. Shovon 09:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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Kajal Bhattacharjee ( talk) 10:55, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Mohun Bagan Athletic Club has never been declared as the National Club of India by any Prime Minister. Actually Prime Minister is not empowered to bestow such national honour to any person or organization. The President is empowered to give such national honour. It is a false propaganda by the Mohun Bagan followers that the club is the national club of India. List of national symbols is given in the constitution where anything like national club of India is not mentioned. Wikipedia should be more cautious about publishing such article containing wrong information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kajal Bhattacharjee ( talk • contribs) 10:55, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
The page is frequently been updated with incorrect records of Kolkata Derby and Also Mohun Bagan is being referred as National Club of India which is totally Incorrect following are the National Elements of India [1] there is no other national elements
and the correct derby statistics and the result of first derby between East Bengal and Mohun Bagan is stated clearly in the following sites including the Fifa website and i-league org website, the official football site of India
Dasgupta.rony ( talk) 11:05, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
The consensus is to exclude the claim that Mohun Bagan has the title "national club of India" because this is an WP:EXCEPTIONAL claim. There is no prejudice against discussing this again if more sources are found.
There is a dispute regarding whether Mohun Bagan was given the title of "National club of India". Requesting comments as this is a grey area, there are sources which claim they were given the title, [1] that is however unacceptable to some.
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There are some users who are continuously using abusive words to vandalise this page. A significant step should be taken against such users. Deoxys32 ( talk) 13:40, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nominator. Giant Snowman 17:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC) Giant Snowman 17:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Mohun Bagan A.C. →
ATK Mohun Bagan FC – I am reopening this discussion with a new section because I did not agree with the result of the last discussion, a no consensus, and because the last discussion was filled with obvious brigading and non-discourse. The
2020–21 Indian Super League season is coming up next month and I think this needs to be resolved soon before the season starts. The reason I believe this article should be renamed from Mohun Bagan A.C. to ATK Mohun Bagan FC is as follows:
Per WP:NCST, I don't believe there is any ambiguity or confusion over the official spelling of the club's name in English. The club's official twitter (which is verified) is named ATK Mohun Bagan FC. The club's official website will be atkmohunbaganfc.in. The Indian Super League, the league that the club plays in, has the team named as ATK Mohun Bagan FC. The All India Football Federation, the official governing body for football in India has the club registered and listed as ATK Mohun Bagan FC. Additionally, we have reliable sources who call the club ATK Mohun Bagan FC. See examples such as this, this, this, this, this, this, and this.
There is no confusion here. The club was officially rebranded as ATK Mohun Bagan FC on 10 July 2020. Ever since, reliable sources have reported using that name, official accounts have been using the name. There is no doubt here. I think this needs to end now. No, changing the name doesn't hurt the club's image or history. No, this wouldn't confuse editors who decide to read at least two lines. So I am putting this out there. There needs to be a consensus. ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 02:51, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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ArsenalFan700, nope its not. that's why I am emphasizing on this. see 2014 standings from official isl website. we have pune and delhi but not Atletico de Kolkata. It got changed to ATKMB. ❯❯❯ S A H A 16:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
The X vs. Y here seems to be X = how the outside world works and Y = how Wikipedia works. The outside world of football club experts appears to see ATK Mohun Bagan FC as a stand-alone entity deserving of its own article on Wikipedia. That is a valid point; however, it butts heads against Y, at least for now. Y, or how Wikipedia works, is about an athletic club, Mohun Bagan A.C., which is notable expressly because among all its other sports activities, its football section, now known as ATK Mohun Bagan FC, has lifted it high above non-notability. One editor likened that to a popular, notable book with one very notable chapter among several chapters – Wikipedia does not change the name of the book just because it has one very notable chapter. Wikipedia goes with what reliable, independent, secondary, English-language sources say. That is how Wikipedia works. Has this athletic club changed its name? or has it just changed the name of its football section? Was the above merger with the entire athletic club? or was the merger just a combining of ATK (football club) with only the football section of Mohun Bagan A.C.? A merging of the very important football section with an outside football club does not warrant a name change of this article. This is still an athletic club that engages in several sports, so if the athletic club known as Mohun Bagan A.C. has not changed its name to ATK Mohun Bagan FC, then the title of this article should remain as it is. If on the other hand this athletic club has changed its name, and reliable sources now use that name to refer to the athletic club, then there is good reason to change the title of this article. So an important question for the experts out there, Ramit.mukherjee.1994 and ArsenalFan700 among them, would be: when reliable sources write about ATK Mohun Bagan FC, do they refer to the entire athletic club known (or previously known) as Mohun Bagan A.C.? or do they still refer only to a very large and notable "section" of that athletic club? P.I. Ellsworth ed. put'r there 03:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Why was my edit reverted? What kind of a sentence is that: "The football operations of Mohun Bagan are known as ATK Mohun Bagan FC since 2020, after Indian Super League club ATK dissolved in football section of Mohun Bagan."? How can a club be "dissolved in" another club, either it is dissolved or it is merged. And in this instance (according to sources) I believe it has merged. Ludost Mlačani ( talk) 09:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
It's the emotions getting better of MB fans. The truth is ATK and Mohun Bagan got merged to form a entirely new club ATK Mohun Bagan. Just like happened with Paris FC & Germainn to form PSG. There should be a seperate page for ATK Mohun Bagan, The officials of the previous clubs has stated that ATK is an entirely new club and has been formed in 2020. ATK Mohun Bagan has replaced ATK's place. And thus you can see all the official ATK pages has now been named ATK Mohun Bagan, so I believe wr got 2 options... 1) Create a new page ATK Mohun Bagan 2) Move the ATK page to ATK Mohun Bagan (same as the official sm pages). Coderdaddy1369 ( talk) 12:08, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
The non-free use of File:ATK Mohun Bagan FC logo.svg is currently being discussed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 September 30#File:ATK Mohun Bagan FC logo.svg to assess whether it's in compliance with Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. While it might be reasonably argue that the file should be allowed to be used in this article and there are some doing just that at the aforementioned FFD discussion, there's pretty much no way to argue that it can be used more than once per WP:NFCC#3a. A non-free file requires a separate, specific non-free use rationale each time it's used when that means using one time each in different articles or using more than once in the same article. So, adding the file twice to this article without providing a non-free use rationale for that second use is a clear violation of WP:NFCC#10c.
While I don't necessarily agree with the file's use in the image gallery in Mohun Bagan A.C.#Crest, that appears to be the more stable of the two uses (at least until the FFD discussion has finished). The table listing the various names for the football activities has been repeatedly been removed and added by various editors, and each time it's removed the file is removed with it. A non-free file is required to be being used in at least one article per WP:NFCC#7 and those which aren't are eligible for speedy deletion per WP:F5. So, a decision needs to be made (at least for the time being) regarding where to use this logo until the FFD discussion about it's use anywhere in the article has finished. If there's a consensus not to use the table, then the use in the "Crest" section should remain for the time being; on the other hand, if the consensus is to use image in the table, then it should be removed from the "Crest" section.
Without the image that table shouldn't be in the lead, which is where it was recently re-added; so, I've temporarily moved to the body of the article. It can be moved again as needed once everything is sorted out. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 12:33, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move
Three different sorts of opinions seem to have spiralled out of this discussion,
1. ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a new club;
2. ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a continuation of Mohun Bagan A.C. football division;
3. ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a continuation of ATK.
Whatever be the opinion of the editors all of them disagree with the request to move. So, as the nominator, I withdraw my nomination. ( non-admin closure)
M Kariyappa ( talk) 14:25, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Mohun Bagan A.C. → ATK Mohun Bagan FC – I think that the Mohun Bagan A.C. wikipedia page is mostly based on the football division of the Indian club commonly called Mohun Bagan. Now, the fact that the name of the football division of Mohun Bagan has been changed to ATK Mohun Bagan FC is clear from this report in which an official letter from the Secretary of the IFA (WB) has been cited.
It contains an utmost important note about the official correspondence between the parties and the governing body of football in the state of West Bengal that,. This shows that we can safely say that ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a rebranded version of Mohun Bagan (Football Division). Not only this but also the Entry Manual for AFC Club Competitions (2021 edition) might be very helpful in deciding it. The Sporting criteria for a club to enter AFC Competitions include as the first point,Mohun Bagan A.C. wishes to change its IFA affiliation to ATK Mohun Bagan Pvt. Ltd. and Kolkata Games and Sports Pvt. Ltd. (ATK Club) desires to get disaffiliated from IFA
9.1. To meet the sporting criteria, a club must have earned one (1) of the following
(which shall be applied in descending order to determine the representative clubs of a Member Association):
9.1.1. winner of the domestic top division league;
9.1.2. winner of the domestic cup;
9.1.3. runner-up of the domestic top division league;
9.1.4. third place of the domestic top division league;
9.1.5. fourth place of the domestic top division league (only if there is no domestic cup applicable for Article 9.1.2).
So, if ATK Mohun Bagan was any new club it could not qualify for the AFC Cup 2021. However, ATK Mohun Bagan FC has been confirmed about a group stage direct entry at AFC Cup 2021, the slot that is meant for the I-League champions of India. Mohun Bagan under the ownership of Mohun Bagan Football Club (India) Pvt. Ltd. own the I-League 2019-2020. This proves that Mohun Bagan have earned their place by virtue of winning the I-League and have retained it because ATK Mohun Bagan FC is simply a rechristened form of Mohun Bagan. Both the points mentioned above had been there earlier also but the previous move requests could not succeed in gaining consensus. I am making this move request (little quickly than is usual after unsuccessful RM) on the basis of some later sources to back up the genuineness.
The statementfrom Nita Ambani, Founder & Chairperson, Football Sports Development Limited (FSDL), while welcoming East Bengal brand into the ISL included,(then, i.e., 27 September 2020, the name of East Bengal football division was undecided). This statement also showed the name change explicitly. The message of congratulations on the day of Mohun Bagan being presented with the I-League trophy (18 October 2020 IST) from the Chief Minister of West Bengal Mamata Banerjee readThe inclusion of both legacy clubs, i.e. East Bengal and Mohun Bagan (now ATK Mohun Bagan) opens limitless possibilities for Indian football
Heartiest congratulations to @Mohun_Bagan for becoming @ILeagueOfficial Champions.
Wonderful achievement for the Green & Maroon Brigade & best wishes as you step into upcoming @IndSuperLeague season as @atkmohunbaganfc.
(hashtag)Champions5
Note the words as you step into upcoming @IndSuperLeague season as @atkmohunbaganfc showing the continuity of Mohun Bagan in the form of ATK Mohun Bagan FC.
Another message for congratulations coming from Minister of State (Government of India) Kiren Rijiju readAnother seal on the very fact that ATK Mohun Bagan is undoubtedly another rechristened version of the football division of Mohun Bagan A.C.This is that famous festive football frenzy of Kolkata I like the most about!
Heartiest congratulations to —@Mohun_Bagan for becoming @ILeagueOfficial Champions.
