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Got rid of the 'Michael Sanchez' stuff...
Just browsing this and it seems far too biased. Too much praise. Granted the achievements are noteworthy, but the way its written is just lavishing it and then some. Needs to be made more neutral.
Definitely get rid of the sentence "The debate over who was fastest was thus never resolved" in the paragraph about his 150m race against Bailey. Both agreed that they would stop using the title "world's fastest man" if they lost.
Johnson lost.
After being well behind throughout the race. He stopped using the title. Issue resolved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grant Gussie ( talk • contribs) 19:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I didn't think that Gh's edits added to the clarity of the article, in fact rather the opposite. I have therefore reverted to the previous version. Any comments (especially from Gh) appreciated. -- Lancevortex 14:48, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The article for Kerron Clement and this one are apparently conflicting; the other page says that the record belongs to Kerron Clement at 44.57 seconds, while this page says that the record belongs to Michael Johnson at 43.18 seconds. Which is correct, or what am I missing?
a picture (a movie would be best) of his unique running style would be great. I searched yahoo! videos for a decent video to link to but did not find any -- Crucible Guardian 05:21, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Johnson's maximum speed in his 200m world record was recently changed from "37km/h" to "over 40km/h". Anyone know which is correct (with source)? -- Lancevortex 09:42, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
I think the use of Many at the beginning and in the Bailey race section should be removed.
This article could really use a picture, don't you agree? BMW Z3 23:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
As currently written, this section suggests that the race was a non-starter, since '...Johnson pulled out a few moments into the race'. A review of the footage clearly indicates Johnson did not 'pull up lame' until the race was 2/3rds over (at about 10 s into a 15 s race), and after Bailey was looking to be a sure winner. The race showed a lot more than the article suggests. Indeed it appeared that Bailey would 'easily win the race' before Johnson pulled up lame - the article suggests Bailey easily won the race because Johnson pulled up lame. The article needs to give Bailey more credit.
The final part of this section - That same year, Johnson won his third 400 m world title in Athens. At the 1998 Goodwill Games in New York, Johnson anchored the U.S. 4 x 400 m relay team with Jerome Young, Antonio Pettigrew, and Tyree Washington to a win and set the current world record of 2:54.20. Pettigrew has since admitted doping from 1997. [1] Young was caught doping in 1999 - has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bailey race. It's just an attempt to justify somehow that Johnson lost the race and the "title". -- Bentonia School ( talk) 03:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
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The old version said "In the 10 years since this record was set, [i.e., Johnson's 19.32] no other athlete has even approached Johnson's first world record mark of 19.66 s, until July 11, 2006, when Xavier Carter of the United States posted a 19.63 in Lausanne, leading many to believe that the current mark will endure."
Well, obviously this was written before Carter did his 19.63 and simply ammended with a reference to him, as Wallace Spearmon did 19.65 Sept 2006 and Tyson Gay twice came within several hundredths of a second of hitting 19.66 as well. Clearly, Johnson's 19.32 was not threatened, but the way the sentence was structured it seems as if Carter's time somehow reinforces the notion "that the current mark will endure." Unless someone can find a link to someone saying that these recent marks somehow make Johnson's 19.32 more likely to last many more years, I have gone ahead and rewritten the line.
To be fair, I'd say that the mark COULD be broken as Carter and Spearmon, 22 and 21 respectively both exceeded what Johnson did at age 28 - his 19.66 - and more may come from these two and Gay - 23 and 24 in 2006 when he ran 19.68 and 19.70 - and these three presumably would be eager not only to approach Johnson but to beat each other. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Canada Jack ( talk
Just want to add a note on the phrase "world's fastest man/human" which Johnson was called after the 200 m victory and world record at the 1996 Olympics. It should be noted that the unofficial title of "WFM" typically was awarded either to the 100 m Olympic champion OR to the world record holder in that event.
When Johnson ran 19.32 to win gold in 1996, many commentators, particularly in America, noted that that worked out to 9.66 on average per 100m, clearly "faster" than Donovan Bailey's world record in 1996 of 9.84. What many who said this did not mention (or, more likely, did not know) was that the winning Olympic time (at least since electronic timing generally was used starting with the 1968 Olympics) was the 200 m time was almost ALWAYS "faster" than the 100 m time. In fact, all but one Olympic champion in the 200 m ran "faster" at the Olympics than the 100 m champion from 1968 to 1996. (the exception: Hasely Crawford's 10.06 was "faster" than Don Quarrie's 20.23 in 1976; Mike Marsh was also "slower" in the 1992 200 m final, but ran "faster" in an earlier round).
