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The first sentence says: "A mental disorder (also called a mental illness, psychiatric disorder, or psychological disorder)". I am not sure if it is appropriate to list "mental disorder" and "mental illness" as synonyms, as there are several conditions which are called "mental disorder" but almost never "mental illness", such as aspergers/autism and stuttering. While all mental illnesses are regarded as mental disorders, I do not think it is appropriate to list the two as interchangeable, and I think that listing the two terms as synonyms is a little problematic in that regard. Should a distinction between "mental disorder" and "mental illness" be made in this article? Sega31098 ( talk) 02:18, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
A Definitions and terminology section seems like the right way to go, to me. As to what would belong there, well, a distilled and sourced version of what we have been talking about here.
I think the example of 'Aspergers' noted above is somewhat of a canard, as far as what terms people employ regarding it. Sometimes colloquial expressions arise out of sympathy, or are avoided out of sympathy, and that may or may not be a good thing societally (intentionally avoiding the PC issue here) but using or avoiding a particular term more than another doesn't affect what the academic definition of the terms actually are, only their frequency of usage among the public, and the sense of public acceptance or opprobrium in the shifting sands of language evolution.
We should report the academic usage, which should be relatively easy to source, and we could report the public usage, including the examples posited above of public avoidance of certain terms with respect to Aspergers and the like, if that can be sourced adequately. My 2¢. Mathglot ( talk) 20:03, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Schizophrenia results in psychosis and therefore fits well under that heading aswell. We do not need a one sentence section. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:51, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Agreed; the overlap between psychosis (symptom) and schizophrenia, bipolar etc (illnesses) hobbles us here. I'm happy with what you've done for now ; it think it works fine. Maybe at some point we'll need to revisit, e.g. to list only illnesses, and then include psychosis prevention evidence in both 'schizo' and 'bipolar' paras. JCJC777 —Preceding undated comment added 08:02, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Having a mental disorder is a risk factor for depression caused by prejudice (i.e. "deprejudice”). When someone is prejudiced against people who have mental disorders and then is diagnosed with a mental disorder themself, their prejudice against people with mental disorders turns inward, causing depression. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.33.77.132 ( talk) 17:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
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[Apologies in advance for any formatting issues, but I'd like to add to the stigma section.]
In the field of mental health stigma research there are three commonly acknowledged components of stigma: stereotype, prejudice, and discrimination1,2.
There are two dimensions of stigma. Public (or social) stigma is the awareness of stereotypes that the public and society holds about people who are living with mental illnesses1. Public stigma also involves prejudice, or ascribing to stereotypes with negative emotional reactions like fear. The discrimination component of public stigma can include social avoidance, denial of employment, etc. Self-stigma refers to the internalization of these stereotypes and applying and agreeing with the stereotypes and prejudices put forth by society1,2,3.
1. Corrigan PW, Watson AC: The paradox of self-stigma and mental illness. Clinical Psychology: Science and Practice 9:35–53, 2002
2. Corrigan PW, Watson AC. Understanding the Impact of Stigma on People with Mental Illness. World Psychiatry. 2002; 1 (1): 16-20.
3. Corrigan PW. Target Specific Stigma Change: A Strategy for Impacting Mental Illness Stigma. Psychiatric Rehabilitation Journal. 2004; 28 (2): 113-120.
I don't know where the 5 sources under here came from or how to make them go away! Sorry I added to the bottom of the page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PsycTerp ( talk • contribs) 18:46, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
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Please change:
'Various behavioral addictions, such as gambling addiction, may be classed as a disorder. Obsessive-compulsive disorder can sometimes involve an inability to resist certain acts but is classed separately as being primarily an anxiety disorder.'
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'Various behavioral addictions, such as gambling addiction, may be classed as a disorder. These disorders are often linked with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder; which is an impulse control disorder and which is common in addicts who have subconsciously learned the behavior as a means of self-medicating [1]. Obsessive-compulsive disorder can sometimes involve an inability to resist certain acts but is classed separately as being primarily an anxiety disorder.'
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'A range of developmental disorders that initially occur in childhood may be diagnosed, for example autism spectrum disorders, oppositional defiant disorder and conduct disorder, and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), which may continue into adulthood.'
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' Developmental disorders initially occur in childhood and include language disorders, learning disorders and motor disorders (such as dyspraxia). Not all mental disorders that tend to present first in childhood come under the definition of developmental disorders. These include autism spectrum disorders, oppositional defiant disorder and conduct disorder, and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), which frequently continue into adulthood.'
because the original list is incorrect, and because only 40% of people with ADHD in childhood cease having it once they reach adulthood, and ASD is not expected to cease during adulthood.
Thank you!
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Is there a section for Mild Schizophrenia, thanks. Severe schizofrenia is not LD. I have Learning disabilities. It is when you have problems controling the environment you are in. It is very noticable. However, I have been indirect contact with two cases of mild schizofrenia. Both are in total control of their environment. However, they are 1.) at times irrational 2.) will hallucinate or see things not there 3.) at times violent or very easily provoked. Severe schizofrenia is when they are highly irrational or not able to control functions. Whether its to please you or simply get you out of the way, people with mild schizofrenia will act unrationally for attention. They will also lack in sensing the emotional areas of the brain such as sensing sorrow, or love for a dead one. Naturally, they will be behind educationally as well. Mild schizofrenia is when they are at most times rational but not able to control action or reaction ie emotional disabilities is meant for mild schizofrenia, and asylums are usually meant for severe cases of schizofrenia. ADHD is not classified as schizofrenia, it should be reclassified under Learning disabilities or a mild case of learning disabilities (actually it may infact mean too many nerve endings to the brain, and be a positive sign of hyperactivity). Because I know at least 1 case with ADHD and that particular person seemed totally normal. Learning disabilities and emotional disabilities are very far apart. Emotional disabilities equates to Mild schizofrenia or a certain loss of brain function whilst learning disabilities equates to loss of neural function where brain activity is not defective, only neuralogical activity is ie reaction time via electronic signals going to the brain such as sense of touch, or feeling. People with LD sense things, but its usually delayed due to loss of receptors rather than skull size eg neuralogical activity or lack of nerve endings going to the brain.!-- Template:Unsigned IP -->— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.30.97 ( talk) 21:02, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
The current picture is 1857 and relates to asylums, a now-outmoded form of treatment/containment. How about an image like http://cdn-04.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/article34513606.ece/546f3/AUTOCROP/w620/PANews%20BT_P-4c1c7b2c-ce24-4af9-922a-c60b024c89eb_I1.jpg? JCJC777 6 Dec 2016
Thanks - good points. Could I suggest we use one of the pictures being used here; /info/en/?search=Major_depressive_disorder? I am concerned the current picture immediately disinterests possible readers, as it looks so unlike their current interest. Thanks JCJC777 ( talk)
Moved from here:
Hi Jytdog, can you please comment a bit more on your revert of my additions? Where did I violate WP:ELNEVER? My edits had nothing to do with external links. What do you mean by "Content added only to the lead and not to the body" and "this content is not about diagnosis per se"?
