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It's a little bizarre to say that Modren Talking were preceived as a gay group in the United Kingdom, and I would dispute that (not that it matters, being gay myself). Whilst it is true that their early singles were played in gay clubs in the early 80s, the real reason for their lack of success in Britain, would I feel, mainly be due to the fact that Britain has a distaste for Euro Pop in general. They do not mind the 'one off' euro hit, but generally the style of Modern Talking would never have sat favourably in the UK Playlists of radio stations. Britain has always 'looked down'on the style of music that Modern Talking produced, considering it trite and without substance. Of course not all European music has had the same reception in the UK, Abba being a notable example. But then, Abba cannot possibly be compared to Modern Talking, being musically in another league to this band. But you know, I did like Modern Talking,catchy songs, although they all sounded the same!!
This article reads like a fan page: "Composer Dieter Bohlen employed mood-evoking lyrics and intellectually-designed, synthesizer-based music". Putting aside the obvious and laughable hyperbole, this is unsourced original research, and this entire article should be in the tone of an encyclopedia article and not a record company press release. Also, cut down on the hyphenation, my German friends. "Intellectually-designed" is not proper English usage. Unigolyn 11:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
The article says "Modern Talking is the only band to Score five consecutive number one singles in Germany along with Boney M." How can they be the only band to achieve this if Boney M also did it? Mrwhizzard 20:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Who replaced the previous picture of MT by the current one? I want to see that 80's picture again...they are an 80's group above all.
You can see this in the "history" tab...
The Compilations are not chronological.
Please refrain from future non-constructive alterations to this article. Repeated alterations of similar nature will constitute vandalism to the article and will be treated as such.
I have spent many hours on this article and I'm quite familiar with a duo's history. The information that you continually keep including cannot be found within the official web site of Modern Talking/Thomas Anders. And I certainly hope you have not been drawn to this nonsense because you see Dieter Bohlen standing next to some guys [1] which could very easily be told by anybody that the image of Dieter Bohlen is simply added on. Also, it is an unpofessionally written article with grammatical errors and cannot be used as a reliable source.
If you are still going to insist on it then you're going to have to come up with other useful sources, this will not do it. In other words, your persistant reversions basing on those sources are only going to make you end up in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents -- Harout72 ( talk) 01:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Is true here need to exist the basic info, but many important information is missing, what about the real voices of Modern Talking?. Thomas Anders and Dieter Bohlen were always who we could see in covers, posters, videos, etc, but in same way that Mini Vanilli and Boney M, Den Harrow, etc. (they had help of other singers). The real voices in chorus, the real choir were Systems In Blue (Rolf Köhler, Michael Scholz and Detlef Wiedeke), together with Birger Corleis. I know there are some interest in hide this "dark" part, for people that believe is a kind of threath to Bohlen or something like "to destroy dreams", this is just very stupid in my opinion, the truth is the truth, we have to give the right credit to all people that make this band possible, and this is not classificated or secret info, these are not rumours, these are facts, that we can't hide with a finger. The public need to read the truth, and not the so well known and manipulated story that we read by years. We do all with respect of course.
Bluesky84 ( talk) 23:34, 11 August 2009 (UTC) Modern Talking biographer
I am sorry, but nothing of that kind will be allowed to be inserted unless there is a highly reliable source supporting such a thing.-- Harout72 ( talk) 23:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Please familiarize yourself with WP:RS. It's quite clear that you are new at wikipedia. If no reliable source has so far published anything like what you are suggesting, well, perhaps, they are rumors. By the way, on the booklet of Let's Talk About Love, it reads: Many thanks to our friends: Birger Corleis, Rolf Koehler, Michael Scholz, Ralf Stemmann, Dieter Wiedeke, Arnie-Studio and all the fans of Modern Talking. Does this mean that we should also believe that some of the MT fans have produced vocals? I am not sure what you expected me to understand after I read it.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
What other proof am I after? Let me ask you this, did you familiarize yourself with WP:RS, did you read this here? If not please do so.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I guess this means you didn't read WP:RS, I am sorry I can't help you any further than this. We need reliable sources and end of story.-- Harout72 ( talk) 01:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Bluesky84, you are absolute right! I (and also other people) hase always changed on this page that dieter is no singer. The high-pitched parts are sung by Rolf Köhler, Detlef Wiedecke, Michael Scholz (alias Systems In Blue). The voices of Systems In Blue are very similar to the voices of Modern Talking Refrains. The main voice of Systems in Blue (Rolf Köhler) is the same voice as the mainvoice of Blue System Refrains. And if you listen to the song "Let's Talk about Love", you can hear very clear the voice of Rolf Köhler in the refrain of the song. In this song he sing 'normal', without high pitched voice. The mainvoice of the refrain of "Let's Talk About Love" is the same voice as the Blue System refrains, and that is the same voice as the Systems In Blue refrains. And that's Rolf Köhler. Everybody can hear with his own ears! And there are many realistic sources and references on the internet about this and it's is not fake. There is a documentary from the german tv on youtube: Akte 03 ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDxvKKouTJs), there you can see that Rolf Köhler is singin and you can hear demotapes with the real voice of dieter bohlen, and dieter has a very limited voice and it's not similair to the Modern Talking chorus. It's true that SIB are not Modern Talking: Dieter and Thomas are Modern Talking, but SIB helped together with Modern Talking in the studios. SIB are a part of Modern Talking. And they sale there voices to Dieter. SIB helped Dieter with the songs of Modern Talking and that is a truth. It has been proved, we can hear it at the songs and there is enough information about it on the internet. Look to other the Modern Talking pages of the other languages from wikipedia: their names have been written, such as the german (deutsch), spanish (espanol) and especially the dutch (nederlands) wikipedia, there is very much info about the chorus of Modern Talking. And why this info must be hidden on this page? I love Modern Talking because the high pitched voices. They are very typical for Modern Talking and i know they are sung by Systems In Blue. Thats the reason i have very much respect to them. I have respect for Thomas Anders, he is a great singer and of course i have also respect to Dieter Bohlen. He is the founder, composer and creator of Modern Talking, but he is no singer!
