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Any editor can edit this list and this article! The following can be done now to prepare for WP:FAR. - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Two sections redone recently:
Geography and climate
Demographics
Culture: Theater and performing arts
Overall use most recent source per SandyGeorgia. Remove old rankings. (Started to use 2010 as a cutoff where possible.) Done - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:02, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Good suggestions from an IP in 2017
Citizens had a unique and powerful influence in neighborhood government. Neighborhoods coordinated activities under the Neighborhood Revitalization Program (NRP), scheduled to end in 2009, [1] however NRP funds were dispersed to neighborhoods in 2014. [2]
References
I'm having a heck of time with the population. Sources are easy to find but most are at the wrong geographical level (the state or the metropolitan area). - SusanLesch ( talk) 20:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
I will start a section here and add to it as I have time, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
That's a start ... there is much more ... I will continue to peek in occasionally, but please ping me should I get busy and forget. Good luck here! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
You can get some ideas for fixing image layout and sandwiching problems by looking at what I did at Mayfly and Marilyn Monroe; hope this helps! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:53, 4 December 2020 (UTC) Done - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:04, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
In progress:
Questions:
- SusanLesch ( talk) 18:24, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Bytes | Date | |
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FA | 32 kB | June 2007 |
Before | 59 kB | November 2019 |
After | 45 kB | January 2021 |
SusanLesch my apologies for the delay; such is the world of Wikipedia, where there are never enough hours in the day. I will start a fresh look through now. My usual approach is to start over at the top rather than trying to review my previous commentary, so please pardon if I am repetitively repetitive! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
This is not comprehensive, as I don't have time to review indepth today, but it gives some things to start on. Nikkimaria may have other suggestions, along with idea of how to better position Health, which is now oddly grouped with Utilities. Fine work so far ! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Nikkimaria, it is not my desire to argue with you but this is inexplicable. Why do you narrowly object to the word funk? Why not object to folk? Do you have some special knowledge or background in this subject of funk music? There is plenty to support that sentence which an IP added. For "funk" here's one downloadable source: [1] Or maybe you can get a preview of, for example, page 143 in this book that we have used to build this article. [2] I have to be careful because I know approximately how much I don't know about music. If you are still not satisfied I am going to have to ask an outside expert, a professional music writer, for advice. - SusanLesch ( talk) 21:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
References
Residents had divergent ideas on names for their community: ideas floated and rejected in the 1850s were All Saints, Lowell, Addiesville or Adasville, Winona, Brooklyn, and Albion. The city's first schoolmaster, Charles Hoag was searching for indigenous syllables, when he stumbled on "Indianapolis". In 1852, he proposed "Minnehapolis," with a silent h, combining the Dakota word for "waterfall", Mníȟaȟa,[13] and the Greek word for "city", polis. Newspaperman George Bowman and Daniel Payne dropped the h, leaving out the hah, to create Minneapolis, meaning 'city of the falls'.What's left should go into History of Minneapolis. - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:33, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Residents had divergent ideas on names for their community: ideas floated and rejected in the 1850s were All Saints, Lowell, Addiesville or Adasville, Winona, Brooklyn, and Albion. In 1852 the city's first schoolmaster, Charles Hoag, proposed "Minnehapolis," with a silent h, combining the Dakota word for "waterfall", Mníȟaȟa,[13] and the Greek word for "city", polis. Newspaperman George Bowman and Daniel Payne dropped the h, leaving out the hah, to create Minneapolis, meaning 'city of the falls'.Nikkimaria ( talk) 21:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Residents had divergent ideas on names for their community. In 1852 the city's first schoolmaster, Charles Hoag, proposed "Minnehapolis," with a silent h, combining the Dakota word for "waterfall", Mníȟaȟa,[13] and the Greek word for "city", polis.- SusanLesch ( talk) 14:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Nikkimaria, thank you for your focus on content. I'll do what I can. - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:45, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
@ SandyGeorgia: you're late. I'll do what I can. I told you in November that my deadline is tomorrow, January 15. - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:50, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Revisiting per request, sorry again for the delay, SusanLesch; there are 4,000 FAs needing review, and we are less than two dozen editors trying to do it.
This very old FA has been considerably rewritten, is quite improved since work started in November, but still has some rough spots. I suggest the best route forward in such cases is to submit the article for renewed vetting at WP:FAR. That will bring more independent eyes to the article, more people to work on the article, and the renewal of the star will have been completely vetted. Because I know you are still in school and very busy, there is no hurry to do this. But I believe the article still needs some elbow grease. Here are just (very brief) examples:
In 2019, those counties are among sixteen making up the Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington MN–WI metropolitan area of 3.6 million, and twenty-two making up the combined statistical area of 4.0 million.
Overall, I suggest this article will benefit from renewed vetting at FAR, but believe that can wait until you have time to deal with it; I don't believe the article is in such shape that it is in danger of someone else submitting a precipitous FAR. Best regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:36, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Greetings,
Minnemeeples. What are you talking about in your last edit summary? →Utilities: Removed blatant promotional content that relied exclusively on defunct primary sources by SMS Holdings Corporation that were hidden within an Easter Eggs for "Block by Block".
These ambassadors are important people. They work downtown every day rain or shine, snow or ice. Why would you want to remove unarmed peacekeepers? That's not their primary role but if I was in trouble downtown they're the first person I would ask for help. Why not update the sources, which, by the way, were not "exclusively" from SMS? Also, it's not an
WP:EASTEREGG to link to a parent company that lists Block by Block, when Wikipedia does not have the resources to have a separate article for Block by Block.-
SusanLesch (
talk)
16:07, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the conversation and giving me a chance to explain further. Edit summaries are a lousy way to communicate a thought! :) I agree that the work of the people in the role of a downtown ambassador is important. In my opinion, the problem though is the sourcing of a commercial enterprise and the manner in which the information is presented. SMS Holdings Corporation is a private company and Block by Block is one of its many commercial enterprises. The ambassadors are employees of the company. I am not sure why the Minneapolis article needs to give such a prominent shout out to the out-of-state company that the Downtown Improvement District contracts with for operation of the ambassador program (e.g., "They are employees of Block by Block, a company in Nashville, Tennessee that serves forty-six US cities."). Also, the prior content used as sources the Block by Block website, which is commercial/promotional, and is used to recruit job applicants. The article also used as a source the Mpls Downtown Improvement District website, which is arguably promotional in nature, but a primary source at best. If the ambassador program is worthy of note in the Minneapolis article, a better secondary source should describe it and the work of the people and its relevance to the city. It's not adequate to cite the organization contracting for the work and the private company doing it as valid sources. Whether intended or not, it comes across as promotion of the two, especially as volunteer-led efforts to improve the city get no mention at all. I hope that explanation makes more sense. Minnemeeples ( talk) 17:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Another article states the Somali demographic in the city is capped at 80,000, but this article says that there are about 120,000. Could it be that it is instead referencing the total Muslim community within the city limits? 72.174.71.134 ( talk) 15:29, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Greetings, CTF83!. Hennepin County Library tried but couldn't answer this question, and neither could the Wilder Foundation (MN Compass). Susan Brower, the demographer for the State of Minnesota, kindly replied. She confirms that the US Census does not collect this data. Brower sent what they have which is US Census estimates of same sex spouses and partners who live in the same household. Our article has been corrected to cite only Bring Me The News and Gallup. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:43, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
I asked for some help and didn't get it. I added a few sentences to the lead explaining how Mapping Prejudice has shown us that whites asserted control of the city's land. Next apparently I will have to consult with outside experts. - SusanLesch ( talk) 13:55, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
The History subsection named "social tensions" seems to cover all of Minneapolis history from 1880ish to today. Reading through it, I do not believe it says one positive or even neutral thing about the city.
Of course, I believe that this page should make extensive and thorough reference to Minneapolis's history of racial/social tensions, but it feels inappropriate for it to be the only lens through which the article evaluates the city's history from 1880 to today.
Does anyone have thoughts on how to add to/reform the History section of the article to more fully discuss the city's history in the 20th and 21st centuries?
