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Various editors, at various times, have used both systems. I personally prefer the more academic BCE/CE system for material on non-Christian archaeology. Shall we take a poll? WBardwin ( talk) 23:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Option 1: AD/BC
Option 2: BCE/CE
I do realize the difficulty of what I am asking here, as these are murky waters. But I'm working on a related topic and it seems to me that the claim that all Pueblo groups are descended from the Mogollon is over-broad, or, if true, requires supporting material. See for example a similar claim made of the Sinagua, which I also found surprising, since I'd been taught that the Pueblo were descended from the Anasazi of Chaco Canyon. I suspect, given the differing language groups, that all of these statements are partly true, or that new findings have shifted the consensus, but ya, a reference (and/or perhaps an edit) seem to be called for. I definitely see a need for a family tree and if that's the link I see above, I may want to use or link to it. thanks Elinruby ( talk) 01:00, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
I do not think that the article as written suggests that any of the modern pueblo groups were solely descended from people living within the Mogollon area. At any rate it was not intended to imply that. If you could name a woman living at, for example, the Galaz site in the Mimbres valleu around CE 1000, she might be ancestral to persons living in any or all of the modern pueblos, and yet those modern living persons may also be descendants of people that lived in Chaco area around CE 1000 as well. When you run all your ancestry back 1000 years, you wind up with a lot if potential ancestors. That's my 2 cents anyhow. Hope that clarifies it a bit. Paul Martin originally raised the idea of a direct ancestral connection between Mogollon and Zuni about 40 years ago. Mike Diehl ( talk) 03:29, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Added citation to Gregory and Willcox edited volume reviewing evidence for direct ancestral connections between Mogollon and Zuni. Mike Diehl ( talk) 03:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
This is the place to discuss additions or deletions of references and in-line citations. Thanks in advance. Mike Diehl ( talk) 16:08, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I would like to move the list of institutions that have conducted excavations on Mogollon sites to a separate section from the Culture History section. I would also like to develop a second section for links to specific other wiki articles such as the one for Nan Ranch. Perhaps someone could assemble a comprehensive list of links to such wiki pages. We also probably should link this article to Wikipedia articles about Paul Martin as well as Emily Haury. Mike Diehl ( talk) 21:48, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
To learn more about footnotes, please read: Wikipedia:Footnotes#Footnotes_in_action. - Uyvsdi ( talk) 22:00, 29 January 2014 (UTC)Uyvsdi
They should be 3.1 and 3.2. Anyone know how to fix that? Thx. MikeDiehl 18:08, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
From the entry: "....textured plainware. Large ceremonial structures (often called "kivas") are dug deep into the ground and often include distinctive ceremonial features such as foot drums and log grooves."
What are plainware and log grooves?
Also, this part: "Classic Mimbres phase (AD 1000-1130) pueblos can be quite large, with some composed of clusters of communities, each containing up to 150 rooms and all grouped around an open plaza." Can you define "quite large" in terms of feet/centimeters or yards/meters? About how many people lived in one group? Were they all related? Thank you. Rissa, copy editor ( talk) 01:12, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
I am a professional copy editor with considerable experience editing encyclopedia entries. I'd like to edit this entry -- I won't change the structure or delete important points and I won't add new text. I know more about the Mimbres than the average person, but I am by no means an expert. Is there anyone here I can ask questions of if I don't understand a term (like plainware and log grooves)? Also, this entry goes back and forth between present and past tense -- which is preferred? I'd like to come back and start on this in about ten days. To repeat -- I won't change the structure, delete important points or add new text. Thank you. Rissa, copy editor ( talk) 01:04, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
@ Risssa:, if you are still out there, this article could definitely use some copy editing. I tried to clean it up some but would be happy to help go over it with you. Yuchitown ( talk) 03:50, 16 November 2015 (UTC)Yuchitown
Here's some of the "further reading" listings from the main article if anyone wants to access them or restore any of them. Yuchitown ( talk) 04:26, 16 November 2015 (UTC)Yuchitown
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Hey all,
It's come to my attention that throughout this article, the topic of interest (Mogollon) is both referred to as "Mogollon culture" and "the Mogollon.
The title, for example, names them as the "Mogollon culture". However, leading into the History section, they're referred to as "the Mogollon" several times over. This narrative contradicts the title, shifting the scope of the article not to strictly towards a so-called "archaeological group" but a defined people.
It seems rational to rename the title to "Mogollon," removing a titular 'the' from the title. This would fall in line with the customary precedent in wikipedia titling articles about native american peoples (as evidenced by, say,
Cherokee or
Mexica), and also avert the whole mess in having to change the wording of the history section to fit the outdated title.