Sorry for my bad english, i hope that i am clear. 83.83.95.239 ( talk) 10:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh now we are supporting these claims by unofficial artists' sites? Even the official artists' sites are not considered third party reliable sources, see
WP:RS, why are we not able to locate any third party reliable sources confirming about the vocalists? Is it that insignificant? What's astonishing that the claim is even supported by a You Tube site, see this
Are IRC, MySpace, and YouTube reliable sources? please. I am removing all of them unless someone comes forward with a third party reliable source. Look for it in the Germany's
google, perhaps, you might find something in German and that should be fine. --
Harout72 (
talk)
01:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
do you need a source: here is a 07 article in
Stern: cit.: "Rolf Köhler: Bohlens Sänger ist tot" "eine der Stimmen von Modern Talking und Blue System" translates: "
Rolf Köhler:
Bohlen's singer is dead" ... "one of the voices of Modern Talking and
Blue System"
http://www.stern.de/kultur/musik/rolf-koehler-bohlens-saenger-ist-tot-598031.html (
E-Kartoffel (
talk)
12:49, 19 February 2011 (UTC))
Rather than keeping this argument going (and probably ending up with a 3RR block) why not propose the text of a section on the band's sound. If it's obvious to all that there are more than two voices, and the other voices contribute a great deal to the 'sound', hash out a section about it here. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 16:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Modern Talking is the band, therefore the lede of the article should not include information about other artistes who regularly perform with Modern Talking. Half of the 1980s disco acts owed their success to the presence of the Tower of Power horns, but it would be equally improper to insist that TofP were members of any of those ensembles. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 16:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Discofox is a dance, but also it become a music style in Germany, the music for the dance discofox is sometimes quite different to the music of the style. I think there are a misunderstanding about that. -- Bluesky84 ( talk) 17:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC) MTB
I will let this discussion here for future people that maybe try to make some contributions. The situation is this, due to the polemic that this band got in the last times, since was discovered Dieter Bohlen really didn't sing in Modern Talking, and the real singers (Rolf Köhler, Detlef Wiedeke, Michael Scholz and Birger Corleis), never got the right credits, and licenses, Bohlen promised them. There are some problems with some people that take partiality with a side or other of the story, as a result we have this kind of conflicts. Here in wikipedia seems is impossible to keep a neutral position, and more impossible to keep a real serious neutral biography about this band. There are many excuses, manipulation of the rules, the reliable sources are not taking like important for personal questionable decitions, is really a pity can't exist some fair here. Who can read the history of the editions, can realize, how many times people tried to say the truth, recently I just tried to complete the information, I didn't attack, offend, or say any nosense with my contribution, but the vandalism only come from those that try to hide the truth. So we are notify, this story about Modern Talking is manipulated, and don't give enough serious information. I hope any good and fair solution can come in future. -- Bluesky84 ( talk) 17:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Bluesky, i have earlier the names of the studiomusicans written by Production and sales figures. I have written there role in the band and i have find some relieble sources. By one of the sources we can see and hear Rolf Köhler singing and we hear some demotapes from Dieter himself and we can clearly hearing that the voice of Dieter not similair is to the chorus of Modern Talking. And that is the fact. And there are more sources. I hope that the manipulation of this page is over. 83.83.95.239 ( talk) 19:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I don't know why I can't login me in the english wikipedia, my login belong to a different wikipedia language and maybe are not compatibles. I only wanted to comment, that I am agree, this article is not being serious and had been in this way since long time. Moreover the claims about reliable sources are not clear, what are they really asking to have?, because I find many evidence and the information is also available in the net. Here a link that maybe can help, is a official Fansite of SIB [2] and also in this german site translated in many languages, please read [3]-- 190.234.167.10 ( talk) 22:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for your suggestion about the global login. I had read the new contributions talking about the real choir of Modern Talking, and I find it good, finally!!. Just I want to add this little clarification, is true talkingforever.com started like a fansite (Modern Talking was over when it was released and Bohlen didn't answer the request for make it like official spanish site of Modern Talking), but then this site became a portal that is divided in different sections including official fansites, aprooved by the same artists, this is the case of C.C.Catch and Systems In Blue. So in the site of Systems In Blue, the link is www.talkingforever.com/systemsinblue, is declared like official site to the hispanic people (with an english section for non-spanish speakers fans) and the information comes with the direct order and authorization of this artists. All info there also was previous consulted to the same musicians involved, in this case, even the current backvocal singers of Dieter Bohlen made some contribution. I also have some articles in press and serious magazines in german that if is necessary I will try to scann and translate, there are evidence everywhere, but exist an interest of Dieter Bohlen for hide this facts, he is powerful inside Germany with many influence in music market and is trying to destroy to Systems In Blue and people that show this shameful true about him to the world, please consider that. Wikipedia must to keep a neutral position and don't hide this things in favour of impunity and injustice. -- 190.234.167.10 ( talk) 23:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
All my sources are deleted and this page is blocked! I'm no vandalist, i'm very serious! Many people believe that dieter is the backroundsinger of Modern Talking, because we can seeing Dieter singing next to Thomas Anders. But in fact he don't sing real. He has studiosingers to produced the vocals for Dieter. Dieter can't sing! We can hear it by the strophes of Blue System, he has a very bad voice. I have never hear that voice by Modern Talking! The refrains of Blue System are sung by Rolf Köhler, because it's the same voice as the leadvocal from Systems In Blue. But everybody know's that. But by Modern Talking did dieter the same as by Blue System. The refrains of Modern Talking are also sung by Rolf Köhler and other singers too. Dieter moves his lips without actually singing! Bohlen has always portrayed himself as a singer, but he has never been a singer. This is his business. Why is youtube no reliable source? By the first video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDxvKKouTJs&feature=related) we can hear and seeing Rolf Köhler singing and we see the Modern Talking records of Detlef Wiedeke. It's a fact that Detlef Wiedeke singer is by Modern Talking. By the second video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYmhLFk_9KA&feature=related) we can hear demotapes from bohlen and that's the same voice as the Blue System Strophes, but on the demotapes he sing in Modern Talking style and it sounds not the same as the Modern Talking choir. And here we can more demotapes hearing from Dieter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oE8jH2N2dQ&feature=related. It sounds very bad, it is not similair to the voices from the Modern Talking refrains. It is a shame as we saying that this is the same as the Modern Talking chorus. I know that wikipedia don't accept youtube videos, but this is the only manner we can hear and see the proof about it. An if you very good listening to the voice of Michael Scholz of Systems In Blue: it is the same high-pitched voice from Modern Talking. We can also hear the voice of Rolf Köhler (the voice of Blue System) at the Modern Talking chorus. Listen to the song "Let's Talk About Love". The refrainvoice of that song is similair to the leadvocal of the refrains from Blue System Songs. We can find the proofs at the Modern Talking and Systems In Blue songs there. Maybe it's not professional, but look also to this http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Talking and this http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Talking. Their names are also written on this wikipedia pages. And there are more wikipedia pages were the names from Systems In Blue are written, because it's a fact that they are the chorus of Modern Talking. 83.83.95.239 ( talk) 08:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