In my opinion, I would not be opposed to leaving the section on social tensions largely as is, but there needs to be an additional section to cover the city's history other than social conflicts. SpeedMcCool ( talk) 04:06, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
The section Culture > Racial conflict had four sources, all from 2020 thanks very much to User:JadeMont6082. I ordered Tom Weber's book that will be here soon. Of the other three, I very much liked Bloomberg CityLab and pulled out two attributable ideas, one each from Dr. Green and Dr. Delegard. Does anyone have other ideas? Either for this section, or for the brief mention of racial covenants, anti-Semitism, Plymouth Avenue in 1966–1967, and George Floyd under HIstory > Social tensions, or under Government > Police. - SusanLesch ( talk) 04:54, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Welcome @ SpeedMcCool: Your edit summary reads:
"While I have no concerns with the content of this edit, I am puzzled by its inclusion in the head of the article. Are not all American cities struggling with social racism? Is the structural racism inMinneapolis so unique as to warrant a lengthy paragraph in the lead section? Perhaps this extended blurb belongs in a new category of the article."
Yes, Minneapolis is at the forefront of structural racism. Read what
Rjensen
wrote above. Just because you happen to be puzzled means we wiped that history out of the lead. We've been asked to expand the lead by
SandyGeorgia who
wrote above: "The lead is short (not a thorough summary) and could benefit from a copyedit. It emphasizes cultural aspects, while leaving out some others." (--SandyGeorgia, 29 March)
. I am happy to work with you to compromise on a smaller paragraph. Thanks. -
SusanLesch (
talk)
16:54, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
@
Rjensen: you changed:
The US reneged on the treaties during the Civil War, resulting in hunger, war, internment, and exile of the Dakota from Minnesota.
to
The Dakota were removed after massacring settlers in the Dakota War of 1862.
We had two RFCs in the past year surrounding Dakota history. I invited your input but you didn't write anything. First, the war didn't take place in Minneapolis. Second, you've written from a strange point of view. Do you mind my revert to the previous version? -
SusanLesch (
talk)
15:34, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
miscreantson p. 129. [2] Based on the sources used in this article, I still disagree with your point of view, but I was able to order Dr. Anderson's book from Birchbark Books so maybe you'll give me a few months.
All treaties were abrogated. all annuities canceled, the funds to be used for reparations to white victims of the late war.[3] She would seem to diverge from your estimation right there. Elsewhere, on p. 139, she has a dim view of trading debt.
This helps explain the pain and trauma caused later, when European Americans took the land...[4] Weber, who I am reading now, makes a sad point that the Dakota were held in a Fort Snelling concentration camp within view of Bdote, their most sacred spot on earth. I don't think we ought to skip over that camp.
...with congressional abrogation of the Dakota treaties and the abolition of the Minnesota River reservations, they lost the last of their homeland.[2]
...overlooked the causes of the Indian discontent, gradually accepting that
the Indians—even though some of them were the aggressors—were driven to war.[2]
References
@ Rjensen: Also here is former governor Mark Dayton's statement of 2012 (seven years before this book was published) that repudiated Alexander Ramsey's position. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:18, 6 May 2021 (UTC) P.S. Here also is the Pioneer Press on renaming Henry Sibley High School. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:43, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Welcome @ SpeedMcCool: Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline tells us we have 10 paragraphs to cover the city's history. Your moved us to 14. Would you mind please restoring the Dakota history section to a single paragraph?
Also would you please restore the phrase "in a succession of treaties negotiated by corrupt officials."? It took many months of Wiki-negotiations just to write that sentence. The source is considered the best we have. Anderson uses the word "thieves" on page x. (Google Books might or might not show you a citation here.) Thanks. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:51, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi. We have a request to clean up old links to the Internet Archive per WP:LINKROT. Your help would be great. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:34, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Ever since this page has started being redesigned, I guess because of some featured article review, it has BY FAR the smallest lead section of any major American city's Wikipedia article. Look at New York City, Chicago, Cleveland, Nashville. Even Worcester, Massachusetts has a larger one now. Why??? Is this somehow considered ideal? The article now looks woefully sparse compared to basically any other American city Wikipedia article, and it makes the edit about George Floyd (which seems to me to be highlighted only as a result of recency bias) stick out like a sore thumb. Please, can someone explain the decisions to make the article look the way it does now? 67.220.6.236 ( talk) 03:06, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Should the comments on George Floyd be in its own section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anastacio21 ( talk • contribs) 19:56, 21 April 2021 (UTC) Anastacio21 ( talk) 20:06, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
We should not have George Floyd on the top of the page. It does not define the city the same way 9/11 doesn’t define New York City so much so that it’s on the top of the page Themightytouch ( talk) 22:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians. There has been consensus between some editors about editing the introduction to this article. The slight addition would read as follows:
Minneapolis (/ˌmɪniˈæpəlɪs/ (About this soundlisten)) is the most populous city in the U.S. state of Minnesota and the seat of Hennepin County.[6] Minneapolis is located around Saint Anthony Falls on the Mississippi River. The city, once dubbed the "flour milling capital of the world", was the industrial center of the Upper Midwest from the 1880s until about the 1930s.[7] Despite a significant shift away from industrial activity, Minneapolis still remains Minnesota’s major economic and cultural center. The city has one of the nation's best park systems,[8] with thirteen lakes, wetlands, woodlands, creeks and waterfalls, many connected by parkways in the Grand Rounds National Scenic Byway.
It has been sourced and approved by several other editors, but to come to a larger consensus please state any changes to the following statement. There has also been a strong consensus in the past about expanding the introduction and this is proposal to do so.
Thank you ~~Gooob
Hello user: SusanLesch! Any changes you have? I have talked with other editors to write this. Trying to get consensus here! ~~ Gooob ( talk) 15:39, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback. Can we move the milling sentence (that is already written) to the top. Seems like a major part of Minneapolis. Trying to come to a comprise here. I appreciate your help making productive edits. Thank you ~~ Gooob ( talk) 16:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Hey, I usually edit political articles but got a notification about this and read through this convo and the editor’s edits and it seems like most of that editor’s edits look like undue weight to me so I would not add what they wrote at all. but I feel like there are two things they mentioned that could be worth to add based on reading this convo and edits so I added them to the article. I feel like this is a done convo.
I have left a note on the editor’s talk page to tell him about his unconstructive edits. ~~ V3393s ( talk) 17:10, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Greetings. We have three new editors with a sudden interest in Minneapolis: User:JesseeV3, User:Gooob, User:Marshens. Frankly, this city has been through enough already. None of these editors even tried to reach consensus here on the talk page to make their changes. Inaccurate rewording of this long-standing article will be reverted. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Hello user:SusanLesch! I agree with your statements. I can not speak for the other editors you mentioned, but I have a place in the talk page consensus about an edit I have been think of! Please add changes if you have some! Thank you! ~~Gooob Gooob ( talk) 15:30, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
I just make an edit and comment on a talk page discussion, gave a disruptive user a warning, because I have this page starred on my watchlist. Edit has been reversed. No need for further convo. V3393s ( talk) 19:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Greetings User:Marshens. Can you please explain the objective of your edits to the lead? I do not understand what you are trying to accomplish. Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 23:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
SusanLesch I am trying to make the lead more of a overview. See Atlanta as an example. The current lead starts off with a factoid about natural amenities, which is important but not an overview of the city\lead worthy. I combined a previously written lead that was more of an introduction (from 2019) and slightly rearranged what was already written (nothing new) to make a stronger lead. I feel like this rearranging was needed to make the article’s lead more of a lead. Hope that clarifies my objective. Marshens ( talk) 00:24, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
I have Atlanta as a general example. Not an exact copy. It provides, more or less, a template for what makes a good lead. The Minneapolis lead must cover what the city is known for. Like its history. Atlanta’s lead covers what they city in known for, like it’s historic center for industry, which is very similar to Minneapolis. The current one for Minneapolis is more of a factoid than a chief and important fact. Marshens ( talk) 18:42, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
I was not aware of that. Thank you for informing me. I added a very small clarification of where the confluence was. I believe what is there now is the best lead possible then. Thank you. Marshens ( talk) 21:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
While I think the current lead is fine, I've read through it a few times and thought of a potential alternative. I can see how "most populous city" might not be ideal to have in the first sentence. An alternative could be this:
Minneapolis is a city in the U.S. state of Minnesota. With a population of 429,954 as of 2020, it is the most populous city in the state and the 46th most populous in the nation. The seat of Hennepin County, Minneapolis lies on both banks of the Mississippi River, just north of its confluence with the Minnesota River, and adjoins Saint Paul, the state's capital.
