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Should the page mention that a number of Breitbart News writers including Ben Shapiro quit in protest of Breitbart’s treatment of Michelle Fields vis-à-vis the Corey Lewandowski Incident? 198.200.115.29 ( talk) 14:02, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because it is about a journalist and political commentator. I am currently finding my sources and editing the entry. It should be done in a day or two. She is a very well documented political journalist who deserves a wikipedia entry.
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because she is a well documented political journalist who deserves a Wikipedia entry. I am new to Wikipedia, so am still learning the etiquette, but I am adding my links and references. Please do not delete this. I should have something cohesive together very soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jloveness ( talk • contribs) 08:27, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because she is a notable political journalist. The article is well cited and researched. This journalist is an up and coming media head and should be documented on Wikipedia. — Sethward ( talk) 09:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
This article should not be speedily deleted because it is now politically neutral — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.14.13 ( talk) 02:52, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
A picture or action photo always improves an article. -- AstroU ( talk) 22:34, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
An WP:SPA with an agenda placed a blogger's video here as a reference to make a claim Fields is lying. [1]. At this website, however, neither the 4-second video nor the 30-second video there, the latter of which has significantly obstructed views, confirm what the blogger's headline claims. That, in addition to the fact no WP:RS outlet reported on or corroborates it, makes it a WP:FRINGE claim. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 01:05, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
A redlink editor with an apparent political agenda has been editing this and Corey Lewandowski in ways that violate WP:SYNTH by using uncited, cherry-picked facts and personal observations to push an argument, rather than being neural. I'd like to get other opinions on the below, with my comments in boldface.
Lewandowski also characterized Fields as "delusional," and suggested that she had fabricated the story just to attract attention to herself. [Anyone can "characterize" or "suggest"; aside from the fact that Lewandowski is not a mental-health professional re: "delusional", the pertinent point is his denial, which is mentioned and cited. The sentence amounts to a negative opinion, and not a fact. Additionally, we have the text of his tweet in a citation, so this sentence is not even needed even if it weren't inappropriate.] Thereafter, law enforcement officials retrieved surveillance video recordings of the incident, which showed Lewandowski behind Fields and Trump who were walking side-by-side in conversation, with Lewandowski suddenly approaching Fields from behind, reaching toward her and grabbing her arm, jerking her backward and away from Trump as he stepped past Fields and proceeded to walk with Trump. [This is a personal, POV description, aside from being uncited. The pertinent fact is the police released a video. Any uncited description of the video is pure POV.
-- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:43, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Look I am trying to be neutral here. We have to provide her version of the facts and the other side's version. Someone deleted the interview with the Secret Service that gives Trump's version of the events, as well as a report that the prosecutor is part of Hillary's Florida Democratic team. Someone also moved her allegations against the NYPD and instead of putting it in a different section, merged it into her career blurb. What gives? This was the original direct quote from the source BTW:
Why is this changed to support a pro-Fields version of what happened by providing her witness corroboration but denying Secret Service member's account? And the biggest offense is deleting the multiple sources that I provided and now I have to waste time finding and adding them here. There were two or so more sources, no time to find. I would like others to comment on this please, thank you! Skatz613 ( talk) 16:31, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
I do not want a war with you but I was the one who took the time to research the time line. Then you went and butchered it. I suggest you insert your proposed version and we discuss it here since it was I who took the time to do a time line of events. I request that another person who is not your friend chime in and comment. Skatz613 ( talk) 17:31, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
One more thing, about the Clinton connection, this is a statement of fact and there is no slant on it as you suggest. The Boston Herald picked it up, not me. Did you read the sources? Did I slant the information? No. It is a fact that the prosecutor is a supporter. People should be aware and I believe that my version is extremely neutral since I work as a professional editor. Again please comments from others. Skatz613 ( talk) 17:42, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Wait so now you say that three editors were involved in the change but previously you stated "You know, I went back in and removed the pro-Fields content you mentioned, in order to make the section neutral." So was it three editors or just you? How come no one else signed off on the changes? Again, I believe that instead of butchering the time line that I spent a lot of time on with your one-sided edits, you should have discussed the edits and waited for others to comment instead of unilaterally changing what I wrote. I spent hours researching this. Wiki is a community of editors who do research to try to provide neutrality. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out for myself what each side said happened. So tell me why you are not answering my substantive questions about how you can possibly cover this in Wiki but not include "In her own words" what Fields wrote about what happened? How can you not include the fact (written in a highly neutral way) that the prosecutor is in Clinton's Florida team? The Clinton reference read as follows "Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg, the prosecutor who charged Lewandowski, is a member of the 150-member Florida Leadership Council, which was established by the Democratic Party to promote Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy." It is a fact, no spin. It is written in an extremely neutral way and it is not implying anything, but the media has picked up on this and you cannot just omit facts. Omissions are a form of POV. Skatz613 ( talk) 17:55, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