AS for the claim that Johnson's average speed was clearly "faster," this was a new criteria seemingly invented to give him the title, when in the past this criteria didn't seem to apply. If it had, then Italian Pietro Mennea, who ran 19.72 in 1979 was the "world's fastest human" until 1994, yet for most of that time, Carl Lewis was claimed to have held that title though he never in fact exceeded Mennea.
The article quotes an average speed of some 25 mph, but many 100 m sprinters have been recorded as reaching peak velocities in excess of that. Bailey was measured as having reached a peak velocity of 27.1 mph during the 1996 final (this was quoted in a 1998 article). This speed may have been exceeded by some more recent sprinters, but I have not seen any reports that Johnson ran quite that fast during a race. Canada Jack 20:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I remember hearing that he had hit the highest velocity ever recorded for a human -- I think the number was 27.7mph, but really, this is just from memory. I believe this was one of the things that justified his use of the title, "World's Fastest Man." Later (maybe a couple years), a 100m runner recorded a faster maximum velocity (I forget who it was). I came to this page to look for this information. :) 131.243.77.221 06:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I've removed this section once again, because it says quite clearly at the top of this page that "controversial material of any kind that is unsourced must be removed immediately". Can the editor provide any credible sources for his/her claims that thousands have questioned Johnson's integrity? Is it not much more likely he retired when he did because he was 33 years old and as a multiple Olympic winner and world record holder, he had achieved all he could in his sport? Pawnkingthree 13:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
My insertion about the magnitude of Johnson's record was removed, so I reinstated it. My reason for so doing is that there is nothing instrinsic about Johnson's 19.32 or the margin of .30 s(not ".3") between his mark and the second-best mark that indicates how far ahead of others he is, unless you have an appreciation of where other runners are. By noting that the distance between Johnson and #2 is 1 and #2 and .30 seconds later is about 28 dramatically, I think, illustrates how far ahead of the rest Johnson is, despite a recent rash of runners in the 19.6/19.7 range.
I agree that the other remarks suggesting that it was predicted that the person who would first run 19.3 wasn't yet born before Johnson's achievement should be omitted if there is no source for such a statement. Canada Jack 00:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd say if we are to compare this to Beamon's record, we could illustrate why, and I think the number of those who have approached the record is a good way. I have a bit of a problem with saying that lowering it by .34 is the "biggest" improvement ever, only because while true, it is misleading since times to 1/100 th of a second were only recognized in the 60s, and if you go by those marks, Tommie Smith in fact improved the electronic record by a greater margin (though the record to 1/10th was instrinsically faster).
As for 26 - yeah, I hesitated to put a specific number as, obviously, it would have to be updated a lot. And, Yeah, I think I may have counted Gay and Johnson himself, so go ahead and correct that or say "more than 25" or some such thing. Canada Jack 06:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I've changed the wording about Johnson's 300 m "world record" because, bluntly, this is no "world record." Only events sanctioned by the IAAF can have "world records," other events may be run but have no official status and are often called "world bests," like in the 2 miles. And by comparing the improvement Johnson made on the old "mark" is meaningless as the event is seldom run, certainly not at big-time meets where the world's top athletes would be competing. Canada Jack 20:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the IOC has stripped the entire team of this medal due to the misdoings of others besides Johnson. The medal winning is no longer valid. However, it is entirely proper to show in the infobox that a medal was won but was later disqualified. The article explains the circumstances of this action (affirming that Johnson was not to blame, only effected). Another editor persists in removing this notation, which then misrepresents the status of Johnson's valid medal wins. At present, this is a 3RR issue with the anonymous editor involved, but beyond that person, Johnson can no longer be considered a gold medal holder for that event. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 22:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that michael johnson's height was not listed. can it please be added. michael johnson's height is 6ft 1in according to: http://www.usatf.org/athletes/bios/oldBios/2001/Johnson_Michael.asp
hi michael i am a big fan i am doing a esay on you can you tell me some info. on you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.132.53.4 ( talk) 23:47, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
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This article quotes a peak speed of over 60kmph or 37mph for Michael Johnson in his world record 200m sprint. This figure is absolutely false, and in fact is ridiculous. I don't know if it has just been made up but no human being has ever or could come close to that speed. Bear in mind that the current fastest human Usain Bolt only achieved a peak speed of less than 28mph during his 100m world record-breaking final at the 2008 Olympic games, where he also beat Johnson's 200m world record.