I would also consider moving the current third paragraph (Seven counties encompassing...
to be the second; this way, the general information about the greater metro area wouldn't interrupt two more city-specific paragraphs; the one about the water features and history and the one about the music and arts scenes. This could, however, put undue weight on non-Minneapolis-specific information, so I'm not certain if it would be better or worse. --
Sable232 (
talk)
17:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Sable232, I like the direction of proposed edit you made. I do not think moving metro paragraph up help clarity. I would keep where it is. Here are my adjustment to your edit, Minneapolis is a city in the U.S. state of Minnesota. Minneapolis lies on rolling, lake covered terrain on both banks of the Mississippi River. The city is just north of the river's confluence with the Minnesota River and adjoins Saint Paul, the state's capital. The seat of Hennepin County, Minneapolis is the most populous city in the U.S. state of Minnesota and the 46th most populous city in the US.
Please edit the above with what you think best. What there now can always stay. Danyess ( talk) 23:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Greetings,
Ealdgyth. Thank you for removing flags for sister cities. They did seem to be decorative. Could you please explain though why you made
this edit?
MOS:INFOBOXFLAG says: Human geographic articles – for example settlements and administrative subdivisions – may have flags of the country and first-level administrative subdivision in infoboxes.
This article is a human geographic article. What harm do the flag of the country and state do? -
SusanLesch (
talk)
03:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
I would like to add to the page the logo of Minneapolis, which is much more often seen here in Minneapolis than its flag, for example on public signs or on official paper. The logo is the two schematic sale boats, one solid white, one solid dark blue, both with dark blue outlines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.153.19.114 ( talk) 02:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, a few things missing from this article. Maybe someone will pitch in?
Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
More problems:
- SusanLesch ( talk) 18:25, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
There is no photo in the historical section, which includes the building of Ft. Snelling. It's a large section and IMO could use one, perhaps this one:
I find it interesting that there appears to be a wigwam frame in the foreground. I know that a lot of work went into this article and more than likely the editors here are well aware of all the photos that depict early history of the city, but I thought I would just put this out anyway and see if there was any interest. Sectionworker ( talk) 10:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Bneu2013. Can you please explain your recent edit to " condense table and change terminology"? When I look at the source, the US Census Bureau, under P1 RACE, we're given only numbers (no percents). Manually, 255,704 / 429,954 = 0.59472408676277 or 59.5 percent white. So why did you change that to 58% white? And why did you change the historical figures without changing the source? Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 17:07, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Below are some racial facts which may belong in the article (I think they do) or at least in the See also section:
User:SusanLesch has re-inserted this photo--which SusanLesch photographed last summer--showing the backs of two cooks preparing food in the kitchen of a non-notable Minneapolis restaurant. A consensus of editors at MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE have agreed that "Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative. They are often an important illustrative aid to understanding." This article is about a city in the mid-western United States, so I'm not sure how a photo of a restaurant kitchen is "significant and relevant". The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 ( talk) 11:15, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
The restaurant is Owamni by The Sioux Chef. It’s one of the most stunning destination restaurants in the world right now. I say this as not only a critic, but a chef who staged and dined at El Bulli in Spain when it ranked as the best restaurant in the world.
And the world is taking note. The New York Times named Owamni to its list of the best 50 restaurants in America in October, applauding efforts to “revitalize Indigenous cuisine and decolonize American cooking.” Vogue declared it a “must-visit dining destination.”
Pause for mercy. Magnolia677 has a chance to correct himself and apologize. - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:17, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi
Magnolia677. First a correction. Your
edit summary is a bizarrely inaccurate reading of the rule you cite: "copyedit + capitalization should be consistent among races, per MOS:PEOPLANG".
MOS:PEOPLANG really says: Ethno-racial "color labels" may be given capitalized (Black and White) or lower-case (black and white). There is no consensus either for or against using mixed case (Black and white).
a statement that is followed by a lengthy explanatory note. Second, if that's the way you want it to read, would you please change every occurrence of white to White? This article can choose one and stick with it. -
SusanLesch (
talk)
16:04, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Sherman and Thompson worked for five years to open; they've been in the news more than a year. They built a miracle. Regarding WP:GNG:
For 2021:
For 2022:
Star Tribune's Jon Cheng: "The Minneapolis restaurant is garnering international attention, but to call it the "hot new" restaurant is a disservice. ⋆⋆⋆ ½ " - SusanLesch ( talk) 19:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I have not re-examined the entire article, but the lead needs a rewrite. While dedicating an entire paragraph to the counties surrounding the Twin Cities area (off-topic), it does not cover all of the most important aspects of the article/city. It focuses on the arts, Floyd, population, and gives us nothing on other aspects like economy, demographics, geography, education, government, climate, etc. I don't know what "perserved its financial clout" means, or how that is cited in the article. A list of artists in the lead is name dropping of limited significance for the lead. Too much art, one sentence on Chavin suffices, and the rest needs to be better rounded out. @ SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:14, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Lead Draft:
Minneapolis ( /ˌmɪniˈæpəlɪs/ ) is a city in the U.S. state of Minnesota. Abundant in water, with thirteen lakes, wetlands, the Mississippi River, creeks and waterfalls, Minneapolis became a marketplace for timber and the flour milling capital of the world. [1]. The county seat of Hennepin County, Minneapolis lies along both banks of the Mississippi River, just north of its confluence with the Minnesota River, and adjoins Saint Paul, the state capital of Minnesota. The city has a population of 429,954 as of 2020, it is the most populous city in the state and the 46th most populous in the United States. [2] [3] [4]
Known for its cold, snowy winters and humid summers, Minneapolis has one of the nation's best park systems. [5] Many of these parks are connected by the Grand Rounds National Scenic Byway. Several large corporations call Minneapolis home leading to the city and the region being regarded by some as the primary business center between Chicago and Seattle.
The city uses a mayor council government system. A majority of the city, as of the last 50 years, has been considered as a Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party stronghold. Political leaders from both parties in Minneapolis have gone to hold various other major positions in government: such as Walter Mondale, Hubert Humphrey, and Arne Carlson. Jacob Frey (DFL) has been mayor since 2018.
Minneapolis is home to some renowned entertainment venues; including the Guthrie Theater and the First Avenue nightclub. It also has a robust library system, several universities, and the stadiums of some professional sports teams.
In May 2020, the murder of George Floyd, a Black man, by Derek Chauvin, a White officer of the Minneapolis Police Department, occurred in the city. It resulted in global protests and put Minneapolis and racism in the national and international spotlights. '
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Catching up here now. The weight in the lead is off, and it isn't a summary of the article. It's also name dropping individuals indiscriminately. I haven't checked, but if (as Marshens says) everything in the draft above is already in the article, and cited in the article (so that the cites don't have to be repeated in the lead), then I suggest tightening the prose, and expanding the scope of the lead. The George Floyd paragraph sentences are not tight; I cleaned them up without changing any meaning or losing any content or context. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:21, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Minneapolis ( /ˌmɪniˈæpəlɪs/ ) is the largest city in the U.S. state of Minnesota and the county seat of Hennepin County. Abundant in water, with thirteen lakes, wetlands, the Mississippi River, creeks and waterfalls, Minneapolis had its origins in timber and as the flour milling capital of the world. It adjoins Saint Paul, the state capital. With 429,954 inhabitants as of 2020, it is the 46th most populous city in the nation. Prior to European contact, the Dakota Sioux were the region's sole residents; French explorers arrived in the region in 1680 and were followed by other European-American settlers. The construction of Fort Snelling in 1819 spurred growth in Saint Anthony Falls; Minneapolis incorporated in 1867 and joined with St. Anthony in 1872.