My best wishes for the upcoming @IndSuperLeague season as @atkmohunbaganfc
I request for the obvious move to be done with no separate page leftover in the name of Mohun Bagan. The main couple of divisions of Mohun Bagan A.C. will then have separate pages devoted to both of them (Football division at ATK Mohun Bagan FC and Cricket division at Mohun Bagan A.C. (Cricket)). I request every user participating in the debate to help keep the discussion organised. Also East Bengal fans are requested to keep things civil. Ardent fans make Indian football beautiful but please do not restart efforts to show ATK Mohun Bagan as a separate so called 'new club' (which it is absolutely not) if this move request reaches consensus in its favour. Do not try to malign an established institution. Thanks. M Kariyappa ( talk) 15:58, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
After looking at official sources such as the letter cited here, I think we are fine to move forward with ATK Mohun Bagan FC being a continuation of Mohun Bagan. So with that said, I think we now need to move and rename this page ATK Mohun Bagan FC. This page is clearly and obviously for the football team, which has now been renamed ATK Mohun Bagan FC.So how can you think now that those same sources point towards different thing? Okay, now, keeping that aside, I have picked up the statement from Nita Ambani in which she said,
This is from 27th of September 2020 which is more recent from an official source. In the business agreement news cited by you, it is correctly stated that the joint venture is indeed a new company and a new entity. In fact, it was a business takeover, literally, as one side (RPSG Co.) had 227 crores INR as paid-up capital and MBFC(India) Pvt. Ltd. had only 1 lakh INR as paid-up capital at the new company. The thing is, if we go on making wikipedia pages on each occasions whenever a new company takes over a club and rebrands it as suitable for satisfying investors' purpose the situation will become ridiculous. In the RPSG website, you could see a scrolling information tab where success of their sporting entities have been described. The 3 times ISL win by ATK FC, IPL runners-up position by Rising Pune Supergiants and the 1911 IFA Shield win by Mohun Bagan. The first two are definitely the achievements of teams in which they invested but if ATK Mohun Bagan is a new club then there is no question of the 1911 IFA Shield win being mentioned there. Since, now they own the majority and controlling stakes at Mohun Bagan football division they are seeing themselves (rightly) the owners of Mohun Bagan football activity. So Mohun Bagan's past achievements have become worth mentioning. Coming to the 'retention' or 'extension' words being used by ATK Mohun Bagan FC authorities while signing contracts with players who have played at ATK FC last season. This is totally correct because ATK Mohun Bagan will play in the ISL using the successful bid submitted by Kolkata Games and Sports pvt. ltd. which owned ATK FC. The rights (of KGSPL) to field ISL Team has been transferred to ATK Mohun Bagan Pvt. Ltd. while footballing rights of Mohun Bagan Football Club (India) Pvt. Ltd. has been transferred to ATK Mohun Bagan Pvt. Ltd. (Basically, if the exit clause in their agreement is triggered, there will be no Mohun Bagan in the ISL with the same bid and RPSG will not be able to use Sailing boat in logo, green and maroon in jersey for their team) So, players who have had any agreement with the holding company of ATK FC will have to sign 'extension' because ATK Mohun Bagan falls into their auspices. M Kariyappa ( talk) 11:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)The inclusion of both legacy clubs, i.e. East Bengal and Mohun Bagan (now ATK Mohun Bagan) opens limitless possibilities for Indian football.
Again, it shows that ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a new avatar or a rechristened version of Mohun Bagan. M Kariyappa ( talk) 11:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)We are indeed delighted that the Board of ATK Mohun Bagan has agreed to keep the colour green and maroon and the 'Pal Tola Nauka' image as the house colour and the mnemonic of the new avatar of Mohun Bagan.
Things look like becoming serious here. I am trying to invite neutral users for wider participation. M Kariyappa ( talk) 06:48, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a difference between MBAC and the football entity which was MBFC earlier and now it's ATK Mohun Bagan FC. It's not a new football club. If that is the case words like legacy and history joining ISL won't matter. Additionally AFC doesn't allow new clubs to participate. AFC congratulatory message to AIFF welcoming 3 clubs to AFC competition was a clear indication.
Aside it has pointed out on many occasions the submission to IFA which is the governing body for football with affiliation to AIFF leading the chain up to FIFA. That letter is a clear evidence that ATK was disaffiliated and MBAC affiliation was changed. If it's a new club both the affiliation will be cancelled and a completely new affiliation would have come up. We should give the highest importance to what a legally governing body of the sport is mentioning over anything else. Ztruc ( talk) 06:46, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
So many accounts created just 3 months ago for the sole purpose of disruption, I'm already out unless any unbiased editor steps in. MindSlayer13 ( talk) 07:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Again, Why didn't Mohun Bagan need to submit any official bids to FSDL which is a necessity to participate in the League? Because Mohun Bagan had already merged with an existing team playing in the league, so the point that ATKMB is a continuation of MB is superficial, moreover it's the other way round. MindSlayer13 ( talk) 07:15, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Read this latest article thoroughly and then think to move anything or not ( http://news18.com/news/sports/indian-super-league-2020-21-to-kick-off-from-november-20-in-goa-2990645.html). chinakpradhan ( talk) 04:20, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Atleast I'm not unbiased brother, And using wiki way before, didn't just log into it to save the club's identity MindSlayer13 ( talk) 00:30, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment: I have read all the discussion over here and saw that their are many point raise by different editor and many questions are also asked but discussion content miss many of them. Here I'm trying to narrow down all these.
The club has been created today then how can we write founded 1889 in the logo, it is legally not correct.
ATK Mohun Bagan is a avatar of Mohun Bagan but the foundation year of ATKMB is not same as Mohun Bagan. 1889 is the foundation year of Mohun Bagan not of ATK Mohun Bagan. How can we legally write 1889 in the logo? Mohun Bagan was founded in 1889 but ATK Mohun Bagan was created in 2020.
We respect legacy and have retained the same jersey which generations down the line have embraced, adored and loved. - Dr. Sanjiv Goenka, Principal owner of ATK Mohun Bagan
no previous records of the merger teams will be attached to the newly merged team.( Source)
Disagree Reading all these facts and sources available on internet and discussed in my previous comment, I, agreed with @
ArsenalFan700,
MindSlayer13,
ArnabSaha, and
GiantSnowman:, also think ATK Mohun Bagan must have a seperate Article/Page as a new club founded on before said date opposing the nomination.
বাক্যবাগীশ (
talk) 07:12, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment: In my opinion, there should be 3 Wikipedia articles :-
One for ATK Football club - An ISL club which existed from 2014 to 2020. All the history and honours of ATK should be in that article.
One for Mohun Bagan AC - Former Indian club which existed from 1889 to 2020. All the history and honours of Mohun Bagan should be in that article. Mohun Bagan logo should be used.
One for ATK Mohun Bagan - The new ISL club formed in 2020, by merger of ATK and Mohun Bagan, forming a new club. New ATK Mohun Bagan logo should be used.
Anish Viswa 10:18, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I think the discussion going on in this section has shown evidently that irrespective of what the editors think ATK Mohun Bagan FC is there is a clear consensus against my nomination. I have noticed from the list of contributions of the editors who participated in this debate that an overwhelming majority of them can be associated with being either East Bengal fan or Mohun Bagan fan although the number of East Bengal fans in this discussion has been more compared to the Mohun Bagan fans, probably because the Mohun Bagan fans would support the rightful fact presented by me that ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a continuation of the football division of Mohun Bagan A.C. but they are perhaps opposed to the change of article title as well. Since they support the fact about Mohun Bagan's continuity but oppose the particular move request they have not taken part in this discussion in large number. The 3 types of opinions on ATK Mohun Bagan FC, it being a new club or a continuation of Mohun Bagan A.C. football division or a continuation of ATK, seem to converge on one point that all of them don't want the page to be renamed. There is no way that this convergence is going to change and if the continuity issue is taken up in a separate discussion, I believe, there will never be any consensus regarding that, since most of such discussions in earlier instances as well have taken place in a way that editors stay divided on the basis of the allegiance to the club (Mohun Bagan or East Bengal) they support (albeit I think any neutral editor would agree that ATK Mohun Bagan FC is the new name of Mohun Bagan A.C. football division). This doesn't look like having any possibility of getting resolved in near future. Possibly it would take the football season to draw towards the end and then only we can have a clear call. Whatsoever, the request to move has been rejected overwhelmingly by the community. I withdraw my nomination. M Kariyappa ( talk) 14:25, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
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This is mohun bagan athletic club. Football operation is having separate page where coach is habas.but he is not the coach of entire mohun bagan.hence no specific coach or squad name can be here as it is not the page for only football team.it is for all operation. Sonabhaumik87 ( talk) 21:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
If it is a football club page then the name and logo need to be updated in the latest one Sonabhaumik87 ( talk) 00:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
How you guys keeps on changing the fact . It is ATK Mohun bagan going to play in the ISL . where is the logo . forget the main article . the logo can't be found anywhere . All those players and coach you listed are playing for or contracted to ATK Mohun bagan, not Mohun bagan Athletic club.. If you want to remove the ATK Mohun Bagan logo .. then remove the players and coach too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:24D4:481:6C59:857C:A3A9:8663 ( talk) 14:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
I think IAmPushpak,first you need to go through the press release thoroughly and then explain us how the letter shows ATKMB as a continuation of Mohun Bagan's football department.Even in this press release they also used the word "new avatar" to avoid certain contoversy and it was only released through Mohun Bagan,ATKMB did not even mentioned any thing about the letter through their official social media handles.And if you want to get the crest back then first gather proper information about why it was deleted previously.A little knowledge is dangerous when you are trying to edit wikipedia.So please give us proper sources that are reliable to prove ATKMB a continuation of Mohun Bagan and then you can get your crest back again. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 03:07, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
I am allergic to stupidity but still i will do my best to polish the so called knowledge and experience you possessed.First you need to go through the history of football clubs merger
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_club_mergers
When two clubs merge,they form a new club and both of them got dissolved.there is no such superior body in a merged entity and according to you if we consider only parent entity makes such releases then what about these
https://www.facebook.com/1475188052710235/posts/2887404548155238/
https://www.facebook.com/238802646187669/posts/3570116193056281/
Can you explain these two?
The same statement was published by both of the clubs addressing fan's concerns.Let me explain,Debashis Dutta made the statement as a director of ATKMB board thats why it was published by both of the clubs through their social mecia handles. Srinjoy Bose made the statement as a general secretary of MBAC and addressed MB fans only as MBAC is nothing but a co-owner of the new club and ATKMB has nothing to do with Mohun Bagan AC thats why ATKMB did not even mentioned anything anywhere regarding the press release.Arrogance and stupidity in one package is not good at all.Please
IAmPushpak don't vomit your inability,this place is already atrocious.
