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"The next two years followed a similar pattern. Some success against the lower rated sides - India, New Zealand, Zimbabwe - but struggles against Australia and Pakistan."
- Since when was India ever a "lower rated" side? And NZ at the time were on a par with England at Test level.
"Where Ricky Ponting has made his runs recently off Andre Nel and an ageing Shaun Pollock, Atherton scored runs off Ambrose, Walsh, McGrath, Gillespie, McDermott, Wasim, Waqar, Warne and others when all were at their very best."
- Mcgrath dismissed Atherton a record 19 times and the english opener averaged a meager 29.68 against australia in 66 innings which would indicate that he infact did not score runs againts them, unless you implied that he did very loosely.
"Many cricketing aficionados would argue that the current crop of international bowlers does not come close to these players in ability." This is not the kind of opinion for Wikipedia, surely. With a few exceptions of the very great (eg Warne), a player is only ever judged to be great retrospectively. Hence there is logically always a current lack of great players. In the early 90s people were decrying the lack of Bob Willis' and Viv Richards...
This whole paragraph needs to be re-written, in which it keeps the reference to the number of very high class players Athers played against, but also adding the ammendment above re: McGrath (and Alan Donald, as mentioned earlier in the article) getting him out so much, and possibly his low average against Australia. The key thing it to drop the constant implication that 'players aren't as good as they used to be'. If it turns out that in fact that is the only point being made in this paragraph then it should be deleted and the key points transfered to a later paragraph summarising his career.
Perhaps if these changes were made, it would be NPOV after all (or are there further problems?). -- Rob2000 16:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
This whole article reads like hagiography - a nostalgic apologia for Athers. Positive spin, unencyclopedic tone. -- Peripatetic 08:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Most of the time when I hear his name on telly, he is referred to as Michael Atherton. Obviously, I have heard him referred to as Mike, but more often than not I think he's called Michael. What does everyone else think? - PeeJay 17:59, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Absolutely Michael Atherton. I've watched hundreds of hours of cricket and can't think of a time when he's been called Mike. Not even by his peers in unguarded moments. What's next? Renaming Flintoffs article Freddy? Let's be respectful of the last gentlemans game and those who play it. 86.139.27.124 ( talk) 00:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Check out his books. He is listed as Mike on all of them. PDAWSON3 ( talk) 09:34, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Do we really need the full spelling of the scatalogical version of FEC? Would asterisks not suffice? Children read these pages. PDAWSON3 ( talk) 08:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I've deleted the Lancashire CC bit. It's obscene and unworthy and epitomises the worst of the English class system. Millbanks ( talk) 08:20, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
It is true however. We can't delete the truth, just because we dislike it, surely? That would be censorship...something wikipedia should be free from... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.1.88 ( talk) 19:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Michael was actually born in the area of Newton Heath, Manchester as opposed to the previously stated district of Failsworth. He attended the local Briscoe Lane school until his teenage years when his family relocated to a home off Lord Lane, Failsworth. He attended Manchester Grammar School and made his name at the cricket club in Woodhouses ( Anthony of the Desert ( talk) 20:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)).
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Closer's comment at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Michael Atherton was Anyone who wishes to rescue the content from behind the redirect, and merge into the main article, is welcome to do so at their convenience
. I have therefore done so. There is no point in the redirect if this page doesn't have a list of centuries.
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I am amazed there isn't some precedent by now for the level of statistics in an international cricketer article. A look at similar-level footballers e.g. Steven Gerrard shows that a list of international goals and one-line annual stats for their career are included. I'd say a test century is probably equivalent to an international football goal.---- Pontificalibus 12:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
"statistics should be placed in tables to enhance readability". wjemather please leave a message... 11:37, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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"The next two years followed a similar pattern. Some success against the lower rated sides - India, New Zealand, Zimbabwe - but struggles against Australia and Pakistan."
- Since when was India ever a "lower rated" side? And NZ at the time were on a par with England at Test level.
"Where Ricky Ponting has made his runs recently off Andre Nel and an ageing Shaun Pollock, Atherton scored runs off Ambrose, Walsh, McGrath, Gillespie, McDermott, Wasim, Waqar, Warne and others when all were at their very best."
- Mcgrath dismissed Atherton a record 19 times and the english opener averaged a meager 29.68 against australia in 66 innings which would indicate that he infact did not score runs againts them, unless you implied that he did very loosely.
"Many cricketing aficionados would argue that the current crop of international bowlers does not come close to these players in ability." This is not the kind of opinion for Wikipedia, surely. With a few exceptions of the very great (eg Warne), a player is only ever judged to be great retrospectively. Hence there is logically always a current lack of great players. In the early 90s people were decrying the lack of Bob Willis' and Viv Richards...
This whole paragraph needs to be re-written, in which it keeps the reference to the number of very high class players Athers played against, but also adding the ammendment above re: McGrath (and Alan Donald, as mentioned earlier in the article) getting him out so much, and possibly his low average against Australia. The key thing it to drop the constant implication that 'players aren't as good as they used to be'. If it turns out that in fact that is the only point being made in this paragraph then it should be deleted and the key points transfered to a later paragraph summarising his career.
Perhaps if these changes were made, it would be NPOV after all (or are there further problems?). -- Rob2000 16:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
This whole article reads like hagiography - a nostalgic apologia for Athers. Positive spin, unencyclopedic tone. -- Peripatetic 08:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Most of the time when I hear his name on telly, he is referred to as Michael Atherton. Obviously, I have heard him referred to as Mike, but more often than not I think he's called Michael. What does everyone else think? - PeeJay 17:59, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Absolutely Michael Atherton. I've watched hundreds of hours of cricket and can't think of a time when he's been called Mike. Not even by his peers in unguarded moments. What's next? Renaming Flintoffs article Freddy? Let's be respectful of the last gentlemans game and those who play it. 86.139.27.124 ( talk) 00:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Check out his books. He is listed as Mike on all of them. PDAWSON3 ( talk) 09:34, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Do we really need the full spelling of the scatalogical version of FEC? Would asterisks not suffice? Children read these pages. PDAWSON3 ( talk) 08:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I've deleted the Lancashire CC bit. It's obscene and unworthy and epitomises the worst of the English class system. Millbanks ( talk) 08:20, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
It is true however. We can't delete the truth, just because we dislike it, surely? That would be censorship...something wikipedia should be free from... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.1.88 ( talk) 19:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Michael was actually born in the area of Newton Heath, Manchester as opposed to the previously stated district of Failsworth. He attended the local Briscoe Lane school until his teenage years when his family relocated to a home off Lord Lane, Failsworth. He attended Manchester Grammar School and made his name at the cricket club in Woodhouses ( Anthony of the Desert ( talk) 20:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)).
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. I have therefore done so. There is no point in the redirect if this page doesn't have a list of centuries.
Spike 'em (
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I am amazed there isn't some precedent by now for the level of statistics in an international cricketer article. A look at similar-level footballers e.g. Steven Gerrard shows that a list of international goals and one-line annual stats for their career are included. I'd say a test century is probably equivalent to an international football goal.---- Pontificalibus 12:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
"statistics should be placed in tables to enhance readability". wjemather please leave a message... 11:37, 24 January 2021 (UTC)