Minneapolis is a cultural and economic center of the north central region of the United States. Five Fortune 500 corporations are headquartered in the city, which is the second largest economic center in the Midwest. Minneapolis is home to the renowned Guthrie Theater, as well as the First Avenue nightclub, the Minneapolis Institute of Art, the Walker Art Center and the Minnesota Orchestra. The city hosts four professional sports teams. Minneapolis has one of the nation's best park systems, many of which are connected by the Grand Rounds National Scenic Byway. It has cold, snowy winters and humid summers.
The main campus of the University of Minnesota is in the city along with other institutions of higher learning. Two light rail lines and one commuter rail line connect downtown and the University with St. Paul, the Mall of America and Minneapolis–Saint Paul International Airport in Bloomington, and several other suburbs. Minneapolis has eight hospitals, four ranked among America's best: Abbott Northwestern Hospital, Children's Hospitals and Clinics, University of Minnesota Medical Center, and University of Minnesota Masonic Children's Hospital.
Minneapolis is a Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party (DFL) stronghold. The city uses a mayor council government system. Jacob Frey (DFL) has been mayor since 2018. The May 2020 murder of George Floyd, a Black man, by Derek Chauvin, a White officer of the Minneapolis Police Department in the city sparked global protests and put Minneapolis and racism in the national and international spotlights.
Minneapolis ( /ˌmɪniˈæpəlɪs/ ) is a city in the U.S. state of Minnesota and the county seat of Hennepin County. Abundant in water, with thirteen lakes, wetlands, the Mississippi River, creeks and waterfalls, Minneapolis had its origins in timber and as the flour milling capital of the world. It lies along both banks of the Mississippi River and adjoins Saint Paul, the state capital of Minnesota. The city, inhabited by the Dakota Sioux prior to settlement, got its start due to the construction of Fort Snelling in 1819 spurring growth along Saint Anthony Falls. With 429,954 inhabitants as of 2020, Minneapolis is the most populous city in the state and the 46th most populous city in the nation.
Minneapolis has one of the nation's best park systems, and many of these park are connected by the Grand Rounds National Scenic Byway. Biking and walking trails, some of which follow old railroad lines, run through many parts of the city, such as the historic mill district by Saint Anthony Falls and around the lakes of the Lowry Hill area. Minneapolis has cold, snowy winters and humid summers. Several large corporations have their main headquarters in Minneapolis. The city is home to the Guthrie Theater as well as the First Avenue nightclub. The city is also the host to four professional sports teams.
The main campus of the University of Minnesota is in the city limits along with other institutions of higher learning. The downtown area of Minneapolis is served by a light rail system. Minneapolis has some highly rated hospitals.
Minneapolis has been a Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party (DFL) stronghold for 50 years. The city uses a mayor council government system. Jacob Frey (DFL) has been mayor since 2018. The May 2020 murder of George Floyd, a Black man, by Derek Chauvin, a White officer of the Minneapolis Police Department in the city sparked global protests and put Minneapolis and racism in the national and international spotlights.
It has cold, snowy winters and humid summers.The word It refers back to either Saint Anthony Falls, or Lowry Hill, which I don't think is what is meant.
Minneapolis also has some of the best hospitals in the country,won't work. It has several hospitals that are highly rated, or rated among the best. The change in wording from my version to yours is small, but the difference is big. Maybe you can say "several highly rated hospitals"? Or else, go back to the wording that is cited in the article. Or the wording I had. Minneapolis does not have a top-rated hospital; we have to take care with "best". Top 20, no Minneapolis.
Minneapolis, as of the last 50 years, has been a Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party (DFL) stronghold.Still awkward. --> Minneapolis has been a Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party (DFL) stronghold for 50 years ... maybe ?
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:58, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
SandyGeorgia: Thank you for your advice. The changes you have suggested have been implemented. I did not, however, add back in about Mall of America. A former editor wrote in 2011 that adding Mall of America does not make sense due to its non-existent impact on the culture and economy of the City of Minneapolis itself. I am going to defer to their view unless there is any groundbreaking new information. Does this in your opinion seem ready to add? Marshens ( talk) 01:18, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Originally inhabited by the Dakota Sioux, the city got its start due to the construction of Fort Snelling in 1819 spurring growth along Saint Anthony Falls.
With 429,954 inhabitants as of 2020, it is the largest in the state and the 46th most populous city in the nation.... and ... largest what ?
Minneapolis also has some highly rated hospitals such as Abbott Northwestern Hospital, Children's Hospitals and Clinics, University of Minnesota Medical Center, and University of Minnesota Masonic Children's Hospital.--> Abbott Northwestern Hospital, Children's Hospitals and Clinics, University of Minnesota Medical Center, and University of Minnesota Masonic Children's Hospital are the city's highly rated hospitals. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:35, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Ok. I agree with you. I will add this into the article. Thanks for your help finishing this up. Marshens ( talk) 02:33, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for alerting me that I accidentally put in an earlier version. Once I have time, I will reinstate your edits. Even though this is not “final”, it is a great improvement and a perfect start. Thanks again for your help and hope to use your counsel again. Marshens ( talk) 05:12, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
The article is *much* improved from the notice I left over a year ago, but needs a thorough copyedit; perhaps WP:GOCE can be brought in. There are still maintenance tags. Redlining and covenants are mentioned in two different sections, and racial issues in about three sections; better overall organization is needed. There are some instances of unnecessarily loaded or off-topic language (for example, this is not Hubert Humphrey's article). Working with an experienced copyeditor (someone accustomed to working at the FA level) might help assure this article is at FA standards. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:36, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
As of 2020, Minneapolis–St. Paul area is the second largest economic center in the Midwest, behind Chicago.[134]If none, this is original research and WP:UNDUE. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:50, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
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Philanthropy and charitable giving are part of the community.[189]SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:13, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
The article is vastly improved since my 2020 note, and is no longer in urgent need of a featured article review, but there are still pressing items that should be addressed. Unwatching; please ping me if my feedback is needed. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:33, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
I'd recommend that the collage be converted into separate files per WP:COLLAGETIPS. The images might also be improved. Anyone want to take that on? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 22:31, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
At SandyGeorgia's suggestion, I made a request for copyediting at the Guild of Copy Editors. User:Baffle gab1978 has begun. We are awfully lucky to have them. - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:40, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
CC-BY-SA; I've remove the following text from the article; I'm leaving it here, with its refs, for future editors; see article history for full attribution. Baffle☿gab 04:48, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Cheers, Baffle☿gab 04:48, 5 June 2022 (UTC)Vänskä's affinity for fellow Finn Jean Sibelius [1] was recognized by a Grammy nomination in 2013 for a recording of "Sibelius: Symphonies Nos. 2 & 5," and the orchestra won a Grammy Award in 2014 for "Sibelius: Symphonies Nos 1 & 4." [2] [3]
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- ^ Ross, Jenna (January 6, 2022). "Osmo Vänskä returns to music he feels in 'the deepest possible way' — fellow Finn Jean Sibelius". Star Tribune. Retrieved January 6, 2022.
- ^ Espeland, Pamela (December 7, 2012). "Five Grammy nominations have Minneapolis ties; more holiday shows". MinnPost. Retrieved January 10, 2013.
- ^ Bream, Jon (January 27, 2014). "Minnesota Orchestra and Osmo Vänskä score a Grammy". Star Tribune. Retrieved March 14, 2014.
