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Conveniently left out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:59A4:6100:D41:3DBF:FE29:DE32 ( talk) 20:33, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
What is Zagreb doing in the list of metropolis ??? That place is a village. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.108.68.214 ( talk) 09:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay not sure about the pluralisation there - but just writing about the idiocy of having citi counted as metropolises. I've just deleted about 10 German cities that failed to meet any of the criteria. I've had to do similar things on the UK pages about metropolitan areas. Its rediculous - city pride just making people add their cities on here for no good reason. Way to go you like your city - but its not a metropolis just for that reason. It makes wikipedia practically useless if we can't keep to some agree standards.
Since the United States section gives an alternate definition to the word, should it be with the general definition above the contents? - JaKaL! 15:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
How come Prague is not indcluded in the European metropoleis? MiShogun 17:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Where is this weird "metropoleis" coming from? On Goole, metropoles beats metropoleis by 1,890,000 to 1,990, nearly all of them Wikipedia mirrors! Jpatokal 17:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there have been a little discussion before the removal of all those pictures? Who decided what stayed and what went? At the very least it would be helpful to broaden the image selection with a picture from each inhabited continent. Or if we're going with only two, it would be better to use the "most" metropolitan cities in the world, i.e. Mexico City and Tokyo. The two there now have an obvious bias for Anglophone Western Civilization. Please convince me and the rest of the editors of this page that there is some merit to leaving New York City and Johannesburg specifically or I will be bold and change the selection myself. I would prefer to see some discussion on this page about which cities are used for samples. Techgeist 18:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
cleanup: unreasonable number of pictures + pov-check: many cities added are not metropolises. Lord, help us all. The Fat Guy 03:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Using the definition, I propose:
Best regards The Fat Guy 15:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I've tried to make a list of the issues, arguments, and proposed solutions. However, it seems to be difficult to reach a consensus. There are users boosting their prefered towns and claiming they are all metropolises. The article do not need a list of metropolises, world metropolises are well know and easy to find by anyone using the definition or not. The Fat Guy 10:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Encyclopedia articles are supposed to be about things, not words. This article is fundamentally about the *word* "metropolis", not about the category of large cities. Coming up with a consensus definition of the word, furthermore, drifts into the area of original research, and it does not reflect the way the word is used. Usage is generally more poetic than technical
I also think it is wrong to say that the U.S. census definition of a metropolitan area amounts to the definition of a metropolis. The two terms have diverged.
If we must have an article about metropolises, it should be about *really* big cities, say 2 million or more in the metro area. Mark Foskey 01:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Most of the sources defines North America as a continent comprising Canada, the US, Mexico, the Central American countries and the West Indides or Caribbean. This is the geographical model/criteria that should be used if somebody wants to/must to categorize the countries in North America. The geomodel that divides North America into "Northern America and Middle America" is by far not the most common and using it is a clear violation of the Wikipolicy of Undue Weight, that tells that giving too much importance to information/versions that are not the mainstream must not be done. This "model" is NOT the most used and common division of the NA continent. That's why I changed it to an alphabetically ordered list, and then to group only the Central American countries and the Caribbean, the most natural and known division.
However, alphabetic order is always the most neutral solution to follow, but clearly not the most wanted, since the group of Central America and the Caribbean conforms a very specific and well defined group of countries.
Please notice that the North America article presents an alphabetically ordered list of countries in order to avoid such discrepancies when "categorizing" the continent.
Alex Covarrubias ( Talk? ) 19:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Definitions of North America:
We are dealing with major cities here, not countries. Alphabetical order already prevails in subregions for the various continents, North America -- for which there are a number of definitions, including those which exclude Mexico ( or have you forgotten?) -- needn't be treated differently. Subregions merely provide added structure, and the one proposed by AC is no more or less 'natural' than others, or plastic for that matter. In fact, why should we change the listing to satisfy your nationalism/boosterism? Garner consensus before changing the article (which has previously been reverted anonymously despite other edits) or thestatus quo will 'boldly' be restored. Corticopia 20:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Picaroon, I honestly believe that the solution you think is the fastest way to go (
United Nations geoscheme), is certainly not the best. That particular geoscheme is not the only one the UN utilizes in its various organisms. That geoscheme is particularly used by the United Nations Statistics Division. Other organisms within the UN use other geoschemes, for instance the one dedicated to environmental problems, I don't remember the name, I'll paste the link later, the FAO and more specifically the Forest Commisions
[1]. I think we should give the request for comment a chance. The fastest solutions are now always the more reliable I believe. Thanks for all your help! I deeply appreciate it.