I was somewhat confused that you reverted my work on really important topics (like quality of life and "symptoms vs impairment"-stuff) because there is much text in the mental disorder article anyway that is either irrelevant or poorly sourced.
If you think that my edits don't belong there, please suggest to me other articles where it might fit. Thanks very much for your clarifications.-- Trantüte ( talk) 20:14, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Pls weigh in: Talk:Life_expectancy#Life_expectancy_of_the_mentally_ill. fgnievinski ( talk) 02:54, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Compared to placebos, SSRIs are not very effective in treating mild or moderate depression.
They are somewhat effective in treating severe depression.
The increased relative effectiveness against severe depression was not because the medication is more effective, but because placebos are less effective in such cases. [1]
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Benjamin ( talk) 21:21, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Jytdog The definition section of our article, needs to be completely updated to reflect current terminology of mental disorders. DSM-5 definition of mental disorder is significantly different that DSM-IV. Commentary on DSM-IV once it is updated is obviously, irrelevant. Any objections Jytdog, or others, before I proceed? Charlotte135 ( talk) 01:22, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
The majority of research is still based on the DSM4. Some, including the NIMH, have be hesitant to adopt some aspects of the DSM5. I do not think everything from the DSM4 needs removing. But the DSM5 should definitely be reflected and given prominence. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 15:22, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
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talk) 06:49, 14 May 2017 (UTC)Mathglot, I do realize how to link usernames, but I didn't wish to bother Jytdog over such a minor point. In fact, I have linked your username a couple of times in our earlier discussions, at 11:07, 7 May 2017 (UTC) for instance, don't you remember? Anyway, given a good consensus was reached, which is all I ever try to achieve, and my much needed edit was added to the article, I decided there was no rush, and I knew Jytdog was watching the page. Alerting him to my comment seemed unnecessary. As far as adding my source to the edit, it was only a matter of minutes before Jytdog jumped on it and reverted, that was all. Good luck with your own editing of our articles. All the best. Charlotte135 ( talk) 05:06, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BCVhuiXgHM
New Study Shows Mental Health Diagnoses and Treatment Vary Significantly by Race and Ethnicity
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As to my 4 December 2017 edit, subsequent reversion by another editor, and that editor's followup concessions, I here discuss the issue of what a mental disorder is.
- prior version said, "...is a behavioral or mental pattern that may cause suffering or a poor ability to function in life".
- my version said, "..is a mental or behavioral pattern that causes oneself especial distress, dysfunctional lifestyle, or both" [ diff].
- extant version says, "..is a behavioral or mental pattern that may cause significant distress or poor ability to function" [ diff].
One, there is the issue of overlinking, as the wikilinking of commonly understood words can distract a reader. Otherwise, there were key problems with the prior wording saying that it "may cause suffering or a poor ability to function in life". A mental disorder does not merely "may cause"; it is a definition of what it must cause. Although wording is fraught with ambiguity, it still is a concept of certain essential criteria.
Experts commonly capture the gist by saying that a mental disorder is a pattern that causes "distress or dysfunction" [Cromby J, Harper D & Reavey P, Psychology, Mental Health and Distress (New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2013), p 13]. And it must be caused to oneself—not merely distress to others. If it generally distresses others, though, then it likely is already one's own dysfunction. Anyway, since my change of "suffering"—a word too vague, encompassing consequences of poverty and abuse—to "distress" was accepted, that issue is moot.
Leaving aside distress as a possibly sole consequence, a mental disorder is not merely "poor functioning", which can easily be read grandly as "general incapacity" or merely as "underachieving". Although a mental disorder involves some especial dysfunction—not explained by culture or subculture—the person may be overachieving, extremely successful, or function extremely well overall. Yet the disorder, nonetheless, causes poor functioning in some area of the lifestyle. So the person may function very well overall, especially via compensations, but the lifestyle shows dysfunction in one area, perhaps food or sex, for instance. — Occurring ( talk) 20:46, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Moments ago, thinking myself to heed all concerns stated above in this talkpage section, I revised the lead's sentence to say, "... is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant personal distress or impairment of an important area of personal function" [ diff]. Meanwhile, I cited a single page that confirmed by prior belief [Bolton D, What is Mental Disorder? (OUP, 2008), p 6]. Yet afterward, I read the previous page, too, which contradicts my prior belief: it says that "not all" mental disorders require "distress or impairment".
Although not a relevant professional or scholar, I am quite avid for the history and philosophy of science as well as for the history and sociology of medicine, and have, in earlier years, seen multiple academic psychiatric sources stress the criterion of distress or dysfunction as requisite to legitimize a mental disorder's distinction from a mere abnormality. Yet to respect and cohere with the source that I cited in the lead, perhaps the word usually or other qualifier, ironically reminiscent of, if still differing from, may cause, ought to be added the lead's sentence. — Occurring ( talk) 02:22, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
What is the actual justification or necessity for using, right at the top, artwork based on 19th century diagnostic categories, including supposed 'idiocy', and 19th century forms of psychiatric detention such as strait jackets? Would it not be more appropriate in the history section along with a caveat?