The user Harout72 is making strong vandalism to this article too much times, he only keeps what he wants, and report to users that correct the story like vandals, when they are not vandals. Please help to dennounce this user for make him blocked and banned from this article, and recover the deleted parts that he is trying to hide and change in his only favour.-- 190.234.167.10 ( talk) 08:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
So, three separate issues here
that's maybe because I am not english speaker?, I would like to know how to login me with my nick, I guess wikipedia has a database with ips and logins for everyone, but anyway I think this is only a distractor here. I can read the whole discussion, how enough reliable sources were posted and then deleted, you write this guys are not Modern Talking, despite they were the creators of many songs included you're my heart you're my soul-- 190.43.154.26 ( talk) 15:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I think we are more, check in historial, there are other users that were attacked by harout72 before. and why we all say the same things? OMG come on!! because is TRUE!!. why everybody say that earth is not plane???, please same logic!!. Other people tried to add same info but were ignored with false statements about not reliable sources, this article need to be free, we are not vandals, the vandal is only harout72. About the reference to this song, I think wikipedia don't need to tell that, only to include the information was posted before and then deleted, to add the contribution and names of this people is enough-- 190.43.154.26 ( talk) 16:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
No i'm not Bluesky, i has just talked to him. I have no account on the english wikipdia. And i don't like the english wikipedia. I cannot talk fluencly english and i don't understand some things. But i was sad when i read that Dieter bohlen is a singer, that is not true. And the name of the real singers and the other studiomusicans are not written and thats amazing. I have written the dutch Modern Talking page on wikipedia together with other people and everyone knows that Detlef, Rolf and Michael are singers too by Modern Talking and Luis rodriques and ralf stemmann are the arrangers and co-producers and there are more people helping with Modern Talking. And it's very strange that the international (english) wikipedia page about Modern Talking isn't correct. And other people here accept that and that's a big shame. 83.83.95.239 ( talk) 16:08, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
REFERENCE PEOPLE. No reference, no entry. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 16:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, this picture belong to the booklet of Obsession CD of Blue System, look for yourself that there are evidence enough. I think the last version of 83.83 was the most fair and neutral, so would be enough that you can put again this version available for end the polemic, is more than clear the user harout72 is taking this personal, maybe for any special interest, who knows, but he is not being neutral in any sense and is even deleting your contributions. -- MT SIB ( talk) 23:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Dear Elen, of course not, they were not official members of Modern Talking, and the claims here were not to include them like members!, despite they were the 50% of the vocals together with Thomas Anders and even arrangers, (but we are not asking to write that), the claims here is only to include their complete names at least as collaborators and singers of the choir in any part of this not so neutral article, same BMG record company, now Sony admited they were the backvocal singers of this band since the beginning, this is an evident fact, they were working with Dieter Bohlen, even before this band was created and many time then with other proyects, also you can find again the reference in the LP "Let's Talk about Love" of Modern Talking, is written there again thanks to this 4 persons, for their participation in the band. Sure there are more legal documents, where is possible to see more things (maybe can be added fürther information with the time here?), but also consider with less sources, other information is admited to be published in many articles in wikipedia, (even in other wikipedia languages same information about this 4 persons was admited always without problems), so why this special exigency is demanding only here with this particular article?, why would be impossible to complete and add the fair information wich whoever has right in get from an article of wikipedia?, the answer seems was just because here an "special" user pretended to keep a questionable version and blocking who don't think like him!. You can check all articles from the whole wikipedia, be aware not all articles had the same demands for every part were added before. -- MT SIB ( talk) 04:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
If you want to take this allegation about a supposed personal attack, everyone of us can make the same, since first we were treated as vandals by this user and nobody defend us; is already demostrated that our contribution always had reliable sources that were not taken like that for the decition of this user that first decided to mark us like vandals using a threat tone, and didn't accept our participation or any kind of reasonable discussion for change his article version.-- MT SIB ( talk) 11:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Can we DROP THE STICK AND BACK SLOWLY AWAY FROM THE HORSE CARCASS Please. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 00:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I have here other reliable source from Stern. it say: "
Von 1984 bis 2000 arbeitete Köhler für so ziemlich alles, was Dieter Bohlen produzierte: Engelbert, Al Martino, Bonnie Tyler. Sein bedeutendster Einsatz jedoch war es, Teil des Kastraten-Chors von Modern Talking gewesen zu sein; Blue System, Bohlens zweites großes Projekt, prägte er mit rauchigem Gesang. In seinem Studio im niedersächsischen Brake hatte Köhler die Goldenen Schallplatten aufgehängt, die er für seine Mitarbeit an den Erfolgen von Modern Talking und Blue System bekommen hatte. Offiziell, für die Millionen "Bravo"-Leser und Verehrer des Duos Bohlen/Anders, gab es ihn in diesen Bands nie - genau so wenig wie seine Chorkollegen Detlef Wiedeke und Michael Scholz. Vor einigen Jahren, anlässlich des Comebacks von Modern Talking, waren die drei Sänger an die Öffentlichkeit gegangen: Von Bohlen selbst, so erklärten sie, stamme kein einziger Ton auf den Schallplatten - was der bis heute bestreitet. Die Plattenfirma zahlte jedem der drei daraufhin 100.000 Mark, ein Taschengeld, verglichen mit den Einnahmen, die diese ihr beschert hatten."
Translation (sorry mistakes):
"From 1984 to 2000 Köhler worked on quite everything that was produced by Dieter Bohlen: Engelbert, Al Martino, Bonnie Tyler. But his most important employment was to be part of the Eunuch-Choir for Modern Talking; Blue System, Bohlens second big Project was shaped by his husky voice. In his own Studio,which is located in Brake/Lower-Saxony, Köhler had all the gold records, which he has received for his work and success on Modern Talking and Blue System. Officiall, for all the „Bravo“-Readers and Fans of the Bohlen/Anders-Duo, he and his choir-mates Detlef Wiedeke and Michael Scholz were never existing. Some years ago, during the Comeback of Modern Talking, the three singers made it public: they explained that not one single tone on his records was sung by him – which he denies 'til today. The record company paid each of the three 100.000 Marks, just pocket money compared with the incomes the company earned."