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− OK so here is another article. [1] Skatz613 ( talk) 18:03, 31 March 2016 (UTC) And here is another article with pictures. [2] +
− I didn't say Fields lied. I didn't say Lewandowski lied. I am presenting the available facts and my version was extremely neutral. Yours was not because you omitted the allegations. Without the allegations and without the secret service statements it is a pro-Fields slant. Do you want to say that pictures emerged that Fields touched Trump before Lewandowski grabbed her? We can do that too, since the pictures are out there. You know that this is serious stuff. Your slant is serious. People come to Wiki for neutrality not partisan politics. Skatz613 ( talk) 18:11, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
OK so include the fact as follows, this doesn't violate WP:BLPCRIME or WP:SYNTH : "Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg, the prosecutor who charged Lewandowski, is a member of the 150-member Florida Leadership Council, which was established by the Democratic Party to promote Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy." [3]. How is this insinuating the prosecutor is biased? It is a fact. We are not making inferences from this fact. Skatz613 ( talk) 18:16, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Here is my latest version: On March 8, 2016, Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields alleged that Trump campaign Manager, Corey Lewandowski forcibly grabbed her down as Donald J. Trump was walking out of his press conference at the Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, Florida.[1] http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/03/10/3276486/
Fields penned an article on Breitbart on March 10, where she stated: "Trump acknowledged the question, but before he could answer I was jolted backwards. Someone had grabbed me tightly by the arm and yanked me down. I almost fell to the ground, but was able to maintain my balance. Nonetheless, I was shaken. The Washington Post’s Ben Terris immediately remarked that it was Trump’s campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who aggressively tried to pull me to the ground. I quickly turned around and saw Lewandowski and Trump exiting the building together. No apology. No explanation for why he did this."[2] http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/03/10/3276486/ Also on March 10, 2016, an audio recording of Fields' conversation with Ben Terris of The Washington Post was released, however no video footage had emerged yet.[3] http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/03/transcript-corey-lewandowski-breitbart-reporter-attack-220589 In a series of tweets, fellow Breitbart reporter Patrick Howley suggested that Fields release a video of the alleged attack, and Breitbart indefinitely suspended Howley for casting doubt on Fields' account.[4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/10/donald-trumps-campaign-just-outdid-itself-with-its-brazen-disregard-for-the-truth/
On March 11, 2016, Breitbart issued a statement supporing Fields. [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/10/donald-trumps-campaign-just-outdid-itself-with-its-brazen-disregard-for-the-truth/
However, after Lewandowski denied that he had grabbed Fields and referred to her as "delusional," on March 11, Fields filed a police report with the Jupiter police department alleging simple battery.[5] Ravi Somaiya, Breitbart Journalist Files Police Report Alleging Battery at Trump Event, New York Times (March 11, 2016). The Trump campaign also denied Fields' account.[6][7][8] http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/donald-trump-breitbart-reporter-michelle-fields-corey-lewandowski/ Fields resigned from Breitbart News on March 13, 2016 citing the site's response to her alleged assault.[9] http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/14/breitbart-reporter-editor-resign-over-response-to-alleged-assault-by-trump-campaign-manager.html On March 11, partial video footage emerged. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-breitbart-reporter-michelle-fields-made-alleged-lewandowski-assault-n536451
On March 29, Lewandowski turning himself in on the misdemeanor charge of simple battery.[11] The Jupiter police department stated that Lewandowski was released and his initial court appearance is scheduled for May 4.[11] The department also released new video provided by Trump National Golf Club that shows the alleged incident from an overhead angle.[11] A member of Trump's U.S. Secret Service detail stated that Fields made physical contact with Trump twice – and was warned by agents to stop – before Lewandowski pulled her away from the billionaire.[12] In a statement, Lewandowski stated he is "absolutely innocent of this charge," and will plead not guilty.[11] Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg, the prosecutor who charged Lewandowski, is a member of the 150-member Florida Leadership Council, which was established by the Democratic Party to promote Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skatz613 ( talk • contribs) 18:38, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Edits are most likely coming from the Donald Trump subreddit, I recommend locking the page.-- Craigboy ( talk) 18:45, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Craigboy, I am not in any way related to Trump or reddit but I do agree that the piece should be locked. Before we lock it, I see that someone edited it again. It's not bad but we should consider adding: 1) On March 29th, Trump said Fields “shouldn’t have been touching me." [1] 2) Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg, the prosecutor who charged Lewandowski, is a member of the 150-member Florida Leadership Council, which was established by the Democratic Party to promote Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy. [2] Basically the way I see it both parties have their point of view but the truth is always in the middle. Video clearly shows Fields touching Trump, and Lewandowski touching Fields. After that it is up to the judge to decide based on the relevant law. Police get a lot of police reports but the prosecutor decides what reports are followed through with. So the affiliation of Aronberg is important, and the source is the Boston Herald. [3]— Preceding unsigned comment added by Skatz613 ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
We can't use the word "claimed." Wikipedia guidelines are very clear on that.