BarcelonaFan995 (
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even after trying to make the away jersey , my efforts were in vain. so , please make the away jersey of atk mohun bagan eka mohun bagan(for this page) in place of me. if possible leave blank space for sbotop.net in the home jersey.please make these changes . If you think of loading your culture make the away kit separate with nameFootball Away Kit,and keep the original away kit as it is but please make it.( https://www.news18.com/news/sports/isl-2020-21-atk-mohun-bagan-unveil-green-and-maroon-home-kit-with-champions-tag-3073724.html). chinakpradhan ( talk) 04:20, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Can someone just redo the away kit because the shirt misses the two central Green & Maroon vertical stripes. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 14:53, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Please add the two maroon and green stripes in the away kit. The present one is not the appropriate one. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 22:49, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Whether or not, ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a continuation of Mohun Bagan or not, it passes wikipedia notability standards and deserves its own page. In my opinion, ATK Mohun Bagan is the continuation of ATK and not Mohun Bagan and thus we should change the title of the ATK page to ATK Mohun Bagan FC and change the tense of all footballing activities in the Mohun Bagan A.C. page to past tense. Please let me know what everybody else's opinion is. Ramit.mukherjee.1994 ( talk) 19:16, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Now isl clarifies that ATK Mohunbagan is the defending champions That means we need different page or rename ATK FC page Abhishe78 ( talk) 20:06, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
As we can see here https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkNiJcIX0AASZEu?format=jpg&name=large that the jersey and training kits of ATK Mohun Bagan FC have 3 stars, with Hero ISL champions 2019-20 embroided on it.This is a privilege only awarded to the defending champions and those 3 stars stand for the 3 ISL trophies won by ATK FC,so it is clear that ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a rebranded version of ATK FC. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 02:27, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Clearly with all the changes taking place, we can say Atk Mohun Bagan is the rebranding of Atk, so it will be the best to move the article ATK to ATK Mohun Bagan MindSlayer13 ( talk) 21:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Most of the sources we have are pointing out towards 2 possibilities, Either ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a continuation of ATK FC or it is a new entity.As most of the sources and the club itself claiming that it is a new club founded in 2020 https://m.facebook.com/pg/atkmohunbaganfc/about/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=0 I think it will be better to create a new article for ATK Mohun Bagan. ( BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 14:28, 28 October 2020 (UTC))
Hero ISL has declared the fixture of the upcoming season.Here is the press release by the official website of Hero Indian Super League.Here they defined ATK Mohun Bagan FC as the defending champion of ISL. https://www.indiansuperleague.com/press-releases/hero-isl-embarks-upon-a-unique-season-with-unprecedented-115-games BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 13:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Drat8sub So according to you the governing body of Hero ISL is not reliable.Don't know should i laugh at this or not but if you go through the press release thoroughly they used the term "new entrants" for SC East Bengal but did not use same kind of words for ATK Mohun Bagan FC and there is also a 'Mohun Bagan' in ATKMB and where the name of both Mohun Bagan and East Bengal exist the flavour of centuary old rivalry automatically comes there does not matter what the prefix or suffix present there. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 14:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Is AFC reliable, Drat8sub?
I think It is the right time to create a new article for ATK Mohun Bagan FC or rename the ATK FC's wiki page to ATK Mohun Bagan FC. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 16:10, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
So according to Drat8sub the governing body of association football in Asia continent,AFC is not reliable and they are spreading fake news on ATK Mohun Bagan.I think you are making a big allegation on AFC. Being one of the six confederations within FIFA they atleast verify what they are posting in their official website. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 18:48, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
When people go out of points to counter any valid arguments they start talking about other things.This is a very normal human behavior, so stop this personal attacks and if you have any kind of problem with me then come to my talk page i will be delighted to chat with such a dedicated fan like you. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 23:54, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Even the FSDL has also started modifying the statistics section in the official website to reflect statistics before the 2020-21 season to be attributed to ATK and decides to starts the stats of atk mohun bagan from 2020-21 season , so we must als make a new page for keeping the stats of atk mohun bagan now. ( https://www.telegraphindia.com/sports/indian-super-league-clean-slate-for-atk-mohun-bagan/cid/1796352). chinakpradhan ( talk) 01:30, 3 november 2020 (UTC)
This the statement of SBOTOP principle sponcer of ATK Mohunbagan "Mohun Bagan is ready to move away from its 131-year-old legacy as they have joined forces with the three-time Indian Super League Champions, ATK FC. The merged entity has been called ATK Mohun Bagan FC and the franchise recently unveiled their new logo, which retains the charm of Mohun Bagan as well as the legendary club colours." Its clear from. Above statement that atk mohunbagan is a new team and requires a new article. Abhishe78 ( talk) 12:38, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
The club itself said long ago in the press release that ATK and Mohun Bagan will make a new club to enter Hero ISL.In the about section of their official facebook page it is written 'new merged' club.Owner and director of ATKMB said in many interviews that they can not write 1889 in the logo as it is a new club founded in 2020.Big media houses like ESPEN,GOAL.Com,TOI etc had also claimed new merged club in so many articles related to ATKMB.AIFF also had 3 different pages for ATK,MB and ATKMB.One of the most followed and trusted football website transfermarkt had also created a new page for ATKMB with foundation date june1,2020.But still their are some editors in wikipedia who think they know much more about ATKMB compare to the club officials,AIFF,Media houses,FSDL/ISL and their only goal is to somehow save the image and legacy of a certain club by showing ATKMB as a continuation of MB.They will do their best to prevent other editors from creating a new article for ATK Mohun Bagan FC. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 13:37, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
If ATK Mohun Bagan was a continuation of ATK then they would be playing the qualifying play offs of AFC Cup, as it was awarded to ATK and not the group stage of AFC Cup which was awarded to Mohun Bagan. And if the merger was completely a new entity then they wouldn't be allowed to play any of the AFC tournaments in the inaugural season. The fan fights are clearly making this topic complicated. Previously United Spirits too had bought stakes of Mohun Bagan, but that didn't lead to the formation of a new entity, so why this time. ATK Mohun Bagan is continuing every attribute of Mohun Bagan- they have same logo with a new prefix(which is not new), same kit colours, same taglines, same fanbase and will also play the 'oldest derby in Asia' as well. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 08:08, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
The ISL, AIFF and also the ATK Mohun Bagan management are playing safe. And AFC just like UEFA, or any other international associations does not post news independently, they follow the grassroot associations. So whatever AIFF will tell AFC, they will consider that only. And AIFF itself doesn't want to declare the reality and want to keep the followers of both MB and ATK happy. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 08:13, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello Drat8sub, Is it possible to get back the images previously available for the crests section? Recently it was found that the images are no longer available and hence it was removed. IAmPushpak ( talk) 01:56, 01 November 2020 (UTC)
I added the crests but I didn't have sufficient data about copyrights, so they might get removed soon. I hope Drat8sub can arrange the crests and exchange them ASAP. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 14:31, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
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Hello Drat8sub, could you please look into this? Why are these nominated for deletion? Thanks in advance. IAmPushpak ( talk) 08:31, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Since this page represents the club as a whole, so it is highly recommended to add a section of OTHER SPORTS to avoid disputes of whether this page represents only the football activities or not. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 17:48, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi Debankan Mullick, we already have a section that redirects to other sports of Mohun Bagan. We will try to incorporate a brief secton of those areas too. IAmPushpak ( talk) 08:54, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
New users are coming and constantly changing the name and logo of the page. Someone provide a protection on this page. This page is referred to the whole multi-sport club not just the football operations. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 17:07, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
ArnabSaha is there anyway to get a protection on this page. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 14:33, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi Debankan Mullick, this article is already semi protected. IAmPushpak ( talk) 08:57, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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Given that the Indian Super League starts tomorrow, and most of the dust has settled on whether ATK Mohun Bagan is a continuation of ATK FC or not (I think it can be said with very high confidence that ATK Mohun Bagan is not a continuation of ATK FC), and there is no real source/evidence saying that ATK Mohun Bagan is a continuation of the football department of Mohun Bagan, I would like to propose that a new page be made for ATK Mohun Bagan FC. If there are any sources which clearly states ATK Mohun Bagan is the continuation of Mohun Bagan, except for the two letters/statements already mentioned here (and on which there is no consensus), it would be great if someone could present that here. If not, please comment if there are any other objections.
Ramit.mukherjee.1994 ( talk) 20:47, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
The owning company of ATK FC bought 80% stakes of Mohun Bagan FC to form ATK Mohun Bagan FC, so legally it is a continuation of Mohun Bagan FC. Similar thing had happen previously also when United Spirits bought stakes of MBFC to form McDowell Mohun Bagan FC. So I don't think there is any need of separate page. There is already a separate section for ATK MB in History, just like MMB has. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 17:05, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
20% stakes are still with MB FC so they have a little control as well. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 07:52, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
And MB FC is a part of MB AC Society Debankan Mullick ( talk) 07:54, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Since a seperate page aor ATK Mohun BAgan is already created, It would be better to clear the squad & technical staff from here, and Owner column should be only MBAC society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellowiki137 ( talk • contribs) 10:29, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Constant vandalism is occuring since the protection was removed. Please add a protection ASAP. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 16:51, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
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If ATK Mohun Bagan is a new club formed by the merger of the football division of Mohun Bagan and ATK, then why the current season link redirects to 2020-21 ATK Mohun Bagan page? The same is not found on the ATK FC page. Either it should be on both club's wikipedia page or it should be on no ones. Laser Victor 2017 ❯❯❯ talk 08:07, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Since more than 5 days has passed, and none has responded, I'm going forward on deleting the section. Laser Victor 2017 ❯❯❯ talk 11:47, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. per discussion consensus and title consistency. FYI to nominator, this should have been done as one single RM discussion, with all the titles listed. But it's easier to just go ahead and do the moves now. ( non-admin closure) — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 10:39, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Mohun Bagan A.C. → Mohun Bagan AC – Consistency with current naming conventions in Category:Football clubs in India , Category:Indian Super League teams and so on. Footwiks ( talk) 06:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Moreover, Mohun Bagan Official website is using Mohun Bagan AC Footwiks ( talk) 14:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Although a lot about this matter is already discussed before, but still, as a die-heart fan of this historic club, I am starting the discussion again in a new section. I think by creating a new article, it is indirectly meant that this is a new club and not continuation of the century-old club. I must say by meaning so, the dignity of Mohun Bagan club and even the patriotic spirit of the Indians is vilified, reminiscing the fact that the victory of Mohun Bagan against many British football teams during pre-independence era rejuvenated the lost spirit of patriotism in the hearts of crores of Indians. Just as our arch-rivals East Bengal has a single article, the similar thing should be done in case of this football club. Just as the colour and crest of Mohun Bagan is kept intact, the history of the club should be likewise kept unaltered. So, the page ATK Mohun Bagan FC should be dissolved into and not merged with this article. All Mohun Baganis are hereby requested to raise their voice regarding this burning issue. Thank you.-- Michri michri ( talk) 08:50, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
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I propose merging
ATK Mohun Bagan FC into
Mohun Bagan AC. Recent announcement by ATKMB principal owner Dr. Sanjiv Goenka about renaming ATKMB to MBSG has made it clear beyond doubt that ATKMB is not a merged entity, but the football division of MBAC only. ATK is just a brand name representing the investor group led by Dr. Goenka, which will soon be replaced by Super Giants. So, maintaining a separate page and record-book for ATKMB is unnecessary. Essentially, ATKMB (soon to be renamed to MBSG) is similar to McDowell's Mohun Bagan, which was the football division of Mohun Bagan from 1998 to 2015.
