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Urban Heat islands would seem to help dispel a tornado —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.81.82 ( talk • contribs)
There has never been an F5 in Canada, according to Environment Canada, Atlas of Canada, and the University of Nebraska. I was unable to find any sources supporting the claim, so I have removed the section. - Running On Brains 03:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, McGill University seems to think otherwise. They've classified this tornado as an F5. Powerpoint presentation, on Slide/Page 55. RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 22:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I have never heard this myth before. Can anyone point me to a source? - Running On Brains 18:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
... May need to be removed. Underneath the first myth, the words 'special footage' are linked to the Andover Outbreak, but there's another link to that same article on that same line. Should that link be removed? Technical Wiz 23:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Have there been any confirmed tornadoes ever in Antarctica to add to the extreme latitude myth? What about in Siberia or Scandinavia?
Also the Sudbury tornado shouldn't be there; it is at about 46°30' latitude, which is about the same as southern North Dakota or central Minnesota, and certainly not far enough north to be out of tornado country (there could easily have been many strong tornadoes in the boreal forest that went unnoticed). CrazyC83 02:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone find a link to Ted Fujita's vortex-chamber studies that indicated that if the surface is studded with tall, thin, rectangular boxes, it impeded vortex formation, but adding an insert with such boxes wouldn't disrupt an established vortex? (That was the basis of my earlier statement in the myths section that an urbanized area would be less likely to see a new tornado form within it, but wouldn't disrupt one that entered it from outside the area--but I've never been able to find that paper online anywhere.) Rdfox 76 15:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I regret that I have just needed to revert a large portion of the existing article back to a much earlier version. All work since that time contained large amounts of text copied directly from [1]. That page is expressly "Copyright © 1999-2007 Alamance County Government. All rights reserved." I hope the non-copyright bits and pieces that were incidentally deleted in that process con be re-inserted if appropriate. Please do not recreate any of the copyright text. Tim Ross· talk 13:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
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This claim that a pressure differential of 1.4 psi is insufficient to cause damage is utterly false. As you can see from this handbook on gas explosions, this level of overpressure is similar to that caused by a small domestic gas explosion, and is sufficient to totally demolish light structures in considerably less than 3 seconds (typically in less than 200 milliseconds, in fact.) In the test data from "Harris 1983", it is greater than the failure pressure of almost all the tested building structures, including lighter brick walls but excluding heavier brick walls. In the table of typical effects on industrial structures, it may be sufficient to cause the roof to collapse even on all-ferroconcrete industrial structures.
And observe the impulse chart: a slower-building pressure wave (e.g. tornado?) is actually slightly more destructive than a brief pulse (e.g. gas explosion) with the same peak pressure -- although it's the peak pressure that really matters.
This should not be too surprising. 1.4 psi might not sound like much but bear in mind that that is 1,800 pounds per square yard. An exterior wall 8 feet high by 20 feet long would feel a total force of over 32,000 pounds.
In short, if it is actually true that tornadoes generate pressure differentials of 1/10 atmosphere between building interiors and exteriors, then quite apart from damage by dynamic wind forces and object impact, such a pressure differential alone could be expected to totally destroy most dwellings. -- 202.63.39.58 ( talk) 16:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
You may be interested to know in our area, leaving windows open has nothing to do with pressure equalization. In our area it is advised to open windows to prevent breakage. Modern windows are quite strong but older single pane windows are susceptible to breakage in high winds and the debris that creates. I understand that this section relates to "explosion" of homes due to pressure differences, but it also suggests that the reason to open windows during a strong storm/tornado is only for pressure regulation, which isn't the case. RCB: 24, October 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.39.74 ( talk) 17:46, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
The "A Recommendation for an Enhanced Fujita Scale (EF-Scale)" dead PDF link could be restored through http://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/ef-ttu.pdf, as revealed by a such-titled Google search. Twipley ( talk) 01:08, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
While I understand that some people may equate myth with mythology, this is not the only usage of the word. While misconception may be a more desirable word for the title of this page, I am inclined to return to the title Tornado myths, if only for the fact that the VAST majority of sources use the terminology "myth". I'm not entirely stuck in this position though, if others disagree. - RunningOnBrains( talk) 21:56, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
This seems to overlap with Tornado preparedness, which covers safety generally. Maybe this article should be merged into that and Tornado? -- Beland ( talk) 04:24, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
New Research from Purdue disputes the "tornadoes don't hit trailer parks" myth and it turns out there might actually be a link. This is based on transition zones as being the likely location of trailer parks. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/04/23/study-might-explain-why-trailer-parks-seem-to-be-tornado-magnets/
I included a preliminary link, it might need to be considered for a main page edit at some point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.26.252.51 ( talk) 19:37, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Why do we say "skip" and not skip? Wouldn't it be easier to explain the reason, then just carry on normally, without making "readers" feel like they're "missing out" on a "little joke"? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:14, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
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first of all the elie F5 tornado should be added to the movement direction part , it moved slowly and looped 2 to 3 times and sometimes stood still was mostly moving south east as well.
and a other thing is the visible part of the funnel isn't the edge of the tornado's wind field.
and about myths of where a tornado can form under the storm , the common area is under the wall cloud that is under the updraft of a supercell , but what about the anticyclonic tornadoes and landspout/waterspout tornadoes? and the strange anticyclonic tornado that formed in the forward flank downdraft of a supercell on may 9 2016 for more then 35 minutes when the main updraft was having a EF3+ wedge tornado. https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/an-oklahoma-tornado-rewrites-the-rule-book.html
lets not forget storms like the pilger event having multiple wedge tornadoes at the same time. Joshoctober16 ( talk) 15:11, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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Urban Heat islands would seem to help dispel a tornado —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.81.82 ( talk • contribs)
There has never been an F5 in Canada, according to Environment Canada, Atlas of Canada, and the University of Nebraska. I was unable to find any sources supporting the claim, so I have removed the section. - Running On Brains 03:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, McGill University seems to think otherwise. They've classified this tornado as an F5. Powerpoint presentation, on Slide/Page 55. RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 22:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I have never heard this myth before. Can anyone point me to a source? - Running On Brains 18:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
... May need to be removed. Underneath the first myth, the words 'special footage' are linked to the Andover Outbreak, but there's another link to that same article on that same line. Should that link be removed? Technical Wiz 23:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Have there been any confirmed tornadoes ever in Antarctica to add to the extreme latitude myth? What about in Siberia or Scandinavia?