Alex
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Spliting North America in Northern and Middle America has caused several edit wars un many related articles, to avoid this I'd prefer to no split North America in regions or split it in Canada, USA, Mexico, Central America and the West Indies. JC 11:55, 27 September 2007 (PST)
I think it is time to end this. Supaman, JC and I all agree that the use of the division "Northern and Middle" America for NA is undue weight and POV pushing, given the fact that, as the references/evidence pasted at the begining of this debate suggest: NA is always defined as "Canada, US, Mexico, Greenland, Bermuda, St. Pierre and Miquelon, the countries of Central America and the Caribbean". This broadly used definition should be the way to go.
This article originally didn't divide North America, it simply alphabetically presented the cities... until Corticopia changed the article and introduced his POV pushing version of NA divided in Middle and Northern. I think we should list alphabetically as a point of contension or compromise, other way the issue is going to be resolved by voting. Alex C. ( Talk? ) 04:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
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Changed the map text from "Cities with at least a million inhabitants in 2006" to "Cities with at least 500.000 inhabitants in 2006", because most of the dots on the map doesn't have over million inhabitants. (for example USA has only 9 cities with over a million inhabitants, and finland has none) Ilyushka88 11:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
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Why, which one(s) of the removed is/are more than 500.000 (and since when?) James Blond ( talk) 05:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Strange, all Brittish towns are under Northern Europe, while Amsterdam and Antwerp are Western-E. This, whereas the Brittish towns are situated more western than the Dutch and Belgian and not really more northern (some even more southern). The best solution of this matter seems to be dividing in Northwestern, Northeastern, Southwestern and Southeastern Europe. James Blond ( talk) 20:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
In the image gallery, the caption for the image Las Vegas strip.jpg needs to be disambiguated from Las Vegas. While the photo is actually of the Las Vegas Strip, the context of the page would denote that the link should actually point to Las Vegas, Nevada with the link piped so as to render Las Vegas. Thanks! — Elipongo ( Talk contribs) 19:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
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The section entitled contemporary metropolises should be removed to comply with WP:V. Reasons:
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Is there any serious objection to my above reasoning? User:Krator ( t c) 23:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I thoroughly agree that the list should be removed. I clicked on a city at random and it had 90 thousand people which is not a metropolis by anyone's definition, let alone the one on this page. It looks like people have been adding their own cities again without actually reading the criteria for the list. And as no effort's been made to provide citations for any item on the list it would be best deleted forthwith. - Aucitypops ( talk) 05:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Nottingham UK does not fit into the definition of metropolis. The population of the City of Nottingham proper is c.230,000. When the surrounding towns are taken into account the population is increased by around 500,000 to 730,000. So I have deleted it as the article expressly suggests that a metropolis is a population with 500,000 plus a further 1,000,000 in surrounding areas! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.198.79 ( talk) 22:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Does a source exist for the claim that "metropoleis" is a plural for the English word "metropolis"? The OED online (in its draft revised entry for "metropolis", dated as September 2008) makes no mention of it. The same can be said for "megalopoleis" as a presumed plural for the English word "megalopolis" - in the latter case the OED is even more explicit (it says "Plural megalopolises, (irreg. rare) megalopoli, megalopolii, megalopoloi"), and yet Wikipedia has an article titled List of megalopoleis. Thylacoleo ( talk) 03:14, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't think I've ever seen solubility used in this sense! — Tamfang ( talk) 03:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I changed the caption. It had previously read "thumb;" I changed it to read "Beirut." I just wanted to clear it with you guys, since I'm not a frequent, or experienced editor of wikipedia. Also, someone may want to expand my caption. The captions under photos of the other cities have more information in their captions, and the name of the cities is linked to that cities article. I'm pretty dumb when it comes to computers, and wasn't confident I could do a link without screwing it up, and I didn't bother looking up any other information for the caption. Still, I figured an unlinked "Beirut" had to be a better caption than "thumb." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.123.232 ( talk) 18:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
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Conveniently left out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:59A4:6100:D41:3DBF:FE29:DE32 ( talk) 20:33, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
What is Zagreb doing in the list of metropolis ??? That place is a village. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.108.68.214 ( talk) 09:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay not sure about the pluralisation there - but just writing about the idiocy of having citi counted as metropolises. I've just deleted about 10 German cities that failed to meet any of the criteria. I've had to do similar things on the UK pages about metropolitan areas. Its rediculous - city pride just making people add their cities on here for no good reason. Way to go you like your city - but its not a metropolis just for that reason. It makes wikipedia practically useless if we can't keep to some agree standards.