Where is the source for which person supposedly represents which 19th century diagnosis? Why is a 21st century article headed by a 19th century diagnostic picture?
Oshwah in immediately reverting the removal (fair enough) you suggest you don't understand why it's sexist to illustrate mental disorder with eight women. Actually it's described as eight women but where is the source for that? And source for which behavior supposedly represents which disorder? This suggests it's not clear to the public https://www.quora.com/What-characters-in-this-picture-represent-each-condition
I note that also the first sentence in referencing 'poor' functioning in life, wikilinks to 'deviancy' which is also a somewhat dated term I think?? But ironically could be seen as better than 'poor' if incorporates the possibility of a divergence that creates problems in functioning in society (social model of disability as adopted by the World Health Organization, whereas this article assumes from the get-go a simple medical model of disability) Neurohz ( talk) 11:58, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Forgot to add these sources on it feeding into a known sexism in this field, that works against both women and men in different ways: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/how-sexist-stereotypes-mean-doctors-ignore-womens-pain-a7157931.html - https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/men-and-the-stigma-of-mental-illness-dg/ Neurohz ( talk) 12:00, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Tryptofish, you're fiddling with the image description to 'make it clearer that the image does not reflect modern medicine' and 'to better convey the historical nature of the image'. Could you clarify why you apparently want to keep this image at the top of this article on mental disorder?
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Mental disorder/Archive 4 | |
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Other names | Psychiatric disorder, psychological disorder, mental illness, mental disease |
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders categorizes these disorders. | |
Specialty | Psychiatry |
Symptoms | Agitation, anxiety, depression, mania, paranoia, psychosis |
Complications | Cognitive impairment, social problems, suicide |
Types | Anxiety disorders, eating disorders, mood disorders, neurodevelopmental disorders, personality disorders, psychotic disorders, substance use disorders |
Causes | Genetic and environmental factors |
Treatment | Psychotherapy, medications |
Medication | Antidepressants, antipsychotics, anxiolytics, mood stabilizers |
Frequency | 18% per year (United States) [1] |
How about this? -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:18, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Lead images should be natural and appropriate representations of the topic; they should not only illustrate the topic specifically, but also be the type of image used for similar purposes in high-quality reference works, and therefore what our readers will expect to see. Lead images are not required, and not having a lead image may be the best solution if there is no easy representation of the topic.A picture of a book is clearly not a natural representation of the topic and it may be better to have no image. I don't have a problem with the previous image and seems strange to change the image when from what I saw the consensus (or atleast majority) is fine or supportive for the previous image Galobtter ( pingó mió) 22:57, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Here are two others. I assume that those who oppose the current one will find many of the others objectionable as well. Mental illness is potentially very serious. And the history of the treatment of mental illness is not something we should be trying to hide, even though it is often disturbing Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 18:54, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
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A mental disorder is a condition stemming from a psychological inconsistency not adherent to social norms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jahansen.28.28 ( talk • contribs) 22:59, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
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In the first sentence of the third paragraph, Services are based in psychiatric hospitals or in the community, and assessments are carried out by psychiatrists, psychologists, and clinical social workers, using various methods such as psychometric tests but often relying on observation and questioning. Can you please change it to Services are based in psychiatric hospitals or in the community, and assessments are carried out by mental health professionals such as psychiatrists, psychologists, and clinical social workers, using various methods such as psychometric tests but often relying on observation and questioning.? The reason why is because there are other professionals that give assessments such as nurse practitioners, counselors, and primary care physicians. 2601:183:101:58D0:B51D:E6ED:F403:3C32 ( talk) 12:22, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Currently, the article states
Although researchers have been looking for decades for clear linkages between genetics and mental disorders to provide better diagnosis and facilitate the development of better treatments, that work has yielded almost nothing
yet in every article on wikipedia that I've read regarding specific mental disorders, such as Oppositional Defiant Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder, they all say that those disorders are largely heritable. ADHD actually has a number of genes linked to it. The human mind and mental disorders are much more complex than, say, eye color (which is also more complex than most people think), but that does not mean there isn't a genetic link. So, can we update this section, perhaps lifting the sources from the other mental disorder wiki pages? 67.253.115.246 ( talk) 06:23, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
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" Environmental factors" is used in the infobox, but that redirects to Biophysical environment. " environmental factors" would be better, per MOS:SPECIFICLINK. 92.249.211.146 ( talk) 09:22, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
A user is repeatedly removing the redirect to this page from Nervous breakdown here. Nervous breakdown is defined in this article and I believe consensus will be required for the creation of this new article. I invite the user T g7 to discuss here before reverting the redirect again. Polyamorph ( talk) 20:26, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your attention. "Nervous breakdown" is not a medical term whereas "Mental disorder" is. "Nervous breakdown" is a folk concept which is not recognized by any medical authority and which has its own distinct etymology and history. Hence it should not be conflated with "mental disorder." T g7 ( talk) 12:11, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
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Immediately before the second appearance of "Thomas Szasz" is an unneeded / character. Could you remove it? 208.95.51.53 ( talk) 15:51, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
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Mental disorder should not equated with mental illness. They are not synonymous and this creates more stigma. A person with a mental disorder is disabled but necessarily mentally ill. Mental illness means that the person is at very high risk of harming oneself or others. Mentally disabled people with a metal disorder are usually not mentally ill in this way. This differentiation is essential for people to get help. Cbinetti ( talk) 06:18, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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Mental disorders are not all forms of mental illness. This article equates the two. This is inaccurate. Cbinetti ( talk) 17:26, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Whether it is or not, Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DarthFlappy ( talk) 18:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
I would propose that the unreliable source tag be removed from Reference #94. The individual is clearly a clinical and research psychologist, is a fellow in the Women in Public Policy Program at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. There is nothing to suggest that either the author or that Harvard is an "unreliable source", thus it appears that the tag has been abused for ideological or political reasons for which the tag is not designed. If the tag was placed to essentially show that the view is not a majority or minority view, then that objective is met based on the subsection title "criticism". 98.178.179.240 ( talk) 02:39, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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Under the heading Drug Use: Peer pressure is the main reason why start using substances. -----> Peer pressure is the main reason why adolescents start using substances. 2604:3D09:A281:700:91B2:6207:D3F2:964B ( talk) 18:56, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
I have noticed that this article primarily focuses on mental disorders in the Western world. I think it would be beneficial to provide some information on mental disorders in other cultures as well. To make the page's treatment of the subject more thorough, I would like to include some information from the following sources in order to provide a more thorough presentation of the subject matter:
Ikuwaka, Ugo; Gallbraith, Niall; Manktelow, Ken; Chen-Wilson, Josephine; Oyebode, Femi; Mumoh, Rosemary (2016). "Attitude Towards Mental Illness in Southeastern Nigeria: The Contradictions of a Communitarian Culture". Journal of Community Psychology. 44: 182–198.
