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It was actually Doctor Strange Annual #2 (1992) that gave that origin for Mephisto as from a collection of evil energy.
Real Name: Unrevealed, “Mephisto” short for “Mephistopheles”, is a name given to him by human beings who believed him to be the legendary Satan
Occupation: Ruler of an extra dimensional land of the dead, sometimes called “Hell” or “Hades”
Birthplace: Unrevealed
Known Relatives: Mephista (daughter), Blackheart (son)
Group Affiliation: None
Height: Variable, usually 6'6
Weight: Variable, usually 310 pounds
Hair: Variable, usually Red
Eyes: Variable, usually White with no visible pupils
Distinguishing Physical Traits: Mephisto possesses inhuman features including pointed ears, sharpened canine teeth, elongated and pointed fingernails, and red skin all in his usual form.
Intelligence: Gifted(significantly above averge IQ and creative talents)
Strength: Incalculable(can military press well over 100 tons, upper limit is unknown)
Speed: Enhanced Human(40-65 miles per hour)
Stamina: Immeasurable(muscles generate absolutely no fatigue toxins)
Durability: Godlike(practically invulnerable to all conventional injury)
Agility: Enhanced Human(beyond the natural limits of the human body)
Reflexes: Enhanced Human(beyond the natural limits of the human body)
Special Skills: Mephisto is exceptionally cunning and adapt at manipulating other beings to do his bidding or simply for his own amusement, even without using his powers. Mephisto also possesses vast knowledge of mystical and arcane lore
Special Notes: Mephisto's vitality is dependent upon the dimension in which he rules. His abilities will steadily weaken the longer he remains outside of it's borders to a certain minimum, so he generally remains within his realm and sends demonic agents to do his bidding. However, even at his weakest, Mephisto is far more powerful than any ordinary human being.
Is it Infiniti or Infinity? Harvestdancer 21:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Should the Mephisto's claim to having been created by the Infinity being be taken as fact since his character is meant to be a liar and he has been given a number of different origins?
Have dealt with the origin question; added some better pictures including the Silver Surfer cover; added correct dates and tidied up spelling and grammar. Have also deleted the reference to Mephisto as a demon as this may not be true. All that is known is that he is a force of evil. Hope it helps.
Asgardian 00:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Pulled some of the claims in Video as they are not sourced and therefore just hearsay.
Asgardian 10:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Umm, The Official Marvel Universe Handbooks are very clear that Mephisto IS a demon (Class II) and the comics themselves call him one. Granted, Marvel's definitions of what a demon is seem a little loose (see Demons entry in the OHOTMU) but the fact he's obviously a sop for Satan is apparent (note that Marvel has flip-flopped on admitting whether there is a real Satan in their universe several times.) - Wilfredo Martinez 18:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
As Satan, Mephisto appeared in the Harmony Gold Dracula cartoon adaptation.
14:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)Enda80
Mephisto has another form, that of a lizard-like creature with dreadlock-like hair. This form has appeared in both the JRJR/Nocenti and Kevin Smith Daredevil runs, and possibly elsewhere, so should an image of this form be included on the page? Kelvingreen 17:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted the image back to Image:Mephistomarvel3.png. The problem that I have with Image:Thor-205.jpg is that Thor the most prominent object in the image, not Mephisto. This is in conflict with the WikiProject Comics editorial guidelines. I don't mind if you use a cover scan, but it should be one which features Mephisto more prominently. -- GentlemanGhost 12:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I have changed the image back to Image:Mephistomarvel3.png. Much better display of Mephisto, and the Silver Surfer cover is being used in the Silver Surfer article. -- DCincarnate 07:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Look at that cover! Silver Surfer #3 clearly says DEC under the number. It's a trivial detail, but its change (from December back to October) among the rest of these reversions makes me wonder how many of you are seriously trying to end this edit war or if it's just one big "pissing contest" while people fight for the sheer sake of trying to get their own way by seeing who's stubborn enough to outlast the others. Are you reading the edit summaries? Are you actually looking at what the other editors have done, or do you just look to see how much red shows up when you compare the current version to the last version you personally posted? Doczilla 05:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Silver Surfer #3
What's the source of this image?
Both present fairly appropriate views. The lower image actually gives a better look at the character's upper body, and it doesn't have other characters in the way. The upper image is historically important as the cover when the character debuted, and it shows more of the character (down onto upper legs). Let's vote and stick with one. I don't personally care which you go with. I just needed to cite Silver Surfer #3 this week to get people to stop reverting the month. Doczilla 06:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
The article says Sal Buscema was the artist co-creator but the SHB credits John Buscema for the cover. Is that right? It's possible, but it could also be a mistake. Doczilla 19:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Rule 1 at WP:CMC/EG#Superhero_box_images no longer applies now that we have source information on both pictures.