-- Nitendra1 ( talk) 09:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
My opinion, the entry is total valid and in this is special case deserves to be exonerated of WP:TLDR for the only purpose of let the things clear, there are more than one reliable source for give to this statements the enough consideration.-- MT SIB ( talk) 11:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, here the article (LOL) [12], but in german, it says Bohlen never sang in Modern Talking, public declaration made by the same ex-producer of Modern Talking, Ralf Stemman. But if you consider this information don't need to be included, in my opinion is not necessary (we can deduce that), because the original claim was only include the names of the real singers and collaborators and if this was done already, finally I can say victory!!. I don't know if any other will claim something else, with me is enough. Peace and Love.-- MT SIB ( talk) 00:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, I think it's a very reliable source. I have seen a better version of this article, but i don't know where. I think we can write the truth about the studiosingers and that Dieter never sing in Modern Talking on the wikipedia page. This source is a good proof for that. And i can also search to other articles and sources on the internet about Dieter and the collaboration of Rolf, Detlef and Michael. But i will first waiting for reactions of the other people before i changed the page. 83.83.95.239 ( talk) 12:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Let's discuss this, rather than throwing around accusations of nonsense. If Aqua and Barbie girl are Eurodance, I don't see that Modern talking falls into that category. If Synthpop is Kraftwerk, I don't see them fitting that one either. I await other views (of which I know there are several) Elen of the Roads ( talk) 22:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
just for comment, Modern Talking music is synthpop, not electronic, not eurodance, not techno, it is also know as Disco-Fox or Dance-Fox inside Germany, a music style that has some variations in other countries in Europe (like Discopolo in Poland and Russiandisco in Russia), also in 80's it was called eurodisco or germandisco.-- MT SIB ( talk) 02:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, there's has been a very long fight about the members of the group. Dieter Bohlen NEVER sang anything on Modern Talking, so why he is listed as he has done choruses. Ok, don't put there Systems in Blue members, but, be realistic, Bohlen never sang. -- MisterWiki talking! :-D - 15:29, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
You almost sound like you have been present at every Modern Talking recording-session. If you have witnessed Bohlen sing during concerts, what makes you so sure that he couldn't do the same at the recording studio? Your statement above sounds rather ludicrous, don't you think?-- Harout72 ( talk) 02:58, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
You are speculating, that's not what we do here at wikipedia. You again sound like you have been working with Bohlen for years, and now you can tell whether it's his voice or not on a specific track. As I mentioned earlier, he may not have produced vocals for every studio track they've ever released, but that doesn't change the fact that Bohlen can and has sung on the choruses of Modern Talking possibly along with other vocalists but he has participated.-- Harout72 ( talk) 16:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. -- MisterWiki talking! :-D - 14:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Please visit Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Modern_Talking and show us your support for a Modern Talking wikiproject. MisterWiki talking! :-D ( SIGN!!!/ REVIEW) - 19:53, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Please note that we are not to fill this section with names of insignificant acts. There maybe lots of unpopular acts out there covering Modern Talking's materials, that certainly does not mean we need to link them to Modern Talking in any way. -- Harout72 ( talk) 02:37, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the sources that the statements are supported by at that page, one could easily tell that there is nothing important about them. Bear in mind that sources at wikipedia are to come from highly regarded establishments and that's not what's being demonstrated there at Talking System.-- Harout72 ( talk) 16:16, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Can I draw everybody's attention to the matter of sources. I can understand that a lot of the contributors who edit the Modern Talking article will not be from english speaking countries, but the preference for the english language Wikipedia is for its sources to be in english so that they can be easily verified. If no english sources can be found, then foreign language sources have to be translated accurately, either in the main text body or as a footnote (if it is a direct quote), or as a footnote or on the talk page (if it is merely citing a source). Please see WP:NONENG for further information. 80.47.106.231 ( talk) 23:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I have corrected the citation to the statement which mentions about 120 million, I was working on three maybe more browsers at the same time yesterday, and accidentally I must have pasted it in a wrong place. Anyways, that's fixed. I can understand how annoying it sometimes can be when a non-English source is used, and it does take extra time when one wishes to verify the given information. I am not sure where in the article we should include footnote-translations for the key statements, I have come across so many articles at wikipedia which use foreign language sources to support statements, but I have not noticed any footnote-translations. Including footnotes within the same paragraph wherein the source is used would not immediately be correct. Would we perhaps need an entirely new section for it? Is there an article where you might have seen this and can point it out for me so I can get an idea? -- Harout72 ( talk) 15:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
(I'm not a english speaker, so it's possible that my english sounds bad, sorry for that)
I think it is very strange that 'Systems in Blue' removed from the 'see also' section because they have producred oncredited vocals. And 'cc catch' are not removed because it is produced by Bohlen. That is no good reason. Systems in blue are the singers of Modern Talking, they are also important to put it there. There names are not present on the albums (instead of Let's talk about love) because marketing reasons. But Modern Talking exist no longer, so i see no reason to removed there names. And Rolf Kohler, Detlef Wiedeke and Michael scholz has also, like thomas anders, golden records of Modern Talking for there collaboration with Modern Talking as singer. There names are credited on the golden records that they have.
But however, credited or not credited, they are the singers of the modern Talking chorusses, that's a fact! And i also understand that there are much people that don't believe that, because there are never presented on concerts and albums etc and Bohlen has never told about it to the media. But the last years there are more people knows that rolf kohler to be the most important singer of the high pitched chorusses. Like here in the netherlands, germany, spain it's almost known about this. And that's the reason that on the other wikipedia pages about modern talking much more info about SIB (with realible sources of course) are written.
So I don't understand why the words 'Systems in Blue' and the names of the members are not much present here on this page. Explain please. 87.212.141.181 ( talk) 20:24, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Modern Talking's earlier recordings 1984-1987 can be viewed as New Wave. Please discuss before making attempts in removing it. Also see Modern Talking's genres at Allmuic.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
You'd be surprised how much I know about music. And yes, lot of MT recordings are simply Europop, but lot of them can also be viewed as New Wave. New Wave genre is not necessarily aggressive, it can also be mellow, yet be called New Wave.-- Harout72 ( talk) 01:10, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Removing chorus from Dieter Bohlen's name from the members-section as user E-Kartoffel in this edit has is incorrect. Note that Thomas Anders has not been officially addressed anywhere on Modern Talking's materials as the lead vocalist, yet he is, in the same vein, regardless that it's not stated anywhere on Modern Talking albums/singles that Bohlen has produced some/all vocals on choruses, he has. Please do not remove without discussing it first.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Seems like we are never going to get out of this stupid problem. These guys did contribute with their vocals, despite not being credited, but that does not mean they were members of the group. Suggest adding, the box with the real, credited members, and an explained section regarding disputes as to whether those people actually were hired to do those vocals or not, and if so, adding a similar box. What do you think? Diego Grez ( talk) 02:45, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
The participation of Rolf Köhler, Michael Scholz, Detlef Wiedeke and Birger Corleis is briefly discussed within the section of Production and Sales. But again, the source provided does mention that they never were credited for their work. As for Discogs.com, it's not a reliable source as it can be edited by anybody, also see WP:RSN. To wrap this up and not make it unnecessarily long, we could perhaps agree on changing Members into Members and Contributers, that, I believe, would be more of a logical title.-- Harout72 ( talk) 17:41, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
The article Thomas Anders v. Dieter Bohlen doesn't appear to be notable on its own. It would be suitable as a portion of this page—perhaps chopped down considerably from its current state, as it may have some WP:BLP issues. (The translation from German is weak, so I can't tell for sure.) Would this be amenable? // ⌘macwhiz ( talk) 02:56, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Knife Party's first EP is entitled, "100% No Modern Talking". Could this be a reference to this group? 7 June 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.182.29.199 ( talk) 23:08, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
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It's a little bizarre to say that Modren Talking were preceived as a gay group in the United Kingdom, and I would dispute that (not that it matters, being gay myself). Whilst it is true that their early singles were played in gay clubs in the early 80s, the real reason for their lack of success in Britain, would I feel, mainly be due to the fact that Britain has a distaste for Euro Pop in general. They do not mind the 'one off' euro hit, but generally the style of Modern Talking would never have sat favourably in the UK Playlists of radio stations. Britain has always 'looked down'on the style of music that Modern Talking produced, considering it trite and without substance. Of course not all European music has had the same reception in the UK, Abba being a notable example. But then, Abba cannot possibly be compared to Modern Talking, being musically in another league to this band. But you know, I did like Modern Talking,catchy songs, although they all sounded the same!!