In any case, since no one has raised objections to my suggestion of removing Fields' account since it doesn't add anything objectively factual, I will now do so, -- Tenebrae ( talk) 02:11, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Who wrote this??? "On March 10, 2016, Fields wrote that, after she asked Donald Trump a question when he approached her after a March 8, 2016 press conference in Jupiter, Florida, she was jolted backward when someone grabbed her tightly by the arm and yanked her down; and that she almost fell to the ground but was able to maintain her balance." First of all HE didn't approach her. Second, where are your quotation marks??? Third, this is not a court of law. No bruise marks. This is not a trial. There are so many things that happened in the timeline. I am going to parse it down to the way it was. Remember [2] Innocent Until PROVEN GUILTY. Less is more. Skatz613 ( talk) 02:54, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
OK so I changed it to say that Fields said that Terris witnessed it. I would actually remove that because it doesn't add anything. If he is a witness in the court case, that is a different story, but again this is not a court case. I would just say: 1) she said X, 2) response from him and campaign was Y and charged on this date, with Z court date etc. Again, it is a big difference. There is so much material on what happened and so much passion on both sides we have to be careful to be as neutral as possible, and Tenebrae was right about keeping less information. I see the wisdom in that because people are cherry picking what is added and it gets to be annoying.
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I have removed some material that was copy pasted from gotnews.com, and hence possibly violated copyrights. I also didn't want to paraphrase the contents of this source as gotnews.com likely won't pass as a reliable source anyway. It is likely that the LA Times piece that was referenced, but wasn't actually cited, isn't very helpful since connecting Xiomara Fields to Michelle Fields in this case requires at least some original research. Politrukki ( talk) 21:41, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
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Should the page mention that a number of Breitbart News writers including Ben Shapiro quit in protest of Breitbart’s treatment of Michelle Fields vis-à-vis the Corey Lewandowski Incident? 198.200.115.29 ( talk) 14:02, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because it is about a journalist and political commentator. I am currently finding my sources and editing the entry. It should be done in a day or two. She is a very well documented political journalist who deserves a wikipedia entry.
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because she is a well documented political journalist who deserves a Wikipedia entry. I am new to Wikipedia, so am still learning the etiquette, but I am adding my links and references. Please do not delete this. I should have something cohesive together very soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jloveness ( talk • contribs) 08:27, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because she is a notable political journalist. The article is well cited and researched. This journalist is an up and coming media head and should be documented on Wikipedia. — Sethward ( talk) 09:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
This article should not be speedily deleted because it is now politically neutral — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.14.13 ( talk) 02:52, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
A picture or action photo always improves an article. -- AstroU ( talk) 22:34, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
An WP:SPA with an agenda placed a blogger's video here as a reference to make a claim Fields is lying. [1]. At this website, however, neither the 4-second video nor the 30-second video there, the latter of which has significantly obstructed views, confirm what the blogger's headline claims. That, in addition to the fact no WP:RS outlet reported on or corroborates it, makes it a WP:FRINGE claim. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 01:05, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
A redlink editor with an apparent political agenda has been editing this and Corey Lewandowski in ways that violate WP:SYNTH by using uncited, cherry-picked facts and personal observations to push an argument, rather than being neural. I'd like to get other opinions on the below, with my comments in boldface.
Lewandowski also characterized Fields as "delusional," and suggested that she had fabricated the story just to attract attention to herself. [Anyone can "characterize" or "suggest"; aside from the fact that Lewandowski is not a mental-health professional re: "delusional", the pertinent point is his denial, which is mentioned and cited. The sentence amounts to a negative opinion, and not a fact. Additionally, we have the text of his tweet in a citation, so this sentence is not even needed even if it weren't inappropriate.] Thereafter, law enforcement officials retrieved surveillance video recordings of the incident, which showed Lewandowski behind Fields and Trump who were walking side-by-side in conversation, with Lewandowski suddenly approaching Fields from behind, reaching toward her and grabbing her arm, jerking her backward and away from Trump as he stepped past Fields and proceeded to walk with Trump. [This is a personal, POV description, aside from being uncited. The pertinent fact is the police released a video. Any uncited description of the video is pure POV.
-- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:43, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Look I am trying to be neutral here. We have to provide her version of the facts and the other side's version. Someone deleted the interview with the Secret Service that gives Trump's version of the events, as well as a report that the prosecutor is part of Hillary's Florida Democratic team. Someone also moved her allegations against the NYPD and instead of putting it in a different section, merged it into her career blurb. What gives? This was the original direct quote from the source BTW:
Why is this changed to support a pro-Fields version of what happened by providing her witness corroboration but denying Secret Service member's account? And the biggest offense is deleting the multiple sources that I provided and now I have to waste time finding and adding them here. There were two or so more sources, no time to find. I would like others to comment on this please, thank you! Skatz613 ( talk) 16:31, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
I do not want a war with you but I was the one who took the time to research the time line. Then you went and butchered it. I suggest you insert your proposed version and we discuss it here since it was I who took the time to do a time line of events. I request that another person who is not your friend chime in and comment. Skatz613 ( talk) 17:31, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
One more thing, about the Clinton connection, this is a statement of fact and there is no slant on it as you suggest. The Boston Herald picked it up, not me. Did you read the sources? Did I slant the information? No. It is a fact that the prosecutor is a supporter. People should be aware and I believe that my version is extremely neutral since I work as a professional editor. Again please comments from others. Skatz613 ( talk) 17:42, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Wait so now you say that three editors were involved in the change but previously you stated "You know, I went back in and removed the pro-Fields content you mentioned, in order to make the section neutral." So was it three editors or just you? How come no one else signed off on the changes? Again, I believe that instead of butchering the time line that I spent a lot of time on with your one-sided edits, you should have discussed the edits and waited for others to comment instead of unilaterally changing what I wrote. I spent hours researching this. Wiki is a community of editors who do research to try to provide neutrality. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out for myself what each side said happened. So tell me why you are not answering my substantive questions about how you can possibly cover this in Wiki but not include "In her own words" what Fields wrote about what happened? How can you not include the fact (written in a highly neutral way) that the prosecutor is in Clinton's Florida team? The Clinton reference read as follows "Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg, the prosecutor who charged Lewandowski, is a member of the 150-member Florida Leadership Council, which was established by the Democratic Party to promote Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy." It is a fact, no spin. It is written in an extremely neutral way and it is not implying anything, but the media has picked up on this and you cannot just omit facts. Omissions are a form of POV. Skatz613 ( talk) 17:55, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
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− OK so here is another article. [1] Skatz613 ( talk) 18:03, 31 March 2016 (UTC) And here is another article with pictures. [2] +
− I didn't say Fields lied. I didn't say Lewandowski lied. I am presenting the available facts and my version was extremely neutral. Yours was not because you omitted the allegations. Without the allegations and without the secret service statements it is a pro-Fields slant. Do you want to say that pictures emerged that Fields touched Trump before Lewandowski grabbed her? We can do that too, since the pictures are out there. You know that this is serious stuff. Your slant is serious. People come to Wiki for neutrality not partisan politics. Skatz613 ( talk) 18:11, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
OK so include the fact as follows, this doesn't violate WP:BLPCRIME or WP:SYNTH : "Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg, the prosecutor who charged Lewandowski, is a member of the 150-member Florida Leadership Council, which was established by the Democratic Party to promote Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy." [3]. How is this insinuating the prosecutor is biased? It is a fact. We are not making inferences from this fact. Skatz613 ( talk) 18:16, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Here is my latest version: On March 8, 2016, Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields alleged that Trump campaign Manager, Corey Lewandowski forcibly grabbed her down as Donald J. Trump was walking out of his press conference at the Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, Florida.[1] http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/03/10/3276486/
Fields penned an article on Breitbart on March 10, where she stated: "Trump acknowledged the question, but before he could answer I was jolted backwards. Someone had grabbed me tightly by the arm and yanked me down. I almost fell to the ground, but was able to maintain my balance. Nonetheless, I was shaken. The Washington Post’s Ben Terris immediately remarked that it was Trump’s campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who aggressively tried to pull me to the ground. I quickly turned around and saw Lewandowski and Trump exiting the building together. No apology. No explanation for why he did this."[2] http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/03/10/3276486/ Also on March 10, 2016, an audio recording of Fields' conversation with Ben Terris of The Washington Post was released, however no video footage had emerged yet.[3] http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/03/transcript-corey-lewandowski-breitbart-reporter-attack-220589 In a series of tweets, fellow Breitbart reporter Patrick Howley suggested that Fields release a video of the alleged attack, and Breitbart indefinitely suspended Howley for casting doubt on Fields' account.[4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/10/donald-trumps-campaign-just-outdid-itself-with-its-brazen-disregard-for-the-truth/