Forthal, Sarah; Fekadu, Abebaw; Medhin, Girmay; Selamu, Medhin; Thornicroft, Graham; Hanlon, Charlotte (2019). "Rural vs urban residence and experience of discrimination among people with severe mental illness in Ethiopia". BMC Psychiatry.
Njenga, Frank G.; Nguithi, Anna N.; Kang'ethe, Rachel N. (2006). "War and mental disorders in Africa". World Psychiatry. 5: 38–39.ly, l
Is this acceptable? Rumbleisred ( talk) 03:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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I have an alternative non-primary source for Reference #39 that comes after the text "The extent to which unipolar and bipolar mood phenomena represent distinct categories of disorder, or mix and merge along a dimension or spectrum of mood, is subject to some scientific debate." The new non-primary source I suggest as a replacement is https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/C5F7463D3624B57BB72BE96F01192805/S1092852916000559a.pdf/mixed_features_and_mixed_states_in_psychiatry_from_calculus_to_geometry.pdf. This article is a good summary of the history and changes to the classifications and definitions of unipolar and bipolar phenomena through the ages. It also describes how these changes have affected the treatment of people with mood disorders. Varshav78 ( talk) 20:39, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I have four non-physical disabilities, NLD, OCD, anxiety disorder not otherwise specified and dyspraxia. Two of three of these are mental disorders or mental disabilities or sure and all are in the DSM in some form I believe. I also have a PhD in Political Science and am an aspiring academic. To openly have four disability diagnoses of this sort and be an academic in the US at least is not typical. It is not easy dealing with disability discrimination and stigma as it is. But the recent trend where able people, or at least people without psychiatric disorders pushing the label of mental illness of people like me is deeply upsetting, creating of stigma, and hypocritical. Disabled people have a weaker lobby than transgender or gender non-binary people, so while in New York City it is illegal, but not criminal I think, to call wanting to self-mutilate or dismember yourself due to being transgender mental illness, I probably would not be able to sue for people calling me mentally ill when I am not. Most mentally disabled or disordered people like to just be called disabled or non-physically disabled. Most of us are not mentally ill in any clinical way. Mental illness does exist and conflating us with real mentally ill people hurts both groups. Mental illness is a functional problem. It can be psychosis, the systemic inability to test for reality. It also can be simply a functional breakdown. However, being functional, taking low-level medication and going to therapy does not make you mentally ill or your disorder a mental illness. Calling everyone like me mentally ill stigmatizes mental disorders unnecessarily and can actually create more mental illness as if a normal mental disorder like garden-variety depression or anxiety is not treated, it can turn into genuine mental illness. I take two medications, one to prevent physical illness and one to prevent mental illness, but I actually have neither the physical illness or the mental illness yet. Also, by stigmatizing mental disorders as mental illness, we do make it harder to prioritize people with genuine mental illness. There is a real distinction between them and this article keeps conflating them. There should be two distinct articles, one for mental disorders/disabilities and one for mental illness/illnesses. Also, mental disorders are often called psychiatric disabilities, non-physical disabilities, mental disabilities, cognitive and/or behavioral disabilities or sometimes, just plain disabilities. Thank you, Sincerely, Dr. Christopher Binetti, PhD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbinetti ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I would like to suggest adding a section on non-profit/non-affiliated resources for people who are in need of help (for specific illnesses, or for crisis-intervention in general). A lot of people are probably going to be reading these articles, looking for information about particular problems, and having a resource that connects them to professional services, quickly and easily, may help prevent certain problems, and also work as a step towards intervention. For example, articles have a "see also" section for information associated with a topic article, a new section/template could be called "Resources for help" and might connect with crisis-lines, or particular illness-related treatments, etc. Mr Robot 2020 ( talk) 18:58, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Opposers argue that "mental disorder", while less common, more precisely describes the article scope. ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 00:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Mental disorder → Mental illness – This Ngram indicates that the term mental illness is the more widely used term when referring to mental health conditions. On Wikipedia, we should use the term most commonly used in reliable sources. I think both are used in RS, hence no WP:COMMONNAME. I think this term is more widespread. Interstellarity ( talk) 22:29, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
...is that you can be mentally unstable/unwell and nobody else will understand it, treating you as a normal person instead, since that cannot be observed from the outside. Especially when your struggles aren’t diagnosable (e.g., ADHD). -- Hey mid ( contribs) 18:36, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm proposing a merge of Mental illness denial into this article, Mental disorder. I will refer to these respectively as the denial article and this article. Firstly, a summary of the denial article's history:
this is essentially a POVFORK, already covered at the redirect article. This term has much less traction than other "denial": Climate change denial, Holocaust denial etc.
Undid the changes of Buidhe, there is no single mention of denialism in the article Anti-psychiatry
From the current content of the denial article, I believe it is trying to cover two loosely related topics.
Whether or not connecting those two topics in one article is WP:OR is another consideration. Personally, I am uncertain - we would need examples of reliable sources that connect these two concepts under the term mental illness denial.
Regardless of whether the link between the two can be supported, I still think these topics are better discussed in the context of this article ( WP:MERGEREASON, WP:PAGEDECIDE), and they already are (to some extent). Please see Mental disorder#Criticism and Mental disorder#Movements for the first topic I described, and Mental disorder#Stigma for the second.
