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I added categories here for transportation in chicago and transportation in illinois and someone reverted them as redundant to existing category metra. Am I alone in the opinion that category metra isn't very useful and the other two supliment well? What do we gain by only using one (obscure) category? I'm not planning on an edit war so am writing this instead. Tedernst 02:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I was down there today and Metra is calling it Millenium station now. I would change it but I'm still not completely sure. Avalanche Knight 00:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
There was a Board ordinance changing it to Millennium Station after the station was redeveloped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.102.108.66 ( talk) 17:41, August 24, 2007 (UTC)
I broke up the News heading into News and Accidents. All of those events should be here in Wikipedia somewhere, although I don't know if they need to be on this page per se, I do know they don't all belong in News so I'm working under the assumption that none of them do (once they stop being news, of course) and that they deserve their own heading. Any thoughts? Gws57 22:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
The size of the Accidents section is growing, and it bothers me that it's now the longest section in the article. Few other railroads have Accidents sections that take up so much article space. Not that I don't think they are important, but I wonder if the other sections should be expanded, or the Accidents shrunk down a bit -- and how? Gws57 14:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
A recent edit to the Wojtyla accident may suggest to readers that there is a citation for this statement: "A wrongful death lawsuit brought by Wojtyla's estate was dismissed in 1996". That is not true. I have not found a source for that last sentence. The rest of the (very long) paragraph is fully documented. Zzorse 12:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps it's time to create a separate article for accidents so that it doesn't overwhelm the main page? Thoughts? Lonelymiesarchie ( talk) 15:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I think I speak for the general Wikipedia reader when I say, what in the world is a "BNSF 'Racetrack' express train"? — Rob ( talk) 12:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Curious...shouldn't the section regarding the woman struck by the express train in Downers Grove be changed to reflect that, at the time of the accident, Burlington Northern owned that property? BNSF Railway did not exist in any form until 1995. -anon
Okay... I want to see Metra service expanded as much as the next commuter. But uncited "plans" to expand to Milwaukee, Rockford, DeKalb or other places do not belong in an encylopedic article. I added citations to Metra press releases for the legitimate plans for expansion, but the others need to go away until we can come up with credible sources for them. Gws57 23:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I happen to visit the lake bluff station just about everyday. I can get better quality pictures and you can go inside the station and get pictures as well. I'll upload them as soon as I take them. In the mean time, I'm going to put up a picture of one of the trains.
Hi, it looks to me as though there are too many pictures of Lake Bluff. I'm not saying they are not nice, and I'm not saying delete them, but maybe if anybody has some other photos, please post them up. bobsmith319.
I propose that we remove the links which point solely to years. We should retain links to full dates as long as that is how the wiki software recognizes date preferences. MKoltnow 03:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I think we should revert to keeping the current event tag in this section. It refers to the last paragraph--where police are still investigating the cause of the accident of 2006-10-25. Until we rewrite this graf with new info, it should have a current event tag. MKoltnow 19:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I've only seen the 553 club car recently. Is 555 still running out there? -- MasterA113 13:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
This bit of trivia is not particularly significant, and it is not really about Metra, per se. It is something about Downers Grove. I think it should go away. Trivia sections are not a good idea, in general. I will respect consensus, of course, but will endeavour to make this change by 16 April 2007. MKoltnow 19:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
It's not even true, as Evanston also has three stations (Main, Central, and Davis)
There is a Metra accident mentioned on this page, Rachel Barton Pine. Whether it's worth including on the Metra page I'll leave up to others to decide. Zzorse 03:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
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The titles of articles for the Metra lines with cardinal directions (e.g., North or East) in their names use a "slash" between the direction and the word preceding it. For example, the Union Pacific North line is rendered "Union Pacific/North". Why is this? The website doesn't print the line names that way. - Rrius ( talk) 17:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
This route map is WRONG. Believe me, ive been using metra for quite a while. Check out the Metra website if you dont believe me. One example is: North Central Service leaves at Union station NOT Ogilvie
Please replace the image or remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.243.244 ( talk) 02:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Although the map is a little hard to read, it does not show North Central stopping at Ogilvie. That line, with the other two from the north and west snake around to Union. Look again. -- DAW0001 ( talk) 02:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Should the policy from Metra's website (which can be dumbed down to "No children 7 or under are permitted to board the Metra train without parental supervision") be included on the article? Of course, my dumbed down version obviously could do a little NPOV, but it is notable and should be included. 98.226.32.129 ( talk) 08:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the es:Metra links from de:METRA and fr:Metra, (and previously removed them here) and removed links to the French, German and English versions of this page from es:Metra, as the Spanish Language article has a completely different, non-railroad, subject. Hopefully this will help prevent erroneous Bot inter-wiki additions to this article. Wuhwuzdat ( talk) 13:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Would a mention of Metra's code of conduct be appropriate? I personally appreciate Metra's stance on language and disruptive behavior onboard and believe that this is a positive that sets it apart from the CTA. Lonelymiesarchie ( talk) 15:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I trying to tie all of the Metra pages into one easily navigable spot instead of just showing Metra lines. Anyone like this more or less than the current navbox? Suggestions? Only have one section for "lines" with two subsections (current and proposed)? Do nothing? OMGWTFBBQ? Lost on Belmont ( talk) 22:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
This article has several issues - many already discussed on the talk page - so I'll be attempting to address them and rework this article.