I think it likely someone has mistaken his average speed in this race in kmph as a figure in mph, then converted it to kmph by multiplying it by 1.6. An average speed of 37kmph is about right for the entire race, and he may well have peaked at close to or even over 27mph (~43kmph), but since 60kmph or 37mph is a ludicrous speed and blatantly false I am removing it.
-- Kevoreilly 23.53, 8 Jan 2008 (UTC)
This part should probably be removed since the article for the information was from 2001 and I am pretty sure someone has beaten that. Michael Phelps has over 50 medals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.111.117.23 ( talk) 16:01, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to Michael Johnson (sprinter). Jafeluv ( talk) 19:50, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Just like everybody others athletes with homonyms. I made a bot request for the inversion of redirect. -- Kasper2006 ( talk) 11:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
The article states "In 1996, Johnson ran 16.55 seconds in the 200 m at the U.S. Olympic Trials." I don't know what his time was, but it clearly wasn't under 19 seconds! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.197.37 ( talk) 02:24, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
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There is a problem with the accuracy with which Sports journalist have reported Johnson's stroke. Many have stated that he had a TIA (transient ischaemic attack). Johnson's own words do not mention a TIA or mini-stroke - he just says that the had "a stroke". The symptoms that Johnson describe are those of a stroke, not a TIA. I think the editor is obliged to rely on Johnson's own words about the precise medical condition - there is, after all, no news report from his doctor. What more authoritative source is there on his precise medical condition? The interpretation by journalists of the information given by Johnson is clearly wrong. They have confused a mild stroke with a "mini-stroke".
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Got rid of the 'Michael Sanchez' stuff...
Just browsing this and it seems far too biased. Too much praise. Granted the achievements are noteworthy, but the way its written is just lavishing it and then some. Needs to be made more neutral.
Definitely get rid of the sentence "The debate over who was fastest was thus never resolved" in the paragraph about his 150m race against Bailey. Both agreed that they would stop using the title "world's fastest man" if they lost.
Johnson lost.
After being well behind throughout the race. He stopped using the title. Issue resolved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grant Gussie ( talk • contribs) 19:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I didn't think that Gh's edits added to the clarity of the article, in fact rather the opposite. I have therefore reverted to the previous version. Any comments (especially from Gh) appreciated. -- Lancevortex 14:48, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The article for Kerron Clement and this one are apparently conflicting; the other page says that the record belongs to Kerron Clement at 44.57 seconds, while this page says that the record belongs to Michael Johnson at 43.18 seconds. Which is correct, or what am I missing?
a picture (a movie would be best) of his unique running style would be great. I searched yahoo! videos for a decent video to link to but did not find any -- Crucible Guardian 05:21, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Johnson's maximum speed in his 200m world record was recently changed from "37km/h" to "over 40km/h". Anyone know which is correct (with source)? -- Lancevortex 09:42, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
I think the use of Many at the beginning and in the Bailey race section should be removed.
This article could really use a picture, don't you agree? BMW Z3 23:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
As currently written, this section suggests that the race was a non-starter, since '...Johnson pulled out a few moments into the race'. A review of the footage clearly indicates Johnson did not 'pull up lame' until the race was 2/3rds over (at about 10 s into a 15 s race), and after Bailey was looking to be a sure winner. The race showed a lot more than the article suggests. Indeed it appeared that Bailey would 'easily win the race' before Johnson pulled up lame - the article suggests Bailey easily won the race because Johnson pulled up lame. The article needs to give Bailey more credit.
The final part of this section - That same year, Johnson won his third 400 m world title in Athens. At the 1998 Goodwill Games in New York, Johnson anchored the U.S. 4 x 400 m relay team with Jerome Young, Antonio Pettigrew, and Tyree Washington to a win and set the current world record of 2:54.20. Pettigrew has since admitted doping from 1997. [1] Young was caught doping in 1999 - has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bailey race. It's just an attempt to justify somehow that Johnson lost the race and the "title". -- Bentonia School ( talk) 03:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
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The old version said "In the 10 years since this record was set, [i.e., Johnson's 19.32] no other athlete has even approached Johnson's first world record mark of 19.66 s, until July 11, 2006, when Xavier Carter of the United States posted a 19.63 in Lausanne, leading many to believe that the current mark will endure."
