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I'm going to move this section that User:Agne27 removed arbitrarily and without moving it to the Talk Page to discuss. I believe citing refs. for this section is not hard, just need to find the lyrics and tag as necessary. I will start the work in a few days and move this section back in to the main article body. Payam81 14:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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I was at a dinner party last night, and the pronunciation of Moët came up. A girl at the table announced that she "had looked it up on Wikipedia, but it didn't say anything". As an editor, I was quietly horrified that this was the case, and immediately checked when I got home.
A glance of the history indicates that this topic has been in contention before, so I am hesitant to dive in and reignite old fires. But the incident last night serves to remind that the public ARE relying on us for this sorts of information. If I can help in any way I will be glad to do so, although the only link I could find was the Lucire one. Manning ( talk) 04:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I did a little reading of my own on this because I thought the pronunciation section in here seemed horrible. I've studied French for roughly 5 years now, and when normally pronouncing this word, it would be pronounced "Mow-ay" with a silent "t". However, that tréma (ë) is there for a reason, possibly to designate that this word is foreign to the French language and should not be pronounced in a typical French manner (the tréma is also used to differentiate the vowel from the one preceding, hard to say in this case). I did find a good article stating the history of the company, and it turns out that Claude Moët was indeed French, but his name is Dutch. Whether the tréma is there in the Dutch name is a matter of someone who speaks Dutch, but the article did clear up the proper pronunciation, and it is indeed "Mo-wett" as I thought.
"However, according to any French dictionary it is pronounced without a "t", with the exception of it being following by a vowel. i.e. in Moët et Chandon it is pronounced 'Mo-ett".
This is very true, but not applicable to this situation at all. This is referred to as "liaison" and is a notorious part of the French language that makes it often sound so harmonious. Let's assume for a moment that the tréma isn't there though. The word by itself would be pronounced "Mo-way". With the "et" afterwards, the two together would be pronounced "Mo-way-tay" whereas "et" by itself is pronounced "ay". Liaison is the act of pronouncing the last consonant of a word in front of the vowel of the next word. That tréma is what changes the pronunciation, not the fact there is a vowel in the next word. You have to look at it as moving the "t" onto the beginning of "et", not pronouncing the "t" on the end of "Moët". Crmadsen ( talk) 17:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Apparently the name Moet was given to a Dutch soldier for helping defend the crowning of Charles the VII, so it would seem there is more to discover about where the king got that name from. 124.149.177.209 ( talk) 23:11, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I've got two good sources for the winery founder having a Dutch or Dutch-German name, which is pronounced -et rather than -ay, so will clear up the passage on punctuation. Jas mc 2017 ( talk) 11:15, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I removed the following regarding the "Be Fabulous" limited release: This bottle has been sold in auctions for more than $2000 due to its rarity and limited quantity.
I did a web search and promptly found a bottle for under USD$100, and no mention of any such auction results. Manning ( talk) 22:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
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I noticed that this article erroneously claims that Benedictine monk Dom Perignon invented the double fermentation method for making champaign. See Dom_Perignon_(person). Please rectify. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.100.197 ( talk) 06:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Some of the content in the Dom Perignon section comes from the merged article Dom Pérignon (wine). That article has sat dormant for quite some time and doesn't look to have any growth potential beyond the minuscule amount already written. As a wine brand, it is in the readers best interest to present this material within the greater context of the parent winery article. Agne Cheese/ Wine 18:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Lots of exciting changes in the brand. This article needs updating. http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-10/moet-chandon-champagne-is-poured-on-the-rocks.html
Why does Wikipedia make me have to do a captcha? I am only providing a source that writers can use to add good info to your articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Champagne is from Champagne ( talk • contribs) 14:33, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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The section on pronunciation is wrong. The T is sounded whether followed by a vowel or not. The reason is that Moet is a proper name and as such does not follow the general rules for french pronunciation.
This fact is clearly stated in the references at the bottom of the article http://www.lucire.com/2002/0530ll0.shtml QUOTE However, in this case the general rule does not apply says Myreille Pawliez, senior lecturer in French at Victoria University. ‘Proper nouns in French, which include names of people and places, don’t follow the general rule and because there are so many exceptions it can get confusing,’ she says. ‘In this case it is two proper names put together (Moët et Chandon) and you just have to know how to pronounce them.’ END QUOTE |
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I'm going to move this section that User:Agne27 removed arbitrarily and without moving it to the Talk Page to discuss. I believe citing refs. for this section is not hard, just need to find the lyrics and tag as necessary. I will start the work in a few days and move this section back in to the main article body. Payam81 14:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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I was at a dinner party last night, and the pronunciation of Moët came up. A girl at the table announced that she "had looked it up on Wikipedia, but it didn't say anything". As an editor, I was quietly horrified that this was the case, and immediately checked when I got home.