I'll try and update other things too, but the list above seemed to be the most serious issues at first glance. DR04 ( talk) 14:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
First off let me say I was so impressed at the number of responses! I hadn't seen much activity here on the discussion page recently and wrongly assumed no one would be responding to my comments! Now - let me clarify a few things, point out some areas where I agree, and some differences of opinion I have.
Please let me know of disagreements/comments, etc. I'll try to keep working on the proposed changes so I have something to offer more than simple criticism. I'll post a link to the sandbox here once I make some decent progress. DR04 ( talk) 17:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Might as well throw this out here since the article is getting a facelift. I've been (slowly) working on a List of Metra stations, but I haven't completed it due to time constraints, lack of constant internet access, and general laziness. The table is complete (it doesn't have opening dates, but this isn't required and the column can always added later) but the lead isn't. Any comments or suggestions, would be great. Lost on Belmont ( talk) 20:53, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Totally dig the rewrite. Made a couple of tweaks (which I explained in my edit summaries), but I have a quick thought. I don't think we need the header paragraph under "Service". It's a bit too HOWTO for my liking (that it's sourced to Metra's "how to" riders' guide reinforces that). But more importantly, the process it describes is the same for every commuter rail system I've even seen. As such, it seems too definitional, for lack of a better word, than is appropriate for this article. This article doesn't exist to define commuter rail; the already linked commuter rail article exists to describe the characteristics that make it commuter rail. So I think it can be safely removed. oknazevad ( talk) 17:38, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Since the majority of the article has been rewritten I also rewrote the lead to reflect the updates and (hopefully) efficiently summarize primary points of the article. I used WP:LEAD and some featured articles as a guide. I removed the mention of the Northeast Illinois Regional Commuter Railroad Corporation from the lead (it still exists in history defining its operational situation) - it is NOT Metra's official business name. Metra is officially a division of the RTA per the Metra site and RTA. The NIRCRC is a corporate front for Metra and the RTA - it manages the purchase/management/leasing of railroads and serves an "adjunct staff function". Just wanted to clear this up in case there was a question. DR04 ( talk) 18:22, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
I've rewritten the Incidents section. I've altered the focus to a more aggregate perspective. I've included only disasters and statistics. Also I've written the section in prose - trying to move away from the lists.