Greetings, User:Titi68999. Pardon the question but may I ask why you have a sudden interest in this article? I would like to make room for our guest from Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. Those services are really rare. - SusanLesch ( talk) 23:30, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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Is it worth mentioning the fact listed in 45th parallel north? JDAWiseman ( talk) 22:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
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Can you write that it's a very large city, as it's the largest city in Minnesota? Whislife ( talk) 04:41, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
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Any editor can edit this list and this article! The following can be done now to prepare for WP:FAR. - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Two sections redone recently:
Geography and climate
Demographics
Culture: Theater and performing arts
Overall use most recent source per SandyGeorgia. Remove old rankings. (Started to use 2010 as a cutoff where possible.) Done - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:02, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Good suggestions from an IP in 2017
Citizens had a unique and powerful influence in neighborhood government. Neighborhoods coordinated activities under the Neighborhood Revitalization Program (NRP), scheduled to end in 2009, [1] however NRP funds were dispersed to neighborhoods in 2014. [2]
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I'm having a heck of time with the population. Sources are easy to find but most are at the wrong geographical level (the state or the metropolitan area). - SusanLesch ( talk) 20:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
I will start a section here and add to it as I have time, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
That's a start ... there is much more ... I will continue to peek in occasionally, but please ping me should I get busy and forget. Good luck here! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
You can get some ideas for fixing image layout and sandwiching problems by looking at what I did at Mayfly and Marilyn Monroe; hope this helps! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:53, 4 December 2020 (UTC) Done - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:04, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
In progress:
Questions:
- SusanLesch ( talk) 18:24, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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FA | 32 kB | June 2007 |
Before | 59 kB | November 2019 |
After | 45 kB | January 2021 |
SusanLesch my apologies for the delay; such is the world of Wikipedia, where there are never enough hours in the day. I will start a fresh look through now. My usual approach is to start over at the top rather than trying to review my previous commentary, so please pardon if I am repetitively repetitive! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
This is not comprehensive, as I don't have time to review indepth today, but it gives some things to start on. Nikkimaria may have other suggestions, along with idea of how to better position Health, which is now oddly grouped with Utilities. Fine work so far ! SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Nikkimaria, it is not my desire to argue with you but this is inexplicable. Why do you narrowly object to the word funk? Why not object to folk? Do you have some special knowledge or background in this subject of funk music? There is plenty to support that sentence which an IP added. For "funk" here's one downloadable source: [1] Or maybe you can get a preview of, for example, page 143 in this book that we have used to build this article. [2] I have to be careful because I know approximately how much I don't know about music. If you are still not satisfied I am going to have to ask an outside expert, a professional music writer, for advice. - SusanLesch ( talk) 21:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
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Residents had divergent ideas on names for their community: ideas floated and rejected in the 1850s were All Saints, Lowell, Addiesville or Adasville, Winona, Brooklyn, and Albion. The city's first schoolmaster, Charles Hoag was searching for indigenous syllables, when he stumbled on "Indianapolis". In 1852, he proposed "Minnehapolis," with a silent h, combining the Dakota word for "waterfall", Mníȟaȟa,[13] and the Greek word for "city", polis. Newspaperman George Bowman and Daniel Payne dropped the h, leaving out the hah, to create Minneapolis, meaning 'city of the falls'.What's left should go into History of Minneapolis. - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:33, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Residents had divergent ideas on names for their community: ideas floated and rejected in the 1850s were All Saints, Lowell, Addiesville or Adasville, Winona, Brooklyn, and Albion. In 1852 the city's first schoolmaster, Charles Hoag, proposed "Minnehapolis," with a silent h, combining the Dakota word for "waterfall", Mníȟaȟa,[13] and the Greek word for "city", polis. Newspaperman George Bowman and Daniel Payne dropped the h, leaving out the hah, to create Minneapolis, meaning 'city of the falls'.Nikkimaria ( talk) 21:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Residents had divergent ideas on names for their community. In 1852 the city's first schoolmaster, Charles Hoag, proposed "Minnehapolis," with a silent h, combining the Dakota word for "waterfall", Mníȟaȟa,[13] and the Greek word for "city", polis.- SusanLesch ( talk) 14:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Nikkimaria, thank you for your focus on content. I'll do what I can. - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:45, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
@ SandyGeorgia: you're late. I'll do what I can. I told you in November that my deadline is tomorrow, January 15. - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:50, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Revisiting per request, sorry again for the delay, SusanLesch; there are 4,000 FAs needing review, and we are less than two dozen editors trying to do it.
This very old FA has been considerably rewritten, is quite improved since work started in November, but still has some rough spots. I suggest the best route forward in such cases is to submit the article for renewed vetting at WP:FAR. That will bring more independent eyes to the article, more people to work on the article, and the renewal of the star will have been completely vetted. Because I know you are still in school and very busy, there is no hurry to do this. But I believe the article still needs some elbow grease. Here are just (very brief) examples:
In 2019, those counties are among sixteen making up the Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington MN–WI metropolitan area of 3.6 million, and twenty-two making up the combined statistical area of 4.0 million.
Overall, I suggest this article will benefit from renewed vetting at FAR, but believe that can wait until you have time to deal with it; I don't believe the article is in such shape that it is in danger of someone else submitting a precipitous FAR. Best regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:36, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Greetings,
Minnemeeples. What are you talking about in your last edit summary? →Utilities: Removed blatant promotional content that relied exclusively on defunct primary sources by SMS Holdings Corporation that were hidden within an Easter Eggs for "Block by Block".
These ambassadors are important people. They work downtown every day rain or shine, snow or ice. Why would you want to remove unarmed peacekeepers? That's not their primary role but if I was in trouble downtown they're the first person I would ask for help. Why not update the sources, which, by the way, were not "exclusively" from SMS? Also, it's not an
WP:EASTEREGG to link to a parent company that lists Block by Block, when Wikipedia does not have the resources to have a separate article for Block by Block.-
SusanLesch (
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16:07, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the conversation and giving me a chance to explain further. Edit summaries are a lousy way to communicate a thought! :) I agree that the work of the people in the role of a downtown ambassador is important. In my opinion, the problem though is the sourcing of a commercial enterprise and the manner in which the information is presented. SMS Holdings Corporation is a private company and Block by Block is one of its many commercial enterprises. The ambassadors are employees of the company. I am not sure why the Minneapolis article needs to give such a prominent shout out to the out-of-state company that the Downtown Improvement District contracts with for operation of the ambassador program (e.g., "They are employees of Block by Block, a company in Nashville, Tennessee that serves forty-six US cities."). Also, the prior content used as sources the Block by Block website, which is commercial/promotional, and is used to recruit job applicants. The article also used as a source the Mpls Downtown Improvement District website, which is arguably promotional in nature, but a primary source at best. If the ambassador program is worthy of note in the Minneapolis article, a better secondary source should describe it and the work of the people and its relevance to the city. It's not adequate to cite the organization contracting for the work and the private company doing it as valid sources. Whether intended or not, it comes across as promotion of the two, especially as volunteer-led efforts to improve the city get no mention at all. I hope that explanation makes more sense. Minnemeeples ( talk) 17:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Another article states the Somali demographic in the city is capped at 80,000, but this article says that there are about 120,000. Could it be that it is instead referencing the total Muslim community within the city limits? 72.174.71.134 ( talk) 15:29, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Greetings, CTF83!. Hennepin County Library tried but couldn't answer this question, and neither could the Wilder Foundation (MN Compass). Susan Brower, the demographer for the State of Minnesota, kindly replied. She confirms that the US Census does not collect this data. Brower sent what they have which is US Census estimates of same sex spouses and partners who live in the same household. Our article has been corrected to cite only Bring Me The News and Gallup. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:43, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
I asked for some help and didn't get it. I added a few sentences to the lead explaining how Mapping Prejudice has shown us that whites asserted control of the city's land. Next apparently I will have to consult with outside experts. - SusanLesch ( talk) 13:55, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
The History subsection named "social tensions" seems to cover all of Minneapolis history from 1880ish to today. Reading through it, I do not believe it says one positive or even neutral thing about the city.
Of course, I believe that this page should make extensive and thorough reference to Minneapolis's history of racial/social tensions, but it feels inappropriate for it to be the only lens through which the article evaluates the city's history from 1880 to today.
Does anyone have thoughts on how to add to/reform the History section of the article to more fully discuss the city's history in the 20th and 21st centuries?