I'm going to be honest, this will barely be a merge - the only point that isn't already here is about stigma in India.
I am not particularly certain about where, within the article, the redirect of the denial article should point to. I'm leaning towards the Stigma section, because I suspect that is what most people would be looking for through the denial article's name. This could include a hatnote about the redirect which suggests anti-psychiatry as an alternative.
The alternatives for merging, as I see it, are to:
-- Xurizuri ( talk) 01:32, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
I think it should be merged. The topic does not warrant its own article
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to clarify I mean merge with anti-psychiatry RJJ4y7 ( talk) 17:48, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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cbinetti- I need help editing my edit. I got rid of the equation of mental disorders with mental illness. But I am having trouble with the Itlaics and boldface. So please do not revert this, but make the format the way it is supposed to be. Cbinetti ( talk) 21:28, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
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Hi editors, I have modified a paragraph to improve the accuracy of representing the academic sources, like this:
In the history of psychiatry, religious experience was considered as delusional, but it is a challenge for modern psychiatry to differentiate nonpsychopathological religious/ spiritual/ transpersonal experiences from those that are caused by disorders.
If there is any problem, discuss here or it will be implemented there. Lightest ( talk) 19:17, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
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Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 |
The first sentence says: "A mental disorder (also called a mental illness, psychiatric disorder, or psychological disorder)". I am not sure if it is appropriate to list "mental disorder" and "mental illness" as synonyms, as there are several conditions which are called "mental disorder" but almost never "mental illness", such as aspergers/autism and stuttering. While all mental illnesses are regarded as mental disorders, I do not think it is appropriate to list the two as interchangeable, and I think that listing the two terms as synonyms is a little problematic in that regard. Should a distinction between "mental disorder" and "mental illness" be made in this article? Sega31098 ( talk) 02:18, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
A Definitions and terminology section seems like the right way to go, to me. As to what would belong there, well, a distilled and sourced version of what we have been talking about here.
I think the example of 'Aspergers' noted above is somewhat of a canard, as far as what terms people employ regarding it. Sometimes colloquial expressions arise out of sympathy, or are avoided out of sympathy, and that may or may not be a good thing societally (intentionally avoiding the PC issue here) but using or avoiding a particular term more than another doesn't affect what the academic definition of the terms actually are, only their frequency of usage among the public, and the sense of public acceptance or opprobrium in the shifting sands of language evolution.
We should report the academic usage, which should be relatively easy to source, and we could report the public usage, including the examples posited above of public avoidance of certain terms with respect to Aspergers and the like, if that can be sourced adequately. My 2¢. Mathglot ( talk) 20:03, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Schizophrenia results in psychosis and therefore fits well under that heading aswell. We do not need a one sentence section. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:51, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Agreed; the overlap between psychosis (symptom) and schizophrenia, bipolar etc (illnesses) hobbles us here. I'm happy with what you've done for now ; it think it works fine. Maybe at some point we'll need to revisit, e.g. to list only illnesses, and then include psychosis prevention evidence in both 'schizo' and 'bipolar' paras. JCJC777 —Preceding undated comment added 08:02, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Having a mental disorder is a risk factor for depression caused by prejudice (i.e. "deprejudice”). When someone is prejudiced against people who have mental disorders and then is diagnosed with a mental disorder themself, their prejudice against people with mental disorders turns inward, causing depression. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.33.77.132 ( talk) 17:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
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[Apologies in advance for any formatting issues, but I'd like to add to the stigma section.]
In the field of mental health stigma research there are three commonly acknowledged components of stigma: stereotype, prejudice, and discrimination1,2.
There are two dimensions of stigma. Public (or social) stigma is the awareness of stereotypes that the public and society holds about people who are living with mental illnesses1. Public stigma also involves prejudice, or ascribing to stereotypes with negative emotional reactions like fear. The discrimination component of public stigma can include social avoidance, denial of employment, etc. Self-stigma refers to the internalization of these stereotypes and applying and agreeing with the stereotypes and prejudices put forth by society1,2,3.
1. Corrigan PW, Watson AC: The paradox of self-stigma and mental illness. Clinical Psychology: Science and Practice 9:35–53, 2002
2. Corrigan PW, Watson AC. Understanding the Impact of Stigma on People with Mental Illness. World Psychiatry. 2002; 1 (1): 16-20.
3. Corrigan PW. Target Specific Stigma Change: A Strategy for Impacting Mental Illness Stigma. Psychiatric Rehabilitation Journal. 2004; 28 (2): 113-120.
I don't know where the 5 sources under here came from or how to make them go away! Sorry I added to the bottom of the page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PsycTerp ( talk • contribs) 18:46, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
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Please change:
'Various behavioral addictions, such as gambling addiction, may be classed as a disorder. Obsessive-compulsive disorder can sometimes involve an inability to resist certain acts but is classed separately as being primarily an anxiety disorder.'
to
'Various behavioral addictions, such as gambling addiction, may be classed as a disorder. These disorders are often linked with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder; which is an impulse control disorder and which is common in addicts who have subconsciously learned the behavior as a means of self-medicating [1]. Obsessive-compulsive disorder can sometimes involve an inability to resist certain acts but is classed separately as being primarily an anxiety disorder.'
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'A range of developmental disorders that initially occur in childhood may be diagnosed, for example autism spectrum disorders, oppositional defiant disorder and conduct disorder, and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), which may continue into adulthood.'
to
' Developmental disorders initially occur in childhood and include language disorders, learning disorders and motor disorders (such as dyspraxia). Not all mental disorders that tend to present first in childhood come under the definition of developmental disorders. These include autism spectrum disorders, oppositional defiant disorder and conduct disorder, and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), which frequently continue into adulthood.'
because the original list is incorrect, and because only 40% of people with ADHD in childhood cease having it once they reach adulthood, and ASD is not expected to cease during adulthood.
Thank you!