Since the United States section gives an alternate definition to the word, should it be with the general definition above the contents? - JaKaL! 15:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
How come Prague is not indcluded in the European metropoleis? MiShogun 17:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Where is this weird "metropoleis" coming from? On Goole, metropoles beats metropoleis by 1,890,000 to 1,990, nearly all of them Wikipedia mirrors! Jpatokal 17:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there have been a little discussion before the removal of all those pictures? Who decided what stayed and what went? At the very least it would be helpful to broaden the image selection with a picture from each inhabited continent. Or if we're going with only two, it would be better to use the "most" metropolitan cities in the world, i.e. Mexico City and Tokyo. The two there now have an obvious bias for Anglophone Western Civilization. Please convince me and the rest of the editors of this page that there is some merit to leaving New York City and Johannesburg specifically or I will be bold and change the selection myself. I would prefer to see some discussion on this page about which cities are used for samples. Techgeist 18:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
cleanup: unreasonable number of pictures + pov-check: many cities added are not metropolises. Lord, help us all. The Fat Guy 03:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Using the definition, I propose:
Best regards The Fat Guy 15:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I've tried to make a list of the issues, arguments, and proposed solutions. However, it seems to be difficult to reach a consensus. There are users boosting their prefered towns and claiming they are all metropolises. The article do not need a list of metropolises, world metropolises are well know and easy to find by anyone using the definition or not. The Fat Guy 10:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Encyclopedia articles are supposed to be about things, not words. This article is fundamentally about the *word* "metropolis", not about the category of large cities. Coming up with a consensus definition of the word, furthermore, drifts into the area of original research, and it does not reflect the way the word is used. Usage is generally more poetic than technical
I also think it is wrong to say that the U.S. census definition of a metropolitan area amounts to the definition of a metropolis. The two terms have diverged.
If we must have an article about metropolises, it should be about *really* big cities, say 2 million or more in the metro area. Mark Foskey 01:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Most of the sources defines North America as a continent comprising Canada, the US, Mexico, the Central American countries and the West Indides or Caribbean. This is the geographical model/criteria that should be used if somebody wants to/must to categorize the countries in North America. The geomodel that divides North America into "Northern America and Middle America" is by far not the most common and using it is a clear violation of the Wikipolicy of Undue Weight, that tells that giving too much importance to information/versions that are not the mainstream must not be done. This "model" is NOT the most used and common division of the NA continent. That's why I changed it to an alphabetically ordered list, and then to group only the Central American countries and the Caribbean, the most natural and known division.
However, alphabetic order is always the most neutral solution to follow, but clearly not the most wanted, since the group of Central America and the Caribbean conforms a very specific and well defined group of countries.
Please notice that the North America article presents an alphabetically ordered list of countries in order to avoid such discrepancies when "categorizing" the continent.
Alex Covarrubias ( Talk? ) 19:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Definitions of North America:
We are dealing with major cities here, not countries. Alphabetical order already prevails in subregions for the various continents, North America -- for which there are a number of definitions, including those which exclude Mexico ( or have you forgotten?) -- needn't be treated differently. Subregions merely provide added structure, and the one proposed by AC is no more or less 'natural' than others, or plastic for that matter. In fact, why should we change the listing to satisfy your nationalism/boosterism? Garner consensus before changing the article (which has previously been reverted anonymously despite other edits) or thestatus quo will 'boldly' be restored. Corticopia 20:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Picaroon, I honestly believe that the solution you think is the fastest way to go (
United Nations geoscheme), is certainly not the best. That particular geoscheme is not the only one the UN utilizes in its various organisms. That geoscheme is particularly used by the United Nations Statistics Division. Other organisms within the UN use other geoschemes, for instance the one dedicated to environmental problems, I don't remember the name, I'll paste the link later, the FAO and more specifically the Forest Commisions
[1]. I think we should give the request for comment a chance. The fastest solutions are now always the more reliable I believe. Thanks for all your help! I deeply appreciate it.
