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I think he's (in)famous enough now to warrant his own wiki article. What say you? Solntsa90 ( talk) 10:28, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
He definitely merits his own page. He's been mentioned in multiple news outlets, trolled TEDTalk, Has been repeatedely misidentified as a mass-murdering White Supremacist, and he did it all for the lulz--but in all seriousness, he definitely deserves to have his own page, especially now that he has his own TV show (or at least, he's the star of it). Solntsa90 ( talk) 21:24, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
I've been thinking about adding a section dedicated to their upcoming book, How to BOMB the U.S. Gov't, however I have not been able to find enough sources to create anything worthwhile. The most I've come across is the Vapes.com pre-order page. Everything else is either from their Twitter, Reddit or Youtube accounts, which aren't really valid citations. Even their own website's page for HBUG is nothing more than a concept of the cover. Can anybody else find anything to work with, or should it only be added to the article after the book releases? 51.37.104.109 ( talk) 10:47, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
If you've kept up with MDE into 2020, then it's clear that the trio (Sam, Nick, Charls) doesn't exist anymore. I know that MDE is used as a branding for Sam's 'Hydewars' content but it's just Sam. Nick is also present but Charls is considered to have left the group. Unfortunately, there aren't many sources that confirm that MDE is on a hiatus (or split up). The only two I have is from here describing MDE post World Peace and a podcast with Sam stating (at 1:17:30) that he'd wish that the group got back together. With that being said, should the article be updated to reflect the fact that MDE isn't active currently? JakeyPotter ( talk) 09:12, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Mrschimpf: reverted the edit I made to the lede without comment, so I want to discuss my issues with the current version here. The current version says "They are also controversial for their documented ties to alt-right, white supremacist and neo-fascist organizations." This is not supported by the sources(4,5,6), which mention controversy stemming from the cult status the show had among alt-right and white supremacist fans. "Neo-fascist" should be removed as fascism isn't mentioned in any source at all, neither are any ties to any organizations - the articles talk about individuals and message boards supporting them, not MDE having links to any organizations. Furthermore "white supremacist" for some reason is linked to the Wiki Page for "white supremacist terror in the United States" instead of the page for White Supremacy. Especially with living people being named in the preceding sentence, we should be really careful about claiming they're linked to domestic terrorism, given that none of the sources talk about anything like this. My proposed change to this sentence would be: "They are also controversial for their support by alt-right and white supremacist fans of the show." Since I am not a native speaker I would be grateful for any corrections and suggestions! RRorg ( talk) 11:37, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
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I’m not sure what the status of YouTube videos is as far as reliable sourcing goes, but the infobox listing of Charls Carroll as a former member is inaccurate, as he himself confirms here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLuwKRGCtvU 2603:7000:A900:D296:F903:15C5:953B:407A ( talk) 03:00, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
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Charls Carroll is no longer a former member, he is back as a member of MDE as of early 2023 2601:243:C600:F540:1D1D:B8E7:EEF1:3863 ( talk) 18:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hyperlink "Nick Rochefort" to /info/en/?search=Nick_Rochefort HiiipowerCandyman ( talk) 06:15, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
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It says Charls Carrol is a former member of MDE when in fact, he has rejoined. Jp.r44200 ( talk) 18:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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He's listed as a former member but has been back for several months now. 2600:1017:B820:6A3D:84C:F865:CD25:574E ( talk) 11:34, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Okay, let's apply this logic to other fanbases and say that furries are known for having sex with animals and Juggalos are known for being in gangs. Is this still neutral because there's sources alleging this or have we broken WP:NPOV yet? Tell me where the NPOV boundary is acceptable. You can literally find a source that says anything about anyone, the question is not whether someone online makes this statement but whether the statement is neutral, and it clearly isn't. 166.181.255.51 ( talk) 03:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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The line "Million Dollar Extreme (MDE) was an American sketch comedy troupe known for their alt-right and white supremacist fans, cultivated by founder Sam Hyde." is inconducive to providing a neutral representation of the topic, especially when it's mentioned at the very beginning. My suggestion is to change "known for their alt-right and white supremacist fans" to "known for their controversial and transgressive comedy, garnering attention from many controversial communities including the alt-right movement."