We should the page of ATKMB seperately because Wikipedia depends on reliable sources. World famous reliable sources still consider ATKMB as a new club 2020. Moreover in AIFF official website there are different profile for ATKMB and MB. So we should have to wait for merging or renaming till official branding of new name Mohun Bagan super giant. SAIKAT MARINERS DEY ( talk) 03:17, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
After the announcement, caution to editors!!! main Rule no. it's next season name is Mohun Bagan SG not this season for this season it's ATK Mohun Bagan FC. This season still has Super Cup and Indian AFC Cup qualifiers, where the team is still ATKMB, change only after completing Indian qualifiers on 29 April or 3 May 2022. You can do as your wish to rename, go back to MB page or merge this page, but do all those things after Indian AFC cup qualifiers 103.27.142.111 ( talk) 11:55, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi,
It has been observed that there is just no record of the matches Mohun Bagan played from 1889 to 1996. All the seasons starts from 1996. However for such a heritage club, atleast Wikipedia should have the details. So I would request the editors to include previous seasons also, from 1889 to 1996
IAmPushpak ( talk) 07:29, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
Merger of ATKMB page to MBAC page is not same as renaming of ATKMB to MBSG. ATKMB will be renamed to MBSG after this season, but the announcement has been made already, which in turn has proven that ATKMB is the football division of MBAC, and not any separate entity. So we should merge the two pages and start counting the records together right now. At least this is my view, but I am up for debate and did not edit anything unilaterally. It is unfortunate that the merger proposal discussion has been closed and I cannot login to my account either. @ SAIKAT MARINERS DEY @ 103.27.142.111 150.107.179.178 ( talk) 10:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
After Dr, Goenka's announcement had cleared all confusions about ATKMB (soon to be renamed to MBSG) being MB and MB only, I proposed to merge the ATKMB page to the MBAC page, but @ 103.27.142.111 closed that discussion abruptly without allowing enough people to engage. So, without altering the status or contents of the ATKMB page, I am gradually adding all history, records and statistics of the last 3 seasons to the MBAC page. In the meantime, we can discuss wheher a separate ATKMB page is necessary at all. @ SAIKAT MARINERS DEY @ ArsenalFan700 @ Ramit mukherjee Mohunbagani ( talk) 11:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
All editors started to add ATKMB records in this page. They are requested to wait till official branding of Mohun Bagan super giant. Admins are requested to protect this page. SAIKAT MARINERS DEY ( talk) 00:20, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
This discussion is based on the merger proposal submitted in Mohun Bagan SG proposing to merge Mohun Bagan SG into Mohun Bagan AC Support Based on the edits made to the social media handles of Mohun Bagan Super Giant, this entity is clearly a continuation of Mohun Bagan ( https://www.facebook.com/atkmohunbaganfc/about_details) and there is no reason to maintain a separate page for Mohun Bagan SG. Instead Mohun Bagan SG after the merge should redirect to Mohun Bagan AC
Ramit.mukherjee.1994 ( talk) 23:59, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
Merge :Exactly. There is no need for a separate page any more. Requesting admin to kindly merge. Mohunbagani ( talk) 07:40, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Merge: per proposal. First, their disassociation with the prefix ATK and indeed the official page bio update mentions, Estd. on 15th August 1889, Mohun Bagan is one of the oldest clubs in India and the World and is the current defending champion of Indian Super League.
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Proposition to change the article name as Mohun Bagan Super Giant instead of Mohun Bagan Athletic Club, since the article is about the football department and its history. We can add Mohun Bagan Athletic Club in the article where the topic involves details before 2020 or when it's about the parent club. Otherwise it doesn't look appropriate to the subject the article is about. Debankan talk 09:03, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuMk-VePdUk/ soon it will be released and uploaded, while mb logo can go under history section — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.120.248 ( talk) 00:43, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Debankan Mullick you have brought allegation about some bias while deleting and modifying a large part of the article. But I found that most of it is re-writing, and there are some inaccuracies too. For example, RPSG Mohun Bagan Pvt Ltd is a joint venture. KGSPL does not "own" the football division of Mohun Bagan per se. It is a conditional shareholding. That is why I wrote "sponsorship", which can be rewritten as "branding" but not "ownership". Secondly, the infobox now suggests that MBFC(I)PL owns MBAC while RPSGMBPL owns MBSG. It is inaccurate because actually MBAC owns MBFC(I)PL. This is why it would be better to mention the President (of MBAC) and Chairman (of MBSG) here and leave the detailed discussion for the "Ownership" section. Thirdly, as I have already mentioned, it is a joint venture, not an ownership deal like you have written in the "History" section. In light of this, please make these changes or give some counter-argument. Also tell me what all biases you found. @ Ramit.mukherjee.1994@Ramit.mukherjee.1994, @ IAmPushpak@IAmPushpak, @ SAIKAT MARINERS DEY Mohunbagani ( talk) 17:10, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
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Mohun Bagan AC → Mohun Bagan Super Giant – This page is primarily responsible for the footballing activities of the multi-sport club Mohun Bagan AC, and the football team is officially registered as Mohun Bagan Super Giant. Many would contest this opinion by saying that this page covers all the aspects of Mohun Bagan AC and not just football team. But in that case, it makes no sense to make separate pages of Mohun Bagan AC (cricket), Mohun Bagan AC (field hockey) and Mohun Bagan SG (youth) instead of adding them all in this page itself. Furthermore, Wikipedia has no such template for 'multi-sports club', but templates for individual sporting activities of a multi-sports club. For example, FC Barcelona and Real Madrid CF are multi-sports clubs, but their football team page doesn't consider itself as a multi-sports club article. Changing the article name won't affect the historical data from pre-2023 era. Debankan talk 17:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
And remember soon as atk gone, page was merged. If such things happen after every new sponsor, whats whole point?!?!?!....... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.120.79 ( talk) 18:13, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
can someone please upload high resolution SVG image for Mohun Bagan Super Giant logo 103.249.7.100 ( talk) 20:07, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
why is there not a separate Wikipedia page for the football club? i feel like this page is not enough to cover the football part as it talks about all the sports departments that is in the club itself. sp to avoid disputes and easy changes pls create a separate wikipage for the football department Credmaster 20 ( talk) 08:31, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
ISL playoffs is part of ISL, but ISL playoffs is displayed as a different knockout cup section in season overview table. Admins are requested to correct this error SAIKAT MARINERS DEY ( talk) 16:04, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
The present table seems absolutely fine, with required info, well summarised. Bengaluru FC table must be segregated to show premiership and championship info separately. You cannot show a championship information with in a league when the club is ending as third place in regular season, since ISL have separate league winner and champions. I have done little tweak to include the championship and premiership info for consistency. But if there is a problem with the table, then it the colour of the heading. Not per guidelines, not per colour blindness combination, use the colour similar to Coaching staff section. The text in white and the column in alternate green and maroon. Thank you. Drat8sub ( talk) 15:48, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Stadium page under attack (capacity) 93.143.252.66 ( talk) 13:24, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Until when will be empty only if users cant upload new version..... 93.140.103.186 ( talk) 23:47, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mohun_Bagan_Super_Giant.svg#mw-jump-to-license
Can someone fix this issue 93.140.103.186 ( talk) 12:28, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
I don't know why there is a view problem in club ranking section. If club ranking section is clicked then only Performance in AFC competitions, notable players, Mohun Bagan day and so on section are displayed. But these should be displayed differently like other section. SAIKAT MARINERS DEY ( talk) 05:45, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
{{col-begin|width=95%}}
template. I would suggest avoiding this template and use {{Col-begin}}
{{Col-2}}
and likewise.
Debankan
talk 08:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)In summary it's written that that till now the club has won the top league 6 times that includes ISL title. So again why repeatedly it's written that the club has also won several other trophies including ISL playoffs. So @ Mohunbagani ! Why are you writing a same trophy twice? @ Drat8sub please come here, Only you can stop him. SAIKAT MARINERS DEY ( talk) 13:06, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
I propose that the section about Mohun Bagan AC be split into a separate page called Mohun Bagan SG. A general sports club history could be added to this article, and links to the new football page would be added there. This section is large and well-sourced enough to make its own page.
Pinging @ Joseph2302 and KadenIN: on the basis of our earlier discussion here. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ 🗿 07:49, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
1. Mohun Bagan SG
2. East Bengal FC
But only if these can be done, otherwise these splits have no meaning. Here are my suggestions so that the no confusion occurs while splitting. The mother clubs, Mohun Bagan AC & East Bengal Club articles to be summarized with good lead, the present lede is 90 percent about football. So, the lede must be about all sports and sub-section must be of different sports in summarised way, including only specific and important facts.
For Mohun Bagan AC & East Bengal Club
1. Lede ,
2. History (creation, formation, development, sponsorship deals etc and etc) 2.1. Ownership & Management ,
3. Departments includes(whichever available with source & only summarised) 3.1. Football 3.1.1. Youth Football 3.2. Hockey 3.3. Cricket 3.3.1. Women's cricket, 3.4. Tennis , 3.5. Esports etc.
4. Club image includes 4.1. Crest and colour 4.2. Stadium(all sports) 4.3. Supporter 4.4. Rivalry in different sports (if available) ,
5. Honours 5.1. Records (only specific honours and records in all sports)
6. Mohun Bagan Day 6.1. Campaign 6.2. Mohun Bagan Ratna (only for MohunBagan article for East Bengal will different)
7. Legacy and popular culture (includes arts, culture, filmgraphy, social impact, impact in sports etc.)
For Mohun Bagan SG
1. Lede ,
2. History 2.1 Formation and early years 2.2. 1910s-1930s 2.3. 1940s-1970s 2.4. 1980s-1990s 2.5. 1990s-2000s 2.6. 2000S-2010s 2.7. 2010s-2020s 2.8. 2020-present (including sub sections like 1911 IFA shield, 1947 IFA shield, 1960 gold period, 1970 decline & revival under PKBanerjee etc)
3. Crest, colour and kits 3.1. Kit manufacturers and sponsors
4. Stadiums
5. Supporters
6. Rivalry
7. Ownerships and sponsorship naming
8. Current management 9. Coaching staff 10. Players 10.1. Notable players with stats 11. Season overview 12. Performance in AFC competitions 13. Honours14. Legacy and popular culture (includes arts, culture, filmgraphy, social impact, impact in sports etc.)
Similarly, goes with East Bengal FC. If the splits are done with articles not structured properly then the same confusion will prevail between the two articles and discussion will be endless, which is going on for last 2 years. Hope this helps.
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talk) 17:35, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
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There are a few users, who are repeatedly vandalising the page. Any steps that can be taken against this?
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1.Changed Kit manufactures and shirt sponsors to a more commonly used model.I am Collecting data to make it complete. Please feel comfortable to edit it.
2.McDowell is not the sponser now. they changed their name and logo in the official facebook page.They said Website will be edited soon. So Logo should be replaced.
Vpgautham ( talk) 04:43, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
The club have also won the Asia's most prestigious
Asian Champions League more times than any other club in India.
Deleted for factual inaccuracy.
Rohit 09:47, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
1.changed added data in team info box. 2.Team kit colours have been set.
Rohit 11:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Honours section added. Currently details of National Football League and IFA Shield have been added. More coming soon.
enigma 10:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
The link of Goalkeeper Imran points to Pak legend Imran Khan.