Rule 2 has six bullet points, two of which aren't really relevant. Look at the other 4:
Re: "The ideal image is a full-body, three-quarter picture of the character standing straight with no background, with a facing-the-camera or profile picture as the next-best." SS3 has the advantage. The TA13 pic stops at the waist and Mephisto is not standing straight. The SS3 pic goes onto upper legs and Mephisto is standing straight. SS3 wins.
Re: "If a full-body shot is unavailable, the picture must show the whole of the head and torso (or the equivalent for non-humanoid characters)." Both have problems. On the SS3 cover, Mephisto's hand and the Silver Surfer block part of the view. However, the TA13 pic does not go as far down the torso. Personaly I think SS3 has the sliver of an advantage here because the portions that are blocked are blocked in a way that let the reader accurately fill in the gaps, whereas for all you know in the TA13 picture, Mephiso is naked except for his cape.
Re: "Pictures which hide significant areas of the character in shadow should be avoided" Both pictures have shadow on the upper body, but not shadows that actually hide. Arguably, they accent his appearance as a standard feature of the character. No winner.
Re: "Colouring should be neutral - pictures which have a heavy colour cast, or otherwise depict the character with false colours should not be uploaded unless the cast has been removed first." Mephisto is not yellow. TA13 wins.
So for rule 2, I think SS3 has a sliver of an advantage.
Rule 3 pushes it in the other direction, though:
Re: "Pictures which have more characters and/or objects than the subject of the article should only be used if the subject is the most prominent object - editing the picture, by cropping, obscuring and/or painting out the other characters may help to ensure this." SS3 is technically sufficient, but TA13 clearly fits this requirement better because it has no other characters at all. TA13 wins this point. Doczilla 08:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the Mephisto in Diablo 2 is a reference to the Marvel Mephisto... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.223.125 ( talk) 00:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
OK...the lead has been reworked in line with an agreement at Wikicomics; the new appearances are all there - with proper dates - but are neatly threaded so it doesn't read like the usual "tell the story" with so and so doing this and this. There is now a logical sequence, as we start with the prime foes (the Surfer and Thor) and then look at the other appearances. Also placed the mention of his realm in the second half of the first sentence in FCB. Also added a few precursors as the layman may not know what the Surfer, Dracula and Topaz are. Also trimmed Notable Aliases as four is plenty: no need for every name! It now looks pretty sharp. Thank you for the new entries.
Asgardian ( talk) 19:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I seem to remember the following story being part of the secret wars II storyline, but my memory could be at fault. I think it deserves a mention in either the Mephisto or Beyonder sections. The following is from http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/beyondersw.htm
(Amazing Spider-Man I#274) - As the Beyonder stood in space, he was attacked by a preemptive space fleet of aliens bent on destroying him. He wiped the fleet from existence, then did the same to the homeworlds the members of the flee emanated from. Realizing that certain cosmic powers still retained the memories of those beings, the Beyonder set out to wipe out those too, starting with Mephisto. Mephisto offered a wager to the Beyonder: Should Mephisto's champion win their duel, Mephisto's realm would be allowed to remain after the Beyonder wiped out the multiverse for a full day. The Beyonder chose Spider-Man to be Mephisto's champion, then chose the demon Zarathos as his own. Zarathos tried to corrupt Spider-Man by taking the forms of various people who had died in Spider-Man's life, but Spider-Man overcame the psychological torture and defeated the demon. The Beyonder allowed Mephisto's realm and the multiverse itself one more day of existence. Pignut ( talk) 13:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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I have reversed the bold moving of this page to Mephisto (character) because there are multiple notable characters with this name. Despite what WP:NCC suggests, there are many examples of articles titled this way (such as Hela, Serpent, and Mettle just on this page), probably for the same reason. -- Fyrael ( talk) 20:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Curious; how can a being that can manipulate memories and cast illusions be unable to subjugate the will of another being without the victim's permission? If every memory tells a person something that Mephisto wants them to believe, then he compounds that with illusions that the person is actually seeing on top of it, how is that any different really than basically controlling that person's behavior? They would have to do the exact opposite of every single thing they believe in and have 'experienced' in their (fake) lifetime on top of going against the 'proof' they have right in front of their eyes, which is incredibly unlikely and out of character for the most part, to go against what Mephisto wants... no? Is this how it is written in the comics or is the Wikipedia description to blame? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaybonaut ( talk • contribs) 11:58, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
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It was actually Doctor Strange Annual #2 (1992) that gave that origin for Mephisto as from a collection of evil energy.
