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This article is a mess! It starts off with a sections called "current" metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties which has a map showing all the unitary authorities. These are not counties and their inclusion in the extended ceremonial counties (based on the metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties of the same name) proves this. Yorkshire Phoenix 12:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Also: one of the lists at the bottom claims to to show "all counties" ranked by area, but instead of being at the top of the list Yorkshire is completely absent. "All counties" should be rephrased accordingly. Yorkshire Phoenix 12:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I think I understand. Unitary Authorities are "county level" administrative units and thus fall under the metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties umbrella despite being part of larger ceremonial counties? Please review my suggestion on Template_talk:Infobox_England_place#County_Type regarding county types. Yorkshire Phoenix 10:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Of course: otherwise we'd have the same entry in District and County with both types as Unitary Authority! What do you think of my suggestion of having a CountyType value with the options of Metropolitan county or Non-metropolitan county then? Given that County already has an IF argument because it is optional, would my suggestion be possible to implement? Yorkshire Phoenix 11:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Can I suggest that the following is slightly reworded for clarity? "On April 1, 1996, the unpopular counties of Avon, Humberside and Cleveland were abolished and their districts turned into unitary authorities." Avon's six districts became only four unitary auhtorities (two mergers of two). SP-KP 00:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I thought Tyne and Wear had been abolished? Why is it still on the map as though it exists? doktorb words deeds 14:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I tried to update the article so it would reflect the 2009 structural changes to local government in England (but the map should ideally be changed to split Cheshire and Bedfordshire). I also changed the text to state that the non-metropolitan counties of Cheshire and Bedfordshire were split in two, before noticing that this had been changed before. I don't know if my wording is the least confusing one (it's confusing in general with non-metropolitan and ceremonial counties that don't coincide), but if the division of Cheshire and Bedfordshire into unitary authorities should be stated in terms of ceremonial counties, surely Cheshire is divided into four non-metropolitan counties now? // Essin ( talk) 10:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
This article says that of the 49 unitary authorities which are also non-metropolitan counties, 48 have a district council and no county council, and the other (Isle of Wight) has a county council and no district council. From looking at the legislation enacting the recent reforms, it seems that Durham, Northumberland, Cornwall, Shropshire and Wiltshire also have a county council with no district council. Can anyone confirm this? Yamor2 ( talk) 12:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Changes on 1 April 2019 and again in 2020:
2019 structural changes to local government in England
Maps too. Sumorsǣte ( talk) 08:36, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
We have three pages covering metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties: this one, and two covering metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties individually. On balance I think we could cover the topic adequately here, however I'm also open to retaining the two individual articles and blanking this one.
Pinging: @ Morwen @ MRSC @ Chocolateediter @ Dr Greg @ Lozleader @ Timrollpickering @ ShakespeareFan00
A.D.Hope ( talk) 14:20, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Before we go ahead with this merger, we need to agree on whether and how the merged article should cover unitary authorities. Unitary authorities are all technically non-metropolitan counties, but unitary authority areas which were formerly administered by non-metropolitan districts are, as far as I know, not commonly referred to as counties, whereas unitary authority areas which were formerly administered by county councils are still commonly referred to as counties, and as far as I know never as districts. But we now have the non-metropolitan county of North Yorkshire, which legally was and remains the County of North Yorkshire, [1], referred to in WP as a "district", with its own article, North Yorkshire (district), which is highly confusing for those of us who live in the county and have been told that the districts have been abolished.
The merged article would need quite a lot of rewriting. It will need to cover:
Plus a reference to
This article covers all the counties of England which are currently local government areas (or have been since 1974). So my suggestion would be to merge this article into Counties of England, but keep Metropolitan county and Non-metropolitan county.-- Mhockey ( talk) 15:27, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
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To-do list for Metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties of England: April 2009: New map to show splits of Cheshire and Bedfordshire |
This article is a mess! It starts off with a sections called "current" metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties which has a map showing all the unitary authorities. These are not counties and their inclusion in the extended ceremonial counties (based on the metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties of the same name) proves this. Yorkshire Phoenix 12:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Also: one of the lists at the bottom claims to to show "all counties" ranked by area, but instead of being at the top of the list Yorkshire is completely absent. "All counties" should be rephrased accordingly. Yorkshire Phoenix 12:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I think I understand. Unitary Authorities are "county level" administrative units and thus fall under the metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties umbrella despite being part of larger ceremonial counties? Please review my suggestion on Template_talk:Infobox_England_place#County_Type regarding county types. Yorkshire Phoenix 10:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Of course: otherwise we'd have the same entry in District and County with both types as Unitary Authority! What do you think of my suggestion of having a CountyType value with the options of Metropolitan county or Non-metropolitan county then? Given that County already has an IF argument because it is optional, would my suggestion be possible to implement? Yorkshire Phoenix 11:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Can I suggest that the following is slightly reworded for clarity? "On April 1, 1996, the unpopular counties of Avon, Humberside and Cleveland were abolished and their districts turned into unitary authorities." Avon's six districts became only four unitary auhtorities (two mergers of two). SP-KP 00:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I thought Tyne and Wear had been abolished? Why is it still on the map as though it exists? doktorb words deeds 14:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I tried to update the article so it would reflect the 2009 structural changes to local government in England (but the map should ideally be changed to split Cheshire and Bedfordshire). I also changed the text to state that the non-metropolitan counties of Cheshire and Bedfordshire were split in two, before noticing that this had been changed before. I don't know if my wording is the least confusing one (it's confusing in general with non-metropolitan and ceremonial counties that don't coincide), but if the division of Cheshire and Bedfordshire into unitary authorities should be stated in terms of ceremonial counties, surely Cheshire is divided into four non-metropolitan counties now? // Essin ( talk) 10:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
This article says that of the 49 unitary authorities which are also non-metropolitan counties, 48 have a district council and no county council, and the other (Isle of Wight) has a county council and no district council. From looking at the legislation enacting the recent reforms, it seems that Durham, Northumberland, Cornwall, Shropshire and Wiltshire also have a county council with no district council. Can anyone confirm this? Yamor2 ( talk) 12:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Changes on 1 April 2019 and again in 2020:
2019 structural changes to local government in England
Maps too. Sumorsǣte ( talk) 08:36, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
We have three pages covering metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties: this one, and two covering metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties individually. On balance I think we could cover the topic adequately here, however I'm also open to retaining the two individual articles and blanking this one.
Pinging: @ Morwen @ MRSC @ Chocolateediter @ Dr Greg @ Lozleader @ Timrollpickering @ ShakespeareFan00
A.D.Hope ( talk) 14:20, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Before we go ahead with this merger, we need to agree on whether and how the merged article should cover unitary authorities. Unitary authorities are all technically non-metropolitan counties, but unitary authority areas which were formerly administered by non-metropolitan districts are, as far as I know, not commonly referred to as counties, whereas unitary authority areas which were formerly administered by county councils are still commonly referred to as counties, and as far as I know never as districts. But we now have the non-metropolitan county of North Yorkshire, which legally was and remains the County of North Yorkshire, [1], referred to in WP as a "district", with its own article, North Yorkshire (district), which is highly confusing for those of us who live in the county and have been told that the districts have been abolished.
The merged article would need quite a lot of rewriting. It will need to cover:
Plus a reference to
This article covers all the counties of England which are currently local government areas (or have been since 1974). So my suggestion would be to merge this article into Counties of England, but keep Metropolitan county and Non-metropolitan county.-- Mhockey ( talk) 15:27, 31 July 2023 (UTC)