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Hong Kong FC was set up in 1886 and so it should be oldest football club in Asia. Please see the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_FC . Kindly correct this. Shovon 09:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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Kajal Bhattacharjee ( talk) 10:55, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Mohun Bagan Athletic Club has never been declared as the National Club of India by any Prime Minister. Actually Prime Minister is not empowered to bestow such national honour to any person or organization. The President is empowered to give such national honour. It is a false propaganda by the Mohun Bagan followers that the club is the national club of India. List of national symbols is given in the constitution where anything like national club of India is not mentioned. Wikipedia should be more cautious about publishing such article containing wrong information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kajal Bhattacharjee ( talk • contribs) 10:55, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
The page is frequently been updated with incorrect records of Kolkata Derby and Also Mohun Bagan is being referred as National Club of India which is totally Incorrect following are the National Elements of India [1] there is no other national elements
and the correct derby statistics and the result of first derby between East Bengal and Mohun Bagan is stated clearly in the following sites including the Fifa website and i-league org website, the official football site of India
Dasgupta.rony ( talk) 11:05, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
The consensus is to exclude the claim that Mohun Bagan has the title "national club of India" because this is an WP:EXCEPTIONAL claim. There is no prejudice against discussing this again if more sources are found.
There is a dispute regarding whether Mohun Bagan was given the title of "National club of India". Requesting comments as this is a grey area, there are sources which claim they were given the title, [1] that is however unacceptable to some.
Ramit.mukherjee.1994 ( talk) 04:45, 3 June 2017 (UTC) Ramit Mukherjee 3:45, June 3 2017 (UTC)
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There are some users who are continuously using abusive words to vandalise this page. A significant step should be taken against such users. Deoxys32 ( talk) 13:40, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nominator. Giant Snowman 17:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC) Giant Snowman 17:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Mohun Bagan A.C. →
ATK Mohun Bagan FC – I am reopening this discussion with a new section because I did not agree with the result of the last discussion, a no consensus, and because the last discussion was filled with obvious brigading and non-discourse. The
2020–21 Indian Super League season is coming up next month and I think this needs to be resolved soon before the season starts. The reason I believe this article should be renamed from Mohun Bagan A.C. to ATK Mohun Bagan FC is as follows:
Per WP:NCST, I don't believe there is any ambiguity or confusion over the official spelling of the club's name in English. The club's official twitter (which is verified) is named ATK Mohun Bagan FC. The club's official website will be atkmohunbaganfc.in. The Indian Super League, the league that the club plays in, has the team named as ATK Mohun Bagan FC. The All India Football Federation, the official governing body for football in India has the club registered and listed as ATK Mohun Bagan FC. Additionally, we have reliable sources who call the club ATK Mohun Bagan FC. See examples such as this, this, this, this, this, this, and this.
There is no confusion here. The club was officially rebranded as ATK Mohun Bagan FC on 10 July 2020. Ever since, reliable sources have reported using that name, official accounts have been using the name. There is no doubt here. I think this needs to end now. No, changing the name doesn't hurt the club's image or history. No, this wouldn't confuse editors who decide to read at least two lines. So I am putting this out there. There needs to be a consensus. ArsenalFan700 ( talk) 02:51, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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ArsenalFan700, nope its not. that's why I am emphasizing on this. see 2014 standings from official isl website. we have pune and delhi but not Atletico de Kolkata. It got changed to ATKMB. ❯❯❯ S A H A 16:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
The X vs. Y here seems to be X = how the outside world works and Y = how Wikipedia works. The outside world of football club experts appears to see ATK Mohun Bagan FC as a stand-alone entity deserving of its own article on Wikipedia. That is a valid point; however, it butts heads against Y, at least for now. Y, or how Wikipedia works, is about an athletic club, Mohun Bagan A.C., which is notable expressly because among all its other sports activities, its football section, now known as ATK Mohun Bagan FC, has lifted it high above non-notability. One editor likened that to a popular, notable book with one very notable chapter among several chapters – Wikipedia does not change the name of the book just because it has one very notable chapter. Wikipedia goes with what reliable, independent, secondary, English-language sources say. That is how Wikipedia works. Has this athletic club changed its name? or has it just changed the name of its football section? Was the above merger with the entire athletic club? or was the merger just a combining of ATK (football club) with only the football section of Mohun Bagan A.C.? A merging of the very important football section with an outside football club does not warrant a name change of this article. This is still an athletic club that engages in several sports, so if the athletic club known as Mohun Bagan A.C. has not changed its name to ATK Mohun Bagan FC, then the title of this article should remain as it is. If on the other hand this athletic club has changed its name, and reliable sources now use that name to refer to the athletic club, then there is good reason to change the title of this article. So an important question for the experts out there, Ramit.mukherjee.1994 and ArsenalFan700 among them, would be: when reliable sources write about ATK Mohun Bagan FC, do they refer to the entire athletic club known (or previously known) as Mohun Bagan A.C.? or do they still refer only to a very large and notable "section" of that athletic club? P.I. Ellsworth ed. put'r there 03:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Why was my edit reverted? What kind of a sentence is that: "The football operations of Mohun Bagan are known as ATK Mohun Bagan FC since 2020, after Indian Super League club ATK dissolved in football section of Mohun Bagan."? How can a club be "dissolved in" another club, either it is dissolved or it is merged. And in this instance (according to sources) I believe it has merged. Ludost Mlačani ( talk) 09:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
It's the emotions getting better of MB fans. The truth is ATK and Mohun Bagan got merged to form a entirely new club ATK Mohun Bagan. Just like happened with Paris FC & Germainn to form PSG. There should be a seperate page for ATK Mohun Bagan, The officials of the previous clubs has stated that ATK is an entirely new club and has been formed in 2020. ATK Mohun Bagan has replaced ATK's place. And thus you can see all the official ATK pages has now been named ATK Mohun Bagan, so I believe wr got 2 options... 1) Create a new page ATK Mohun Bagan 2) Move the ATK page to ATK Mohun Bagan (same as the official sm pages). Coderdaddy1369 ( talk) 12:08, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
The non-free use of File:ATK Mohun Bagan FC logo.svg is currently being discussed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 September 30#File:ATK Mohun Bagan FC logo.svg to assess whether it's in compliance with Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. While it might be reasonably argue that the file should be allowed to be used in this article and there are some doing just that at the aforementioned FFD discussion, there's pretty much no way to argue that it can be used more than once per WP:NFCC#3a. A non-free file requires a separate, specific non-free use rationale each time it's used when that means using one time each in different articles or using more than once in the same article. So, adding the file twice to this article without providing a non-free use rationale for that second use is a clear violation of WP:NFCC#10c.
While I don't necessarily agree with the file's use in the image gallery in Mohun Bagan A.C.#Crest, that appears to be the more stable of the two uses (at least until the FFD discussion has finished). The table listing the various names for the football activities has been repeatedly been removed and added by various editors, and each time it's removed the file is removed with it. A non-free file is required to be being used in at least one article per WP:NFCC#7 and those which aren't are eligible for speedy deletion per WP:F5. So, a decision needs to be made (at least for the time being) regarding where to use this logo until the FFD discussion about it's use anywhere in the article has finished. If there's a consensus not to use the table, then the use in the "Crest" section should remain for the time being; on the other hand, if the consensus is to use image in the table, then it should be removed from the "Crest" section.
Without the image that table shouldn't be in the lead, which is where it was recently re-added; so, I've temporarily moved to the body of the article. It can be moved again as needed once everything is sorted out. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 12:33, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move
Three different sorts of opinions seem to have spiralled out of this discussion,
1. ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a new club;
2. ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a continuation of Mohun Bagan A.C. football division;
3. ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a continuation of ATK.
Whatever be the opinion of the editors all of them disagree with the request to move. So, as the nominator, I withdraw my nomination. ( non-admin closure)
M Kariyappa ( talk) 14:25, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Mohun Bagan A.C. → ATK Mohun Bagan FC – I think that the Mohun Bagan A.C. wikipedia page is mostly based on the football division of the Indian club commonly called Mohun Bagan. Now, the fact that the name of the football division of Mohun Bagan has been changed to ATK Mohun Bagan FC is clear from this report in which an official letter from the Secretary of the IFA (WB) has been cited.
It contains an utmost important note about the official correspondence between the parties and the governing body of football in the state of West Bengal that,. This shows that we can safely say that ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a rebranded version of Mohun Bagan (Football Division). Not only this but also the Entry Manual for AFC Club Competitions (2021 edition) might be very helpful in deciding it. The Sporting criteria for a club to enter AFC Competitions include as the first point,Mohun Bagan A.C. wishes to change its IFA affiliation to ATK Mohun Bagan Pvt. Ltd. and Kolkata Games and Sports Pvt. Ltd. (ATK Club) desires to get disaffiliated from IFA
9.1. To meet the sporting criteria, a club must have earned one (1) of the following
(which shall be applied in descending order to determine the representative clubs of a Member Association):
9.1.1. winner of the domestic top division league;
9.1.2. winner of the domestic cup;
9.1.3. runner-up of the domestic top division league;
9.1.4. third place of the domestic top division league;
9.1.5. fourth place of the domestic top division league (only if there is no domestic cup applicable for Article 9.1.2).
So, if ATK Mohun Bagan was any new club it could not qualify for the AFC Cup 2021. However, ATK Mohun Bagan FC has been confirmed about a group stage direct entry at AFC Cup 2021, the slot that is meant for the I-League champions of India. Mohun Bagan under the ownership of Mohun Bagan Football Club (India) Pvt. Ltd. own the I-League 2019-2020. This proves that Mohun Bagan have earned their place by virtue of winning the I-League and have retained it because ATK Mohun Bagan FC is simply a rechristened form of Mohun Bagan. Both the points mentioned above had been there earlier also but the previous move requests could not succeed in gaining consensus. I am making this move request (little quickly than is usual after unsuccessful RM) on the basis of some later sources to back up the genuineness.
The statementfrom Nita Ambani, Founder & Chairperson, Football Sports Development Limited (FSDL), while welcoming East Bengal brand into the ISL included,(then, i.e., 27 September 2020, the name of East Bengal football division was undecided). This statement also showed the name change explicitly. The message of congratulations on the day of Mohun Bagan being presented with the I-League trophy (18 October 2020 IST) from the Chief Minister of West Bengal Mamata Banerjee readThe inclusion of both legacy clubs, i.e. East Bengal and Mohun Bagan (now ATK Mohun Bagan) opens limitless possibilities for Indian football
Heartiest congratulations to @Mohun_Bagan for becoming @ILeagueOfficial Champions.
Wonderful achievement for the Green & Maroon Brigade & best wishes as you step into upcoming @IndSuperLeague season as @atkmohunbaganfc.
(hashtag)Champions5
Note the words as you step into upcoming @IndSuperLeague season as @atkmohunbaganfc showing the continuity of Mohun Bagan in the form of ATK Mohun Bagan FC.
Another message for congratulations coming from Minister of State (Government of India) Kiren Rijiju readAnother seal on the very fact that ATK Mohun Bagan is undoubtedly another rechristened version of the football division of Mohun Bagan A.C.This is that famous festive football frenzy of Kolkata I like the most about!
Heartiest congratulations to —@Mohun_Bagan for becoming @ILeagueOfficial Champions.