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Is there a section for Mild Schizophrenia, thanks. Severe schizofrenia is not LD. I have Learning disabilities. It is when you have problems controling the environment you are in. It is very noticable. However, I have been indirect contact with two cases of mild schizofrenia. Both are in total control of their environment. However, they are 1.) at times irrational 2.) will hallucinate or see things not there 3.) at times violent or very easily provoked. Severe schizofrenia is when they are highly irrational or not able to control functions. Whether its to please you or simply get you out of the way, people with mild schizofrenia will act unrationally for attention. They will also lack in sensing the emotional areas of the brain such as sensing sorrow, or love for a dead one. Naturally, they will be behind educationally as well. Mild schizofrenia is when they are at most times rational but not able to control action or reaction ie emotional disabilities is meant for mild schizofrenia, and asylums are usually meant for severe cases of schizofrenia. ADHD is not classified as schizofrenia, it should be reclassified under Learning disabilities or a mild case of learning disabilities (actually it may infact mean too many nerve endings to the brain, and be a positive sign of hyperactivity). Because I know at least 1 case with ADHD and that particular person seemed totally normal. Learning disabilities and emotional disabilities are very far apart. Emotional disabilities equates to Mild schizofrenia or a certain loss of brain function whilst learning disabilities equates to loss of neural function where brain activity is not defective, only neuralogical activity is ie reaction time via electronic signals going to the brain such as sense of touch, or feeling. People with LD sense things, but its usually delayed due to loss of receptors rather than skull size eg neuralogical activity or lack of nerve endings going to the brain.!-- Template:Unsigned IP -->— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.30.97 ( talk) 21:02, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
The current picture is 1857 and relates to asylums, a now-outmoded form of treatment/containment. How about an image like http://cdn-04.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/article34513606.ece/546f3/AUTOCROP/w620/PANews%20BT_P-4c1c7b2c-ce24-4af9-922a-c60b024c89eb_I1.jpg? JCJC777 6 Dec 2016
Thanks - good points. Could I suggest we use one of the pictures being used here; /info/en/?search=Major_depressive_disorder? I am concerned the current picture immediately disinterests possible readers, as it looks so unlike their current interest. Thanks JCJC777 ( talk)
Moved from here:
Hi Jytdog, can you please comment a bit more on your revert of my additions? Where did I violate WP:ELNEVER? My edits had nothing to do with external links. What do you mean by "Content added only to the lead and not to the body" and "this content is not about diagnosis per se"?
I was somewhat confused that you reverted my work on really important topics (like quality of life and "symptoms vs impairment"-stuff) because there is much text in the mental disorder article anyway that is either irrelevant or poorly sourced.
If you think that my edits don't belong there, please suggest to me other articles where it might fit. Thanks very much for your clarifications.-- Trantüte ( talk) 20:14, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Pls weigh in: Talk:Life_expectancy#Life_expectancy_of_the_mentally_ill. fgnievinski ( talk) 02:54, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Compared to placebos, SSRIs are not very effective in treating mild or moderate depression.
They are somewhat effective in treating severe depression.
The increased relative effectiveness against severe depression was not because the medication is more effective, but because placebos are less effective in such cases. [1]
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Benjamin ( talk) 21:21, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Jytdog The definition section of our article, needs to be completely updated to reflect current terminology of mental disorders. DSM-5 definition of mental disorder is significantly different that DSM-IV. Commentary on DSM-IV once it is updated is obviously, irrelevant. Any objections Jytdog, or others, before I proceed? Charlotte135 ( talk) 01:22, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
The majority of research is still based on the DSM4. Some, including the NIMH, have be hesitant to adopt some aspects of the DSM5. I do not think everything from the DSM4 needs removing. But the DSM5 should definitely be reflected and given prominence. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 15:22, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
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talk) 06:49, 14 May 2017 (UTC)Mathglot, I do realize how to link usernames, but I didn't wish to bother Jytdog over such a minor point. In fact, I have linked your username a couple of times in our earlier discussions, at 11:07, 7 May 2017 (UTC) for instance, don't you remember? Anyway, given a good consensus was reached, which is all I ever try to achieve, and my much needed edit was added to the article, I decided there was no rush, and I knew Jytdog was watching the page. Alerting him to my comment seemed unnecessary. As far as adding my source to the edit, it was only a matter of minutes before Jytdog jumped on it and reverted, that was all. Good luck with your own editing of our articles. All the best. Charlotte135 ( talk) 05:06, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BCVhuiXgHM
New Study Shows Mental Health Diagnoses and Treatment Vary Significantly by Race and Ethnicity
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As to my 4 December 2017 edit, subsequent reversion by another editor, and that editor's followup concessions, I here discuss the issue of what a mental disorder is.
- prior version said, "...is a behavioral or mental pattern that may cause suffering or a poor ability to function in life".
- my version said, "..is a mental or behavioral pattern that causes oneself especial distress, dysfunctional lifestyle, or both" [ diff].
- extant version says, "..is a behavioral or mental pattern that may cause significant distress or poor ability to function" [ diff].
One, there is the issue of overlinking, as the wikilinking of commonly understood words can distract a reader. Otherwise, there were key problems with the prior wording saying that it "may cause suffering or a poor ability to function in life". A mental disorder does not merely "may cause"; it is a definition of what it must cause. Although wording is fraught with ambiguity, it still is a concept of certain essential criteria.
Experts commonly capture the gist by saying that a mental disorder is a pattern that causes "distress or dysfunction" [Cromby J, Harper D & Reavey P, Psychology, Mental Health and Distress (New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2013), p 13]. And it must be caused to oneself—not merely distress to others. If it generally distresses others, though, then it likely is already one's own dysfunction. Anyway, since my change of "suffering"—a word too vague, encompassing consequences of poverty and abuse—to "distress" was accepted, that issue is moot.