I think the part "cultivated by Sam Hyde" should be deleted altogether, as it comes off as biased and accusatory despite there being no evidence of this individual explicitly or implicitly trying to garner this sort of community. Pred.exe ( talk) 22:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
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I think he's (in)famous enough now to warrant his own wiki article. What say you? Solntsa90 ( talk) 10:28, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
He definitely merits his own page. He's been mentioned in multiple news outlets, trolled TEDTalk, Has been repeatedely misidentified as a mass-murdering White Supremacist, and he did it all for the lulz--but in all seriousness, he definitely deserves to have his own page, especially now that he has his own TV show (or at least, he's the star of it). Solntsa90 ( talk) 21:24, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
I've been thinking about adding a section dedicated to their upcoming book, How to BOMB the U.S. Gov't, however I have not been able to find enough sources to create anything worthwhile. The most I've come across is the Vapes.com pre-order page. Everything else is either from their Twitter, Reddit or Youtube accounts, which aren't really valid citations. Even their own website's page for HBUG is nothing more than a concept of the cover. Can anybody else find anything to work with, or should it only be added to the article after the book releases? 51.37.104.109 ( talk) 10:47, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
If you've kept up with MDE into 2020, then it's clear that the trio (Sam, Nick, Charls) doesn't exist anymore. I know that MDE is used as a branding for Sam's 'Hydewars' content but it's just Sam. Nick is also present but Charls is considered to have left the group. Unfortunately, there aren't many sources that confirm that MDE is on a hiatus (or split up). The only two I have is from here describing MDE post World Peace and a podcast with Sam stating (at 1:17:30) that he'd wish that the group got back together. With that being said, should the article be updated to reflect the fact that MDE isn't active currently? JakeyPotter ( talk) 09:12, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Mrschimpf: reverted the edit I made to the lede without comment, so I want to discuss my issues with the current version here. The current version says "They are also controversial for their documented ties to alt-right, white supremacist and neo-fascist organizations." This is not supported by the sources(4,5,6), which mention controversy stemming from the cult status the show had among alt-right and white supremacist fans. "Neo-fascist" should be removed as fascism isn't mentioned in any source at all, neither are any ties to any organizations - the articles talk about individuals and message boards supporting them, not MDE having links to any organizations. Furthermore "white supremacist" for some reason is linked to the Wiki Page for "white supremacist terror in the United States" instead of the page for White Supremacy. Especially with living people being named in the preceding sentence, we should be really careful about claiming they're linked to domestic terrorism, given that none of the sources talk about anything like this. My proposed change to this sentence would be: "They are also controversial for their support by alt-right and white supremacist fans of the show." Since I am not a native speaker I would be grateful for any corrections and suggestions! RRorg ( talk) 11:37, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
An IP has been removing referenced material. I am neither knowledgeable nor bonded to the subject but leave this as a place for concerned editors to discuss rather than edit war. Ifnord ( talk) 13:46, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I’m not sure what the status of YouTube videos is as far as reliable sourcing goes, but the infobox listing of Charls Carroll as a former member is inaccurate, as he himself confirms here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLuwKRGCtvU 2603:7000:A900:D296:F903:15C5:953B:407A ( talk) 03:00, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
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Charls Carroll is no longer a former member, he is back as a member of MDE as of early 2023 2601:243:C600:F540:1D1D:B8E7:EEF1:3863 ( talk) 18:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hyperlink "Nick Rochefort" to /info/en/?search=Nick_Rochefort HiiipowerCandyman ( talk) 06:15, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
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It says Charls Carrol is a former member of MDE when in fact, he has rejoined. Jp.r44200 ( talk) 18:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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He's listed as a former member but has been back for several months now. 2600:1017:B820:6A3D:84C:F865:CD25:574E ( talk) 11:34, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Okay, let's apply this logic to other fanbases and say that furries are known for having sex with animals and Juggalos are known for being in gangs. Is this still neutral because there's sources alleging this or have we broken WP:NPOV yet? Tell me where the NPOV boundary is acceptable. You can literally find a source that says anything about anyone, the question is not whether someone online makes this statement but whether the statement is neutral, and it clearly isn't. 166.181.255.51 ( talk) 03:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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The line "Million Dollar Extreme (MDE) was an American sketch comedy troupe known for their alt-right and white supremacist fans, cultivated by founder Sam Hyde." is inconducive to providing a neutral representation of the topic, especially when it's mentioned at the very beginning. My suggestion is to change "known for their alt-right and white supremacist fans" to "known for their controversial and transgressive comedy, garnering attention from many controversial communities including the alt-right movement."
I think the part "cultivated by Sam Hyde" should be deleted altogether, as it comes off as biased and accusatory despite there being no evidence of this individual explicitly or implicitly trying to garner this sort of community. Pred.exe ( talk) 22:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)