On March 11, 2016, Breitbart issued a statement supporing Fields. [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/10/donald-trumps-campaign-just-outdid-itself-with-its-brazen-disregard-for-the-truth/
However, after Lewandowski denied that he had grabbed Fields and referred to her as "delusional," on March 11, Fields filed a police report with the Jupiter police department alleging simple battery.[5] Ravi Somaiya, Breitbart Journalist Files Police Report Alleging Battery at Trump Event, New York Times (March 11, 2016). The Trump campaign also denied Fields' account.[6][7][8] http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/donald-trump-breitbart-reporter-michelle-fields-corey-lewandowski/ Fields resigned from Breitbart News on March 13, 2016 citing the site's response to her alleged assault.[9] http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/14/breitbart-reporter-editor-resign-over-response-to-alleged-assault-by-trump-campaign-manager.html On March 11, partial video footage emerged. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-breitbart-reporter-michelle-fields-made-alleged-lewandowski-assault-n536451
On March 29, Lewandowski turning himself in on the misdemeanor charge of simple battery.[11] The Jupiter police department stated that Lewandowski was released and his initial court appearance is scheduled for May 4.[11] The department also released new video provided by Trump National Golf Club that shows the alleged incident from an overhead angle.[11] A member of Trump's U.S. Secret Service detail stated that Fields made physical contact with Trump twice – and was warned by agents to stop – before Lewandowski pulled her away from the billionaire.[12] In a statement, Lewandowski stated he is "absolutely innocent of this charge," and will plead not guilty.[11] Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg, the prosecutor who charged Lewandowski, is a member of the 150-member Florida Leadership Council, which was established by the Democratic Party to promote Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skatz613 ( talk • contribs) 18:38, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Edits are most likely coming from the Donald Trump subreddit, I recommend locking the page.-- Craigboy ( talk) 18:45, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Craigboy, I am not in any way related to Trump or reddit but I do agree that the piece should be locked. Before we lock it, I see that someone edited it again. It's not bad but we should consider adding: 1) On March 29th, Trump said Fields “shouldn’t have been touching me." [1] 2) Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg, the prosecutor who charged Lewandowski, is a member of the 150-member Florida Leadership Council, which was established by the Democratic Party to promote Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy. [2] Basically the way I see it both parties have their point of view but the truth is always in the middle. Video clearly shows Fields touching Trump, and Lewandowski touching Fields. After that it is up to the judge to decide based on the relevant law. Police get a lot of police reports but the prosecutor decides what reports are followed through with. So the affiliation of Aronberg is important, and the source is the Boston Herald. [3]— Preceding unsigned comment added by Skatz613 ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
We can't use the word "claimed." Wikipedia guidelines are very clear on that.
In any case, since no one has raised objections to my suggestion of removing Fields' account since it doesn't add anything objectively factual, I will now do so, -- Tenebrae ( talk) 02:11, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Who wrote this??? "On March 10, 2016, Fields wrote that, after she asked Donald Trump a question when he approached her after a March 8, 2016 press conference in Jupiter, Florida, she was jolted backward when someone grabbed her tightly by the arm and yanked her down; and that she almost fell to the ground but was able to maintain her balance." First of all HE didn't approach her. Second, where are your quotation marks??? Third, this is not a court of law. No bruise marks. This is not a trial. There are so many things that happened in the timeline. I am going to parse it down to the way it was. Remember [2] Innocent Until PROVEN GUILTY. Less is more. Skatz613 ( talk) 02:54, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
OK so I changed it to say that Fields said that Terris witnessed it. I would actually remove that because it doesn't add anything. If he is a witness in the court case, that is a different story, but again this is not a court case. I would just say: 1) she said X, 2) response from him and campaign was Y and charged on this date, with Z court date etc. Again, it is a big difference. There is so much material on what happened and so much passion on both sides we have to be careful to be as neutral as possible, and Tenebrae was right about keeping less information. I see the wisdom in that because people are cherry picking what is added and it gets to be annoying.
Skatz613 (
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References
I have removed some material that was copy pasted from gotnews.com, and hence possibly violated copyrights. I also didn't want to paraphrase the contents of this source as gotnews.com likely won't pass as a reliable source anyway. It is likely that the LA Times piece that was referenced, but wasn't actually cited, isn't very helpful since connecting Xiomara Fields to Michelle Fields in this case requires at least some original research. Politrukki ( talk) 21:41, 20 April 2016 (UTC)