In my opinion, I would not be opposed to leaving the section on social tensions largely as is, but there needs to be an additional section to cover the city's history other than social conflicts. SpeedMcCool ( talk) 04:06, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
The section Culture > Racial conflict had four sources, all from 2020 thanks very much to User:JadeMont6082. I ordered Tom Weber's book that will be here soon. Of the other three, I very much liked Bloomberg CityLab and pulled out two attributable ideas, one each from Dr. Green and Dr. Delegard. Does anyone have other ideas? Either for this section, or for the brief mention of racial covenants, anti-Semitism, Plymouth Avenue in 1966–1967, and George Floyd under HIstory > Social tensions, or under Government > Police. - SusanLesch ( talk) 04:54, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Welcome @ SpeedMcCool: Your edit summary reads:
"While I have no concerns with the content of this edit, I am puzzled by its inclusion in the head of the article. Are not all American cities struggling with social racism? Is the structural racism inMinneapolis so unique as to warrant a lengthy paragraph in the lead section? Perhaps this extended blurb belongs in a new category of the article."
Yes, Minneapolis is at the forefront of structural racism. Read what
Rjensen
wrote above. Just because you happen to be puzzled means we wiped that history out of the lead. We've been asked to expand the lead by
SandyGeorgia who
wrote above: "The lead is short (not a thorough summary) and could benefit from a copyedit. It emphasizes cultural aspects, while leaving out some others." (--SandyGeorgia, 29 March)
. I am happy to work with you to compromise on a smaller paragraph. Thanks. -
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@
Rjensen: you changed:
The US reneged on the treaties during the Civil War, resulting in hunger, war, internment, and exile of the Dakota from Minnesota.
to
The Dakota were removed after massacring settlers in the Dakota War of 1862.
We had two RFCs in the past year surrounding Dakota history. I invited your input but you didn't write anything. First, the war didn't take place in Minneapolis. Second, you've written from a strange point of view. Do you mind my revert to the previous version? -
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miscreantson p. 129. [2] Based on the sources used in this article, I still disagree with your point of view, but I was able to order Dr. Anderson's book from Birchbark Books so maybe you'll give me a few months.
All treaties were abrogated. all annuities canceled, the funds to be used for reparations to white victims of the late war.[3] She would seem to diverge from your estimation right there. Elsewhere, on p. 139, she has a dim view of trading debt.
This helps explain the pain and trauma caused later, when European Americans took the land...[4] Weber, who I am reading now, makes a sad point that the Dakota were held in a Fort Snelling concentration camp within view of Bdote, their most sacred spot on earth. I don't think we ought to skip over that camp.
...with congressional abrogation of the Dakota treaties and the abolition of the Minnesota River reservations, they lost the last of their homeland.[2]
...overlooked the causes of the Indian discontent, gradually accepting that
the Indians—even though some of them were the aggressors—were driven to war.[2]
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@ Rjensen: Also here is former governor Mark Dayton's statement of 2012 (seven years before this book was published) that repudiated Alexander Ramsey's position. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:18, 6 May 2021 (UTC) P.S. Here also is the Pioneer Press on renaming Henry Sibley High School. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:43, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Welcome @ SpeedMcCool: Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline tells us we have 10 paragraphs to cover the city's history. Your moved us to 14. Would you mind please restoring the Dakota history section to a single paragraph?
Also would you please restore the phrase "in a succession of treaties negotiated by corrupt officials."? It took many months of Wiki-negotiations just to write that sentence. The source is considered the best we have. Anderson uses the word "thieves" on page x. (Google Books might or might not show you a citation here.) Thanks. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:51, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi. We have a request to clean up old links to the Internet Archive per WP:LINKROT. Your help would be great. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:34, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Ever since this page has started being redesigned, I guess because of some featured article review, it has BY FAR the smallest lead section of any major American city's Wikipedia article. Look at New York City, Chicago, Cleveland, Nashville. Even Worcester, Massachusetts has a larger one now. Why??? Is this somehow considered ideal? The article now looks woefully sparse compared to basically any other American city Wikipedia article, and it makes the edit about George Floyd (which seems to me to be highlighted only as a result of recency bias) stick out like a sore thumb. Please, can someone explain the decisions to make the article look the way it does now? 67.220.6.236 ( talk) 03:06, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Should the comments on George Floyd be in its own section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anastacio21 ( talk • contribs) 19:56, 21 April 2021 (UTC) Anastacio21 ( talk) 20:06, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
We should not have George Floyd on the top of the page. It does not define the city the same way 9/11 doesn’t define New York City so much so that it’s on the top of the page Themightytouch ( talk) 22:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians. There has been consensus between some editors about editing the introduction to this article. The slight addition would read as follows:
Minneapolis (/ˌmɪniˈæpəlɪs/ (About this soundlisten)) is the most populous city in the U.S. state of Minnesota and the seat of Hennepin County.[6] Minneapolis is located around Saint Anthony Falls on the Mississippi River. The city, once dubbed the "flour milling capital of the world", was the industrial center of the Upper Midwest from the 1880s until about the 1930s.[7] Despite a significant shift away from industrial activity, Minneapolis still remains Minnesota’s major economic and cultural center. The city has one of the nation's best park systems,[8] with thirteen lakes, wetlands, woodlands, creeks and waterfalls, many connected by parkways in the Grand Rounds National Scenic Byway.
It has been sourced and approved by several other editors, but to come to a larger consensus please state any changes to the following statement. There has also been a strong consensus in the past about expanding the introduction and this is proposal to do so.
Thank you ~~Gooob
Hello user: SusanLesch! Any changes you have? I have talked with other editors to write this. Trying to get consensus here! ~~ Gooob ( talk) 15:39, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback. Can we move the milling sentence (that is already written) to the top. Seems like a major part of Minneapolis. Trying to come to a comprise here. I appreciate your help making productive edits. Thank you ~~ Gooob ( talk) 16:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Hey, I usually edit political articles but got a notification about this and read through this convo and the editor’s edits and it seems like most of that editor’s edits look like undue weight to me so I would not add what they wrote at all. but I feel like there are two things they mentioned that could be worth to add based on reading this convo and edits so I added them to the article. I feel like this is a done convo.
I have left a note on the editor’s talk page to tell him about his unconstructive edits. ~~ V3393s ( talk) 17:10, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Greetings. We have three new editors with a sudden interest in Minneapolis: User:JesseeV3, User:Gooob, User:Marshens. Frankly, this city has been through enough already. None of these editors even tried to reach consensus here on the talk page to make their changes. Inaccurate rewording of this long-standing article will be reverted. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Hello user:SusanLesch! I agree with your statements. I can not speak for the other editors you mentioned, but I have a place in the talk page consensus about an edit I have been think of! Please add changes if you have some! Thank you! ~~Gooob Gooob ( talk) 15:30, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
I just make an edit and comment on a talk page discussion, gave a disruptive user a warning, because I have this page starred on my watchlist. Edit has been reversed. No need for further convo. V3393s ( talk) 19:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Greetings User:Marshens. Can you please explain the objective of your edits to the lead? I do not understand what you are trying to accomplish. Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 23:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
SusanLesch I am trying to make the lead more of a overview. See Atlanta as an example. The current lead starts off with a factoid about natural amenities, which is important but not an overview of the city\lead worthy. I combined a previously written lead that was more of an introduction (from 2019) and slightly rearranged what was already written (nothing new) to make a stronger lead. I feel like this rearranging was needed to make the article’s lead more of a lead. Hope that clarifies my objective. Marshens ( talk) 00:24, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
I have Atlanta as a general example. Not an exact copy. It provides, more or less, a template for what makes a good lead. The Minneapolis lead must cover what the city is known for. Like its history. Atlanta’s lead covers what they city in known for, like it’s historic center for industry, which is very similar to Minneapolis. The current one for Minneapolis is more of a factoid than a chief and important fact. Marshens ( talk) 18:42, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
I was not aware of that. Thank you for informing me. I added a very small clarification of where the confluence was. I believe what is there now is the best lead possible then. Thank you. Marshens ( talk) 21:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
While I think the current lead is fine, I've read through it a few times and thought of a potential alternative. I can see how "most populous city" might not be ideal to have in the first sentence. An alternative could be this:
Minneapolis is a city in the U.S. state of Minnesota. With a population of 429,954 as of 2020, it is the most populous city in the state and the 46th most populous in the nation. The seat of Hennepin County, Minneapolis lies on both banks of the Mississippi River, just north of its confluence with the Minnesota River, and adjoins Saint Paul, the state's capital.