This article reads like a fan page: "Composer Dieter Bohlen employed mood-evoking lyrics and intellectually-designed, synthesizer-based music". Putting aside the obvious and laughable hyperbole, this is unsourced original research, and this entire article should be in the tone of an encyclopedia article and not a record company press release. Also, cut down on the hyphenation, my German friends. "Intellectually-designed" is not proper English usage. Unigolyn 11:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
The article says "Modern Talking is the only band to Score five consecutive number one singles in Germany along with Boney M." How can they be the only band to achieve this if Boney M also did it? Mrwhizzard 20:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Who replaced the previous picture of MT by the current one? I want to see that 80's picture again...they are an 80's group above all.
You can see this in the "history" tab...
The Compilations are not chronological.
Please refrain from future non-constructive alterations to this article. Repeated alterations of similar nature will constitute vandalism to the article and will be treated as such.
I have spent many hours on this article and I'm quite familiar with a duo's history. The information that you continually keep including cannot be found within the official web site of Modern Talking/Thomas Anders. And I certainly hope you have not been drawn to this nonsense because you see Dieter Bohlen standing next to some guys [1] which could very easily be told by anybody that the image of Dieter Bohlen is simply added on. Also, it is an unpofessionally written article with grammatical errors and cannot be used as a reliable source.
If you are still going to insist on it then you're going to have to come up with other useful sources, this will not do it. In other words, your persistant reversions basing on those sources are only going to make you end up in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents -- Harout72 ( talk) 01:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Is true here need to exist the basic info, but many important information is missing, what about the real voices of Modern Talking?. Thomas Anders and Dieter Bohlen were always who we could see in covers, posters, videos, etc, but in same way that Mini Vanilli and Boney M, Den Harrow, etc. (they had help of other singers). The real voices in chorus, the real choir were Systems In Blue (Rolf Köhler, Michael Scholz and Detlef Wiedeke), together with Birger Corleis. I know there are some interest in hide this "dark" part, for people that believe is a kind of threath to Bohlen or something like "to destroy dreams", this is just very stupid in my opinion, the truth is the truth, we have to give the right credit to all people that make this band possible, and this is not classificated or secret info, these are not rumours, these are facts, that we can't hide with a finger. The public need to read the truth, and not the so well known and manipulated story that we read by years. We do all with respect of course.
Bluesky84 ( talk) 23:34, 11 August 2009 (UTC) Modern Talking biographer
I am sorry, but nothing of that kind will be allowed to be inserted unless there is a highly reliable source supporting such a thing.-- Harout72 ( talk) 23:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Please familiarize yourself with WP:RS. It's quite clear that you are new at wikipedia. If no reliable source has so far published anything like what you are suggesting, well, perhaps, they are rumors. By the way, on the booklet of Let's Talk About Love, it reads: Many thanks to our friends: Birger Corleis, Rolf Koehler, Michael Scholz, Ralf Stemmann, Dieter Wiedeke, Arnie-Studio and all the fans of Modern Talking. Does this mean that we should also believe that some of the MT fans have produced vocals? I am not sure what you expected me to understand after I read it.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
What other proof am I after? Let me ask you this, did you familiarize yourself with WP:RS, did you read this here? If not please do so.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I guess this means you didn't read WP:RS, I am sorry I can't help you any further than this. We need reliable sources and end of story.-- Harout72 ( talk) 01:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Bluesky84, you are absolute right! I (and also other people) hase always changed on this page that dieter is no singer. The high-pitched parts are sung by Rolf Köhler, Detlef Wiedecke, Michael Scholz (alias Systems In Blue). The voices of Systems In Blue are very similar to the voices of Modern Talking Refrains. The main voice of Systems in Blue (Rolf Köhler) is the same voice as the mainvoice of Blue System Refrains. And if you listen to the song "Let's Talk about Love", you can hear very clear the voice of Rolf Köhler in the refrain of the song. In this song he sing 'normal', without high pitched voice. The mainvoice of the refrain of "Let's Talk About Love" is the same voice as the Blue System refrains, and that is the same voice as the Systems In Blue refrains. And that's Rolf Köhler. Everybody can hear with his own ears! And there are many realistic sources and references on the internet about this and it's is not fake. There is a documentary from the german tv on youtube: Akte 03 ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDxvKKouTJs), there you can see that Rolf Köhler is singin and you can hear demotapes with the real voice of dieter bohlen, and dieter has a very limited voice and it's not similair to the Modern Talking chorus. It's true that SIB are not Modern Talking: Dieter and Thomas are Modern Talking, but SIB helped together with Modern Talking in the studios. SIB are a part of Modern Talking. And they sale there voices to Dieter. SIB helped Dieter with the songs of Modern Talking and that is a truth. It has been proved, we can hear it at the songs and there is enough information about it on the internet. Look to other the Modern Talking pages of the other languages from wikipedia: their names have been written, such as the german (deutsch), spanish (espanol) and especially the dutch (nederlands) wikipedia, there is very much info about the chorus of Modern Talking. And why this info must be hidden on this page? I love Modern Talking because the high pitched voices. They are very typical for Modern Talking and i know they are sung by Systems In Blue. Thats the reason i have very much respect to them. I have respect for Thomas Anders, he is a great singer and of course i have also respect to Dieter Bohlen. He is the founder, composer and creator of Modern Talking, but he is no singer!