My best wishes for the upcoming @IndSuperLeague season as @atkmohunbaganfc
I request for the obvious move to be done with no separate page leftover in the name of Mohun Bagan. The main couple of divisions of Mohun Bagan A.C. will then have separate pages devoted to both of them (Football division at ATK Mohun Bagan FC and Cricket division at Mohun Bagan A.C. (Cricket)). I request every user participating in the debate to help keep the discussion organised. Also East Bengal fans are requested to keep things civil. Ardent fans make Indian football beautiful but please do not restart efforts to show ATK Mohun Bagan as a separate so called 'new club' (which it is absolutely not) if this move request reaches consensus in its favour. Do not try to malign an established institution. Thanks. M Kariyappa ( talk) 15:58, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
After looking at official sources such as the letter cited here, I think we are fine to move forward with ATK Mohun Bagan FC being a continuation of Mohun Bagan. So with that said, I think we now need to move and rename this page ATK Mohun Bagan FC. This page is clearly and obviously for the football team, which has now been renamed ATK Mohun Bagan FC.So how can you think now that those same sources point towards different thing? Okay, now, keeping that aside, I have picked up the statement from Nita Ambani in which she said,
This is from 27th of September 2020 which is more recent from an official source. In the business agreement news cited by you, it is correctly stated that the joint venture is indeed a new company and a new entity. In fact, it was a business takeover, literally, as one side (RPSG Co.) had 227 crores INR as paid-up capital and MBFC(India) Pvt. Ltd. had only 1 lakh INR as paid-up capital at the new company. The thing is, if we go on making wikipedia pages on each occasions whenever a new company takes over a club and rebrands it as suitable for satisfying investors' purpose the situation will become ridiculous. In the RPSG website, you could see a scrolling information tab where success of their sporting entities have been described. The 3 times ISL win by ATK FC, IPL runners-up position by Rising Pune Supergiants and the 1911 IFA Shield win by Mohun Bagan. The first two are definitely the achievements of teams in which they invested but if ATK Mohun Bagan is a new club then there is no question of the 1911 IFA Shield win being mentioned there. Since, now they own the majority and controlling stakes at Mohun Bagan football division they are seeing themselves (rightly) the owners of Mohun Bagan football activity. So Mohun Bagan's past achievements have become worth mentioning. Coming to the 'retention' or 'extension' words being used by ATK Mohun Bagan FC authorities while signing contracts with players who have played at ATK FC last season. This is totally correct because ATK Mohun Bagan will play in the ISL using the successful bid submitted by Kolkata Games and Sports pvt. ltd. which owned ATK FC. The rights (of KGSPL) to field ISL Team has been transferred to ATK Mohun Bagan Pvt. Ltd. while footballing rights of Mohun Bagan Football Club (India) Pvt. Ltd. has been transferred to ATK Mohun Bagan Pvt. Ltd. (Basically, if the exit clause in their agreement is triggered, there will be no Mohun Bagan in the ISL with the same bid and RPSG will not be able to use Sailing boat in logo, green and maroon in jersey for their team) So, players who have had any agreement with the holding company of ATK FC will have to sign 'extension' because ATK Mohun Bagan falls into their auspices. M Kariyappa ( talk) 11:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)The inclusion of both legacy clubs, i.e. East Bengal and Mohun Bagan (now ATK Mohun Bagan) opens limitless possibilities for Indian football.
Again, it shows that ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a new avatar or a rechristened version of Mohun Bagan. M Kariyappa ( talk) 11:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)We are indeed delighted that the Board of ATK Mohun Bagan has agreed to keep the colour green and maroon and the 'Pal Tola Nauka' image as the house colour and the mnemonic of the new avatar of Mohun Bagan.
Things look like becoming serious here. I am trying to invite neutral users for wider participation. M Kariyappa ( talk) 06:48, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a difference between MBAC and the football entity which was MBFC earlier and now it's ATK Mohun Bagan FC. It's not a new football club. If that is the case words like legacy and history joining ISL won't matter. Additionally AFC doesn't allow new clubs to participate. AFC congratulatory message to AIFF welcoming 3 clubs to AFC competition was a clear indication.
Aside it has pointed out on many occasions the submission to IFA which is the governing body for football with affiliation to AIFF leading the chain up to FIFA. That letter is a clear evidence that ATK was disaffiliated and MBAC affiliation was changed. If it's a new club both the affiliation will be cancelled and a completely new affiliation would have come up. We should give the highest importance to what a legally governing body of the sport is mentioning over anything else. Ztruc ( talk) 06:46, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
So many accounts created just 3 months ago for the sole purpose of disruption, I'm already out unless any unbiased editor steps in. MindSlayer13 ( talk) 07:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Again, Why didn't Mohun Bagan need to submit any official bids to FSDL which is a necessity to participate in the League? Because Mohun Bagan had already merged with an existing team playing in the league, so the point that ATKMB is a continuation of MB is superficial, moreover it's the other way round. MindSlayer13 ( talk) 07:15, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Read this latest article thoroughly and then think to move anything or not ( http://news18.com/news/sports/indian-super-league-2020-21-to-kick-off-from-november-20-in-goa-2990645.html). chinakpradhan ( talk) 04:20, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Atleast I'm not unbiased brother, And using wiki way before, didn't just log into it to save the club's identity MindSlayer13 ( talk) 00:30, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment: I have read all the discussion over here and saw that their are many point raise by different editor and many questions are also asked but discussion content miss many of them. Here I'm trying to narrow down all these.
The club has been created today then how can we write founded 1889 in the logo, it is legally not correct.
ATK Mohun Bagan is a avatar of Mohun Bagan but the foundation year of ATKMB is not same as Mohun Bagan. 1889 is the foundation year of Mohun Bagan not of ATK Mohun Bagan. How can we legally write 1889 in the logo? Mohun Bagan was founded in 1889 but ATK Mohun Bagan was created in 2020.
We respect legacy and have retained the same jersey which generations down the line have embraced, adored and loved. - Dr. Sanjiv Goenka, Principal owner of ATK Mohun Bagan
no previous records of the merger teams will be attached to the newly merged team.( Source)
Disagree Reading all these facts and sources available on internet and discussed in my previous comment, I, agreed with @
ArsenalFan700,
MindSlayer13,
ArnabSaha, and
GiantSnowman:, also think ATK Mohun Bagan must have a seperate Article/Page as a new club founded on before said date opposing the nomination.
বাক্যবাগীশ (
talk) 07:12, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment: In my opinion, there should be 3 Wikipedia articles :-
One for ATK Football club - An ISL club which existed from 2014 to 2020. All the history and honours of ATK should be in that article.
One for Mohun Bagan AC - Former Indian club which existed from 1889 to 2020. All the history and honours of Mohun Bagan should be in that article. Mohun Bagan logo should be used.
One for ATK Mohun Bagan - The new ISL club formed in 2020, by merger of ATK and Mohun Bagan, forming a new club. New ATK Mohun Bagan logo should be used.
Anish Viswa 10:18, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I think the discussion going on in this section has shown evidently that irrespective of what the editors think ATK Mohun Bagan FC is there is a clear consensus against my nomination. I have noticed from the list of contributions of the editors who participated in this debate that an overwhelming majority of them can be associated with being either East Bengal fan or Mohun Bagan fan although the number of East Bengal fans in this discussion has been more compared to the Mohun Bagan fans, probably because the Mohun Bagan fans would support the rightful fact presented by me that ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a continuation of the football division of Mohun Bagan A.C. but they are perhaps opposed to the change of article title as well. Since they support the fact about Mohun Bagan's continuity but oppose the particular move request they have not taken part in this discussion in large number. The 3 types of opinions on ATK Mohun Bagan FC, it being a new club or a continuation of Mohun Bagan A.C. football division or a continuation of ATK, seem to converge on one point that all of them don't want the page to be renamed. There is no way that this convergence is going to change and if the continuity issue is taken up in a separate discussion, I believe, there will never be any consensus regarding that, since most of such discussions in earlier instances as well have taken place in a way that editors stay divided on the basis of the allegiance to the club (Mohun Bagan or East Bengal) they support (albeit I think any neutral editor would agree that ATK Mohun Bagan FC is the new name of Mohun Bagan A.C. football division). This doesn't look like having any possibility of getting resolved in near future. Possibly it would take the football season to draw towards the end and then only we can have a clear call. Whatsoever, the request to move has been rejected overwhelmingly by the community. I withdraw my nomination. M Kariyappa ( talk) 14:25, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
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This is mohun bagan athletic club. Football operation is having separate page where coach is habas.but he is not the coach of entire mohun bagan.hence no specific coach or squad name can be here as it is not the page for only football team.it is for all operation. Sonabhaumik87 ( talk) 21:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
If it is a football club page then the name and logo need to be updated in the latest one Sonabhaumik87 ( talk) 00:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
How you guys keeps on changing the fact . It is ATK Mohun bagan going to play in the ISL . where is the logo . forget the main article . the logo can't be found anywhere . All those players and coach you listed are playing for or contracted to ATK Mohun bagan, not Mohun bagan Athletic club.. If you want to remove the ATK Mohun Bagan logo .. then remove the players and coach too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:24D4:481:6C59:857C:A3A9:8663 ( talk) 14:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
I think IAmPushpak,first you need to go through the press release thoroughly and then explain us how the letter shows ATKMB as a continuation of Mohun Bagan's football department.Even in this press release they also used the word "new avatar" to avoid certain contoversy and it was only released through Mohun Bagan,ATKMB did not even mentioned any thing about the letter through their official social media handles.And if you want to get the crest back then first gather proper information about why it was deleted previously.A little knowledge is dangerous when you are trying to edit wikipedia.So please give us proper sources that are reliable to prove ATKMB a continuation of Mohun Bagan and then you can get your crest back again. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 03:07, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
I am allergic to stupidity but still i will do my best to polish the so called knowledge and experience you possessed.First you need to go through the history of football clubs merger
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_club_mergers
When two clubs merge,they form a new club and both of them got dissolved.there is no such superior body in a merged entity and according to you if we consider only parent entity makes such releases then what about these
https://www.facebook.com/1475188052710235/posts/2887404548155238/
https://www.facebook.com/238802646187669/posts/3570116193056281/
Can you explain these two?
The same statement was published by both of the clubs addressing fan's concerns.Let me explain,Debashis Dutta made the statement as a director of ATKMB board thats why it was published by both of the clubs through their social mecia handles. Srinjoy Bose made the statement as a general secretary of MBAC and addressed MB fans only as MBAC is nothing but a co-owner of the new club and ATKMB has nothing to do with Mohun Bagan AC thats why ATKMB did not even mentioned anything anywhere regarding the press release.Arrogance and stupidity in one package is not good at all.Please
IAmPushpak don't vomit your inability,this place is already atrocious.