I would also consider moving the current third paragraph (Seven counties encompassing...
to be the second; this way, the general information about the greater metro area wouldn't interrupt two more city-specific paragraphs; the one about the water features and history and the one about the music and arts scenes. This could, however, put undue weight on non-Minneapolis-specific information, so I'm not certain if it would be better or worse. --
Sable232 (
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Sable232, I like the direction of proposed edit you made. I do not think moving metro paragraph up help clarity. I would keep where it is. Here are my adjustment to your edit, Minneapolis is a city in the U.S. state of Minnesota. Minneapolis lies on rolling, lake covered terrain on both banks of the Mississippi River. The city is just north of the river's confluence with the Minnesota River and adjoins Saint Paul, the state's capital. The seat of Hennepin County, Minneapolis is the most populous city in the U.S. state of Minnesota and the 46th most populous city in the US.
Please edit the above with what you think best. What there now can always stay. Danyess ( talk) 23:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Greetings,
Ealdgyth. Thank you for removing flags for sister cities. They did seem to be decorative. Could you please explain though why you made
this edit?
MOS:INFOBOXFLAG says: Human geographic articles – for example settlements and administrative subdivisions – may have flags of the country and first-level administrative subdivision in infoboxes.
This article is a human geographic article. What harm do the flag of the country and state do? -
SusanLesch (
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03:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
I would like to add to the page the logo of Minneapolis, which is much more often seen here in Minneapolis than its flag, for example on public signs or on official paper. The logo is the two schematic sale boats, one solid white, one solid dark blue, both with dark blue outlines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.153.19.114 ( talk) 02:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, a few things missing from this article. Maybe someone will pitch in?
Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
More problems:
- SusanLesch ( talk) 18:25, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
There is no photo in the historical section, which includes the building of Ft. Snelling. It's a large section and IMO could use one, perhaps this one:
I find it interesting that there appears to be a wigwam frame in the foreground. I know that a lot of work went into this article and more than likely the editors here are well aware of all the photos that depict early history of the city, but I thought I would just put this out anyway and see if there was any interest. Sectionworker ( talk) 10:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Bneu2013. Can you please explain your recent edit to " condense table and change terminology"? When I look at the source, the US Census Bureau, under P1 RACE, we're given only numbers (no percents). Manually, 255,704 / 429,954 = 0.59472408676277 or 59.5 percent white. So why did you change that to 58% white? And why did you change the historical figures without changing the source? Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 17:07, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Below are some racial facts which may belong in the article (I think they do) or at least in the See also section:
User:SusanLesch has re-inserted this photo--which SusanLesch photographed last summer--showing the backs of two cooks preparing food in the kitchen of a non-notable Minneapolis restaurant. A consensus of editors at MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE have agreed that "Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative. They are often an important illustrative aid to understanding." This article is about a city in the mid-western United States, so I'm not sure how a photo of a restaurant kitchen is "significant and relevant". The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 ( talk) 11:15, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
The restaurant is Owamni by The Sioux Chef. It’s one of the most stunning destination restaurants in the world right now. I say this as not only a critic, but a chef who staged and dined at El Bulli in Spain when it ranked as the best restaurant in the world.
And the world is taking note. The New York Times named Owamni to its list of the best 50 restaurants in America in October, applauding efforts to “revitalize Indigenous cuisine and decolonize American cooking.” Vogue declared it a “must-visit dining destination.”
Pause for mercy. Magnolia677 has a chance to correct himself and apologize. - SusanLesch ( talk) 16:17, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi
Magnolia677. First a correction. Your
edit summary is a bizarrely inaccurate reading of the rule you cite: "copyedit + capitalization should be consistent among races, per MOS:PEOPLANG".
MOS:PEOPLANG really says: Ethno-racial "color labels" may be given capitalized (Black and White) or lower-case (black and white). There is no consensus either for or against using mixed case (Black and white).
a statement that is followed by a lengthy explanatory note. Second, if that's the way you want it to read, would you please change every occurrence of white to White? This article can choose one and stick with it. -
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Sherman and Thompson worked for five years to open; they've been in the news more than a year. They built a miracle. Regarding WP:GNG:
For 2021:
For 2022:
Star Tribune's Jon Cheng: "The Minneapolis restaurant is garnering international attention, but to call it the "hot new" restaurant is a disservice. ⋆⋆⋆ ½ " - SusanLesch ( talk) 19:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I have not re-examined the entire article, but the lead needs a rewrite. While dedicating an entire paragraph to the counties surrounding the Twin Cities area (off-topic), it does not cover all of the most important aspects of the article/city. It focuses on the arts, Floyd, population, and gives us nothing on other aspects like economy, demographics, geography, education, government, climate, etc. I don't know what "perserved its financial clout" means, or how that is cited in the article. A list of artists in the lead is name dropping of limited significance for the lead. Too much art, one sentence on Chavin suffices, and the rest needs to be better rounded out. @ SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:14, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Lead Draft:
Minneapolis ( /ˌmɪniˈæpəlɪs/ ) is a city in the U.S. state of Minnesota. Abundant in water, with thirteen lakes, wetlands, the Mississippi River, creeks and waterfalls, Minneapolis became a marketplace for timber and the flour milling capital of the world. [1]. The county seat of Hennepin County, Minneapolis lies along both banks of the Mississippi River, just north of its confluence with the Minnesota River, and adjoins Saint Paul, the state capital of Minnesota. The city has a population of 429,954 as of 2020, it is the most populous city in the state and the 46th most populous in the United States. [2] [3] [4]
Known for its cold, snowy winters and humid summers, Minneapolis has one of the nation's best park systems. [5] Many of these parks are connected by the Grand Rounds National Scenic Byway. Several large corporations call Minneapolis home leading to the city and the region being regarded by some as the primary business center between Chicago and Seattle.
The city uses a mayor council government system. A majority of the city, as of the last 50 years, has been considered as a Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party stronghold. Political leaders from both parties in Minneapolis have gone to hold various other major positions in government: such as Walter Mondale, Hubert Humphrey, and Arne Carlson. Jacob Frey (DFL) has been mayor since 2018.
Minneapolis is home to some renowned entertainment venues; including the Guthrie Theater and the First Avenue nightclub. It also has a robust library system, several universities, and the stadiums of some professional sports teams.
In May 2020, the murder of George Floyd, a Black man, by Derek Chauvin, a White officer of the Minneapolis Police Department, occurred in the city. It resulted in global protests and put Minneapolis and racism in the national and international spotlights. '
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Catching up here now. The weight in the lead is off, and it isn't a summary of the article. It's also name dropping individuals indiscriminately. I haven't checked, but if (as Marshens says) everything in the draft above is already in the article, and cited in the article (so that the cites don't have to be repeated in the lead), then I suggest tightening the prose, and expanding the scope of the lead. The George Floyd paragraph sentences are not tight; I cleaned them up without changing any meaning or losing any content or context. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:21, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Minneapolis ( /ˌmɪniˈæpəlɪs/ ) is the largest city in the U.S. state of Minnesota and the county seat of Hennepin County. Abundant in water, with thirteen lakes, wetlands, the Mississippi River, creeks and waterfalls, Minneapolis had its origins in timber and as the flour milling capital of the world. It adjoins Saint Paul, the state capital. With 429,954 inhabitants as of 2020, it is the 46th most populous city in the nation. Prior to European contact, the Dakota Sioux were the region's sole residents; French explorers arrived in the region in 1680 and were followed by other European-American settlers. The construction of Fort Snelling in 1819 spurred growth in Saint Anthony Falls; Minneapolis incorporated in 1867 and joined with St. Anthony in 1872.
