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In the second para of the History section, the article describes Saint Anthony Falls as 'the only waterfall on the Mississippi'. This appears not to be true; the town of Little Falls, MN was built on a falls further upstream. The Saint Anthony Falls page is more equivocal about their status, describing it as 'the only natural major waterfall on the Upper Mississippi River' - that doesn't preclude lesser waterfalls, unnatural (?) waterfalls or major waterfalls on the Lower Mississippi, so that writer certainly hedged their bets!
I don't know what the best correction would be - I'm not from the area, or an expert on the river, I was doing some research on the city and noticed the discrepancy. While the falls at Little Falls may not be as large as Saint Anthony Falls, they were large enough to power saw-mills. Perhaps alter the MPLS article to read 'the only major waterfall on the Upper Mississippi'. Thoughts? Megabuck61 ( talk) 15:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Reference 6 is invalid. 24.245.45.78 ( talk) 23:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't have time to fix it myself right now, but the source given for the etymology of Dakota mni + Greek polis is broken. A new source can be found at [1]. If someone can add this, that would be great, or I'll come back sometime when I can find the time to spare. — An gr 16:56, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I've just created a (for now) severely stubby new article titled Minneapolis Pops Orchestra. Tasks:
Happy editing. Michael Hardy ( talk) 01:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
A few weeks ago, someone switched all mentions of "Dakota" to "Lakota", and I'm not sure if that was correct. Although the Lakota, along with the rest of the Sioux, originated in Minnesota, meaning they could have been the source of the name, they had been out of the area for several decades (see the map to the right, which is a fairly accurate dipiction of the situation by the early 19th century). In other words, it is somewhat counterintuitive that things in eastern Minnesota would be named for a group that was by that time about 400 miles to the west by the early 1800s. Alexius Horatius 17:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I have significantly reduced the demo section (again). Firstly, its grown beyond summary style, and secondly, it appeared oddly peppered by rather racially motivated statements that seem to continually contradict the original intent of the summary. That editor in question has in fact been blocked for similar edits on another page. While seemingly, most people should "get it" that a huge paragraph detailing immigration from across the globe to our fair city represents the fact Mpls is diverse and requires no quantification, I can see where people desire hard cold data on the topic. Also we need a better summary of demographic changes and poverty. With this model we should be able to summarize the demo section into three paragraphs A) Immigration and makeup from 1800s to now B) Demographics as they are today, under rep pops such as GLBT C) Recent significant changes, poverty, challenges for tomorrow As always a note to editors that additional data such as minute breakdowns in Census numbers really belong in the Demographics of Minneapolis page. davumaya 13:22, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
User:209.162.47.29 has added "As of 2008, the GWaC ranks Minneapolis as a "gamma +" world city" to the end of the lead paragraph twice in the last three days ( [2], [3]). While true (see Global_city#GaWC_studies), I believe the statement isn't important enough to be included in the lead. Perhaps it could be worked in to the "Economics" section with additional context (why is Minneapolis a gamma-plus city)? Mildly Mad Contribs 15:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
One of the first attempts to define, categorize, and rank global cities was made in 1998 by the Globalization and World Cities Study Group and Network (GaWC) based at the geography department of Loughborough University.
Importantly, the article states that while there is consensus for the *top* global cities, there is really no accepted standard of rankings below that, making a "Gamma" whatever rating rather superfluous and unknown at this time. What does this mean in global context? Not even the Loughborough University GaWC really knows. It's sort of an arbitrary lower category. davumaya 08:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
The same IP has added this again (and I reverted it). I left one last request for discussion on the talk page [4]. Mildly Mad T C 21:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I undid the edit that added "Twin Citian" (in reference to the Minneapolis-St. Paul area) to the Demonym field in the infobox. Since a Demonym is necessarily derived from the place name, it should not be included in this article, but might be worthy of addition in Twin Cities. Mildly Mad T C 21:57, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
This article refers to the Hiawatha Line as the "yellow line LRT". I have not heard that term used at all to describe it. I can't find any references to that term in either Hennepin County or Metro Transit documents. Nor is it mentioned in the Wiki article on the line.
Where did this term come from? I think it should be removed. T-bonham ( talk) 19:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Arts section of the article previously referred to the Guthrie as "the prototype alternative to Broadway". Although I have read that the founders were disatisfied with conditions on Broadway, and that the Guthrie opening is sometimes referred to as an "oak tree" as opposed to an "acorn" (i.e., full-grown, well-funded, using nationally known actors), I have never read or heard of the Guthrie being positioned as "the prototype alternative to Broadway" - and neither of the references cited support this. This claim tends to diminish work of theaters such as Arena Stage and the Alley Theatre, which existed prior to the Guthrie.
Please discuss here if you have support for this claim.
Bfx12a9 ( talk) 17:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
When I visit the Minneapolis page I am bewildered at the lack of GOOD skyline photos. For a city it's size it has an amazing skyline and I would figure that the article would want to shine light on that fact. Every time a decent photo is posted in the infobox it isn't long before it is re-replaced by the Lake Calhoun photo that to be honest, isn't very good. If you look up articles of cities of similar size (city and metro) almost all have a great skyline photo. And the majority of the other photos peppered in throughout the article have been there since I can remember. Maybe time to change it up and give the photos a much-needed facelift? [post by 24.196.160.175 at 14:09, 2 April 2010, moved from Talk:Minneapolis/Archive 1 - SusanLesch ( talk) 17:33, 4 April 2010 (UTC)]
Are there no numbers given for per capita and household income for the city? Or did I just miss them? Those would be useful. They're included for Wiki articles on other municipalities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.3.64.90 ( talk) 23:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Census | Pop. | Note | %± |
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1860 | 5,809 | — | |
1870 | 13,800 | 137.6% | |
1880 | 46,887 | 239.8% | |
1890 | 164,738 | 251.4% | |
1900 | 202,718 | 23.1% | |
1910 | 301,408 | 48.7% | |
1920 | 380,582 | 26.3% | |
1930 | 464,356 | 22.0% | |
1940 | 492,370 | 6.0% | |
1950 | 521,718 | 6.0% | |
1960 | 482,872 | −7.4% | |
1970 | 434,400 | −10.0% | |
1980 | 370,951 | −14.6% | |
1990 | 368,383 | −0.7% | |
2000 | 382,618 | 3.9% | |
2009 (est.) | 385,542 |
Population History | ||
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Year | Population | Number of Population in Minneapolis |
1860 | 5,809 | - |
1870 | 13,800 | - |
1880 | 46,887 | 38th |
1890 | 164,738 | 18th |
1900 | 202,718 | 19th |
1910 | 301,408 | 18th |
1920 | 380,582 | 18th |
1930 | 464,356 | 15th |
1940 | 492,370 | 16th |
1950 | 521,718 | 17th |
1960 | 482,872 | 25th |
1970 | 434,400 | 32th |
1980 | 370,951 | 34th |
1990 | 368,383 | 42th |
2000 | 382,618 | 45th |
2009 | 385,542 | 48th |
Ross Degenstein (talk) 96.3.201.230 ( talk) 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I found a new view of Minneapolis on a walk around Lake of the Isles. It is far superior to any other view of the "City of Lakes". If someone else wants to make a photo of it, that's fine (I am not tied to my version). But it's not fine to substitute run-of-the-mill skylines here. - SusanLesch ( talk) 17:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Why does the picture of the skyline have to keep being changend? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.118.218.225 ( talk) 00:26, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
The sound file for the pronunciation cuts off too soon, it only says "Minneapola". -- 76.113.192.208 ( talk) 03:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Most dates referring to 2010 are in future tense and should be changed to past tense, specifically in the transportation section.