Leaving aside distress as a possibly sole consequence, a mental disorder is not merely "poor functioning", which can easily be read grandly as "general incapacity" or merely as "underachieving". Although a mental disorder involves some especial dysfunction—not explained by culture or subculture—the person may be overachieving, extremely successful, or function extremely well overall. Yet the disorder, nonetheless, causes poor functioning in some area of the lifestyle. So the person may function very well overall, especially via compensations, but the lifestyle shows dysfunction in one area, perhaps food or sex, for instance. — Occurring ( talk) 20:46, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Moments ago, thinking myself to heed all concerns stated above in this talkpage section, I revised the lead's sentence to say, "... is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant personal distress or impairment of an important area of personal function" [ diff]. Meanwhile, I cited a single page that confirmed by prior belief [Bolton D, What is Mental Disorder? (OUP, 2008), p 6]. Yet afterward, I read the previous page, too, which contradicts my prior belief: it says that "not all" mental disorders require "distress or impairment".
Although not a relevant professional or scholar, I am quite avid for the history and philosophy of science as well as for the history and sociology of medicine, and have, in earlier years, seen multiple academic psychiatric sources stress the criterion of distress or dysfunction as requisite to legitimize a mental disorder's distinction from a mere abnormality. Yet to respect and cohere with the source that I cited in the lead, perhaps the word usually or other qualifier, ironically reminiscent of, if still differing from, may cause, ought to be added the lead's sentence. — Occurring ( talk) 02:22, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
What is the actual justification or necessity for using, right at the top, artwork based on 19th century diagnostic categories, including supposed 'idiocy', and 19th century forms of psychiatric detention such as strait jackets? Would it not be more appropriate in the history section along with a caveat?
Where is the source for which person supposedly represents which 19th century diagnosis? Why is a 21st century article headed by a 19th century diagnostic picture?
Oshwah in immediately reverting the removal (fair enough) you suggest you don't understand why it's sexist to illustrate mental disorder with eight women. Actually it's described as eight women but where is the source for that? And source for which behavior supposedly represents which disorder? This suggests it's not clear to the public https://www.quora.com/What-characters-in-this-picture-represent-each-condition
I note that also the first sentence in referencing 'poor' functioning in life, wikilinks to 'deviancy' which is also a somewhat dated term I think?? But ironically could be seen as better than 'poor' if incorporates the possibility of a divergence that creates problems in functioning in society (social model of disability as adopted by the World Health Organization, whereas this article assumes from the get-go a simple medical model of disability) Neurohz ( talk) 11:58, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Forgot to add these sources on it feeding into a known sexism in this field, that works against both women and men in different ways: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/how-sexist-stereotypes-mean-doctors-ignore-womens-pain-a7157931.html - https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/men-and-the-stigma-of-mental-illness-dg/ Neurohz ( talk) 12:00, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Tryptofish, you're fiddling with the image description to 'make it clearer that the image does not reflect modern medicine' and 'to better convey the historical nature of the image'. Could you clarify why you apparently want to keep this image at the top of this article on mental disorder?
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Mental disorder/Archive 4 | |
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Other names | Psychiatric disorder, psychological disorder, mental illness, mental disease |
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders categorizes these disorders. | |
Specialty | Psychiatry |
Symptoms | Agitation, anxiety, depression, mania, paranoia, psychosis |
Complications | Cognitive impairment, social problems, suicide |
Types | Anxiety disorders, eating disorders, mood disorders, neurodevelopmental disorders, personality disorders, psychotic disorders, substance use disorders |
Causes | Genetic and environmental factors |
Treatment | Psychotherapy, medications |
Medication | Antidepressants, antipsychotics, anxiolytics, mood stabilizers |
Frequency | 18% per year (United States) [1] |
How about this? -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:18, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Lead images should be natural and appropriate representations of the topic; they should not only illustrate the topic specifically, but also be the type of image used for similar purposes in high-quality reference works, and therefore what our readers will expect to see. Lead images are not required, and not having a lead image may be the best solution if there is no easy representation of the topic.A picture of a book is clearly not a natural representation of the topic and it may be better to have no image. I don't have a problem with the previous image and seems strange to change the image when from what I saw the consensus (or atleast majority) is fine or supportive for the previous image Galobtter ( pingó mió) 22:57, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Here are two others. I assume that those who oppose the current one will find many of the others objectionable as well. Mental illness is potentially very serious. And the history of the treatment of mental illness is not something we should be trying to hide, even though it is often disturbing Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 18:54, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
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A mental disorder is a condition stemming from a psychological inconsistency not adherent to social norms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jahansen.28.28 ( talk • contribs) 22:59, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
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In the first sentence of the third paragraph, Services are based in psychiatric hospitals or in the community, and assessments are carried out by psychiatrists, psychologists, and clinical social workers, using various methods such as psychometric tests but often relying on observation and questioning. Can you please change it to Services are based in psychiatric hospitals or in the community, and assessments are carried out by mental health professionals such as psychiatrists, psychologists, and clinical social workers, using various methods such as psychometric tests but often relying on observation and questioning.? The reason why is because there are other professionals that give assessments such as nurse practitioners, counselors, and primary care physicians. 2601:183:101:58D0:B51D:E6ED:F403:3C32 ( talk) 12:22, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Currently, the article states
Although researchers have been looking for decades for clear linkages between genetics and mental disorders to provide better diagnosis and facilitate the development of better treatments, that work has yielded almost nothing
yet in every article on wikipedia that I've read regarding specific mental disorders, such as Oppositional Defiant Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder, they all say that those disorders are largely heritable. ADHD actually has a number of genes linked to it. The human mind and mental disorders are much more complex than, say, eye color (which is also more complex than most people think), but that does not mean there isn't a genetic link. So, can we update this section, perhaps lifting the sources from the other mental disorder wiki pages? 67.253.115.246 ( talk) 06:23, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
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" Environmental factors" is used in the infobox, but that redirects to Biophysical environment. " environmental factors" would be better, per MOS:SPECIFICLINK. 92.249.211.146 ( talk) 09:22, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