I reverted back to not including these individual incidents (unless catastrophic, there are currently 2). Statistics paint a much better picture and are more notable. In a list format people were listing every little new incident. In reality there were 150 or so deaths - so which ones to include? Why not all? Others here have commented that those with million dollar lawsuits/settlements or those that have videos used by operation lifesaver are notable. Perhaps in a list format (ie List of Metra incidents - maybe a link to article?) - but not here. Why? Because several of these deaths have involved such lawsuits and operation lifesaver has used several of these incidents in videos. I fail to see why that makes those individual incidents notable to include on an individual basis for the primary page on of one of the busiest commuter rail networks. Again, I reassert that Wikipedia is not a memorial or shock site. Listing individual fatalities does not represent Metra's safety failures as a whole, but stats do. Several editors have mentioned their feelings that the accidents/incidents section is growing too large. I attempted to correct this and hopefully the changes encourage more appropriate updates to this topic. DR04 ( talk) 20:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
User at 67.188.158.240 keeps changing the Metra station count to 239. Metra's FAQ page which is literally up to date (html updated as of today) shows a current station count of 241. I've updated the reference, included that reference and updated the page. If this continues to be changed this user should be reported. I've already placed a warning on the editor's talk page to not continuously revert without references. DR04 ( talk) 21:52, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
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This article states that Metra is currently planning two new routes, but this information seems outdated. One of the proposed routes, the Suburban Transit Access Route, is not a serious proposal (or even a proposal at all) anymore, according to the article. The other, the SouthEast Service, has a very outdated article. I don't think that either routes are proposals anymore. I think this article (and the two other articles) should be updated to reflect this, but I would rather leave this up to an editor who is more knowledgable on this specific subject. -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 18:46, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
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Just now, I split "Corruption" off into its own section, added the Don Udstuen-Roger Stanley scandal, and added a bunch of citations. Acwilson9 ( talk) 02:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
most stations have been taken over by the city's they are in, metra has no money, has sold not only it's stations
and it's parking lots too. 50.254.21.211 ( talk) 00:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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While the Route Map drop-down and System Map in the infbox are nice; it'd be really nice to have an embedded map with the lines colored somewhere in the article, preferably in the "Routes" section. Kind of surprised one isn't present in the article, already. Criticalthinker ( talk) 01:46, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
HST
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HSTACC
).] If there is a way to update it to include the aforementioned stations, (along with possibly including Peterson Ridge and Auburn Park) then yes, that's a good alternative. But if not, it sends a bad message when we show a system map "updated as of 2010-2012" in 2023.The disputed source doesn't say who the builder was going to be. The Highliner article is effectively unsourced. Mackensen (talk) 18:59, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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would it be possible for a more up to date header picture such as one of the recently rebuilt F40PH-3s? I feel like the F59PHI isn’t so fitting now considering Metra is entirely rebuilding most of their fleet. thanks! Railfan 124 ( talk) 22:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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I added categories here for transportation in chicago and transportation in illinois and someone reverted them as redundant to existing category metra. Am I alone in the opinion that category metra isn't very useful and the other two supliment well? What do we gain by only using one (obscure) category? I'm not planning on an edit war so am writing this instead. Tedernst 02:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
I was down there today and Metra is calling it Millenium station now. I would change it but I'm still not completely sure. Avalanche Knight 00:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
There was a Board ordinance changing it to Millennium Station after the station was redeveloped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.102.108.66 ( talk) 17:41, August 24, 2007 (UTC)
I broke up the News heading into News and Accidents. All of those events should be here in Wikipedia somewhere, although I don't know if they need to be on this page per se, I do know they don't all belong in News so I'm working under the assumption that none of them do (once they stop being news, of course) and that they deserve their own heading. Any thoughts? Gws57 22:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
The size of the Accidents section is growing, and it bothers me that it's now the longest section in the article. Few other railroads have Accidents sections that take up so much article space. Not that I don't think they are important, but I wonder if the other sections should be expanded, or the Accidents shrunk down a bit -- and how? Gws57 14:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
A recent edit to the Wojtyla accident may suggest to readers that there is a citation for this statement: "A wrongful death lawsuit brought by Wojtyla's estate was dismissed in 1996". That is not true. I have not found a source for that last sentence. The rest of the (very long) paragraph is fully documented. Zzorse 12:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps it's time to create a separate article for accidents so that it doesn't overwhelm the main page? Thoughts? Lonelymiesarchie ( talk) 15:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I think I speak for the general Wikipedia reader when I say, what in the world is a "BNSF 'Racetrack' express train"? — Rob ( talk) 12:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Curious...shouldn't the section regarding the woman struck by the express train in Downers Grove be changed to reflect that, at the time of the accident, Burlington Northern owned that property? BNSF Railway did not exist in any form until 1995. -anon
Okay... I want to see Metra service expanded as much as the next commuter. But uncited "plans" to expand to Milwaukee, Rockford, DeKalb or other places do not belong in an encylopedic article. I added citations to Metra press releases for the legitimate plans for expansion, but the others need to go away until we can come up with credible sources for them. Gws57 23:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I happen to visit the lake bluff station just about everyday. I can get better quality pictures and you can go inside the station and get pictures as well. I'll upload them as soon as I take them. In the mean time, I'm going to put up a picture of one of the trains.