The planned second light rail line, the Central Corridor, will share stations with the Hiawatha line in downtown Minneapolis, and then at the Downtown East/Metrodome station, travel east through the University of Minnesota, and then along University Ave. into downtown St. Paul. Construction will begin in 2010 and expected completion is in 2014.
and
Starting in 2011 the city's limit of 343 taxis will be lifted.
Has construction started on the rail line? I'll change the taxi line, but should it be kept? Silv the Something ( talk) 17:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
In the section on "Geography and Climate," it says 'the coldest temperature ever recorded was −41 °F (−41 °C), in January 1888. It is impossible to be both -41 ˚F and -41 ˚C. Which one was it?
Furthermore, Reference 30 appears to be a dead link.
The infobox back-and-forth has started again. I made a gallery of some possible choices along with comments at User:AlexiusHoratius/Minneapolis in the hope of settling on something. People can feel free to add more photos and comments if they wish there, or obviously here as well. Like I said there, don't take anything personal. Alexius Horatius 05:51, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Also I got this idea the other day from this photo in a book at Barnes & Noble - I think it was taken on Lake of the Isles. It showed plenty of the lake and trees but also much more of the buildings than I think is possible from the shore (I've tried) so I was thinking maybe in May after the leaves are out I could rent one of those boats at Lake Calhoun, paddle around L of the I until I found something promising, and get a photo that way. Alexius Horatius 06:13, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
A discrepancy I noticed: The panoramic picture of early 20th-century St. Anthony Falls claims it was taken in 1915. In the center "frame", you can clearly see the footings for the Third Avenue Bridge being put in. However, the article about said bridge states that construction began on it in 1917. I can do some research on it later tonight, but I thought I'd post it here in case anyone has a better idea of the real dates. Mildly Mad T C 19:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
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Sean, I thank you for your addition to this article. A photo of St. Mark's Episcopal Cathedral was replaced by a photo of St. Mary's. Not even St. Mary's claims it was the first basilica in North America. I think that honor belongs to Notre-Dame Basilica-Cathedral (Quebec City). In any case, this part is already in the article. The architectural captions are evenly applied to both the Roman Catholics and the Lutherans. - SusanLesch ( talk) 01:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Considering the economic and cultural importance of the Mississippi River, I think it would be an interesting tidbit to mention that the Greater Minneapolis area is the most populous metropolitan area on the entire stretch of the 2,500 mile river. -- MarioSmario ( talk) 21:59, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
According to this article, the Greater Minneapolis area is the 16h largest in the United States. But the same ranking is claimed for St.Louis, Mo. Both cities cannot be the 16th largest. -- MarioSmario ( talk) 22:02, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
What about having a section on culture? I wanted to add wikilinks to Minnesota cuisine articles, but I didn't see where the appropriate section would be. I think the food, music, and entertainment should have a section. Perhaps combined with the arts? Or separate would be okay too. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 19:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Not a word about it being the city of Omaha the Cat Dancer? 41.83.25.78 ( talk) 11:15, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
The current third paragraph of the History section (beginning "Minneapolis was rated as the most anti-semitic city in the United States up until the 1970s") seems to contain only content that is almost entirely unsupported by the one reference given. There is nothing in the cited source for the claims about Jews not being allowed to attend the U of M (in fact, there is a picture of members of a Jewish club at the U of M in 1925-1926), nor for the claims about the revision of the admission policies. The paper cites a 1946 paper for a claim that Mpls was the "capitol [sic] of anti-semitism" of the US, but there's nothing about it being "rated" such, certainly not to the 1970s. Until any of the content of this paragraph can be substantiated, I'm going to remove the entire thing, moving the reference into the section on demographics. Mundart ( talk) 07:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Highest rates in the US. This page isn't just supposed to be an advertizement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.124.145.106 ( talk) 14:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Source? Mildly Mad T C 15:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.145.179.92 ( talk) 20:07, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Are these in the box:
ZIP codes 55401 – 55487 Area code(s) 612
for the city limits of Mpls or does it include the suburbs? The city zip codes are roughly 55401 thru 55419 excluding much of 55416 plus 55454,55455 some small areas down town have: 55479, 55487, 55489 Many of those from 55420 to 55487 are in the suburbs. On the other hand the suburbs have area codes 763 and 952 area codes (and St Paul has 651) This seems a bit inconsistant. Fholson 17:32, 26 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fholson ( talk • contribs)
Hello. I received a good comment about this, and have removed the following sentence from the Media section. It's a 15-year-old nickname that is probably (not universally, and) only selectively remembered.
The New York Times said in 1996, "Now there are T-shirts that read, 'Murderapolis,'" a name for the city that members of the local media have mistakenly attributed to the paper. [1]
If someone inserts it in the future, please remove it. Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:04, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
The section "government" is largely devoted to a detailed (and not very clear) discussion of various crime rates over the last 25-100 years. My instinct is to lop this off into its own section ("Crime"? something else?). Any thoughts? -- JBL ( talk) 22:37, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Why does the comment about running races sound like an ad for Team Ortho? The Twin Cities Marathon is huge and has a prize pot that draws elites; the Minneapolis Marathon is a small no-money affair. Mentioning the Twin Cities Marathon specifically and some statistic about the large number of additional running races in the Twin Cities seems more legit, since TCM is the only world-class running event I'm aware of in the city. Also, why single out running when the local bike culture is massive? And what about other outdoor activities? Talindsay ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:20, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
The section entitled "Religion and Charity" is in dire need of updating / revision. It, perhaps purposefully, omits any discussion of Muslims and the rich tradition their faith has within the twin cities (especially with the recent immigration from East Africa). In lieu of that, it DOES have a lot of information about Evangelicalism. Which, while noteworthy as there is a high concentration of Evangelicals in the area, might explain why other faiths are left out. I would hate for the page on Mpls to display what might be seen as a subtle act of racism (privileging "white" religions over others). I would suggest either removing this section (my preferred option) if it cannot be inclusive or heavily revising / amending it. Thoughts? matthew ( talk) 17:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
The infobox collage that we had was deleted for sourcing issues, which means this is a good time to talk about infobox images. What should the infobox image display? Is a single image preferable to a collage? If a collage is the better option, what should be included in it? Below is a gallery of Minneapolis's infobox images in the past year or two for reference.
I'm in favor of a collage, but unlike image C, it ought to include more than just downtown. I'd nominate pictures of 1) the skyline 2) a lake (or maybe one of the pictures that has both), 3) the LRT (though it's already pictured in the article), 4) First Avenue, 5) Spoonbridge and Cherry, 6) The May Day Parade, 7) The Guthrie, 8) City Hall (though it's already pictured in the article), 9) skyways, 10) something religious. Thoughts? BobAmnertiopsis ∴ ChatMe! 21:41, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Barryjjoyce. This article is about Minneapolis. It is not about Minneapolis–Saint Paul. I reverted your edit and hope to avoid an edit war. You're welcome to make an argument here. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:23, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
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SusanLesch: @
Joel B. Lewis: Good discussion here folks. I'm fine with many of the changes. I've reinstated the table, so I'll explain why. These tables are a common feature (although not a universal practice) of the sports sections of city pages — see Denver, Seattle, and Dallas for a few examples. You can think of them as somewhat similar to an infobox. They help the reader identify the most prominent teams and the key features of those teams at a glance.
On a related but slightly different issue, if either or both of you are looking for ways to trim the sports section of this article, paragraphs 3, 4, and 5 — which drone on at length about the construction and demolition of various venues — would be good candidates to trim, or to move to the Sports in Minnesota article.
And I echo JBL's praise re Susan's overall contributions to this article.
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talk) 17:38, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 ( talk) 16:21, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello. Is there any reason we can't link " the city's first schoolteacher" to his article? I really don't think Hoag is the most famous person who ever lived there. So why is he the only person mentioned in the lead? In one week I'll come back to switch this link unless there are objections. - SusanLesch ( talk) 13:53, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
There have been a lot of edits recently to the images in the infobox sidebar at the top of the article. Could someone please explain what it's all about? Thanks. -- JBL ( talk) 18:49, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
The best montages "mix it up", so there should be a panorama, a pic with the river in it, a museum, another and then 2-4 other pics which represent what Minneapolis is known for. Anyway, more than willing to create it, once the pics are chosen. Oh, one other thing, if there are other pics on commons that someone prefers, simply add it to the gallery, at the end, and number it, so that we can keep references straight. Onel5969 ( talk) 16:39, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm currently working on creating a separate list of parks the parks in Minneapolis, in my sandbox. When finished, I'll probably create a separate page, such as List of Parks in Minneapolis. So far I have a few parks/lakes that already have articles, but any and all help is appreciated. -- Molandfreak (talk, contribs, email) 18:01, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you to all of the editors who updated Minneapolis population for 2014. Also my apologies for reverting some of your edits. Can anyone here give me a URL for the 2014 total? Or tell me how you used the citation to get it? I have an older Firefox that gives me an error whenever I try to adapt the page (which is a list of states) for Minneapolis city. Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 18:48, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Greetings, User:Jrt989. We seem to be missing each other so perhaps discussion is order here. I agree with you that the park board did not change the name of Lake Calhoun. Thank you for reverting about 45 of my edits on linked pages. I agree that Bde Maka Ska looks like a separate lake in a list, and that that won't do. I disagree, however, with your edit summary which says using the original Dakota name is WP:ADVOCACY. I asked an independent third party and his opinion is that there's no problem with including the Dakota name here. He said that maybe parentheses around it might help our disagreement. Do you agree with his assessment? - SusanLesch ( talk) 22:23, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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What is wrong with explaining more about the basis of Japanese American and Native American relocations to Minneapolis in the 1940s and 1950s, respectively? It appears Japanese Americans moved to Minneapolis as part of voluntary relocation, to avoid the internment camps. (more research) Rather than simply listing that there were all these groups, explaining how and why people ended up there adds to the history of the city. It's part of US history, and I don't see either relocation covered elsewhere in the article. For one thing, it shows that places can be affected by policies made in distant areas, including the national capital. Parkwells ( talk) 01:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
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Greetings User:Magnolia677. Thank you, a couple of your edits to picture buildings were very helpful. I only changed the layout per MOS:IMAGES to reflect the left and right layout of the whole page. However I disagreed with your removal of two photos: one of the American Refugee Committee offices and one of the Minnesota Lynx. Both pertain to Minneapolis and not to any other city. Hope this helps. - SusanLesch ( talk) 22:15, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
User:Magnolia677, I have to go back to other obligations and am still waiting for anybody else to weigh in. For now, I went back to include a photo by Joe B. (a five year old image). I put your new pic of Williams Arena back into the list of UofM stadiums where it belongs. Regarding my celebration shot, I doubt that is Maya Moore with Augustus (somebody dyed their ponytail blue and I don't remember that it was Moore). I also cropped my photo of the American Refugee Committee office. You'd have to strain your eyes to read them but compliance manuals are more clearly visible for Myanmar, Rwanda, South Sudan and Somalia. Commons might take some time to purge the old view. Hope this helps. We can fix the sandwiching image issue after this disagreement has been resolved. - SusanLesch ( talk) 13:47, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
3O Response: I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on The Matrix (film) and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. This seems to be a disagreement about a number of things, but the main problem stems from whether or not to include File:ARC office 20170119.JPG. Minneapolis is a featured article that has way too many images already. Images that are added to the article should be carefully selected, provide great EV, and serve a purpose; this photo misses the mark on all three. There are hundreds if not thousands of offices that look just like that across America, so there is no information gained by including the image. Nihlus 20:28, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Magnolia677: You seem to have very strong opinions about images so to avoid conflict could you kindly OK these three changes:
All right with you? Possibly the three professional team stadiums could be in a gallery too but I think for now that shrinking the UofM stadiums is enough. - SusanLesch ( talk) 13:26, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, I get the point of why you reverted that, but I did consider that question (future plan), and compared other examples. For instance, on the Minneapolis page it mentions the future home of the soccer team. On film pages or entertainment pages, it often mentions projects that are in the works. I feel like there's a threshold that makes it valid to include, and that threshold has to be with the importance of the future event (in this case related to a public interest good that is a small step towards undoing many years of harm toward Native Americans) and the public announcement/decision-making. I've seen elsewhere on wikipedia many future things stated that were much less substantiated and less important. I know there isn't a guarantee of optimal policy always having been enacted, and so other content isn't always a basis. I would like to see Wikipedia err on the side of inclusion in areas where there is significant under-representation. Thanks for listening! (please let me know any other steps with this talk process, haven't done this before). - ClarityKTMpls — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClarityKTMpls ( talk • contribs) 03:30, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
I have been blind to this topic but I see it now. Any help you can offer rectifying this oversight would be appreciated. - SusanLesch ( talk) 21:18, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
There is some good content in the article, but, like so many other articles with multiple contributors, there is overlap/duplication (i.e. same info in different sections) which should be reviewed and edited. The overall article doesn't seem to "flow" well--part of this may be the way the images are put into the article in my browser. Are there editors/contributors who would like to coordinate doing some clean up and editing?
There are several issues with the page which a small group could fix up pretty easily.
E.g. Politics, culture, and demographics are somewhat scattered between sections, and, like in real life, are a bit messy.
An editorial discussion is needed about whether/which of the scattered more focused topics should be in a separate linked article vs. in this article, or both (i.e. have the topic/content in this article, but also link to the other article). For example, there are existing articles which list the neighborhoods and another enumerates the lakes which are both areas which likely would be germane to this article, but which likely would be at a level of detail that would get in the way of reading this article.
The Economist reported that Minneapolis is the 3rd most expensive city in North America. If you wish to dispute that, please make your case here on the talk page before removing material. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:09, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
While reading the article, I noticed a few sections that seem to be giving more attention than appropriate to certain minor events in contrast to the guidelines found in Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. The particular guideline I'm looking at is "History sections can easily become very long with more detail than appropriate for a general overview." In some places the sections here are too detailed or cover incidents too minor for a "general overview," in some sections the information is inaccurate/misleading, and in others the information doesn't belong. I'd like to begin a discussion on removing or re-writing the following sections.
Under Bigotry and corruption:
The section itself was added very recently. About half of the text was moved there from another already-existing section previously titled "Corruption, social movements, urban renewal," and the other half is new content. The new content is what I believe doesn't fit with the Guideline.
Under Parks and recreation:
There are quite a few issues with this one. First, discussions on race aren't appropriate for this section. Second, the accusation of racism is inaccurate, uncited or poorly cited, and not shown in the data.
The section currently uses "The majority of park visitors are non-Hispanic white," as part of its citation of a racist history. However, the demographics of Minneapolis show that the city was 60.3% non-Hispanic white as of 2010. It is quite literally impossible for the majority of park visitors to be anything but non-Hispanic white as the demographics do not support any other distribution. A citation is provided for this section to support the claim of racism in attendance numbers, however the citation itself has issues. The citation does not discuss Minneapolis, only state-wide Minnesota numbers, and most importantly the citation does not include any citations itself for those numbers. It does talk about "A 2013 Minnesota Department of Natural Resources report," however that report is not provided. A 2014 Metro council report is, but that report does not cover the issue at hand. Using this as proof of racism is misleading and inaccurate.
Furthermore, the section shares a citation with the previously discussed section on housing discrimination as "The greatest concentration of property with such covenants fronted parkland." Again, a 1.5% rate of discrimination is not significant enough to be discussed in a general overview. To take this further, just because most of these discriminatory lots fronted park land does not mean that most park land in the city was affected. No data or citation is provided to show that a significant amount of parks were affected.
It appears that one of the last article versions without these sections was a June 30th 2018 revision. Too many revisions have occurred since then for a blanket revert to that date, and I'm not capable of removing them myself as some of the sections have images and such that I'm unsure about removing correctly without screwing up the page formatting. Even if I could edit the article, I have no desire to start an edit war, hence my coming here to open the discussion.
Again, it looks like these sections merit removal for going beyond the "general overview" from the Guidelines. CheeseburgerWithFries ( talk) 00:33, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi, CheeseburgerWithFries. Thank you for your feedback, and especially for the pointer to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. The guideline for history sections is up to 10 paragraphs and Minneapolis was up to about 12. I agree that many details can be moved to History of Minneapolis. However I do not agree with your characterization of the former version.
When I get back home I can work on this. I can easily condense two paragraphs down to a few sentences. Why does it make any sense to include 150 words about anti-Semitism and delete other documented forms of discrimination? - SusanLesch ( talk) 13:27, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
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In the second para of the History section, the article describes Saint Anthony Falls as 'the only waterfall on the Mississippi'. This appears not to be true; the town of Little Falls, MN was built on a falls further upstream. The Saint Anthony Falls page is more equivocal about their status, describing it as 'the only natural major waterfall on the Upper Mississippi River' - that doesn't preclude lesser waterfalls, unnatural (?) waterfalls or major waterfalls on the Lower Mississippi, so that writer certainly hedged their bets!
I don't know what the best correction would be - I'm not from the area, or an expert on the river, I was doing some research on the city and noticed the discrepancy. While the falls at Little Falls may not be as large as Saint Anthony Falls, they were large enough to power saw-mills. Perhaps alter the MPLS article to read 'the only major waterfall on the Upper Mississippi'. Thoughts? Megabuck61 ( talk) 15:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Reference 6 is invalid. 24.245.45.78 ( talk) 23:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't have time to fix it myself right now, but the source given for the etymology of Dakota mni + Greek polis is broken. A new source can be found at [1]. If someone can add this, that would be great, or I'll come back sometime when I can find the time to spare. — An gr 16:56, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I've just created a (for now) severely stubby new article titled Minneapolis Pops Orchestra. Tasks:
Happy editing. Michael Hardy ( talk) 01:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
A few weeks ago, someone switched all mentions of "Dakota" to "Lakota", and I'm not sure if that was correct. Although the Lakota, along with the rest of the Sioux, originated in Minnesota, meaning they could have been the source of the name, they had been out of the area for several decades (see the map to the right, which is a fairly accurate dipiction of the situation by the early 19th century). In other words, it is somewhat counterintuitive that things in eastern Minnesota would be named for a group that was by that time about 400 miles to the west by the early 1800s. Alexius Horatius 17:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I have significantly reduced the demo section (again). Firstly, its grown beyond summary style, and secondly, it appeared oddly peppered by rather racially motivated statements that seem to continually contradict the original intent of the summary. That editor in question has in fact been blocked for similar edits on another page. While seemingly, most people should "get it" that a huge paragraph detailing immigration from across the globe to our fair city represents the fact Mpls is diverse and requires no quantification, I can see where people desire hard cold data on the topic. Also we need a better summary of demographic changes and poverty. With this model we should be able to summarize the demo section into three paragraphs A) Immigration and makeup from 1800s to now B) Demographics as they are today, under rep pops such as GLBT C) Recent significant changes, poverty, challenges for tomorrow As always a note to editors that additional data such as minute breakdowns in Census numbers really belong in the Demographics of Minneapolis page. davumaya 13:22, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
User:209.162.47.29 has added "As of 2008, the GWaC ranks Minneapolis as a "gamma +" world city" to the end of the lead paragraph twice in the last three days ( [2], [3]). While true (see Global_city#GaWC_studies), I believe the statement isn't important enough to be included in the lead. Perhaps it could be worked in to the "Economics" section with additional context (why is Minneapolis a gamma-plus city)? Mildly Mad Contribs 15:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
One of the first attempts to define, categorize, and rank global cities was made in 1998 by the Globalization and World Cities Study Group and Network (GaWC) based at the geography department of Loughborough University.
Importantly, the article states that while there is consensus for the *top* global cities, there is really no accepted standard of rankings below that, making a "Gamma" whatever rating rather superfluous and unknown at this time. What does this mean in global context? Not even the Loughborough University GaWC really knows. It's sort of an arbitrary lower category. davumaya 08:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
The same IP has added this again (and I reverted it). I left one last request for discussion on the talk page [4]. Mildly Mad T C 21:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I undid the edit that added "Twin Citian" (in reference to the Minneapolis-St. Paul area) to the Demonym field in the infobox. Since a Demonym is necessarily derived from the place name, it should not be included in this article, but might be worthy of addition in Twin Cities. Mildly Mad T C 21:57, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
This article refers to the Hiawatha Line as the "yellow line LRT". I have not heard that term used at all to describe it. I can't find any references to that term in either Hennepin County or Metro Transit documents. Nor is it mentioned in the Wiki article on the line.
Where did this term come from? I think it should be removed. T-bonham ( talk) 19:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Arts section of the article previously referred to the Guthrie as "the prototype alternative to Broadway". Although I have read that the founders were disatisfied with conditions on Broadway, and that the Guthrie opening is sometimes referred to as an "oak tree" as opposed to an "acorn" (i.e., full-grown, well-funded, using nationally known actors), I have never read or heard of the Guthrie being positioned as "the prototype alternative to Broadway" - and neither of the references cited support this. This claim tends to diminish work of theaters such as Arena Stage and the Alley Theatre, which existed prior to the Guthrie.
Please discuss here if you have support for this claim.
Bfx12a9 ( talk) 17:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
When I visit the Minneapolis page I am bewildered at the lack of GOOD skyline photos. For a city it's size it has an amazing skyline and I would figure that the article would want to shine light on that fact. Every time a decent photo is posted in the infobox it isn't long before it is re-replaced by the Lake Calhoun photo that to be honest, isn't very good. If you look up articles of cities of similar size (city and metro) almost all have a great skyline photo. And the majority of the other photos peppered in throughout the article have been there since I can remember. Maybe time to change it up and give the photos a much-needed facelift? [post by 24.196.160.175 at 14:09, 2 April 2010, moved from Talk:Minneapolis/Archive 1 - SusanLesch ( talk) 17:33, 4 April 2010 (UTC)]
Are there no numbers given for per capita and household income for the city? Or did I just miss them? Those would be useful. They're included for Wiki articles on other municipalities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.3.64.90 ( talk) 23:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Census | Pop. | Note | %± |
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1860 | 5,809 | — | |
1870 | 13,800 | 137.6% | |
1880 | 46,887 | 239.8% | |
1890 | 164,738 | 251.4% | |
1900 | 202,718 | 23.1% | |
1910 | 301,408 | 48.7% | |
1920 | 380,582 | 26.3% | |
1930 | 464,356 | 22.0% | |
1940 | 492,370 | 6.0% | |
1950 | 521,718 | 6.0% | |
1960 | 482,872 | −7.4% | |
1970 | 434,400 | −10.0% | |
1980 | 370,951 | −14.6% | |
1990 | 368,383 | −0.7% | |
2000 | 382,618 | 3.9% | |
2009 (est.) | 385,542 |
Population History | ||
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Year | Population | Number of Population in Minneapolis |
1860 | 5,809 | - |
1870 | 13,800 | - |
1880 | 46,887 | 38th |
1890 | 164,738 | 18th |
1900 | 202,718 | 19th |
1910 | 301,408 | 18th |
1920 | 380,582 | 18th |
1930 | 464,356 | 15th |
1940 | 492,370 | 16th |
1950 | 521,718 | 17th |
1960 | 482,872 | 25th |
1970 | 434,400 | 32th |
1980 | 370,951 | 34th |
1990 | 368,383 | 42th |
2000 | 382,618 | 45th |
2009 | 385,542 | 48th |
Ross Degenstein (talk) 96.3.201.230 ( talk) 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I found a new view of Minneapolis on a walk around Lake of the Isles. It is far superior to any other view of the "City of Lakes". If someone else wants to make a photo of it, that's fine (I am not tied to my version). But it's not fine to substitute run-of-the-mill skylines here. - SusanLesch ( talk) 17:31, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Why does the picture of the skyline have to keep being changend? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.118.218.225 ( talk) 00:26, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
The sound file for the pronunciation cuts off too soon, it only says "Minneapola". -- 76.113.192.208 ( talk) 03:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Most dates referring to 2010 are in future tense and should be changed to past tense, specifically in the transportation section.
The planned second light rail line, the Central Corridor, will share stations with the Hiawatha line in downtown Minneapolis, and then at the Downtown East/Metrodome station, travel east through the University of Minnesota, and then along University Ave. into downtown St. Paul. Construction will begin in 2010 and expected completion is in 2014.
and
Starting in 2011 the city's limit of 343 taxis will be lifted.
Has construction started on the rail line? I'll change the taxi line, but should it be kept? Silv the Something ( talk) 17:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
In the section on "Geography and Climate," it says 'the coldest temperature ever recorded was −41 °F (−41 °C), in January 1888. It is impossible to be both -41 ˚F and -41 ˚C. Which one was it?
Furthermore, Reference 30 appears to be a dead link.
The infobox back-and-forth has started again. I made a gallery of some possible choices along with comments at User:AlexiusHoratius/Minneapolis in the hope of settling on something. People can feel free to add more photos and comments if they wish there, or obviously here as well. Like I said there, don't take anything personal. Alexius Horatius 05:51, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Also I got this idea the other day from this photo in a book at Barnes & Noble - I think it was taken on Lake of the Isles. It showed plenty of the lake and trees but also much more of the buildings than I think is possible from the shore (I've tried) so I was thinking maybe in May after the leaves are out I could rent one of those boats at Lake Calhoun, paddle around L of the I until I found something promising, and get a photo that way. Alexius Horatius 06:13, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
A discrepancy I noticed: The panoramic picture of early 20th-century St. Anthony Falls claims it was taken in 1915. In the center "frame", you can clearly see the footings for the Third Avenue Bridge being put in. However, the article about said bridge states that construction began on it in 1917. I can do some research on it later tonight, but I thought I'd post it here in case anyone has a better idea of the real dates. Mildly Mad T C 19:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
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Sean, I thank you for your addition to this article. A photo of St. Mark's Episcopal Cathedral was replaced by a photo of St. Mary's. Not even St. Mary's claims it was the first basilica in North America. I think that honor belongs to Notre-Dame Basilica-Cathedral (Quebec City). In any case, this part is already in the article. The architectural captions are evenly applied to both the Roman Catholics and the Lutherans. - SusanLesch ( talk) 01:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Considering the economic and cultural importance of the Mississippi River, I think it would be an interesting tidbit to mention that the Greater Minneapolis area is the most populous metropolitan area on the entire stretch of the 2,500 mile river. -- MarioSmario ( talk) 21:59, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
According to this article, the Greater Minneapolis area is the 16h largest in the United States. But the same ranking is claimed for St.Louis, Mo. Both cities cannot be the 16th largest. -- MarioSmario ( talk) 22:02, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
What about having a section on culture? I wanted to add wikilinks to Minnesota cuisine articles, but I didn't see where the appropriate section would be. I think the food, music, and entertainment should have a section. Perhaps combined with the arts? Or separate would be okay too. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 19:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Not a word about it being the city of Omaha the Cat Dancer? 41.83.25.78 ( talk) 11:15, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
The current third paragraph of the History section (beginning "Minneapolis was rated as the most anti-semitic city in the United States up until the 1970s") seems to contain only content that is almost entirely unsupported by the one reference given. There is nothing in the cited source for the claims about Jews not being allowed to attend the U of M (in fact, there is a picture of members of a Jewish club at the U of M in 1925-1926), nor for the claims about the revision of the admission policies. The paper cites a 1946 paper for a claim that Mpls was the "capitol [sic] of anti-semitism" of the US, but there's nothing about it being "rated" such, certainly not to the 1970s. Until any of the content of this paragraph can be substantiated, I'm going to remove the entire thing, moving the reference into the section on demographics. Mundart ( talk) 07:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Highest rates in the US. This page isn't just supposed to be an advertizement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.124.145.106 ( talk) 14:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Source? Mildly Mad T C 15:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.145.179.92 ( talk) 20:07, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Are these in the box:
ZIP codes 55401 – 55487 Area code(s) 612
for the city limits of Mpls or does it include the suburbs? The city zip codes are roughly 55401 thru 55419 excluding much of 55416 plus 55454,55455 some small areas down town have: 55479, 55487, 55489 Many of those from 55420 to 55487 are in the suburbs. On the other hand the suburbs have area codes 763 and 952 area codes (and St Paul has 651) This seems a bit inconsistant. Fholson 17:32, 26 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fholson ( talk • contribs)
Hello. I received a good comment about this, and have removed the following sentence from the Media section. It's a 15-year-old nickname that is probably (not universally, and) only selectively remembered.
The New York Times said in 1996, "Now there are T-shirts that read, 'Murderapolis,'" a name for the city that members of the local media have mistakenly attributed to the paper. [1]
If someone inserts it in the future, please remove it. Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:04, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
The section "government" is largely devoted to a detailed (and not very clear) discussion of various crime rates over the last 25-100 years. My instinct is to lop this off into its own section ("Crime"? something else?). Any thoughts? -- JBL ( talk) 22:37, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Why does the comment about running races sound like an ad for Team Ortho? The Twin Cities Marathon is huge and has a prize pot that draws elites; the Minneapolis Marathon is a small no-money affair. Mentioning the Twin Cities Marathon specifically and some statistic about the large number of additional running races in the Twin Cities seems more legit, since TCM is the only world-class running event I'm aware of in the city. Also, why single out running when the local bike culture is massive? And what about other outdoor activities? Talindsay ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:20, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
The section entitled "Religion and Charity" is in dire need of updating / revision. It, perhaps purposefully, omits any discussion of Muslims and the rich tradition their faith has within the twin cities (especially with the recent immigration from East Africa). In lieu of that, it DOES have a lot of information about Evangelicalism. Which, while noteworthy as there is a high concentration of Evangelicals in the area, might explain why other faiths are left out. I would hate for the page on Mpls to display what might be seen as a subtle act of racism (privileging "white" religions over others). I would suggest either removing this section (my preferred option) if it cannot be inclusive or heavily revising / amending it. Thoughts? matthew ( talk) 17:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
The infobox collage that we had was deleted for sourcing issues, which means this is a good time to talk about infobox images. What should the infobox image display? Is a single image preferable to a collage? If a collage is the better option, what should be included in it? Below is a gallery of Minneapolis's infobox images in the past year or two for reference.
I'm in favor of a collage, but unlike image C, it ought to include more than just downtown. I'd nominate pictures of 1) the skyline 2) a lake (or maybe one of the pictures that has both), 3) the LRT (though it's already pictured in the article), 4) First Avenue, 5) Spoonbridge and Cherry, 6) The May Day Parade, 7) The Guthrie, 8) City Hall (though it's already pictured in the article), 9) skyways, 10) something religious. Thoughts? BobAmnertiopsis ∴ ChatMe! 21:41, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Barryjjoyce. This article is about Minneapolis. It is not about Minneapolis–Saint Paul. I reverted your edit and hope to avoid an edit war. You're welcome to make an argument here. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:23, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
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SusanLesch: @
Joel B. Lewis: Good discussion here folks. I'm fine with many of the changes. I've reinstated the table, so I'll explain why. These tables are a common feature (although not a universal practice) of the sports sections of city pages — see Denver, Seattle, and Dallas for a few examples. You can think of them as somewhat similar to an infobox. They help the reader identify the most prominent teams and the key features of those teams at a glance.
On a related but slightly different issue, if either or both of you are looking for ways to trim the sports section of this article, paragraphs 3, 4, and 5 — which drone on at length about the construction and demolition of various venues — would be good candidates to trim, or to move to the Sports in Minnesota article.
And I echo JBL's praise re Susan's overall contributions to this article.
Barryjjoyce (
talk) 17:38, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 ( talk) 16:21, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello. Is there any reason we can't link " the city's first schoolteacher" to his article? I really don't think Hoag is the most famous person who ever lived there. So why is he the only person mentioned in the lead? In one week I'll come back to switch this link unless there are objections. - SusanLesch ( talk) 13:53, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
There have been a lot of edits recently to the images in the infobox sidebar at the top of the article. Could someone please explain what it's all about? Thanks. -- JBL ( talk) 18:49, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
The best montages "mix it up", so there should be a panorama, a pic with the river in it, a museum, another and then 2-4 other pics which represent what Minneapolis is known for. Anyway, more than willing to create it, once the pics are chosen. Oh, one other thing, if there are other pics on commons that someone prefers, simply add it to the gallery, at the end, and number it, so that we can keep references straight. Onel5969 ( talk) 16:39, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm currently working on creating a separate list of parks the parks in Minneapolis, in my sandbox. When finished, I'll probably create a separate page, such as List of Parks in Minneapolis. So far I have a few parks/lakes that already have articles, but any and all help is appreciated. -- Molandfreak (talk, contribs, email) 18:01, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you to all of the editors who updated Minneapolis population for 2014. Also my apologies for reverting some of your edits. Can anyone here give me a URL for the 2014 total? Or tell me how you used the citation to get it? I have an older Firefox that gives me an error whenever I try to adapt the page (which is a list of states) for Minneapolis city. Thank you. - SusanLesch ( talk) 18:48, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Greetings, User:Jrt989. We seem to be missing each other so perhaps discussion is order here. I agree with you that the park board did not change the name of Lake Calhoun. Thank you for reverting about 45 of my edits on linked pages. I agree that Bde Maka Ska looks like a separate lake in a list, and that that won't do. I disagree, however, with your edit summary which says using the original Dakota name is WP:ADVOCACY. I asked an independent third party and his opinion is that there's no problem with including the Dakota name here. He said that maybe parentheses around it might help our disagreement. Do you agree with his assessment? - SusanLesch ( talk) 22:23, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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What is wrong with explaining more about the basis of Japanese American and Native American relocations to Minneapolis in the 1940s and 1950s, respectively? It appears Japanese Americans moved to Minneapolis as part of voluntary relocation, to avoid the internment camps. (more research) Rather than simply listing that there were all these groups, explaining how and why people ended up there adds to the history of the city. It's part of US history, and I don't see either relocation covered elsewhere in the article. For one thing, it shows that places can be affected by policies made in distant areas, including the national capital. Parkwells ( talk) 01:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
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The [ of style] says The article linked to should correspond to the term showing as the link as closely as possible given the context, and the link must be as intuitive as possible. It should be obvious to anyone that a link to Charles Hoag hiding behind the text "city's first schoolteacher" violates both of these simple guidelines. There is never a good reason to obscure the target of a link in this way.
Furthermore, if you are reverting someone else's work, it is shockingly rude not to explain why. The edit summaries " Thank you Jrt, restore lead" and " Undid, please discuss on the talk page." offer absolutely no clue as to why you thought it was necessary to violate style guidelines and destroy someone else's work. If you have a reason to undo an edit, explain it in the edit summary. If you don't, then don't revert. 46.37.55.86 ( talk) 21:44, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
It's been explained now, here on the talk page, and I think that should suffice. Jonathunder ( talk) 23:14, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
There have been a couple of exchanged edits about whether the sentence "Winters are cold and snowy, while summers are warm with moderate to high humidity" should be removed or not. I initially restored it, as a reasonable lay summary of some more technical discussion that follows. I don't feel strongly about it, but I thought it is worth seeing if there is consensus either way. The explanation of the other user is on my talk page here. -- JBL ( talk) 19:49, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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Greetings User:Magnolia677. Thank you, a couple of your edits to picture buildings were very helpful. I only changed the layout per MOS:IMAGES to reflect the left and right layout of the whole page. However I disagreed with your removal of two photos: one of the American Refugee Committee offices and one of the Minnesota Lynx. Both pertain to Minneapolis and not to any other city. Hope this helps. - SusanLesch ( talk) 22:15, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
User:Magnolia677, I have to go back to other obligations and am still waiting for anybody else to weigh in. For now, I went back to include a photo by Joe B. (a five year old image). I put your new pic of Williams Arena back into the list of UofM stadiums where it belongs. Regarding my celebration shot, I doubt that is Maya Moore with Augustus (somebody dyed their ponytail blue and I don't remember that it was Moore). I also cropped my photo of the American Refugee Committee office. You'd have to strain your eyes to read them but compliance manuals are more clearly visible for Myanmar, Rwanda, South Sudan and Somalia. Commons might take some time to purge the old view. Hope this helps. We can fix the sandwiching image issue after this disagreement has been resolved. - SusanLesch ( talk) 13:47, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
3O Response: I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on The Matrix (film) and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. This seems to be a disagreement about a number of things, but the main problem stems from whether or not to include File:ARC office 20170119.JPG. Minneapolis is a featured article that has way too many images already. Images that are added to the article should be carefully selected, provide great EV, and serve a purpose; this photo misses the mark on all three. There are hundreds if not thousands of offices that look just like that across America, so there is no information gained by including the image. Nihlus 20:28, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Magnolia677: You seem to have very strong opinions about images so to avoid conflict could you kindly OK these three changes:
All right with you? Possibly the three professional team stadiums could be in a gallery too but I think for now that shrinking the UofM stadiums is enough. - SusanLesch ( talk) 13:26, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, I get the point of why you reverted that, but I did consider that question (future plan), and compared other examples. For instance, on the Minneapolis page it mentions the future home of the soccer team. On film pages or entertainment pages, it often mentions projects that are in the works. I feel like there's a threshold that makes it valid to include, and that threshold has to be with the importance of the future event (in this case related to a public interest good that is a small step towards undoing many years of harm toward Native Americans) and the public announcement/decision-making. I've seen elsewhere on wikipedia many future things stated that were much less substantiated and less important. I know there isn't a guarantee of optimal policy always having been enacted, and so other content isn't always a basis. I would like to see Wikipedia err on the side of inclusion in areas where there is significant under-representation. Thanks for listening! (please let me know any other steps with this talk process, haven't done this before). - ClarityKTMpls — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClarityKTMpls ( talk • contribs) 03:30, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
I have been blind to this topic but I see it now. Any help you can offer rectifying this oversight would be appreciated. - SusanLesch ( talk) 21:18, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
There is some good content in the article, but, like so many other articles with multiple contributors, there is overlap/duplication (i.e. same info in different sections) which should be reviewed and edited. The overall article doesn't seem to "flow" well--part of this may be the way the images are put into the article in my browser. Are there editors/contributors who would like to coordinate doing some clean up and editing?
There are several issues with the page which a small group could fix up pretty easily.
E.g. Politics, culture, and demographics are somewhat scattered between sections, and, like in real life, are a bit messy.
An editorial discussion is needed about whether/which of the scattered more focused topics should be in a separate linked article vs. in this article, or both (i.e. have the topic/content in this article, but also link to the other article). For example, there are existing articles which list the neighborhoods and another enumerates the lakes which are both areas which likely would be germane to this article, but which likely would be at a level of detail that would get in the way of reading this article.
The Economist reported that Minneapolis is the 3rd most expensive city in North America. If you wish to dispute that, please make your case here on the talk page before removing material. - SusanLesch ( talk) 15:09, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
While reading the article, I noticed a few sections that seem to be giving more attention than appropriate to certain minor events in contrast to the guidelines found in Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. The particular guideline I'm looking at is "History sections can easily become very long with more detail than appropriate for a general overview." In some places the sections here are too detailed or cover incidents too minor for a "general overview," in some sections the information is inaccurate/misleading, and in others the information doesn't belong. I'd like to begin a discussion on removing or re-writing the following sections.
Under Bigotry and corruption:
The section itself was added very recently. About half of the text was moved there from another already-existing section previously titled "Corruption, social movements, urban renewal," and the other half is new content. The new content is what I believe doesn't fit with the Guideline.
Under Parks and recreation:
There are quite a few issues with this one. First, discussions on race aren't appropriate for this section. Second, the accusation of racism is inaccurate, uncited or poorly cited, and not shown in the data.
The section currently uses "The majority of park visitors are non-Hispanic white," as part of its citation of a racist history. However, the demographics of Minneapolis show that the city was 60.3% non-Hispanic white as of 2010. It is quite literally impossible for the majority of park visitors to be anything but non-Hispanic white as the demographics do not support any other distribution. A citation is provided for this section to support the claim of racism in attendance numbers, however the citation itself has issues. The citation does not discuss Minneapolis, only state-wide Minnesota numbers, and most importantly the citation does not include any citations itself for those numbers. It does talk about "A 2013 Minnesota Department of Natural Resources report," however that report is not provided. A 2014 Metro council report is, but that report does not cover the issue at hand. Using this as proof of racism is misleading and inaccurate.
Furthermore, the section shares a citation with the previously discussed section on housing discrimination as "The greatest concentration of property with such covenants fronted parkland." Again, a 1.5% rate of discrimination is not significant enough to be discussed in a general overview. To take this further, just because most of these discriminatory lots fronted park land does not mean that most park land in the city was affected. No data or citation is provided to show that a significant amount of parks were affected.
It appears that one of the last article versions without these sections was a June 30th 2018 revision. Too many revisions have occurred since then for a blanket revert to that date, and I'm not capable of removing them myself as some of the sections have images and such that I'm unsure about removing correctly without screwing up the page formatting. Even if I could edit the article, I have no desire to start an edit war, hence my coming here to open the discussion.
Again, it looks like these sections merit removal for going beyond the "general overview" from the Guidelines. CheeseburgerWithFries ( talk) 00:33, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi, CheeseburgerWithFries. Thank you for your feedback, and especially for the pointer to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. The guideline for history sections is up to 10 paragraphs and Minneapolis was up to about 12. I agree that many details can be moved to History of Minneapolis. However I do not agree with your characterization of the former version.
When I get back home I can work on this. I can easily condense two paragraphs down to a few sentences. Why does it make any sense to include 150 words about anti-Semitism and delete other documented forms of discrimination? - SusanLesch ( talk) 13:27, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
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