Sorry for my bad english, i hope that i am clear. 83.83.95.239 ( talk) 10:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh now we are supporting these claims by unofficial artists' sites? Even the official artists' sites are not considered third party reliable sources, see
WP:RS, why are we not able to locate any third party reliable sources confirming about the vocalists? Is it that insignificant? What's astonishing that the claim is even supported by a You Tube site, see this
Are IRC, MySpace, and YouTube reliable sources? please. I am removing all of them unless someone comes forward with a third party reliable source. Look for it in the Germany's
google, perhaps, you might find something in German and that should be fine. --
Harout72 (
talk)
01:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
do you need a source: here is a 07 article in
Stern: cit.: "Rolf Köhler: Bohlens Sänger ist tot" "eine der Stimmen von Modern Talking und Blue System" translates: "
Rolf Köhler:
Bohlen's singer is dead" ... "one of the voices of Modern Talking and
Blue System"
http://www.stern.de/kultur/musik/rolf-koehler-bohlens-saenger-ist-tot-598031.html (
E-Kartoffel (
talk)
12:49, 19 February 2011 (UTC))
Rather than keeping this argument going (and probably ending up with a 3RR block) why not propose the text of a section on the band's sound. If it's obvious to all that there are more than two voices, and the other voices contribute a great deal to the 'sound', hash out a section about it here. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 16:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Modern Talking is the band, therefore the lede of the article should not include information about other artistes who regularly perform with Modern Talking. Half of the 1980s disco acts owed their success to the presence of the Tower of Power horns, but it would be equally improper to insist that TofP were members of any of those ensembles. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 16:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Discofox is a dance, but also it become a music style in Germany, the music for the dance discofox is sometimes quite different to the music of the style. I think there are a misunderstanding about that. -- Bluesky84 ( talk) 17:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC) MTB
I will let this discussion here for future people that maybe try to make some contributions. The situation is this, due to the polemic that this band got in the last times, since was discovered Dieter Bohlen really didn't sing in Modern Talking, and the real singers (Rolf Köhler, Detlef Wiedeke, Michael Scholz and Birger Corleis), never got the right credits, and licenses, Bohlen promised them. There are some problems with some people that take partiality with a side or other of the story, as a result we have this kind of conflicts. Here in wikipedia seems is impossible to keep a neutral position, and more impossible to keep a real serious neutral biography about this band. There are many excuses, manipulation of the rules, the reliable sources are not taking like important for personal questionable decitions, is really a pity can't exist some fair here. Who can read the history of the editions, can realize, how many times people tried to say the truth, recently I just tried to complete the information, I didn't attack, offend, or say any nosense with my contribution, but the vandalism only come from those that try to hide the truth. So we are notify, this story about Modern Talking is manipulated, and don't give enough serious information. I hope any good and fair solution can come in future. -- Bluesky84 ( talk) 17:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Bluesky, i have earlier the names of the studiomusicans written by Production and sales figures. I have written there role in the band and i have find some relieble sources. By one of the sources we can see and hear Rolf Köhler singing and we hear some demotapes from Dieter himself and we can clearly hearing that the voice of Dieter not similair is to the chorus of Modern Talking. And that is the fact. And there are more sources. I hope that the manipulation of this page is over. 83.83.95.239 ( talk) 19:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I don't know why I can't login me in the english wikipedia, my login belong to a different wikipedia language and maybe are not compatibles. I only wanted to comment, that I am agree, this article is not being serious and had been in this way since long time. Moreover the claims about reliable sources are not clear, what are they really asking to have?, because I find many evidence and the information is also available in the net. Here a link that maybe can help, is a official Fansite of SIB [2] and also in this german site translated in many languages, please read [3]-- 190.234.167.10 ( talk) 22:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for your suggestion about the global login. I had read the new contributions talking about the real choir of Modern Talking, and I find it good, finally!!. Just I want to add this little clarification, is true talkingforever.com started like a fansite (Modern Talking was over when it was released and Bohlen didn't answer the request for make it like official spanish site of Modern Talking), but then this site became a portal that is divided in different sections including official fansites, aprooved by the same artists, this is the case of C.C.Catch and Systems In Blue. So in the site of Systems In Blue, the link is www.talkingforever.com/systemsinblue, is declared like official site to the hispanic people (with an english section for non-spanish speakers fans) and the information comes with the direct order and authorization of this artists. All info there also was previous consulted to the same musicians involved, in this case, even the current backvocal singers of Dieter Bohlen made some contribution. I also have some articles in press and serious magazines in german that if is necessary I will try to scann and translate, there are evidence everywhere, but exist an interest of Dieter Bohlen for hide this facts, he is powerful inside Germany with many influence in music market and is trying to destroy to Systems In Blue and people that show this shameful true about him to the world, please consider that. Wikipedia must to keep a neutral position and don't hide this things in favour of impunity and injustice. -- 190.234.167.10 ( talk) 23:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
All my sources are deleted and this page is blocked! I'm no vandalist, i'm very serious! Many people believe that dieter is the backroundsinger of Modern Talking, because we can seeing Dieter singing next to Thomas Anders. But in fact he don't sing real. He has studiosingers to produced the vocals for Dieter. Dieter can't sing! We can hear it by the strophes of Blue System, he has a very bad voice. I have never hear that voice by Modern Talking! The refrains of Blue System are sung by Rolf Köhler, because it's the same voice as the leadvocal from Systems In Blue. But everybody know's that. But by Modern Talking did dieter the same as by Blue System. The refrains of Modern Talking are also sung by Rolf Köhler and other singers too. Dieter moves his lips without actually singing! Bohlen has always portrayed himself as a singer, but he has never been a singer. This is his business. Why is youtube no reliable source? By the first video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDxvKKouTJs&feature=related) we can hear and seeing Rolf Köhler singing and we see the Modern Talking records of Detlef Wiedeke. It's a fact that Detlef Wiedeke singer is by Modern Talking. By the second video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYmhLFk_9KA&feature=related) we can hear demotapes from bohlen and that's the same voice as the Blue System Strophes, but on the demotapes he sing in Modern Talking style and it sounds not the same as the Modern Talking choir. And here we can more demotapes hearing from Dieter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oE8jH2N2dQ&feature=related. It sounds very bad, it is not similair to the voices from the Modern Talking refrains. It is a shame as we saying that this is the same as the Modern Talking chorus. I know that wikipedia don't accept youtube videos, but this is the only manner we can hear and see the proof about it. An if you very good listening to the voice of Michael Scholz of Systems In Blue: it is the same high-pitched voice from Modern Talking. We can also hear the voice of Rolf Köhler (the voice of Blue System) at the Modern Talking chorus. Listen to the song "Let's Talk About Love". The refrainvoice of that song is similair to the leadvocal of the refrains from Blue System Songs. We can find the proofs at the Modern Talking and Systems In Blue songs there. Maybe it's not professional, but look also to this http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Talking and this http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Talking. Their names are also written on this wikipedia pages. And there are more wikipedia pages were the names from Systems In Blue are written, because it's a fact that they are the chorus of Modern Talking. 83.83.95.239 ( talk) 08:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