Minneapolis is a cultural and economic center of the north central region of the United States. Five Fortune 500 corporations are headquartered in the city, which is the second largest economic center in the Midwest. Minneapolis is home to the renowned Guthrie Theater, as well as the First Avenue nightclub, the Minneapolis Institute of Art, the Walker Art Center and the Minnesota Orchestra. The city hosts four professional sports teams. Minneapolis has one of the nation's best park systems, many of which are connected by the Grand Rounds National Scenic Byway. It has cold, snowy winters and humid summers.
The main campus of the University of Minnesota is in the city along with other institutions of higher learning. Two light rail lines and one commuter rail line connect downtown and the University with St. Paul, the Mall of America and Minneapolis–Saint Paul International Airport in Bloomington, and several other suburbs. Minneapolis has eight hospitals, four ranked among America's best: Abbott Northwestern Hospital, Children's Hospitals and Clinics, University of Minnesota Medical Center, and University of Minnesota Masonic Children's Hospital.
Minneapolis is a Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party (DFL) stronghold. The city uses a mayor council government system. Jacob Frey (DFL) has been mayor since 2018. The May 2020 murder of George Floyd, a Black man, by Derek Chauvin, a White officer of the Minneapolis Police Department in the city sparked global protests and put Minneapolis and racism in the national and international spotlights.
Minneapolis ( /ˌmɪniˈæpəlɪs/ ) is a city in the U.S. state of Minnesota and the county seat of Hennepin County. Abundant in water, with thirteen lakes, wetlands, the Mississippi River, creeks and waterfalls, Minneapolis had its origins in timber and as the flour milling capital of the world. It lies along both banks of the Mississippi River and adjoins Saint Paul, the state capital of Minnesota. The city, inhabited by the Dakota Sioux prior to settlement, got its start due to the construction of Fort Snelling in 1819 spurring growth along Saint Anthony Falls. With 429,954 inhabitants as of 2020, Minneapolis is the most populous city in the state and the 46th most populous city in the nation.
Minneapolis has one of the nation's best park systems, and many of these park are connected by the Grand Rounds National Scenic Byway. Biking and walking trails, some of which follow old railroad lines, run through many parts of the city, such as the historic mill district by Saint Anthony Falls and around the lakes of the Lowry Hill area. Minneapolis has cold, snowy winters and humid summers. Several large corporations have their main headquarters in Minneapolis. The city is home to the Guthrie Theater as well as the First Avenue nightclub. The city is also the host to four professional sports teams.
The main campus of the University of Minnesota is in the city limits along with other institutions of higher learning. The downtown area of Minneapolis is served by a light rail system. Minneapolis has some highly rated hospitals.
Minneapolis has been a Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party (DFL) stronghold for 50 years. The city uses a mayor council government system. Jacob Frey (DFL) has been mayor since 2018. The May 2020 murder of George Floyd, a Black man, by Derek Chauvin, a White officer of the Minneapolis Police Department in the city sparked global protests and put Minneapolis and racism in the national and international spotlights.
It has cold, snowy winters and humid summers.The word It refers back to either Saint Anthony Falls, or Lowry Hill, which I don't think is what is meant.
Minneapolis also has some of the best hospitals in the country,won't work. It has several hospitals that are highly rated, or rated among the best. The change in wording from my version to yours is small, but the difference is big. Maybe you can say "several highly rated hospitals"? Or else, go back to the wording that is cited in the article. Or the wording I had. Minneapolis does not have a top-rated hospital; we have to take care with "best". Top 20, no Minneapolis.
Minneapolis, as of the last 50 years, has been a Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party (DFL) stronghold.Still awkward. --> Minneapolis has been a Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party (DFL) stronghold for 50 years ... maybe ?
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:58, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
SandyGeorgia: Thank you for your advice. The changes you have suggested have been implemented. I did not, however, add back in about Mall of America. A former editor wrote in 2011 that adding Mall of America does not make sense due to its non-existent impact on the culture and economy of the City of Minneapolis itself. I am going to defer to their view unless there is any groundbreaking new information. Does this in your opinion seem ready to add? Marshens ( talk) 01:18, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Originally inhabited by the Dakota Sioux, the city got its start due to the construction of Fort Snelling in 1819 spurring growth along Saint Anthony Falls.
With 429,954 inhabitants as of 2020, it is the largest in the state and the 46th most populous city in the nation.... and ... largest what ?
Minneapolis also has some highly rated hospitals such as Abbott Northwestern Hospital, Children's Hospitals and Clinics, University of Minnesota Medical Center, and University of Minnesota Masonic Children's Hospital.--> Abbott Northwestern Hospital, Children's Hospitals and Clinics, University of Minnesota Medical Center, and University of Minnesota Masonic Children's Hospital are the city's highly rated hospitals. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:35, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Ok. I agree with you. I will add this into the article. Thanks for your help finishing this up. Marshens ( talk) 02:33, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for alerting me that I accidentally put in an earlier version. Once I have time, I will reinstate your edits. Even though this is not “final”, it is a great improvement and a perfect start. Thanks again for your help and hope to use your counsel again. Marshens ( talk) 05:12, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
The article is *much* improved from the notice I left over a year ago, but needs a thorough copyedit; perhaps WP:GOCE can be brought in. There are still maintenance tags. Redlining and covenants are mentioned in two different sections, and racial issues in about three sections; better overall organization is needed. There are some instances of unnecessarily loaded or off-topic language (for example, this is not Hubert Humphrey's article). Working with an experienced copyeditor (someone accustomed to working at the FA level) might help assure this article is at FA standards. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:36, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
As of 2020, Minneapolis–St. Paul area is the second largest economic center in the Midwest, behind Chicago.[134]If none, this is original research and WP:UNDUE. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:50, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
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Philanthropy and charitable giving are part of the community.[189]SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:13, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
The article is vastly improved since my 2020 note, and is no longer in urgent need of a featured article review, but there are still pressing items that should be addressed. Unwatching; please ping me if my feedback is needed. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 03:33, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
I'd recommend that the collage be converted into separate files per WP:COLLAGETIPS. The images might also be improved. Anyone want to take that on? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 22:31, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
At SandyGeorgia's suggestion, I made a request for copyediting at the Guild of Copy Editors. User:Baffle gab1978 has begun. We are awfully lucky to have them. - SusanLesch ( talk) 14:40, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
CC-BY-SA; I've remove the following text from the article; I'm leaving it here, with its refs, for future editors; see article history for full attribution. Baffle☿gab 04:48, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Cheers, Baffle☿gab 04:48, 5 June 2022 (UTC)Vänskä's affinity for fellow Finn Jean Sibelius [1] was recognized by a Grammy nomination in 2013 for a recording of "Sibelius: Symphonies Nos. 2 & 5," and the orchestra won a Grammy Award in 2014 for "Sibelius: Symphonies Nos 1 & 4." [2] [3]
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- ^ Ross, Jenna (January 6, 2022). "Osmo Vänskä returns to music he feels in 'the deepest possible way' — fellow Finn Jean Sibelius". Star Tribune. Retrieved January 6, 2022.
- ^ Espeland, Pamela (December 7, 2012). "Five Grammy nominations have Minneapolis ties; more holiday shows". MinnPost. Retrieved January 10, 2013.
- ^ Bream, Jon (January 27, 2014). "Minnesota Orchestra and Osmo Vänskä score a Grammy". Star Tribune. Retrieved March 14, 2014.
Greetings, User:Titi68999. Pardon the question but may I ask why you have a sudden interest in this article? I would like to make room for our guest from Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. Those services are really rare. - SusanLesch ( talk) 23:30, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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Thanks to Baffle☿gab for finishing our big project. Much obliged. - SusanLesch ( talk) 13:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC) |
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Can you write that it's a very large city, as it's the largest city in Minnesota? Whislife ( talk) 04:41, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
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