Real Name: Unrevealed, “Mephisto” short for “Mephistopheles”, is a name given to him by human beings who believed him to be the legendary Satan
Occupation: Ruler of an extra dimensional land of the dead, sometimes called “Hell” or “Hades”
Birthplace: Unrevealed
Known Relatives: Mephista (daughter), Blackheart (son)
Group Affiliation: None
Height: Variable, usually 6'6
Weight: Variable, usually 310 pounds
Hair: Variable, usually Red
Eyes: Variable, usually White with no visible pupils
Distinguishing Physical Traits: Mephisto possesses inhuman features including pointed ears, sharpened canine teeth, elongated and pointed fingernails, and red skin all in his usual form.
Intelligence: Gifted(significantly above averge IQ and creative talents)
Strength: Incalculable(can military press well over 100 tons, upper limit is unknown)
Speed: Enhanced Human(40-65 miles per hour)
Stamina: Immeasurable(muscles generate absolutely no fatigue toxins)
Durability: Godlike(practically invulnerable to all conventional injury)
Agility: Enhanced Human(beyond the natural limits of the human body)
Reflexes: Enhanced Human(beyond the natural limits of the human body)
Special Skills: Mephisto is exceptionally cunning and adapt at manipulating other beings to do his bidding or simply for his own amusement, even without using his powers. Mephisto also possesses vast knowledge of mystical and arcane lore
Special Notes: Mephisto's vitality is dependent upon the dimension in which he rules. His abilities will steadily weaken the longer he remains outside of it's borders to a certain minimum, so he generally remains within his realm and sends demonic agents to do his bidding. However, even at his weakest, Mephisto is far more powerful than any ordinary human being.
Is it Infiniti or Infinity? Harvestdancer 21:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Should the Mephisto's claim to having been created by the Infinity being be taken as fact since his character is meant to be a liar and he has been given a number of different origins?
Have dealt with the origin question; added some better pictures including the Silver Surfer cover; added correct dates and tidied up spelling and grammar. Have also deleted the reference to Mephisto as a demon as this may not be true. All that is known is that he is a force of evil. Hope it helps.
Asgardian 00:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Pulled some of the claims in Video as they are not sourced and therefore just hearsay.
Asgardian 10:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Umm, The Official Marvel Universe Handbooks are very clear that Mephisto IS a demon (Class II) and the comics themselves call him one. Granted, Marvel's definitions of what a demon is seem a little loose (see Demons entry in the OHOTMU) but the fact he's obviously a sop for Satan is apparent (note that Marvel has flip-flopped on admitting whether there is a real Satan in their universe several times.) - Wilfredo Martinez 18:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
As Satan, Mephisto appeared in the Harmony Gold Dracula cartoon adaptation.
14:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)Enda80
Mephisto has another form, that of a lizard-like creature with dreadlock-like hair. This form has appeared in both the JRJR/Nocenti and Kevin Smith Daredevil runs, and possibly elsewhere, so should an image of this form be included on the page? Kelvingreen 17:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted the image back to Image:Mephistomarvel3.png. The problem that I have with Image:Thor-205.jpg is that Thor the most prominent object in the image, not Mephisto. This is in conflict with the WikiProject Comics editorial guidelines. I don't mind if you use a cover scan, but it should be one which features Mephisto more prominently. -- GentlemanGhost 12:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I have changed the image back to Image:Mephistomarvel3.png. Much better display of Mephisto, and the Silver Surfer cover is being used in the Silver Surfer article. -- DCincarnate 07:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Look at that cover! Silver Surfer #3 clearly says DEC under the number. It's a trivial detail, but its change (from December back to October) among the rest of these reversions makes me wonder how many of you are seriously trying to end this edit war or if it's just one big "pissing contest" while people fight for the sheer sake of trying to get their own way by seeing who's stubborn enough to outlast the others. Are you reading the edit summaries? Are you actually looking at what the other editors have done, or do you just look to see how much red shows up when you compare the current version to the last version you personally posted? Doczilla 05:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Silver Surfer #3
What's the source of this image?
Both present fairly appropriate views. The lower image actually gives a better look at the character's upper body, and it doesn't have other characters in the way. The upper image is historically important as the cover when the character debuted, and it shows more of the character (down onto upper legs). Let's vote and stick with one. I don't personally care which you go with. I just needed to cite Silver Surfer #3 this week to get people to stop reverting the month. Doczilla 06:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
The article says Sal Buscema was the artist co-creator but the SHB credits John Buscema for the cover. Is that right? It's possible, but it could also be a mistake. Doczilla 19:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Rule 1 at WP:CMC/EG#Superhero_box_images no longer applies now that we have source information on both pictures.
