This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Why was it necessary for him to change his name by deed poll? If Merlyn Rees had wanted to be known as Baron Smith when he entered the Lords, he could have just indicated that preference and no deed poll would have been required. Why the deed poll when his name became Merlyn-Rees? JackofOz 20:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Peerages have to be approved by Garter King of Arms, and the Garter of the time (quite rightly, in my opinion) thought that "Lord Firstname-Surname" was a silly way to make a title and wouldn't allow it. However, there is a general rule that surnames (except those that are also ranks, like " Duke" or " Marquis") are always permitted (subject to the addition of a territorial bit "before the comma" if the name has been used before, or is also a place name considered too important to allow a mere Baron to have it (hence Lady Scotland of Asthal)). Prospective peers faced with a disapproving Garter can therefore always change their surnames to whatever they want their titles to be, so that Garter is not really in a position to refuse to allow them as peerages. Tony Banks was in an entirely different position, wanting a territorial title, which are always allowed (unless too important), rather than a silly hyphenated invention. (The hyphen is necessary, by the way, because "Lord Merlyn Rees" would be the younger son of a Duke or Marquess with the surname "Rees" — Lloyd George had to have "of Dwyfor" stuck on the end of his Earldom because he didn't want his surname to be hyphenated in it). Proteus (Talk) 21:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I see someone's changed it to "Merlyn Rees, Baron Meryl Rees". Two points:
Can an admin please fix this? -- JackofOz ( talk) 00:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved per request. - GTBacchus( talk) 02:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Merlyn Rees, Baron Merlyn-Rees →
Merlyn Rees — Not commonly known as Baron Merlyn-Rees. The name is a confusing addition and not necessary and this needs to be corected by an administrater.--
Lucy-marie (
talk)
09:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not certain, but aren't British politician article bio intros suposed to avoid using English, Welsh, Scottish & Northern Irish? GoodDay ( talk) 19:13, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Merlyn Rees. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 18:54, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
"Former Home Secretary, Merlyn Rees admits MI5 did wage a dirty tricks campaign against the last Labour government. New allegations of security service involvement in a plan to undermine the Wilson government are disclosed in a book out today, Who Framed Colin Wallace, by Paul Foot. It had to be rushed into print to avoid the new Official Secrets Act, which gets royal assent tomorrow."
<ref name="bufvc/0004900412007">{{cite web |title=Merlyn Rees on MI5 dirty tricks campaign |url=http://bufvc.ac.uk/tvandradio/lbc/index.php/segment/0004900412007 |access-date=26 April 2023 |date=10 May 1989 |website=bufvc.ac.uk |publisher=[[British Universities Film & Video Council]]}}</ref>
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Why was it necessary for him to change his name by deed poll? If Merlyn Rees had wanted to be known as Baron Smith when he entered the Lords, he could have just indicated that preference and no deed poll would have been required. Why the deed poll when his name became Merlyn-Rees? JackofOz 20:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Peerages have to be approved by Garter King of Arms, and the Garter of the time (quite rightly, in my opinion) thought that "Lord Firstname-Surname" was a silly way to make a title and wouldn't allow it. However, there is a general rule that surnames (except those that are also ranks, like " Duke" or " Marquis") are always permitted (subject to the addition of a territorial bit "before the comma" if the name has been used before, or is also a place name considered too important to allow a mere Baron to have it (hence Lady Scotland of Asthal)). Prospective peers faced with a disapproving Garter can therefore always change their surnames to whatever they want their titles to be, so that Garter is not really in a position to refuse to allow them as peerages. Tony Banks was in an entirely different position, wanting a territorial title, which are always allowed (unless too important), rather than a silly hyphenated invention. (The hyphen is necessary, by the way, because "Lord Merlyn Rees" would be the younger son of a Duke or Marquess with the surname "Rees" — Lloyd George had to have "of Dwyfor" stuck on the end of his Earldom because he didn't want his surname to be hyphenated in it). Proteus (Talk) 21:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I see someone's changed it to "Merlyn Rees, Baron Meryl Rees". Two points:
Can an admin please fix this? -- JackofOz ( talk) 00:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved per request. - GTBacchus( talk) 02:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Merlyn Rees, Baron Merlyn-Rees →
Merlyn Rees — Not commonly known as Baron Merlyn-Rees. The name is a confusing addition and not necessary and this needs to be corected by an administrater.--
Lucy-marie (
talk)
09:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not certain, but aren't British politician article bio intros suposed to avoid using English, Welsh, Scottish & Northern Irish? GoodDay ( talk) 19:13, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Merlyn Rees. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 18:54, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
"Former Home Secretary, Merlyn Rees admits MI5 did wage a dirty tricks campaign against the last Labour government. New allegations of security service involvement in a plan to undermine the Wilson government are disclosed in a book out today, Who Framed Colin Wallace, by Paul Foot. It had to be rushed into print to avoid the new Official Secrets Act, which gets royal assent tomorrow."
<ref name="bufvc/0004900412007">{{cite web |title=Merlyn Rees on MI5 dirty tricks campaign |url=http://bufvc.ac.uk/tvandradio/lbc/index.php/segment/0004900412007 |access-date=26 April 2023 |date=10 May 1989 |website=bufvc.ac.uk |publisher=[[British Universities Film & Video Council]]}}</ref>