BarcelonaFan995 (
talk) 04:01, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
even after trying to make the away jersey , my efforts were in vain. so , please make the away jersey of atk mohun bagan eka mohun bagan(for this page) in place of me. if possible leave blank space for sbotop.net in the home jersey.please make these changes . If you think of loading your culture make the away kit separate with nameFootball Away Kit,and keep the original away kit as it is but please make it.( https://www.news18.com/news/sports/isl-2020-21-atk-mohun-bagan-unveil-green-and-maroon-home-kit-with-champions-tag-3073724.html). chinakpradhan ( talk) 04:20, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Can someone just redo the away kit because the shirt misses the two central Green & Maroon vertical stripes. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 14:53, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
Please add the two maroon and green stripes in the away kit. The present one is not the appropriate one. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 22:49, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Whether or not, ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a continuation of Mohun Bagan or not, it passes wikipedia notability standards and deserves its own page. In my opinion, ATK Mohun Bagan is the continuation of ATK and not Mohun Bagan and thus we should change the title of the ATK page to ATK Mohun Bagan FC and change the tense of all footballing activities in the Mohun Bagan A.C. page to past tense. Please let me know what everybody else's opinion is. Ramit.mukherjee.1994 ( talk) 19:16, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Now isl clarifies that ATK Mohunbagan is the defending champions That means we need different page or rename ATK FC page Abhishe78 ( talk) 20:06, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
As we can see here https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkNiJcIX0AASZEu?format=jpg&name=large that the jersey and training kits of ATK Mohun Bagan FC have 3 stars, with Hero ISL champions 2019-20 embroided on it.This is a privilege only awarded to the defending champions and those 3 stars stand for the 3 ISL trophies won by ATK FC,so it is clear that ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a rebranded version of ATK FC. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 02:27, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Clearly with all the changes taking place, we can say Atk Mohun Bagan is the rebranding of Atk, so it will be the best to move the article ATK to ATK Mohun Bagan MindSlayer13 ( talk) 21:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Most of the sources we have are pointing out towards 2 possibilities, Either ATK Mohun Bagan FC is a continuation of ATK FC or it is a new entity.As most of the sources and the club itself claiming that it is a new club founded in 2020 https://m.facebook.com/pg/atkmohunbaganfc/about/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=0 I think it will be better to create a new article for ATK Mohun Bagan. ( BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 14:28, 28 October 2020 (UTC))
Hero ISL has declared the fixture of the upcoming season.Here is the press release by the official website of Hero Indian Super League.Here they defined ATK Mohun Bagan FC as the defending champion of ISL. https://www.indiansuperleague.com/press-releases/hero-isl-embarks-upon-a-unique-season-with-unprecedented-115-games BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 13:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Drat8sub So according to you the governing body of Hero ISL is not reliable.Don't know should i laugh at this or not but if you go through the press release thoroughly they used the term "new entrants" for SC East Bengal but did not use same kind of words for ATK Mohun Bagan FC and there is also a 'Mohun Bagan' in ATKMB and where the name of both Mohun Bagan and East Bengal exist the flavour of centuary old rivalry automatically comes there does not matter what the prefix or suffix present there. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 14:32, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Is AFC reliable, Drat8sub?
I think It is the right time to create a new article for ATK Mohun Bagan FC or rename the ATK FC's wiki page to ATK Mohun Bagan FC. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 16:10, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
So according to Drat8sub the governing body of association football in Asia continent,AFC is not reliable and they are spreading fake news on ATK Mohun Bagan.I think you are making a big allegation on AFC. Being one of the six confederations within FIFA they atleast verify what they are posting in their official website. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 18:48, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
When people go out of points to counter any valid arguments they start talking about other things.This is a very normal human behavior, so stop this personal attacks and if you have any kind of problem with me then come to my talk page i will be delighted to chat with such a dedicated fan like you. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 23:54, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Even the FSDL has also started modifying the statistics section in the official website to reflect statistics before the 2020-21 season to be attributed to ATK and decides to starts the stats of atk mohun bagan from 2020-21 season , so we must als make a new page for keeping the stats of atk mohun bagan now. ( https://www.telegraphindia.com/sports/indian-super-league-clean-slate-for-atk-mohun-bagan/cid/1796352). chinakpradhan ( talk) 01:30, 3 november 2020 (UTC)
This the statement of SBOTOP principle sponcer of ATK Mohunbagan "Mohun Bagan is ready to move away from its 131-year-old legacy as they have joined forces with the three-time Indian Super League Champions, ATK FC. The merged entity has been called ATK Mohun Bagan FC and the franchise recently unveiled their new logo, which retains the charm of Mohun Bagan as well as the legendary club colours." Its clear from. Above statement that atk mohunbagan is a new team and requires a new article. Abhishe78 ( talk) 12:38, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
The club itself said long ago in the press release that ATK and Mohun Bagan will make a new club to enter Hero ISL.In the about section of their official facebook page it is written 'new merged' club.Owner and director of ATKMB said in many interviews that they can not write 1889 in the logo as it is a new club founded in 2020.Big media houses like ESPEN,GOAL.Com,TOI etc had also claimed new merged club in so many articles related to ATKMB.AIFF also had 3 different pages for ATK,MB and ATKMB.One of the most followed and trusted football website transfermarkt had also created a new page for ATKMB with foundation date june1,2020.But still their are some editors in wikipedia who think they know much more about ATKMB compare to the club officials,AIFF,Media houses,FSDL/ISL and their only goal is to somehow save the image and legacy of a certain club by showing ATKMB as a continuation of MB.They will do their best to prevent other editors from creating a new article for ATK Mohun Bagan FC. BarcelonaFan995 ( talk) 13:37, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
If ATK Mohun Bagan was a continuation of ATK then they would be playing the qualifying play offs of AFC Cup, as it was awarded to ATK and not the group stage of AFC Cup which was awarded to Mohun Bagan. And if the merger was completely a new entity then they wouldn't be allowed to play any of the AFC tournaments in the inaugural season. The fan fights are clearly making this topic complicated. Previously United Spirits too had bought stakes of Mohun Bagan, but that didn't lead to the formation of a new entity, so why this time. ATK Mohun Bagan is continuing every attribute of Mohun Bagan- they have same logo with a new prefix(which is not new), same kit colours, same taglines, same fanbase and will also play the 'oldest derby in Asia' as well. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 08:08, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
The ISL, AIFF and also the ATK Mohun Bagan management are playing safe. And AFC just like UEFA, or any other international associations does not post news independently, they follow the grassroot associations. So whatever AIFF will tell AFC, they will consider that only. And AIFF itself doesn't want to declare the reality and want to keep the followers of both MB and ATK happy. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 08:13, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello Drat8sub, Is it possible to get back the images previously available for the crests section? Recently it was found that the images are no longer available and hence it was removed. IAmPushpak ( talk) 01:56, 01 November 2020 (UTC)
I added the crests but I didn't have sufficient data about copyrights, so they might get removed soon. I hope Drat8sub can arrange the crests and exchange them ASAP. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 14:31, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
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Hello Drat8sub, could you please look into this? Why are these nominated for deletion? Thanks in advance. IAmPushpak ( talk) 08:31, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Since this page represents the club as a whole, so it is highly recommended to add a section of OTHER SPORTS to avoid disputes of whether this page represents only the football activities or not. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 17:48, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi Debankan Mullick, we already have a section that redirects to other sports of Mohun Bagan. We will try to incorporate a brief secton of those areas too. IAmPushpak ( talk) 08:54, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
New users are coming and constantly changing the name and logo of the page. Someone provide a protection on this page. This page is referred to the whole multi-sport club not just the football operations. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 17:07, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
ArnabSaha is there anyway to get a protection on this page. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 14:33, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi Debankan Mullick, this article is already semi protected. IAmPushpak ( talk) 08:57, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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2409:4073:189:77C:0:0:73D:D8A5 ( talk) 15:22, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Given that the Indian Super League starts tomorrow, and most of the dust has settled on whether ATK Mohun Bagan is a continuation of ATK FC or not (I think it can be said with very high confidence that ATK Mohun Bagan is not a continuation of ATK FC), and there is no real source/evidence saying that ATK Mohun Bagan is a continuation of the football department of Mohun Bagan, I would like to propose that a new page be made for ATK Mohun Bagan FC. If there are any sources which clearly states ATK Mohun Bagan is the continuation of Mohun Bagan, except for the two letters/statements already mentioned here (and on which there is no consensus), it would be great if someone could present that here. If not, please comment if there are any other objections.
Ramit.mukherjee.1994 ( talk) 20:47, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
The owning company of ATK FC bought 80% stakes of Mohun Bagan FC to form ATK Mohun Bagan FC, so legally it is a continuation of Mohun Bagan FC. Similar thing had happen previously also when United Spirits bought stakes of MBFC to form McDowell Mohun Bagan FC. So I don't think there is any need of separate page. There is already a separate section for ATK MB in History, just like MMB has. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 17:05, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
20% stakes are still with MB FC so they have a little control as well. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 07:52, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
And MB FC is a part of MB AC Society Debankan Mullick ( talk) 07:54, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Since a seperate page aor ATK Mohun BAgan is already created, It would be better to clear the squad & technical staff from here, and Owner column should be only MBAC society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellowiki137 ( talk • contribs) 10:29, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Constant vandalism is occuring since the protection was removed. Please add a protection ASAP. Debankan Mullick ( talk) 16:51, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
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If ATK Mohun Bagan is a new club formed by the merger of the football division of Mohun Bagan and ATK, then why the current season link redirects to 2020-21 ATK Mohun Bagan page? The same is not found on the ATK FC page. Either it should be on both club's wikipedia page or it should be on no ones. Laser Victor 2017 ❯❯❯ talk 08:07, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Since more than 5 days has passed, and none has responded, I'm going forward on deleting the section. Laser Victor 2017 ❯❯❯ talk 11:47, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. per discussion consensus and title consistency. FYI to nominator, this should have been done as one single RM discussion, with all the titles listed. But it's easier to just go ahead and do the moves now. ( non-admin closure) — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 10:39, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Mohun Bagan A.C. → Mohun Bagan AC – Consistency with current naming conventions in Category:Football clubs in India , Category:Indian Super League teams and so on. Footwiks ( talk) 06:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Moreover, Mohun Bagan Official website is using Mohun Bagan AC Footwiks ( talk) 14:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Although a lot about this matter is already discussed before, but still, as a die-heart fan of this historic club, I am starting the discussion again in a new section. I think by creating a new article, it is indirectly meant that this is a new club and not continuation of the century-old club. I must say by meaning so, the dignity of Mohun Bagan club and even the patriotic spirit of the Indians is vilified, reminiscing the fact that the victory of Mohun Bagan against many British football teams during pre-independence era rejuvenated the lost spirit of patriotism in the hearts of crores of Indians. Just as our arch-rivals East Bengal has a single article, the similar thing should be done in case of this football club. Just as the colour and crest of Mohun Bagan is kept intact, the history of the club should be likewise kept unaltered. So, the page ATK Mohun Bagan FC should be dissolved into and not merged with this article. All Mohun Baganis are hereby requested to raise their voice regarding this burning issue. Thank you.-- Michri michri ( talk) 08:50, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn unanimously by official data. 103.27.142.111 ( talk) 11:55, 21 March 2023 (UTC) 103.27.142.111 ( talk) 11:55, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
I propose merging
ATK Mohun Bagan FC into
Mohun Bagan AC. Recent announcement by ATKMB principal owner Dr. Sanjiv Goenka about renaming ATKMB to MBSG has made it clear beyond doubt that ATKMB is not a merged entity, but the football division of MBAC only. ATK is just a brand name representing the investor group led by Dr. Goenka, which will soon be replaced by Super Giants. So, maintaining a separate page and record-book for ATKMB is unnecessary. Essentially, ATKMB (soon to be renamed to MBSG) is similar to McDowell's Mohun Bagan, which was the football division of Mohun Bagan from 1998 to 2015.
