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The article talks about Sheffield being the "capital of the north midlands", but I would argue most people would consider it as being part of the North and not the Midlands. Also how relevant is a 1911 entry to the Encyclopedia Britannica to the present definition of the midlands. I would argue that a much better way of estimating the territorial extent of the Midlands would be to look at the BBC's regional TV areas of the West and East Midlands. Whilst a bit sketchy, I would argue that it is a much better definition than that provided by a 102 year old encylopedia entry and should at the very least be included.
-- Redadder123 ( talk) 14:34, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
before listing every single big town here can we consider what a reader would find useful? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.31.242.18 ( talk) 17:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Some aren't even big and some are just suburbs/dormitory towns. It needs slimming down. How about only county towns, biggest in the county if different and besides that nowhere with a population under 50,000,. Is there guidance anywhere?
Bevo74 (
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21:49, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the word notable, I intend to give the list a major pruning sometime soon. Bevo74 ( talk) 06:01, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
I've changed the list my choices were based on, cities, county towns, towns of over 50,000 people and Stratford as it is very well known across the world. I've probably missed somewhere, so please correct, but please keep it sensible.
Bevo74 (
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17:57, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Sorry but I suspect this title is wrong and probably a Wiki fudge - it is never to my knowledge called the "English Midlands", just the "Midlands". So it should either be "Midlands" if it is agreed as the primary topic, or "Midlands (England)". -- Bermicourt ( talk) 11:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv ( talk) 08:27, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
English Midlands → Midlands (England) — More neutral. Rarely, if ever, called "English Midlands" within the UK, though the title seems to suggest othewise. Other Midlands pages ( South Carolina & Tasmania) are named similarly to the proposed move. -- Kurtle ( talk) 22:37, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
I added another map. The earlier one is fine, but not enough to point out where in England the Midlands are if you're unfamiliar with English geography. / Julle ( talk) 01:28, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Moving "English Midlands" to "Midlands (England)" is one thing: the phrase "the English Midlands" is used, though I will admit that in most contexts a plain "the Midlands" is much more common; even so, there are indeed other Midlands so a disambiguating "(England)" is fair enough in the title (cf. Midlands (South Carolina), Midlands (Tasmania) etc.). But as for "the Midlands, England", I can't recall ever seeing that formulation used anywhere but here. And why was there no discussion before this latest change was made? -- Picapica ( talk) 16:02, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru ( talk) 08:57, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
– My primary reason for this proposal is that I believe that the title violates WP:THE. In The Hague, for instance, "The" is treated as an integral part of the name and is written in uppercase even in the middle of a sentence. But for the Netherlands, that is not the case. I think the Midlands are much more similar to the Netherlands in this respect. Note that the region is frequently referred to as "Midlands" alone in titles, which would be impossible if "The" were an inseparable part of the name.
As the disambiguation page is in the way, something has to be done about it. Personally, I'd favor just asserting primacy as this page gets 10x the pageviews of the next contender, Midlands Region, Ireland. However, I would also regard moving the current page to Midlands (England) as superior to the present situation, as my intention is not to make this a dispute about the primary topic of "Midlands" but rather a proposal to remove "The" from the title. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:22, 23 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 19:17, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
There is a small group of editors determined to push the ancient counties at every turn. The topic has been discussed ad nauseam and the consistent and continuing consensus is that this information has curiosity value at best. It certainly doesn't belong in the infobox in a section assigned to current administrative entities. Accordingly, I will be bold and take it out of the infobox and move it down the page under archaeology or something. If anyone disagrees, please take it up yet again at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography. ---- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 16:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
A map showing more context would be more helpful to a global audience. Can someone please find a map that shows the Midlands on the whole island including Scotland and Wales? seeing the location on an isolated map of England is disorienting and not very informative. Irtapil ( talk) 17:03, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
I’m sorry, but although the borders do correspond to Mercia, broadly, I don’t think there is that strong of a link between the two. I’ve never met someone who would say Mercia is the Midlands. 57.190.1.2 ( talk) 07:14, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
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The article talks about Sheffield being the "capital of the north midlands", but I would argue most people would consider it as being part of the North and not the Midlands. Also how relevant is a 1911 entry to the Encyclopedia Britannica to the present definition of the midlands. I would argue that a much better way of estimating the territorial extent of the Midlands would be to look at the BBC's regional TV areas of the West and East Midlands. Whilst a bit sketchy, I would argue that it is a much better definition than that provided by a 102 year old encylopedia entry and should at the very least be included.