Hi, it looks to me as though there are too many pictures of Lake Bluff. I'm not saying they are not nice, and I'm not saying delete them, but maybe if anybody has some other photos, please post them up. bobsmith319.
I propose that we remove the links which point solely to years. We should retain links to full dates as long as that is how the wiki software recognizes date preferences. MKoltnow 03:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I think we should revert to keeping the current event tag in this section. It refers to the last paragraph--where police are still investigating the cause of the accident of 2006-10-25. Until we rewrite this graf with new info, it should have a current event tag. MKoltnow 19:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I've only seen the 553 club car recently. Is 555 still running out there? -- MasterA113 13:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
This bit of trivia is not particularly significant, and it is not really about Metra, per se. It is something about Downers Grove. I think it should go away. Trivia sections are not a good idea, in general. I will respect consensus, of course, but will endeavour to make this change by 16 April 2007. MKoltnow 19:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
It's not even true, as Evanston also has three stations (Main, Central, and Davis)
There is a Metra accident mentioned on this page, Rachel Barton Pine. Whether it's worth including on the Metra page I'll leave up to others to decide. Zzorse 03:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
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The titles of articles for the Metra lines with cardinal directions (e.g., North or East) in their names use a "slash" between the direction and the word preceding it. For example, the Union Pacific North line is rendered "Union Pacific/North". Why is this? The website doesn't print the line names that way. - Rrius ( talk) 17:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
This route map is WRONG. Believe me, ive been using metra for quite a while. Check out the Metra website if you dont believe me. One example is: North Central Service leaves at Union station NOT Ogilvie
Please replace the image or remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.243.244 ( talk) 02:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Although the map is a little hard to read, it does not show North Central stopping at Ogilvie. That line, with the other two from the north and west snake around to Union. Look again. -- DAW0001 ( talk) 02:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Should the policy from Metra's website (which can be dumbed down to "No children 7 or under are permitted to board the Metra train without parental supervision") be included on the article? Of course, my dumbed down version obviously could do a little NPOV, but it is notable and should be included. 98.226.32.129 ( talk) 08:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the es:Metra links from de:METRA and fr:Metra, (and previously removed them here) and removed links to the French, German and English versions of this page from es:Metra, as the Spanish Language article has a completely different, non-railroad, subject. Hopefully this will help prevent erroneous Bot inter-wiki additions to this article. Wuhwuzdat ( talk) 13:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Would a mention of Metra's code of conduct be appropriate? I personally appreciate Metra's stance on language and disruptive behavior onboard and believe that this is a positive that sets it apart from the CTA. Lonelymiesarchie ( talk) 15:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I trying to tie all of the Metra pages into one easily navigable spot instead of just showing Metra lines. Anyone like this more or less than the current navbox? Suggestions? Only have one section for "lines" with two subsections (current and proposed)? Do nothing? OMGWTFBBQ? Lost on Belmont ( talk) 22:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
This article has several issues - many already discussed on the talk page - so I'll be attempting to address them and rework this article.
I'll try and update other things too, but the list above seemed to be the most serious issues at first glance. DR04 ( talk) 14:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
First off let me say I was so impressed at the number of responses! I hadn't seen much activity here on the discussion page recently and wrongly assumed no one would be responding to my comments! Now - let me clarify a few things, point out some areas where I agree, and some differences of opinion I have.