All in all, the path seems clear for this one, but I just wanted to get some feedback before I made any relatively big changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rankedo ( talk • contribs) 06:46, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Just wondering, where is the Grasshopper Pueblo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg.collver ( talk • contribs) 14:51, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
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Various editors, at various times, have used both systems. I personally prefer the more academic BCE/CE system for material on non-Christian archaeology. Shall we take a poll? WBardwin ( talk) 23:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Option 1: AD/BC
Option 2: BCE/CE
I do realize the difficulty of what I am asking here, as these are murky waters. But I'm working on a related topic and it seems to me that the claim that all Pueblo groups are descended from the Mogollon is over-broad, or, if true, requires supporting material. See for example a similar claim made of the Sinagua, which I also found surprising, since I'd been taught that the Pueblo were descended from the Anasazi of Chaco Canyon. I suspect, given the differing language groups, that all of these statements are partly true, or that new findings have shifted the consensus, but ya, a reference (and/or perhaps an edit) seem to be called for. I definitely see a need for a family tree and if that's the link I see above, I may want to use or link to it. thanks Elinruby ( talk) 01:00, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
I do not think that the article as written suggests that any of the modern pueblo groups were solely descended from people living within the Mogollon area. At any rate it was not intended to imply that. If you could name a woman living at, for example, the Galaz site in the Mimbres valleu around CE 1000, she might be ancestral to persons living in any or all of the modern pueblos, and yet those modern living persons may also be descendants of people that lived in Chaco area around CE 1000 as well. When you run all your ancestry back 1000 years, you wind up with a lot if potential ancestors. That's my 2 cents anyhow. Hope that clarifies it a bit. Paul Martin originally raised the idea of a direct ancestral connection between Mogollon and Zuni about 40 years ago. Mike Diehl ( talk) 03:29, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Added citation to Gregory and Willcox edited volume reviewing evidence for direct ancestral connections between Mogollon and Zuni. Mike Diehl ( talk) 03:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
This is the place to discuss additions or deletions of references and in-line citations. Thanks in advance. Mike Diehl ( talk) 16:08, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I would like to move the list of institutions that have conducted excavations on Mogollon sites to a separate section from the Culture History section. I would also like to develop a second section for links to specific other wiki articles such as the one for Nan Ranch. Perhaps someone could assemble a comprehensive list of links to such wiki pages. We also probably should link this article to Wikipedia articles about Paul Martin as well as Emily Haury. Mike Diehl ( talk) 21:48, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
To learn more about footnotes, please read: Wikipedia:Footnotes#Footnotes_in_action. - Uyvsdi ( talk) 22:00, 29 January 2014 (UTC)Uyvsdi
They should be 3.1 and 3.2. Anyone know how to fix that? Thx. MikeDiehl 18:08, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
From the entry: "....textured plainware. Large ceremonial structures (often called "kivas") are dug deep into the ground and often include distinctive ceremonial features such as foot drums and log grooves."
What are plainware and log grooves?
Also, this part: "Classic Mimbres phase (AD 1000-1130) pueblos can be quite large, with some composed of clusters of communities, each containing up to 150 rooms and all grouped around an open plaza." Can you define "quite large" in terms of feet/centimeters or yards/meters? About how many people lived in one group? Were they all related? Thank you. Rissa, copy editor ( talk) 01:12, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
I am a professional copy editor with considerable experience editing encyclopedia entries. I'd like to edit this entry -- I won't change the structure or delete important points and I won't add new text. I know more about the Mimbres than the average person, but I am by no means an expert. Is there anyone here I can ask questions of if I don't understand a term (like plainware and log grooves)? Also, this entry goes back and forth between present and past tense -- which is preferred? I'd like to come back and start on this in about ten days. To repeat -- I won't change the structure, delete important points or add new text. Thank you. Rissa, copy editor ( talk) 01:04, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
@ Risssa:, if you are still out there, this article could definitely use some copy editing. I tried to clean it up some but would be happy to help go over it with you. Yuchitown ( talk) 03:50, 16 November 2015 (UTC)Yuchitown
Here's some of the "further reading" listings from the main article if anyone wants to access them or restore any of them. Yuchitown ( talk) 04:26, 16 November 2015 (UTC)Yuchitown
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Hey all,
It's come to my attention that throughout this article, the topic of interest (Mogollon) is both referred to as "Mogollon culture" and "the Mogollon.
The title, for example, names them as the "Mogollon culture". However, leading into the History section, they're referred to as "the Mogollon" several times over. This narrative contradicts the title, shifting the scope of the article not to strictly towards a so-called "archaeological group" but a defined people.
It seems rational to rename the title to "Mogollon," removing a titular 'the' from the title. This would fall in line with the customary precedent in wikipedia titling articles about native american peoples (as evidenced by, say,
Cherokee or
Mexica), and also avert the whole mess in having to change the wording of the history section to fit the outdated title.
All in all, the path seems clear for this one, but I just wanted to get some feedback before I made any relatively big changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rankedo ( talk • contribs) 06:46, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Just wondering, where is the Grasshopper Pueblo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg.collver ( talk • contribs) 14:51, 2 January 2020 (UTC)