Also the Sudbury tornado shouldn't be there; it is at about 46°30' latitude, which is about the same as southern North Dakota or central Minnesota, and certainly not far enough north to be out of tornado country (there could easily have been many strong tornadoes in the boreal forest that went unnoticed). CrazyC83 02:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone find a link to Ted Fujita's vortex-chamber studies that indicated that if the surface is studded with tall, thin, rectangular boxes, it impeded vortex formation, but adding an insert with such boxes wouldn't disrupt an established vortex? (That was the basis of my earlier statement in the myths section that an urbanized area would be less likely to see a new tornado form within it, but wouldn't disrupt one that entered it from outside the area--but I've never been able to find that paper online anywhere.) Rdfox 76 15:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I regret that I have just needed to revert a large portion of the existing article back to a much earlier version. All work since that time contained large amounts of text copied directly from [1]. That page is expressly "Copyright © 1999-2007 Alamance County Government. All rights reserved." I hope the non-copyright bits and pieces that were incidentally deleted in that process con be re-inserted if appropriate. Please do not recreate any of the copyright text. Tim Ross· talk 13:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
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This claim that a pressure differential of 1.4 psi is insufficient to cause damage is utterly false. As you can see from this handbook on gas explosions, this level of overpressure is similar to that caused by a small domestic gas explosion, and is sufficient to totally demolish light structures in considerably less than 3 seconds (typically in less than 200 milliseconds, in fact.) In the test data from "Harris 1983", it is greater than the failure pressure of almost all the tested building structures, including lighter brick walls but excluding heavier brick walls. In the table of typical effects on industrial structures, it may be sufficient to cause the roof to collapse even on all-ferroconcrete industrial structures.
And observe the impulse chart: a slower-building pressure wave (e.g. tornado?) is actually slightly more destructive than a brief pulse (e.g. gas explosion) with the same peak pressure -- although it's the peak pressure that really matters.
This should not be too surprising. 1.4 psi might not sound like much but bear in mind that that is 1,800 pounds per square yard. An exterior wall 8 feet high by 20 feet long would feel a total force of over 32,000 pounds.
In short, if it is actually true that tornadoes generate pressure differentials of 1/10 atmosphere between building interiors and exteriors, then quite apart from damage by dynamic wind forces and object impact, such a pressure differential alone could be expected to totally destroy most dwellings. -- 202.63.39.58 ( talk) 16:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
You may be interested to know in our area, leaving windows open has nothing to do with pressure equalization. In our area it is advised to open windows to prevent breakage. Modern windows are quite strong but older single pane windows are susceptible to breakage in high winds and the debris that creates. I understand that this section relates to "explosion" of homes due to pressure differences, but it also suggests that the reason to open windows during a strong storm/tornado is only for pressure regulation, which isn't the case. RCB: 24, October 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.39.74 ( talk) 17:46, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
The "A Recommendation for an Enhanced Fujita Scale (EF-Scale)" dead PDF link could be restored through http://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/ef-ttu.pdf, as revealed by a such-titled Google search. Twipley ( talk) 01:08, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
While I understand that some people may equate myth with mythology, this is not the only usage of the word. While misconception may be a more desirable word for the title of this page, I am inclined to return to the title Tornado myths, if only for the fact that the VAST majority of sources use the terminology "myth". I'm not entirely stuck in this position though, if others disagree. - RunningOnBrains( talk) 21:56, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
This seems to overlap with Tornado preparedness, which covers safety generally. Maybe this article should be merged into that and Tornado? -- Beland ( talk) 04:24, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
New Research from Purdue disputes the "tornadoes don't hit trailer parks" myth and it turns out there might actually be a link. This is based on transition zones as being the likely location of trailer parks. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/04/23/study-might-explain-why-trailer-parks-seem-to-be-tornado-magnets/
I included a preliminary link, it might need to be considered for a main page edit at some point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.26.252.51 ( talk) 19:37, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Why do we say "skip" and not skip? Wouldn't it be easier to explain the reason, then just carry on normally, without making "readers" feel like they're "missing out" on a "little joke"? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:14, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
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first of all the elie F5 tornado should be added to the movement direction part , it moved slowly and looped 2 to 3 times and sometimes stood still was mostly moving south east as well.
and a other thing is the visible part of the funnel isn't the edge of the tornado's wind field.
and about myths of where a tornado can form under the storm , the common area is under the wall cloud that is under the updraft of a supercell , but what about the anticyclonic tornadoes and landspout/waterspout tornadoes? and the strange anticyclonic tornado that formed in the forward flank downdraft of a supercell on may 9 2016 for more then 35 minutes when the main updraft was having a EF3+ wedge tornado. https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/an-oklahoma-tornado-rewrites-the-rule-book.html
lets not forget storms like the pilger event having multiple wedge tornadoes at the same time. Joshoctober16 ( talk) 15:11, 12 February 2019 (UTC)