Please let me know of disagreements/comments, etc. I'll try to keep working on the proposed changes so I have something to offer more than simple criticism. I'll post a link to the sandbox here once I make some decent progress. DR04 ( talk) 17:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Might as well throw this out here since the article is getting a facelift. I've been (slowly) working on a List of Metra stations, but I haven't completed it due to time constraints, lack of constant internet access, and general laziness. The table is complete (it doesn't have opening dates, but this isn't required and the column can always added later) but the lead isn't. Any comments or suggestions, would be great. Lost on Belmont ( talk) 20:53, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Totally dig the rewrite. Made a couple of tweaks (which I explained in my edit summaries), but I have a quick thought. I don't think we need the header paragraph under "Service". It's a bit too HOWTO for my liking (that it's sourced to Metra's "how to" riders' guide reinforces that). But more importantly, the process it describes is the same for every commuter rail system I've even seen. As such, it seems too definitional, for lack of a better word, than is appropriate for this article. This article doesn't exist to define commuter rail; the already linked commuter rail article exists to describe the characteristics that make it commuter rail. So I think it can be safely removed. oknazevad ( talk) 17:38, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Since the majority of the article has been rewritten I also rewrote the lead to reflect the updates and (hopefully) efficiently summarize primary points of the article. I used WP:LEAD and some featured articles as a guide. I removed the mention of the Northeast Illinois Regional Commuter Railroad Corporation from the lead (it still exists in history defining its operational situation) - it is NOT Metra's official business name. Metra is officially a division of the RTA per the Metra site and RTA. The NIRCRC is a corporate front for Metra and the RTA - it manages the purchase/management/leasing of railroads and serves an "adjunct staff function". Just wanted to clear this up in case there was a question. DR04 ( talk) 18:22, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
I've rewritten the Incidents section. I've altered the focus to a more aggregate perspective. I've included only disasters and statistics. Also I've written the section in prose - trying to move away from the lists.
I reverted back to not including these individual incidents (unless catastrophic, there are currently 2). Statistics paint a much better picture and are more notable. In a list format people were listing every little new incident. In reality there were 150 or so deaths - so which ones to include? Why not all? Others here have commented that those with million dollar lawsuits/settlements or those that have videos used by operation lifesaver are notable. Perhaps in a list format (ie List of Metra incidents - maybe a link to article?) - but not here. Why? Because several of these deaths have involved such lawsuits and operation lifesaver has used several of these incidents in videos. I fail to see why that makes those individual incidents notable to include on an individual basis for the primary page on of one of the busiest commuter rail networks. Again, I reassert that Wikipedia is not a memorial or shock site. Listing individual fatalities does not represent Metra's safety failures as a whole, but stats do. Several editors have mentioned their feelings that the accidents/incidents section is growing too large. I attempted to correct this and hopefully the changes encourage more appropriate updates to this topic. DR04 ( talk) 20:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
User at 67.188.158.240 keeps changing the Metra station count to 239. Metra's FAQ page which is literally up to date (html updated as of today) shows a current station count of 241. I've updated the reference, included that reference and updated the page. If this continues to be changed this user should be reported. I've already placed a warning on the editor's talk page to not continuously revert without references. DR04 ( talk) 21:52, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
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Metra's website was recently redone, and because of that, pretty every ref sourced to Metra's website has been broken. Either a bot will archive these refs, or we could find new refs on the new website or others. Just a note. -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 08:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
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Just now, I split "Corruption" off into its own section, added the Don Udstuen-Roger Stanley scandal, and added a bunch of citations. Acwilson9 ( talk) 02:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
most stations have been taken over by the city's they are in, metra has no money, has sold not only it's stations
and it's parking lots too. 50.254.21.211 ( talk) 00:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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Created by Amerail ( talk). Self-nominated at 16:27, 18 March 2022 (UTC).
While the Route Map drop-down and System Map in the infbox are nice; it'd be really nice to have an embedded map with the lines colored somewhere in the article, preferably in the "Routes" section. Kind of surprised one isn't present in the article, already. Criticalthinker ( talk) 01:46, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
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).] If there is a way to update it to include the aforementioned stations, (along with possibly including Peterson Ridge and Auburn Park) then yes, that's a good alternative. But if not, it sends a bad message when we show a system map "updated as of 2010-2012" in 2023.The disputed source doesn't say who the builder was going to be. The Highliner article is effectively unsourced. Mackensen (talk) 18:59, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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would it be possible for a more up to date header picture such as one of the recently rebuilt F40PH-3s? I feel like the F59PHI isn’t so fitting now considering Metra is entirely rebuilding most of their fleet. thanks! Railfan 124 ( talk) 22:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)