Well, obviously this was written before Carter did his 19.63 and simply ammended with a reference to him, as Wallace Spearmon did 19.65 Sept 2006 and Tyson Gay twice came within several hundredths of a second of hitting 19.66 as well. Clearly, Johnson's 19.32 was not threatened, but the way the sentence was structured it seems as if Carter's time somehow reinforces the notion "that the current mark will endure." Unless someone can find a link to someone saying that these recent marks somehow make Johnson's 19.32 more likely to last many more years, I have gone ahead and rewritten the line.
To be fair, I'd say that the mark COULD be broken as Carter and Spearmon, 22 and 21 respectively both exceeded what Johnson did at age 28 - his 19.66 - and more may come from these two and Gay - 23 and 24 in 2006 when he ran 19.68 and 19.70 - and these three presumably would be eager not only to approach Johnson but to beat each other. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Canada Jack ( talk
Just want to add a note on the phrase "world's fastest man/human" which Johnson was called after the 200 m victory and world record at the 1996 Olympics. It should be noted that the unofficial title of "WFM" typically was awarded either to the 100 m Olympic champion OR to the world record holder in that event.
When Johnson ran 19.32 to win gold in 1996, many commentators, particularly in America, noted that that worked out to 9.66 on average per 100m, clearly "faster" than Donovan Bailey's world record in 1996 of 9.84. What many who said this did not mention (or, more likely, did not know) was that the winning Olympic time (at least since electronic timing generally was used starting with the 1968 Olympics) was the 200 m time was almost ALWAYS "faster" than the 100 m time. In fact, all but one Olympic champion in the 200 m ran "faster" at the Olympics than the 100 m champion from 1968 to 1996. (the exception: Hasely Crawford's 10.06 was "faster" than Don Quarrie's 20.23 in 1976; Mike Marsh was also "slower" in the 1992 200 m final, but ran "faster" in an earlier round).
AS for the claim that Johnson's average speed was clearly "faster," this was a new criteria seemingly invented to give him the title, when in the past this criteria didn't seem to apply. If it had, then Italian Pietro Mennea, who ran 19.72 in 1979 was the "world's fastest human" until 1994, yet for most of that time, Carl Lewis was claimed to have held that title though he never in fact exceeded Mennea.
The article quotes an average speed of some 25 mph, but many 100 m sprinters have been recorded as reaching peak velocities in excess of that. Bailey was measured as having reached a peak velocity of 27.1 mph during the 1996 final (this was quoted in a 1998 article). This speed may have been exceeded by some more recent sprinters, but I have not seen any reports that Johnson ran quite that fast during a race. Canada Jack 20:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I remember hearing that he had hit the highest velocity ever recorded for a human -- I think the number was 27.7mph, but really, this is just from memory. I believe this was one of the things that justified his use of the title, "World's Fastest Man." Later (maybe a couple years), a 100m runner recorded a faster maximum velocity (I forget who it was). I came to this page to look for this information. :) 131.243.77.221 06:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I've removed this section once again, because it says quite clearly at the top of this page that "controversial material of any kind that is unsourced must be removed immediately". Can the editor provide any credible sources for his/her claims that thousands have questioned Johnson's integrity? Is it not much more likely he retired when he did because he was 33 years old and as a multiple Olympic winner and world record holder, he had achieved all he could in his sport? Pawnkingthree 13:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
My insertion about the magnitude of Johnson's record was removed, so I reinstated it. My reason for so doing is that there is nothing instrinsic about Johnson's 19.32 or the margin of .30 s(not ".3") between his mark and the second-best mark that indicates how far ahead of others he is, unless you have an appreciation of where other runners are. By noting that the distance between Johnson and #2 is 1 and #2 and .30 seconds later is about 28 dramatically, I think, illustrates how far ahead of the rest Johnson is, despite a recent rash of runners in the 19.6/19.7 range.
