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Currently lead section states - "..only great apes (including humans), a single Asiatic elephant, dolphins, orcas and the Eurasian magpie have passed the MSR test." This sounds as though its an exhaustive list. But clearly, as the rest of the page itself documents, there are at least a few other animals hat passed MSR - like magpies and ants. Should this part be updated or rephrased to indicate that its not a hard list? Chaos1618 ( talk) 12:45, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Magpies have also passed the test Myth420 ( talk) 12:40, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
and for fish : Manta rays : [1] - Rod57 ( talk) 14:19, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Surely these videos of cats reacting to their owners when they apply a cat face filter shows that the cat is aware its looking at a reflection rather than just some random video of another cat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnT9gPsg9qk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okswxxX_6QU Yaguchi2000 ( talk) 02:55, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
If you have edits to proposed, please start by providing WP:RS. Where is no consensus in the scientific community, Wikipedia cannot take sides for or against the validity of the mirror test. Rolf H Nelson ( talk) 02:26, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
I recommend the article Do dogs have self awareness, where I found this quote:
"The behavior of the dogs in both experiments supports the idea that dogs can recognize their own odor as being from “themselves.” Dogs may not recognize themselves visually in a mirror, but by changing the self-recognition test to a sense that dogs rely on more strongly, their sense of smell, it looks like they pass the mirror test after all. Whether this means that they truly have self-awareness is still debatable, but by asking the question in a species-appropriate way, scientists can gain greater insight into the minds of our canine companions "
Maybe could be added...
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01:19, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
Saint Bernard Dog passed blink test, a form of mirror test where it blinks after seeing finger approaching toward his eye from an angle he can see that finger only in the mirror. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwHcyVQsM9Y BiccFloppa ( talk) 04:13, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Currently the article is about the vision based mirror test only, having alternatives like the odor-based version that dogs can pass under the criticism. Any objections to including Odor and chemical based "mirror" tests as a mirror test, remove the odor based mirror from the critisism section, and specify in the passed failed lists which version (odor/vision/chemical) was done? Sklabb ( talk) 21:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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Currently lead section states - "..only great apes (including humans), a single Asiatic elephant, dolphins, orcas and the Eurasian magpie have passed the MSR test." This sounds as though its an exhaustive list. But clearly, as the rest of the page itself documents, there are at least a few other animals hat passed MSR - like magpies and ants. Should this part be updated or rephrased to indicate that its not a hard list? Chaos1618 ( talk) 12:45, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Magpies have also passed the test Myth420 ( talk) 12:40, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
and for fish : Manta rays : [1] - Rod57 ( talk) 14:19, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Surely these videos of cats reacting to their owners when they apply a cat face filter shows that the cat is aware its looking at a reflection rather than just some random video of another cat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnT9gPsg9qk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okswxxX_6QU Yaguchi2000 ( talk) 02:55, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
If you have edits to proposed, please start by providing WP:RS. Where is no consensus in the scientific community, Wikipedia cannot take sides for or against the validity of the mirror test. Rolf H Nelson ( talk) 02:26, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
I recommend the article Do dogs have self awareness, where I found this quote:
"The behavior of the dogs in both experiments supports the idea that dogs can recognize their own odor as being from “themselves.” Dogs may not recognize themselves visually in a mirror, but by changing the self-recognition test to a sense that dogs rely on more strongly, their sense of smell, it looks like they pass the mirror test after all. Whether this means that they truly have self-awareness is still debatable, but by asking the question in a species-appropriate way, scientists can gain greater insight into the minds of our canine companions "
Maybe could be added...
Mats33 (
talk)
01:19, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
Saint Bernard Dog passed blink test, a form of mirror test where it blinks after seeing finger approaching toward his eye from an angle he can see that finger only in the mirror. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwHcyVQsM9Y BiccFloppa ( talk) 04:13, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Currently the article is about the vision based mirror test only, having alternatives like the odor-based version that dogs can pass under the criticism. Any objections to including Odor and chemical based "mirror" tests as a mirror test, remove the odor based mirror from the critisism section, and specify in the passed failed lists which version (odor/vision/chemical) was done? Sklabb ( talk) 21:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)