The user Harout72 is making strong vandalism to this article too much times, he only keeps what he wants, and report to users that correct the story like vandals, when they are not vandals. Please help to dennounce this user for make him blocked and banned from this article, and recover the deleted parts that he is trying to hide and change in his only favour.-- 190.234.167.10 ( talk) 08:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
So, three separate issues here
that's maybe because I am not english speaker?, I would like to know how to login me with my nick, I guess wikipedia has a database with ips and logins for everyone, but anyway I think this is only a distractor here. I can read the whole discussion, how enough reliable sources were posted and then deleted, you write this guys are not Modern Talking, despite they were the creators of many songs included you're my heart you're my soul-- 190.43.154.26 ( talk) 15:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I think we are more, check in historial, there are other users that were attacked by harout72 before. and why we all say the same things? OMG come on!! because is TRUE!!. why everybody say that earth is not plane???, please same logic!!. Other people tried to add same info but were ignored with false statements about not reliable sources, this article need to be free, we are not vandals, the vandal is only harout72. About the reference to this song, I think wikipedia don't need to tell that, only to include the information was posted before and then deleted, to add the contribution and names of this people is enough-- 190.43.154.26 ( talk) 16:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
No i'm not Bluesky, i has just talked to him. I have no account on the english wikipdia. And i don't like the english wikipedia. I cannot talk fluencly english and i don't understand some things. But i was sad when i read that Dieter bohlen is a singer, that is not true. And the name of the real singers and the other studiomusicans are not written and thats amazing. I have written the dutch Modern Talking page on wikipedia together with other people and everyone knows that Detlef, Rolf and Michael are singers too by Modern Talking and Luis rodriques and ralf stemmann are the arrangers and co-producers and there are more people helping with Modern Talking. And it's very strange that the international (english) wikipedia page about Modern Talking isn't correct. And other people here accept that and that's a big shame. 83.83.95.239 ( talk) 16:08, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
REFERENCE PEOPLE. No reference, no entry. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 16:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, this picture belong to the booklet of Obsession CD of Blue System, look for yourself that there are evidence enough. I think the last version of 83.83 was the most fair and neutral, so would be enough that you can put again this version available for end the polemic, is more than clear the user harout72 is taking this personal, maybe for any special interest, who knows, but he is not being neutral in any sense and is even deleting your contributions. -- MT SIB ( talk) 23:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Dear Elen, of course not, they were not official members of Modern Talking, and the claims here were not to include them like members!, despite they were the 50% of the vocals together with Thomas Anders and even arrangers, (but we are not asking to write that), the claims here is only to include their complete names at least as collaborators and singers of the choir in any part of this not so neutral article, same BMG record company, now Sony admited they were the backvocal singers of this band since the beginning, this is an evident fact, they were working with Dieter Bohlen, even before this band was created and many time then with other proyects, also you can find again the reference in the LP "Let's Talk about Love" of Modern Talking, is written there again thanks to this 4 persons, for their participation in the band. Sure there are more legal documents, where is possible to see more things (maybe can be added fürther information with the time here?), but also consider with less sources, other information is admited to be published in many articles in wikipedia, (even in other wikipedia languages same information about this 4 persons was admited always without problems), so why this special exigency is demanding only here with this particular article?, why would be impossible to complete and add the fair information wich whoever has right in get from an article of wikipedia?, the answer seems was just because here an "special" user pretended to keep a questionable version and blocking who don't think like him!. You can check all articles from the whole wikipedia, be aware not all articles had the same demands for every part were added before. -- MT SIB ( talk) 04:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
If you want to take this allegation about a supposed personal attack, everyone of us can make the same, since first we were treated as vandals by this user and nobody defend us; is already demostrated that our contribution always had reliable sources that were not taken like that for the decition of this user that first decided to mark us like vandals using a threat tone, and didn't accept our participation or any kind of reasonable discussion for change his article version.-- MT SIB ( talk) 11:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Can we DROP THE STICK AND BACK SLOWLY AWAY FROM THE HORSE CARCASS Please. Elen of the Roads ( talk) 00:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I have here other reliable source from Stern. it say: "
Von 1984 bis 2000 arbeitete Köhler für so ziemlich alles, was Dieter Bohlen produzierte: Engelbert, Al Martino, Bonnie Tyler. Sein bedeutendster Einsatz jedoch war es, Teil des Kastraten-Chors von Modern Talking gewesen zu sein; Blue System, Bohlens zweites großes Projekt, prägte er mit rauchigem Gesang. In seinem Studio im niedersächsischen Brake hatte Köhler die Goldenen Schallplatten aufgehängt, die er für seine Mitarbeit an den Erfolgen von Modern Talking und Blue System bekommen hatte. Offiziell, für die Millionen "Bravo"-Leser und Verehrer des Duos Bohlen/Anders, gab es ihn in diesen Bands nie - genau so wenig wie seine Chorkollegen Detlef Wiedeke und Michael Scholz. Vor einigen Jahren, anlässlich des Comebacks von Modern Talking, waren die drei Sänger an die Öffentlichkeit gegangen: Von Bohlen selbst, so erklärten sie, stamme kein einziger Ton auf den Schallplatten - was der bis heute bestreitet. Die Plattenfirma zahlte jedem der drei daraufhin 100.000 Mark, ein Taschengeld, verglichen mit den Einnahmen, die diese ihr beschert hatten."
Translation (sorry mistakes):
"From 1984 to 2000 Köhler worked on quite everything that was produced by Dieter Bohlen: Engelbert, Al Martino, Bonnie Tyler. But his most important employment was to be part of the Eunuch-Choir for Modern Talking; Blue System, Bohlens second big Project was shaped by his husky voice. In his own Studio,which is located in Brake/Lower-Saxony, Köhler had all the gold records, which he has received for his work and success on Modern Talking and Blue System. Officiall, for all the „Bravo“-Readers and Fans of the Bohlen/Anders-Duo, he and his choir-mates Detlef Wiedeke and Michael Scholz were never existing. Some years ago, during the Comeback of Modern Talking, the three singers made it public: they explained that not one single tone on his records was sung by him – which he denies 'til today. The record company paid each of the three 100.000 Marks, just pocket money compared with the incomes the company earned."