A glance of the history indicates that this topic has been in contention before, so I am hesitant to dive in and reignite old fires. But the incident last night serves to remind that the public ARE relying on us for this sorts of information. If I can help in any way I will be glad to do so, although the only link I could find was the Lucire one. Manning ( talk) 04:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I did a little reading of my own on this because I thought the pronunciation section in here seemed horrible. I've studied French for roughly 5 years now, and when normally pronouncing this word, it would be pronounced "Mow-ay" with a silent "t". However, that tréma (ë) is there for a reason, possibly to designate that this word is foreign to the French language and should not be pronounced in a typical French manner (the tréma is also used to differentiate the vowel from the one preceding, hard to say in this case). I did find a good article stating the history of the company, and it turns out that Claude Moët was indeed French, but his name is Dutch. Whether the tréma is there in the Dutch name is a matter of someone who speaks Dutch, but the article did clear up the proper pronunciation, and it is indeed "Mo-wett" as I thought.
"However, according to any French dictionary it is pronounced without a "t", with the exception of it being following by a vowel. i.e. in Moët et Chandon it is pronounced 'Mo-ett".
This is very true, but not applicable to this situation at all. This is referred to as "liaison" and is a notorious part of the French language that makes it often sound so harmonious. Let's assume for a moment that the tréma isn't there though. The word by itself would be pronounced "Mo-way". With the "et" afterwards, the two together would be pronounced "Mo-way-tay" whereas "et" by itself is pronounced "ay". Liaison is the act of pronouncing the last consonant of a word in front of the vowel of the next word. That tréma is what changes the pronunciation, not the fact there is a vowel in the next word. You have to look at it as moving the "t" onto the beginning of "et", not pronouncing the "t" on the end of "Moët". Crmadsen ( talk) 17:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Apparently the name Moet was given to a Dutch soldier for helping defend the crowning of Charles the VII, so it would seem there is more to discover about where the king got that name from. 124.149.177.209 ( talk) 23:11, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I've got two good sources for the winery founder having a Dutch or Dutch-German name, which is pronounced -et rather than -ay, so will clear up the passage on punctuation. Jas mc 2017 ( talk) 11:15, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I removed the following regarding the "Be Fabulous" limited release: This bottle has been sold in auctions for more than $2000 due to its rarity and limited quantity.
I did a web search and promptly found a bottle for under USD$100, and no mention of any such auction results. Manning ( talk) 22:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
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I noticed that this article erroneously claims that Benedictine monk Dom Perignon invented the double fermentation method for making champaign. See Dom_Perignon_(person). Please rectify. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.100.197 ( talk) 06:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Some of the content in the Dom Perignon section comes from the merged article Dom Pérignon (wine). That article has sat dormant for quite some time and doesn't look to have any growth potential beyond the minuscule amount already written. As a wine brand, it is in the readers best interest to present this material within the greater context of the parent winery article. Agne Cheese/ Wine 18:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Lots of exciting changes in the brand. This article needs updating. http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-10/moet-chandon-champagne-is-poured-on-the-rocks.html
Why does Wikipedia make me have to do a captcha? I am only providing a source that writers can use to add good info to your articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Champagne is from Champagne ( talk • contribs) 14:33, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Moët & Chandon/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
The section on pronunciation is wrong. The T is sounded whether followed by a vowel or not. The reason is that Moet is a proper name and as such does not follow the general rules for french pronunciation.
This fact is clearly stated in the references at the bottom of the article http://www.lucire.com/2002/0530ll0.shtml QUOTE However, in this case the general rule does not apply says Myreille Pawliez, senior lecturer in French at Victoria University. ‘Proper nouns in French, which include names of people and places, don’t follow the general rule and because there are so many exceptions it can get confusing,’ she says. ‘In this case it is two proper names put together (Moët et Chandon) and you just have to know how to pronounce them.’ END QUOTE |
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