We should the page of ATKMB seperately because Wikipedia depends on reliable sources. World famous reliable sources still consider ATKMB as a new club 2020. Moreover in AIFF official website there are different profile for ATKMB and MB. So we should have to wait for merging or renaming till official branding of new name Mohun Bagan super giant. SAIKAT MARINERS DEY ( talk) 03:17, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
After the announcement, caution to editors!!! main Rule no. it's next season name is Mohun Bagan SG not this season for this season it's ATK Mohun Bagan FC. This season still has Super Cup and Indian AFC Cup qualifiers, where the team is still ATKMB, change only after completing Indian qualifiers on 29 April or 3 May 2022. You can do as your wish to rename, go back to MB page or merge this page, but do all those things after Indian AFC cup qualifiers 103.27.142.111 ( talk) 11:55, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi,
It has been observed that there is just no record of the matches Mohun Bagan played from 1889 to 1996. All the seasons starts from 1996. However for such a heritage club, atleast Wikipedia should have the details. So I would request the editors to include previous seasons also, from 1889 to 1996
IAmPushpak ( talk) 07:29, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
Merger of ATKMB page to MBAC page is not same as renaming of ATKMB to MBSG. ATKMB will be renamed to MBSG after this season, but the announcement has been made already, which in turn has proven that ATKMB is the football division of MBAC, and not any separate entity. So we should merge the two pages and start counting the records together right now. At least this is my view, but I am up for debate and did not edit anything unilaterally. It is unfortunate that the merger proposal discussion has been closed and I cannot login to my account either. @ SAIKAT MARINERS DEY @ 103.27.142.111 150.107.179.178 ( talk) 10:54, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
After Dr, Goenka's announcement had cleared all confusions about ATKMB (soon to be renamed to MBSG) being MB and MB only, I proposed to merge the ATKMB page to the MBAC page, but @ 103.27.142.111 closed that discussion abruptly without allowing enough people to engage. So, without altering the status or contents of the ATKMB page, I am gradually adding all history, records and statistics of the last 3 seasons to the MBAC page. In the meantime, we can discuss wheher a separate ATKMB page is necessary at all. @ SAIKAT MARINERS DEY @ ArsenalFan700 @ Ramit mukherjee Mohunbagani ( talk) 11:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
All editors started to add ATKMB records in this page. They are requested to wait till official branding of Mohun Bagan super giant. Admins are requested to protect this page. SAIKAT MARINERS DEY ( talk) 00:20, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
This discussion is based on the merger proposal submitted in Mohun Bagan SG proposing to merge Mohun Bagan SG into Mohun Bagan AC Support Based on the edits made to the social media handles of Mohun Bagan Super Giant, this entity is clearly a continuation of Mohun Bagan ( https://www.facebook.com/atkmohunbaganfc/about_details) and there is no reason to maintain a separate page for Mohun Bagan SG. Instead Mohun Bagan SG after the merge should redirect to Mohun Bagan AC
Ramit.mukherjee.1994 ( talk) 23:59, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
Merge :Exactly. There is no need for a separate page any more. Requesting admin to kindly merge. Mohunbagani ( talk) 07:40, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Merge: per proposal. First, their disassociation with the prefix ATK and indeed the official page bio update mentions, Estd. on 15th August 1889, Mohun Bagan is one of the oldest clubs in India and the World and is the current defending champion of Indian Super League.
Drat8sub (
talk) 10:40, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Proposition to change the article name as Mohun Bagan Super Giant instead of Mohun Bagan Athletic Club, since the article is about the football department and its history. We can add Mohun Bagan Athletic Club in the article where the topic involves details before 2020 or when it's about the parent club. Otherwise it doesn't look appropriate to the subject the article is about. Debankan talk 09:03, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuMk-VePdUk/ soon it will be released and uploaded, while mb logo can go under history section — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.120.248 ( talk) 00:43, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Debankan Mullick you have brought allegation about some bias while deleting and modifying a large part of the article. But I found that most of it is re-writing, and there are some inaccuracies too. For example, RPSG Mohun Bagan Pvt Ltd is a joint venture. KGSPL does not "own" the football division of Mohun Bagan per se. It is a conditional shareholding. That is why I wrote "sponsorship", which can be rewritten as "branding" but not "ownership". Secondly, the infobox now suggests that MBFC(I)PL owns MBAC while RPSGMBPL owns MBSG. It is inaccurate because actually MBAC owns MBFC(I)PL. This is why it would be better to mention the President (of MBAC) and Chairman (of MBSG) here and leave the detailed discussion for the "Ownership" section. Thirdly, as I have already mentioned, it is a joint venture, not an ownership deal like you have written in the "History" section. In light of this, please make these changes or give some counter-argument. Also tell me what all biases you found. @ Ramit.mukherjee.1994@Ramit.mukherjee.1994, @ IAmPushpak@IAmPushpak, @ SAIKAT MARINERS DEY Mohunbagani ( talk) 17:10, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that
Mohun Bagan AC be
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Mohun Bagan Super Giant.
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The result of the move request was: Page not moved ( non-admin closure) Debankan talk 19:07, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Mohun Bagan AC → Mohun Bagan Super Giant – This page is primarily responsible for the footballing activities of the multi-sport club Mohun Bagan AC, and the football team is officially registered as Mohun Bagan Super Giant. Many would contest this opinion by saying that this page covers all the aspects of Mohun Bagan AC and not just football team. But in that case, it makes no sense to make separate pages of Mohun Bagan AC (cricket), Mohun Bagan AC (field hockey) and Mohun Bagan SG (youth) instead of adding them all in this page itself. Furthermore, Wikipedia has no such template for 'multi-sports club', but templates for individual sporting activities of a multi-sports club. For example, FC Barcelona and Real Madrid CF are multi-sports clubs, but their football team page doesn't consider itself as a multi-sports club article. Changing the article name won't affect the historical data from pre-2023 era. Debankan talk 17:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
And remember soon as atk gone, page was merged. If such things happen after every new sponsor, whats whole point?!?!?!....... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.120.79 ( talk) 18:13, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
can someone please upload high resolution SVG image for Mohun Bagan Super Giant logo 103.249.7.100 ( talk) 20:07, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
why is there not a separate Wikipedia page for the football club? i feel like this page is not enough to cover the football part as it talks about all the sports departments that is in the club itself. sp to avoid disputes and easy changes pls create a separate wikipage for the football department Credmaster 20 ( talk) 08:31, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
ISL playoffs is part of ISL, but ISL playoffs is displayed as a different knockout cup section in season overview table. Admins are requested to correct this error SAIKAT MARINERS DEY ( talk) 16:04, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
The present table seems absolutely fine, with required info, well summarised. Bengaluru FC table must be segregated to show premiership and championship info separately. You cannot show a championship information with in a league when the club is ending as third place in regular season, since ISL have separate league winner and champions. I have done little tweak to include the championship and premiership info for consistency. But if there is a problem with the table, then it the colour of the heading. Not per guidelines, not per colour blindness combination, use the colour similar to Coaching staff section. The text in white and the column in alternate green and maroon. Thank you. Drat8sub ( talk) 15:48, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Stadium page under attack (capacity) 93.143.252.66 ( talk) 13:24, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Until when will be empty only if users cant upload new version..... 93.140.103.186 ( talk) 23:47, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mohun_Bagan_Super_Giant.svg#mw-jump-to-license
Can someone fix this issue 93.140.103.186 ( talk) 12:28, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
I don't know why there is a view problem in club ranking section. If club ranking section is clicked then only Performance in AFC competitions, notable players, Mohun Bagan day and so on section are displayed. But these should be displayed differently like other section. SAIKAT MARINERS DEY ( talk) 05:45, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
{{col-begin|width=95%}}
template. I would suggest avoiding this template and use {{Col-begin}}
{{Col-2}}
and likewise.
Debankan
talk 08:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)In summary it's written that that till now the club has won the top league 6 times that includes ISL title. So again why repeatedly it's written that the club has also won several other trophies including ISL playoffs. So @ Mohunbagani ! Why are you writing a same trophy twice? @ Drat8sub please come here, Only you can stop him. SAIKAT MARINERS DEY ( talk) 13:06, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
I propose that the section about Mohun Bagan AC be split into a separate page called Mohun Bagan SG. A general sports club history could be added to this article, and links to the new football page would be added there. This section is large and well-sourced enough to make its own page.
Pinging @ Joseph2302 and KadenIN: on the basis of our earlier discussion here. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ 🗿 07:49, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
1. Mohun Bagan SG
2. East Bengal FC
But only if these can be done, otherwise these splits have no meaning. Here are my suggestions so that the no confusion occurs while splitting. The mother clubs, Mohun Bagan AC & East Bengal Club articles to be summarized with good lead, the present lede is 90 percent about football. So, the lede must be about all sports and sub-section must be of different sports in summarised way, including only specific and important facts.
For Mohun Bagan AC & East Bengal Club
1. Lede ,
2. History (creation, formation, development, sponsorship deals etc and etc) 2.1. Ownership & Management ,
3. Departments includes(whichever available with source & only summarised) 3.1. Football 3.1.1. Youth Football 3.2. Hockey 3.3. Cricket 3.3.1. Women's cricket, 3.4. Tennis , 3.5. Esports etc.
4. Club image includes 4.1. Crest and colour 4.2. Stadium(all sports) 4.3. Supporter 4.4. Rivalry in different sports (if available) ,
5. Honours 5.1. Records (only specific honours and records in all sports)
6. Mohun Bagan Day 6.1. Campaign 6.2. Mohun Bagan Ratna (only for MohunBagan article for East Bengal will different)
7. Legacy and popular culture (includes arts, culture, filmgraphy, social impact, impact in sports etc.)
For Mohun Bagan SG
1. Lede ,
2. History 2.1 Formation and early years 2.2. 1910s-1930s 2.3. 1940s-1970s 2.4. 1980s-1990s 2.5. 1990s-2000s 2.6. 2000S-2010s 2.7. 2010s-2020s 2.8. 2020-present (including sub sections like 1911 IFA shield, 1947 IFA shield, 1960 gold period, 1970 decline & revival under PKBanerjee etc)
3. Crest, colour and kits 3.1. Kit manufacturers and sponsors
4. Stadiums
5. Supporters
6. Rivalry
7. Ownerships and sponsorship naming
8. Current management 9. Coaching staff 10. Players 10.1. Notable players with stats 11. Season overview 12. Performance in AFC competitions 13. Honours14. Legacy and popular culture (includes arts, culture, filmgraphy, social impact, impact in sports etc.)
Similarly, goes with East Bengal FC. If the splits are done with articles not structured properly then the same confusion will prevail between the two articles and discussion will be endless, which is going on for last 2 years. Hope this helps.
Drat8sub (
talk) 17:35, 6 August 2023 (UTC)