A user is repeatedly removing the redirect to this page from Nervous breakdown here. Nervous breakdown is defined in this article and I believe consensus will be required for the creation of this new article. I invite the user T g7 to discuss here before reverting the redirect again. Polyamorph ( talk) 20:26, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your attention. "Nervous breakdown" is not a medical term whereas "Mental disorder" is. "Nervous breakdown" is a folk concept which is not recognized by any medical authority and which has its own distinct etymology and history. Hence it should not be conflated with "mental disorder." T g7 ( talk) 12:11, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
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Immediately before the second appearance of "Thomas Szasz" is an unneeded / character. Could you remove it? 208.95.51.53 ( talk) 15:51, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
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Mental disorder should not equated with mental illness. They are not synonymous and this creates more stigma. A person with a mental disorder is disabled but necessarily mentally ill. Mental illness means that the person is at very high risk of harming oneself or others. Mentally disabled people with a metal disorder are usually not mentally ill in this way. This differentiation is essential for people to get help. Cbinetti ( talk) 06:18, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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Mental disorders are not all forms of mental illness. This article equates the two. This is inaccurate. Cbinetti ( talk) 17:26, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Whether it is or not, Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DarthFlappy ( talk) 18:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
I would propose that the unreliable source tag be removed from Reference #94. The individual is clearly a clinical and research psychologist, is a fellow in the Women in Public Policy Program at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. There is nothing to suggest that either the author or that Harvard is an "unreliable source", thus it appears that the tag has been abused for ideological or political reasons for which the tag is not designed. If the tag was placed to essentially show that the view is not a majority or minority view, then that objective is met based on the subsection title "criticism". 98.178.179.240 ( talk) 02:39, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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Under the heading Drug Use: Peer pressure is the main reason why start using substances. -----> Peer pressure is the main reason why adolescents start using substances. 2604:3D09:A281:700:91B2:6207:D3F2:964B ( talk) 18:56, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
I have noticed that this article primarily focuses on mental disorders in the Western world. I think it would be beneficial to provide some information on mental disorders in other cultures as well. To make the page's treatment of the subject more thorough, I would like to include some information from the following sources in order to provide a more thorough presentation of the subject matter:
Ikuwaka, Ugo; Gallbraith, Niall; Manktelow, Ken; Chen-Wilson, Josephine; Oyebode, Femi; Mumoh, Rosemary (2016). "Attitude Towards Mental Illness in Southeastern Nigeria: The Contradictions of a Communitarian Culture". Journal of Community Psychology. 44: 182–198.
Forthal, Sarah; Fekadu, Abebaw; Medhin, Girmay; Selamu, Medhin; Thornicroft, Graham; Hanlon, Charlotte (2019). "Rural vs urban residence and experience of discrimination among people with severe mental illness in Ethiopia". BMC Psychiatry.
Njenga, Frank G.; Nguithi, Anna N.; Kang'ethe, Rachel N. (2006). "War and mental disorders in Africa". World Psychiatry. 5: 38–39.ly, l
Is this acceptable? Rumbleisred ( talk) 03:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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I have an alternative non-primary source for Reference #39 that comes after the text "The extent to which unipolar and bipolar mood phenomena represent distinct categories of disorder, or mix and merge along a dimension or spectrum of mood, is subject to some scientific debate." The new non-primary source I suggest as a replacement is https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/C5F7463D3624B57BB72BE96F01192805/S1092852916000559a.pdf/mixed_features_and_mixed_states_in_psychiatry_from_calculus_to_geometry.pdf. This article is a good summary of the history and changes to the classifications and definitions of unipolar and bipolar phenomena through the ages. It also describes how these changes have affected the treatment of people with mood disorders. Varshav78 ( talk) 20:39, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I have four non-physical disabilities, NLD, OCD, anxiety disorder not otherwise specified and dyspraxia. Two of three of these are mental disorders or mental disabilities or sure and all are in the DSM in some form I believe. I also have a PhD in Political Science and am an aspiring academic. To openly have four disability diagnoses of this sort and be an academic in the US at least is not typical. It is not easy dealing with disability discrimination and stigma as it is. But the recent trend where able people, or at least people without psychiatric disorders pushing the label of mental illness of people like me is deeply upsetting, creating of stigma, and hypocritical. Disabled people have a weaker lobby than transgender or gender non-binary people, so while in New York City it is illegal, but not criminal I think, to call wanting to self-mutilate or dismember yourself due to being transgender mental illness, I probably would not be able to sue for people calling me mentally ill when I am not. Most mentally disabled or disordered people like to just be called disabled or non-physically disabled. Most of us are not mentally ill in any clinical way. Mental illness does exist and conflating us with real mentally ill people hurts both groups. Mental illness is a functional problem. It can be psychosis, the systemic inability to test for reality. It also can be simply a functional breakdown. However, being functional, taking low-level medication and going to therapy does not make you mentally ill or your disorder a mental illness. Calling everyone like me mentally ill stigmatizes mental disorders unnecessarily and can actually create more mental illness as if a normal mental disorder like garden-variety depression or anxiety is not treated, it can turn into genuine mental illness. I take two medications, one to prevent physical illness and one to prevent mental illness, but I actually have neither the physical illness or the mental illness yet. Also, by stigmatizing mental disorders as mental illness, we do make it harder to prioritize people with genuine mental illness. There is a real distinction between them and this article keeps conflating them. There should be two distinct articles, one for mental disorders/disabilities and one for mental illness/illnesses. Also, mental disorders are often called psychiatric disabilities, non-physical disabilities, mental disabilities, cognitive and/or behavioral disabilities or sometimes, just plain disabilities. Thank you, Sincerely, Dr. Christopher Binetti, PhD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbinetti ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I would like to suggest adding a section on non-profit/non-affiliated resources for people who are in need of help (for specific illnesses, or for crisis-intervention in general). A lot of people are probably going to be reading these articles, looking for information about particular problems, and having a resource that connects them to professional services, quickly and easily, may help prevent certain problems, and also work as a step towards intervention. For example, articles have a "see also" section for information associated with a topic article, a new section/template could be called "Resources for help" and might connect with crisis-lines, or particular illness-related treatments, etc. Mr Robot 2020 ( talk) 18:58, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Opposers argue that "mental disorder", while less common, more precisely describes the article scope. ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 00:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Mental disorder → Mental illness – This Ngram indicates that the term mental illness is the more widely used term when referring to mental health conditions. On Wikipedia, we should use the term most commonly used in reliable sources. I think both are used in RS, hence no WP:COMMONNAME. I think this term is more widespread. