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This article should mention the controversy at the 2005 Melbourne Grand Prix. I can find much talk on the internet but so far nothing telling me just what the problem was. — Hippietrail 23:44, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Article says Minardi have finished "4th three times - Martini twice and Fittipaldi once". What about the US GP 2005, when only six cars entered? -- Nope. They came 5th and 6th, with Ferrari and Jordanski taking the top 4 places. Damian Corrigan 01:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Contrary to what Paul might think, there WAS life before Stoddart. Can anyone add anything?
While an Italian may tell you that 'scuderia' means 'stable', it has come to mean 'racing team' in recent years, and the appropriate translation here is 'racing' as it is intended to be translation of Red Bull's other team. I have changed it accordingly.
Scuderia does indeed mean "stable". I take this to be a historical continuation of the term "stable" and in "horse-racing stable".
Do we consider the Euro F3000 Minardi team (see www.minarditeam.com) to be a proper part of this article?
On the one hand, the article should not logically be limited to F1 only - we've already got a bit of material on Minardi's pre F1 activities, Giancarlo Minardi is involved with the team, which team does have the legal rights to the name Minardi, in Euro F3000 at least. And there's actually something to write about because they are competing at present.
On the other hand, Mr Minardi's involvement is fairly minimal, I don't believe there's much connection in terms of personnel or location between 'old' Minardi and 'new' Minardi and I suspect, although I don't know, that Paul Stoddart's attempt to enter a Minardi team in F1 from 2008 means that he may still own the rights to use the name in F1.
I guess the logical thing to do is to treat the 'new' Minardi as part of this article for now and see how things develop. 4u1e 18:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Minardi is the current improvement drive candidate for portal:Formula One. The aim is to get the article to WP:GA status by August 13, 2006. Please feel free to help out in any way you can - references, as ever, are probably the biggest shortcoming, followed by more detail on the pre-Stoddart years and a results table. 4u1e 08:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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In summary - needs properly referencing and the pre-Stoddart history filling out. The wording can then be polished to a higher standard. I don't reckon that's too bad a job to take on!
4u1e
21:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
This article failed the GA nominations due to lack of references.
The ideal would of course be to have some hard copy sources. If anyone has some old Autosports tucked away they would supply a good source of information, as would any Autocourse or similar season reviews. It should be possible to do a fair job with the online sources available though. I would suggest:
Obviously you should not just cut and paste, these can only be sources of information. Cheers. 4u1e
Question from Aprithvi: How to handle results table when drivers change during the season? The only one I've done so far is at Fittipaldi Automotive, where for most of its history there was only one driver anyway - the only time drivers swapped was in it's first season, and I've just covered that by having a second row, which fits easily in the table. Minardi will have some seasons with (off the top of my head) up to 4 drivers having competed for it. We could add extra rows to account for this - which will make it clear who drove for the team when, but it makes the table a lot bigger. Aprithvi has suggested (and is currently implementing!) a table that lists '1st driver', '2nd driver' and leaves it at that. I suggest a slight modification, give the names where it stayed the same through the season. Where there was a change, put 'various' in the driver name space and footnote it to specify who drove when. It's a bit more work, but conveys a lot more information. That's my take anyway - anyone got another idea? This would look like:
Year | Main Drivers | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | Points | Constructors |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
2005 | Albers |
AUS Ret |
MYS 13 |
BAH 13 |
SMR Ret |
ESP Ret |
MON 14 |
EUR 17 |
CAN 11 |
USA 5 |
FRA Ret |
GBR 18 |
DEU 13 |
HUN NC |
TUR Ret |
ITA 19 |
BEL 12 |
BRA 14 |
JPN 16 |
CHN 16 |
7 | 10th |
Various [1] | 17 | Ret | 12 | Ret | Ret | Ret | 18 | Ret | 6 | Ret | 19 | 18 | Ret | 13 | 18 | 13 | Ret | 14 | 14 |
Notes: [1] Patrick Friesacher drove the second Minardi from the Australian to the British Grands Prix. Robert Doornbos then took over the car until the end of the season.
What do you think?
4u1e
06:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
The Results table seems to be too long (Minardi have been in F1 for 20 years). How about we just display the last 5 seasons and show the entire table on a separate page? Aprithvi 11:26, 31st July 2006 (UTC)
Don't think this is quite there yet. Aprithvi has done excellent work on the results table, but the words still need a bit of expansion and referencing. I'll keep working on it when I have time and maybe it can go in later. -- 4u1e 19:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
How about somewhere mentioning the two seater, and the fact that the operation continues to run under the Minardi F1 banner, and as part of Stoddard business groups.. http://www.minardif1x2.com 192.102.214.6 15:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
If there has to be a summary of events after Minardi was sold to Red Bull, there needs to be some clarification that there is very little connection indeed between the two outfits. Minardi built their own car, for a start. Let's not pretend Toro Rosso's success is not wholly down to the extra money, the customer chassis and the expensive engines, not from any link to the Minardi days. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 13:23, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
The USA GP 2005 was not boycotted my Michelin shod teams. In fact, Michelin issued a safety notice that stated that the tyre compound that they were using was not safe to use, therefore, unless a chicane was put on the final turn, teams agreed to slow for that turn or an alternate compound was allowed, the tyre wouldnt be issued, thus, the teams couldnt race......far from a boycott, the teams wanted to race but didnt want to risk the lives of their drivers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mowerman437 ( talk • contribs) 08:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
"Significantly, if Eddie Irvine, who placed 7th at that race, had been able to pass Gené, he would ultimately have won that year's World Championship by a point." -- what? Irvine earned 74 points at the end of the 1999 season. Having passed Gene on Nurburgring, he would have earned one more point to a tally of 75, but Hakkinen got 76 at the end of the season. How could Irvine won 1999 World Championship if he had even been able to pass Gene?
I'm going to remove that statement if nobody explains it to me. Ximaera ( talk) 14:14, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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This article should mention the controversy at the 2005 Melbourne Grand Prix. I can find much talk on the internet but so far nothing telling me just what the problem was. — Hippietrail 23:44, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Article says Minardi have finished "4th three times - Martini twice and Fittipaldi once". What about the US GP 2005, when only six cars entered? -- Nope. They came 5th and 6th, with Ferrari and Jordanski taking the top 4 places. Damian Corrigan 01:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Contrary to what Paul might think, there WAS life before Stoddart. Can anyone add anything?
While an Italian may tell you that 'scuderia' means 'stable', it has come to mean 'racing team' in recent years, and the appropriate translation here is 'racing' as it is intended to be translation of Red Bull's other team. I have changed it accordingly.
Scuderia does indeed mean "stable". I take this to be a historical continuation of the term "stable" and in "horse-racing stable".
Do we consider the Euro F3000 Minardi team (see www.minarditeam.com) to be a proper part of this article?
On the one hand, the article should not logically be limited to F1 only - we've already got a bit of material on Minardi's pre F1 activities, Giancarlo Minardi is involved with the team, which team does have the legal rights to the name Minardi, in Euro F3000 at least. And there's actually something to write about because they are competing at present.
On the other hand, Mr Minardi's involvement is fairly minimal, I don't believe there's much connection in terms of personnel or location between 'old' Minardi and 'new' Minardi and I suspect, although I don't know, that Paul Stoddart's attempt to enter a Minardi team in F1 from 2008 means that he may still own the rights to use the name in F1.
I guess the logical thing to do is to treat the 'new' Minardi as part of this article for now and see how things develop. 4u1e 18:31, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Minardi is the current improvement drive candidate for portal:Formula One. The aim is to get the article to WP:GA status by August 13, 2006. Please feel free to help out in any way you can - references, as ever, are probably the biggest shortcoming, followed by more detail on the pre-Stoddart years and a results table. 4u1e 08:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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In summary - needs properly referencing and the pre-Stoddart history filling out. The wording can then be polished to a higher standard. I don't reckon that's too bad a job to take on!
4u1e
21:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
This article failed the GA nominations due to lack of references.
The ideal would of course be to have some hard copy sources. If anyone has some old Autosports tucked away they would supply a good source of information, as would any Autocourse or similar season reviews. It should be possible to do a fair job with the online sources available though. I would suggest:
Obviously you should not just cut and paste, these can only be sources of information. Cheers. 4u1e
Question from Aprithvi: How to handle results table when drivers change during the season? The only one I've done so far is at Fittipaldi Automotive, where for most of its history there was only one driver anyway - the only time drivers swapped was in it's first season, and I've just covered that by having a second row, which fits easily in the table. Minardi will have some seasons with (off the top of my head) up to 4 drivers having competed for it. We could add extra rows to account for this - which will make it clear who drove for the team when, but it makes the table a lot bigger. Aprithvi has suggested (and is currently implementing!) a table that lists '1st driver', '2nd driver' and leaves it at that. I suggest a slight modification, give the names where it stayed the same through the season. Where there was a change, put 'various' in the driver name space and footnote it to specify who drove when. It's a bit more work, but conveys a lot more information. That's my take anyway - anyone got another idea? This would look like:
Year | Main Drivers | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | Points | Constructors |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
2005 | Albers |
AUS Ret |
MYS 13 |
BAH 13 |
SMR Ret |
ESP Ret |
MON 14 |
EUR 17 |
CAN 11 |
USA 5 |
FRA Ret |
GBR 18 |
DEU 13 |
HUN NC |
TUR Ret |
ITA 19 |
BEL 12 |
BRA 14 |
JPN 16 |
CHN 16 |
7 | 10th |
Various [1] | 17 | Ret | 12 | Ret | Ret | Ret | 18 | Ret | 6 | Ret | 19 | 18 | Ret | 13 | 18 | 13 | Ret | 14 | 14 |
Notes: [1] Patrick Friesacher drove the second Minardi from the Australian to the British Grands Prix. Robert Doornbos then took over the car until the end of the season.
What do you think?
4u1e
06:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
The Results table seems to be too long (Minardi have been in F1 for 20 years). How about we just display the last 5 seasons and show the entire table on a separate page? Aprithvi 11:26, 31st July 2006 (UTC)
Don't think this is quite there yet. Aprithvi has done excellent work on the results table, but the words still need a bit of expansion and referencing. I'll keep working on it when I have time and maybe it can go in later. -- 4u1e 19:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
How about somewhere mentioning the two seater, and the fact that the operation continues to run under the Minardi F1 banner, and as part of Stoddard business groups.. http://www.minardif1x2.com 192.102.214.6 15:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
If there has to be a summary of events after Minardi was sold to Red Bull, there needs to be some clarification that there is very little connection indeed between the two outfits. Minardi built their own car, for a start. Let's not pretend Toro Rosso's success is not wholly down to the extra money, the customer chassis and the expensive engines, not from any link to the Minardi days. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 13:23, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
The USA GP 2005 was not boycotted my Michelin shod teams. In fact, Michelin issued a safety notice that stated that the tyre compound that they were using was not safe to use, therefore, unless a chicane was put on the final turn, teams agreed to slow for that turn or an alternate compound was allowed, the tyre wouldnt be issued, thus, the teams couldnt race......far from a boycott, the teams wanted to race but didnt want to risk the lives of their drivers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mowerman437 ( talk • contribs) 08:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
"Significantly, if Eddie Irvine, who placed 7th at that race, had been able to pass Gené, he would ultimately have won that year's World Championship by a point." -- what? Irvine earned 74 points at the end of the 1999 season. Having passed Gene on Nurburgring, he would have earned one more point to a tally of 75, but Hakkinen got 76 at the end of the season. How could Irvine won 1999 World Championship if he had even been able to pass Gene?
I'm going to remove that statement if nobody explains it to me. Ximaera ( talk) 14:14, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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