Rule 2 has six bullet points, two of which aren't really relevant. Look at the other 4:
Re: "The ideal image is a full-body, three-quarter picture of the character standing straight with no background, with a facing-the-camera or profile picture as the next-best." SS3 has the advantage. The TA13 pic stops at the waist and Mephisto is not standing straight. The SS3 pic goes onto upper legs and Mephisto is standing straight. SS3 wins.
Re: "If a full-body shot is unavailable, the picture must show the whole of the head and torso (or the equivalent for non-humanoid characters)." Both have problems. On the SS3 cover, Mephisto's hand and the Silver Surfer block part of the view. However, the TA13 pic does not go as far down the torso. Personaly I think SS3 has the sliver of an advantage here because the portions that are blocked are blocked in a way that let the reader accurately fill in the gaps, whereas for all you know in the TA13 picture, Mephiso is naked except for his cape.
Re: "Pictures which hide significant areas of the character in shadow should be avoided" Both pictures have shadow on the upper body, but not shadows that actually hide. Arguably, they accent his appearance as a standard feature of the character. No winner.
Re: "Colouring should be neutral - pictures which have a heavy colour cast, or otherwise depict the character with false colours should not be uploaded unless the cast has been removed first." Mephisto is not yellow. TA13 wins.
So for rule 2, I think SS3 has a sliver of an advantage.
Rule 3 pushes it in the other direction, though:
Re: "Pictures which have more characters and/or objects than the subject of the article should only be used if the subject is the most prominent object - editing the picture, by cropping, obscuring and/or painting out the other characters may help to ensure this." SS3 is technically sufficient, but TA13 clearly fits this requirement better because it has no other characters at all. TA13 wins this point. Doczilla 08:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the Mephisto in Diablo 2 is a reference to the Marvel Mephisto... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.223.125 ( talk) 00:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
OK...the lead has been reworked in line with an agreement at Wikicomics; the new appearances are all there - with proper dates - but are neatly threaded so it doesn't read like the usual "tell the story" with so and so doing this and this. There is now a logical sequence, as we start with the prime foes (the Surfer and Thor) and then look at the other appearances. Also placed the mention of his realm in the second half of the first sentence in FCB. Also added a few precursors as the layman may not know what the Surfer, Dracula and Topaz are. Also trimmed Notable Aliases as four is plenty: no need for every name! It now looks pretty sharp. Thank you for the new entries.
Asgardian ( talk) 19:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I seem to remember the following story being part of the secret wars II storyline, but my memory could be at fault. I think it deserves a mention in either the Mephisto or Beyonder sections. The following is from http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/beyondersw.htm
(Amazing Spider-Man I#274) - As the Beyonder stood in space, he was attacked by a preemptive space fleet of aliens bent on destroying him. He wiped the fleet from existence, then did the same to the homeworlds the members of the flee emanated from. Realizing that certain cosmic powers still retained the memories of those beings, the Beyonder set out to wipe out those too, starting with Mephisto. Mephisto offered a wager to the Beyonder: Should Mephisto's champion win their duel, Mephisto's realm would be allowed to remain after the Beyonder wiped out the multiverse for a full day. The Beyonder chose Spider-Man to be Mephisto's champion, then chose the demon Zarathos as his own. Zarathos tried to corrupt Spider-Man by taking the forms of various people who had died in Spider-Man's life, but Spider-Man overcame the psychological torture and defeated the demon. The Beyonder allowed Mephisto's realm and the multiverse itself one more day of existence. Pignut ( talk) 13:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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I have reversed the bold moving of this page to Mephisto (character) because there are multiple notable characters with this name. Despite what WP:NCC suggests, there are many examples of articles titled this way (such as Hela, Serpent, and Mettle just on this page), probably for the same reason. -- Fyrael ( talk) 20:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Curious; how can a being that can manipulate memories and cast illusions be unable to subjugate the will of another being without the victim's permission? If every memory tells a person something that Mephisto wants them to believe, then he compounds that with illusions that the person is actually seeing on top of it, how is that any different really than basically controlling that person's behavior? They would have to do the exact opposite of every single thing they believe in and have 'experienced' in their (fake) lifetime on top of going against the 'proof' they have right in front of their eyes, which is incredibly unlikely and out of character for the most part, to go against what Mephisto wants... no? Is this how it is written in the comics or is the Wikipedia description to blame? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaybonaut ( talk • contribs) 11:58, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
mep 45.251.49.245 ( talk) 17:16, 5 April 2023 (UTC)