-- Redadder123 ( talk) 14:34, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
before listing every single big town here can we consider what a reader would find useful? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.31.242.18 ( talk) 17:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Some aren't even big and some are just suburbs/dormitory towns. It needs slimming down. How about only county towns, biggest in the county if different and besides that nowhere with a population under 50,000,. Is there guidance anywhere?
Bevo74 (
talk)
21:49, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the word notable, I intend to give the list a major pruning sometime soon. Bevo74 ( talk) 06:01, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
I've changed the list my choices were based on, cities, county towns, towns of over 50,000 people and Stratford as it is very well known across the world. I've probably missed somewhere, so please correct, but please keep it sensible.
Bevo74 (
talk)
17:57, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Sorry but I suspect this title is wrong and probably a Wiki fudge - it is never to my knowledge called the "English Midlands", just the "Midlands". So it should either be "Midlands" if it is agreed as the primary topic, or "Midlands (England)". -- Bermicourt ( talk) 11:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv ( talk) 08:27, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
English Midlands → Midlands (England) — More neutral. Rarely, if ever, called "English Midlands" within the UK, though the title seems to suggest othewise. Other Midlands pages ( South Carolina & Tasmania) are named similarly to the proposed move. -- Kurtle ( talk) 22:37, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
I added another map. The earlier one is fine, but not enough to point out where in England the Midlands are if you're unfamiliar with English geography. / Julle ( talk) 01:28, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Moving "English Midlands" to "Midlands (England)" is one thing: the phrase "the English Midlands" is used, though I will admit that in most contexts a plain "the Midlands" is much more common; even so, there are indeed other Midlands so a disambiguating "(England)" is fair enough in the title (cf. Midlands (South Carolina), Midlands (Tasmania) etc.). But as for "the Midlands, England", I can't recall ever seeing that formulation used anywhere but here. And why was there no discussion before this latest change was made? -- Picapica ( talk) 16:02, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru ( talk) 08:57, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
– My primary reason for this proposal is that I believe that the title violates WP:THE. In The Hague, for instance, "The" is treated as an integral part of the name and is written in uppercase even in the middle of a sentence. But for the Netherlands, that is not the case. I think the Midlands are much more similar to the Netherlands in this respect. Note that the region is frequently referred to as "Midlands" alone in titles, which would be impossible if "The" were an inseparable part of the name.
As the disambiguation page is in the way, something has to be done about it. Personally, I'd favor just asserting primacy as this page gets 10x the pageviews of the next contender, Midlands Region, Ireland. However, I would also regard moving the current page to Midlands (England) as superior to the present situation, as my intention is not to make this a dispute about the primary topic of "Midlands" but rather a proposal to remove "The" from the title. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:22, 23 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 19:17, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
There is a small group of editors determined to push the ancient counties at every turn. The topic has been discussed ad nauseam and the consistent and continuing consensus is that this information has curiosity value at best. It certainly doesn't belong in the infobox in a section assigned to current administrative entities. Accordingly, I will be bold and take it out of the infobox and move it down the page under archaeology or something. If anyone disagrees, please take it up yet again at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography. ---- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 16:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
A map showing more context would be more helpful to a global audience. Can someone please find a map that shows the Midlands on the whole island including Scotland and Wales? seeing the location on an isolated map of England is disorienting and not very informative. Irtapil ( talk) 17:03, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
I’m sorry, but although the borders do correspond to Mercia, broadly, I don’t think there is that strong of a link between the two. I’ve never met someone who would say Mercia is the Midlands. 57.190.1.2 ( talk) 07:14, 30 October 2022 (UTC)