-- Nitendra1 ( talk) 09:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
My opinion, the entry is total valid and in this is special case deserves to be exonerated of WP:TLDR for the only purpose of let the things clear, there are more than one reliable source for give to this statements the enough consideration.-- MT SIB ( talk) 11:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, here the article (LOL) [12], but in german, it says Bohlen never sang in Modern Talking, public declaration made by the same ex-producer of Modern Talking, Ralf Stemman. But if you consider this information don't need to be included, in my opinion is not necessary (we can deduce that), because the original claim was only include the names of the real singers and collaborators and if this was done already, finally I can say victory!!. I don't know if any other will claim something else, with me is enough. Peace and Love.-- MT SIB ( talk) 00:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, I think it's a very reliable source. I have seen a better version of this article, but i don't know where. I think we can write the truth about the studiosingers and that Dieter never sing in Modern Talking on the wikipedia page. This source is a good proof for that. And i can also search to other articles and sources on the internet about Dieter and the collaboration of Rolf, Detlef and Michael. But i will first waiting for reactions of the other people before i changed the page. 83.83.95.239 ( talk) 12:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Let's discuss this, rather than throwing around accusations of nonsense. If Aqua and Barbie girl are Eurodance, I don't see that Modern talking falls into that category. If Synthpop is Kraftwerk, I don't see them fitting that one either. I await other views (of which I know there are several) Elen of the Roads ( talk) 22:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
just for comment, Modern Talking music is synthpop, not electronic, not eurodance, not techno, it is also know as Disco-Fox or Dance-Fox inside Germany, a music style that has some variations in other countries in Europe (like Discopolo in Poland and Russiandisco in Russia), also in 80's it was called eurodisco or germandisco.-- MT SIB ( talk) 02:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, there's has been a very long fight about the members of the group. Dieter Bohlen NEVER sang anything on Modern Talking, so why he is listed as he has done choruses. Ok, don't put there Systems in Blue members, but, be realistic, Bohlen never sang. -- MisterWiki talking! :-D - 15:29, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
You almost sound like you have been present at every Modern Talking recording-session. If you have witnessed Bohlen sing during concerts, what makes you so sure that he couldn't do the same at the recording studio? Your statement above sounds rather ludicrous, don't you think?-- Harout72 ( talk) 02:58, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
You are speculating, that's not what we do here at wikipedia. You again sound like you have been working with Bohlen for years, and now you can tell whether it's his voice or not on a specific track. As I mentioned earlier, he may not have produced vocals for every studio track they've ever released, but that doesn't change the fact that Bohlen can and has sung on the choruses of Modern Talking possibly along with other vocalists but he has participated.-- Harout72 ( talk) 16:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. -- MisterWiki talking! :-D - 14:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Please visit Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Modern_Talking and show us your support for a Modern Talking wikiproject. MisterWiki talking! :-D ( SIGN!!!/ REVIEW) - 19:53, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Please note that we are not to fill this section with names of insignificant acts. There maybe lots of unpopular acts out there covering Modern Talking's materials, that certainly does not mean we need to link them to Modern Talking in any way. -- Harout72 ( talk) 02:37, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the sources that the statements are supported by at that page, one could easily tell that there is nothing important about them. Bear in mind that sources at wikipedia are to come from highly regarded establishments and that's not what's being demonstrated there at Talking System.-- Harout72 ( talk) 16:16, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Can I draw everybody's attention to the matter of sources. I can understand that a lot of the contributors who edit the Modern Talking article will not be from english speaking countries, but the preference for the english language Wikipedia is for its sources to be in english so that they can be easily verified. If no english sources can be found, then foreign language sources have to be translated accurately, either in the main text body or as a footnote (if it is a direct quote), or as a footnote or on the talk page (if it is merely citing a source). Please see WP:NONENG for further information. 80.47.106.231 ( talk) 23:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I have corrected the citation to the statement which mentions about 120 million, I was working on three maybe more browsers at the same time yesterday, and accidentally I must have pasted it in a wrong place. Anyways, that's fixed. I can understand how annoying it sometimes can be when a non-English source is used, and it does take extra time when one wishes to verify the given information. I am not sure where in the article we should include footnote-translations for the key statements, I have come across so many articles at wikipedia which use foreign language sources to support statements, but I have not noticed any footnote-translations. Including footnotes within the same paragraph wherein the source is used would not immediately be correct. Would we perhaps need an entirely new section for it? Is there an article where you might have seen this and can point it out for me so I can get an idea? -- Harout72 ( talk) 15:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
(I'm not a english speaker, so it's possible that my english sounds bad, sorry for that)
I think it is very strange that 'Systems in Blue' removed from the 'see also' section because they have producred oncredited vocals. And 'cc catch' are not removed because it is produced by Bohlen. That is no good reason. Systems in blue are the singers of Modern Talking, they are also important to put it there. There names are not present on the albums (instead of Let's talk about love) because marketing reasons. But Modern Talking exist no longer, so i see no reason to removed there names. And Rolf Kohler, Detlef Wiedeke and Michael scholz has also, like thomas anders, golden records of Modern Talking for there collaboration with Modern Talking as singer. There names are credited on the golden records that they have.
But however, credited or not credited, they are the singers of the modern Talking chorusses, that's a fact! And i also understand that there are much people that don't believe that, because there are never presented on concerts and albums etc and Bohlen has never told about it to the media. But the last years there are more people knows that rolf kohler to be the most important singer of the high pitched chorusses. Like here in the netherlands, germany, spain it's almost known about this. And that's the reason that on the other wikipedia pages about modern talking much more info about SIB (with realible sources of course) are written.
So I don't understand why the words 'Systems in Blue' and the names of the members are not much present here on this page. Explain please. 87.212.141.181 ( talk) 20:24, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Modern Talking's earlier recordings 1984-1987 can be viewed as New Wave. Please discuss before making attempts in removing it. Also see Modern Talking's genres at Allmuic.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
You'd be surprised how much I know about music. And yes, lot of MT recordings are simply Europop, but lot of them can also be viewed as New Wave. New Wave genre is not necessarily aggressive, it can also be mellow, yet be called New Wave.-- Harout72 ( talk) 01:10, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Removing chorus from Dieter Bohlen's name from the members-section as user E-Kartoffel in this edit has is incorrect. Note that Thomas Anders has not been officially addressed anywhere on Modern Talking's materials as the lead vocalist, yet he is, in the same vein, regardless that it's not stated anywhere on Modern Talking albums/singles that Bohlen has produced some/all vocals on choruses, he has. Please do not remove without discussing it first.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Seems like we are never going to get out of this stupid problem. These guys did contribute with their vocals, despite not being credited, but that does not mean they were members of the group. Suggest adding, the box with the real, credited members, and an explained section regarding disputes as to whether those people actually were hired to do those vocals or not, and if so, adding a similar box. What do you think? Diego Grez ( talk) 02:45, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
The participation of Rolf Köhler, Michael Scholz, Detlef Wiedeke and Birger Corleis is briefly discussed within the section of Production and Sales. But again, the source provided does mention that they never were credited for their work. As for Discogs.com, it's not a reliable source as it can be edited by anybody, also see WP:RSN. To wrap this up and not make it unnecessarily long, we could perhaps agree on changing Members into Members and Contributers, that, I believe, would be more of a logical title.-- Harout72 ( talk) 17:41, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
The article Thomas Anders v. Dieter Bohlen doesn't appear to be notable on its own. It would be suitable as a portion of this page—perhaps chopped down considerably from its current state, as it may have some WP:BLP issues. (The translation from German is weak, so I can't tell for sure.) Would this be amenable? // ⌘macwhiz ( talk) 02:56, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Knife Party's first EP is entitled, "100% No Modern Talking". Could this be a reference to this group? 7 June 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.182.29.199 ( talk) 23:08, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
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