Alex
Covarrubias
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17:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Spliting North America in Northern and Middle America has caused several edit wars un many related articles, to avoid this I'd prefer to no split North America in regions or split it in Canada, USA, Mexico, Central America and the West Indies. JC 11:55, 27 September 2007 (PST)
I think it is time to end this. Supaman, JC and I all agree that the use of the division "Northern and Middle" America for NA is undue weight and POV pushing, given the fact that, as the references/evidence pasted at the begining of this debate suggest: NA is always defined as "Canada, US, Mexico, Greenland, Bermuda, St. Pierre and Miquelon, the countries of Central America and the Caribbean". This broadly used definition should be the way to go.
This article originally didn't divide North America, it simply alphabetically presented the cities... until Corticopia changed the article and introduced his POV pushing version of NA divided in Middle and Northern. I think we should list alphabetically as a point of contension or compromise, other way the issue is going to be resolved by voting. Alex C. ( Talk? ) 04:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
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Changed the map text from "Cities with at least a million inhabitants in 2006" to "Cities with at least 500.000 inhabitants in 2006", because most of the dots on the map doesn't have over million inhabitants. (for example USA has only 9 cities with over a million inhabitants, and finland has none) Ilyushka88 11:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
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Why, which one(s) of the removed is/are more than 500.000 (and since when?) James Blond ( talk) 05:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Strange, all Brittish towns are under Northern Europe, while Amsterdam and Antwerp are Western-E. This, whereas the Brittish towns are situated more western than the Dutch and Belgian and not really more northern (some even more southern). The best solution of this matter seems to be dividing in Northwestern, Northeastern, Southwestern and Southeastern Europe. James Blond ( talk) 20:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
In the image gallery, the caption for the image Las Vegas strip.jpg needs to be disambiguated from Las Vegas. While the photo is actually of the Las Vegas Strip, the context of the page would denote that the link should actually point to Las Vegas, Nevada with the link piped so as to render Las Vegas. Thanks! — Elipongo ( Talk contribs) 19:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
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The section entitled contemporary metropolises should be removed to comply with WP:V. Reasons:
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Is there any serious objection to my above reasoning? User:Krator ( t c) 23:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I thoroughly agree that the list should be removed. I clicked on a city at random and it had 90 thousand people which is not a metropolis by anyone's definition, let alone the one on this page. It looks like people have been adding their own cities again without actually reading the criteria for the list. And as no effort's been made to provide citations for any item on the list it would be best deleted forthwith. - Aucitypops ( talk) 05:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Nottingham UK does not fit into the definition of metropolis. The population of the City of Nottingham proper is c.230,000. When the surrounding towns are taken into account the population is increased by around 500,000 to 730,000. So I have deleted it as the article expressly suggests that a metropolis is a population with 500,000 plus a further 1,000,000 in surrounding areas! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.198.79 ( talk) 22:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Does a source exist for the claim that "metropoleis" is a plural for the English word "metropolis"? The OED online (in its draft revised entry for "metropolis", dated as September 2008) makes no mention of it. The same can be said for "megalopoleis" as a presumed plural for the English word "megalopolis" - in the latter case the OED is even more explicit (it says "Plural megalopolises, (irreg. rare) megalopoli, megalopolii, megalopoloi"), and yet Wikipedia has an article titled List of megalopoleis. Thylacoleo ( talk) 03:14, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't think I've ever seen solubility used in this sense! — Tamfang ( talk) 03:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I changed the caption. It had previously read "thumb;" I changed it to read "Beirut." I just wanted to clear it with you guys, since I'm not a frequent, or experienced editor of wikipedia. Also, someone may want to expand my caption. The captions under photos of the other cities have more information in their captions, and the name of the cities is linked to that cities article. I'm pretty dumb when it comes to computers, and wasn't confident I could do a link without screwing it up, and I didn't bother looking up any other information for the caption. Still, I figured an unlinked "Beirut" had to be a better caption than "thumb." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.123.232 ( talk) 18:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
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