I agree that the other remarks suggesting that it was predicted that the person who would first run 19.3 wasn't yet born before Johnson's achievement should be omitted if there is no source for such a statement. Canada Jack 00:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd say if we are to compare this to Beamon's record, we could illustrate why, and I think the number of those who have approached the record is a good way. I have a bit of a problem with saying that lowering it by .34 is the "biggest" improvement ever, only because while true, it is misleading since times to 1/100 th of a second were only recognized in the 60s, and if you go by those marks, Tommie Smith in fact improved the electronic record by a greater margin (though the record to 1/10th was instrinsically faster).
As for 26 - yeah, I hesitated to put a specific number as, obviously, it would have to be updated a lot. And, Yeah, I think I may have counted Gay and Johnson himself, so go ahead and correct that or say "more than 25" or some such thing. Canada Jack 06:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I've changed the wording about Johnson's 300 m "world record" because, bluntly, this is no "world record." Only events sanctioned by the IAAF can have "world records," other events may be run but have no official status and are often called "world bests," like in the 2 miles. And by comparing the improvement Johnson made on the old "mark" is meaningless as the event is seldom run, certainly not at big-time meets where the world's top athletes would be competing. Canada Jack 20:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the IOC has stripped the entire team of this medal due to the misdoings of others besides Johnson. The medal winning is no longer valid. However, it is entirely proper to show in the infobox that a medal was won but was later disqualified. The article explains the circumstances of this action (affirming that Johnson was not to blame, only effected). Another editor persists in removing this notation, which then misrepresents the status of Johnson's valid medal wins. At present, this is a 3RR issue with the anonymous editor involved, but beyond that person, Johnson can no longer be considered a gold medal holder for that event. Wildhartlivie ( talk) 22:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that michael johnson's height was not listed. can it please be added. michael johnson's height is 6ft 1in according to: http://www.usatf.org/athletes/bios/oldBios/2001/Johnson_Michael.asp
hi michael i am a big fan i am doing a esay on you can you tell me some info. on you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.132.53.4 ( talk) 23:47, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
There has to be something under Wikipedia:What Wikipedia Is Not that says it's not somebody's personal page, even if some people do tamper with articles. Sorry kiddo, go track him down or just read the article as written by our fellow Wikipedians. - 24.184.184.130 ( talk) 02:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
This article quotes a peak speed of over 60kmph or 37mph for Michael Johnson in his world record 200m sprint. This figure is absolutely false, and in fact is ridiculous. I don't know if it has just been made up but no human being has ever or could come close to that speed. Bear in mind that the current fastest human Usain Bolt only achieved a peak speed of less than 28mph during his 100m world record-breaking final at the 2008 Olympic games, where he also beat Johnson's 200m world record.
I think it likely someone has mistaken his average speed in this race in kmph as a figure in mph, then converted it to kmph by multiplying it by 1.6. An average speed of 37kmph is about right for the entire race, and he may well have peaked at close to or even over 27mph (~43kmph), but since 60kmph or 37mph is a ludicrous speed and blatantly false I am removing it.
-- Kevoreilly 23.53, 8 Jan 2008 (UTC)
This part should probably be removed since the article for the information was from 2001 and I am pretty sure someone has beaten that. Michael Phelps has over 50 medals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.111.117.23 ( talk) 16:01, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to Michael Johnson (sprinter). Jafeluv ( talk) 19:50, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Just like everybody others athletes with homonyms. I made a bot request for the inversion of redirect. -- Kasper2006 ( talk) 11:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
The article states "In 1996, Johnson ran 16.55 seconds in the 200 m at the U.S. Olympic Trials." I don't know what his time was, but it clearly wasn't under 19 seconds! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.197.37 ( talk) 02:24, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
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There is a problem with the accuracy with which Sports journalist have reported Johnson's stroke. Many have stated that he had a TIA (transient ischaemic attack). Johnson's own words do not mention a TIA or mini-stroke - he just says that the had "a stroke". The symptoms that Johnson describe are those of a stroke, not a TIA. I think the editor is obliged to rely on Johnson's own words about the precise medical condition - there is, after all, no news report from his doctor. What more authoritative source is there on his precise medical condition? The interpretation by journalists of the information given by Johnson is clearly wrong. They have confused a mild stroke with a "mini-stroke".
I appreciate the edit made might technically test the limits of rules on sources for living persons. However, I think reliance must be placed on deciding which information is correct, and allow suppression of obvious errors by sports journalists commenting on something outside their area of expertise.
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There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Mike Johnson (Louisiana politician) which is of relevance to this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. TarnishedPath talk 23:56, 26 October 2023 (UTC)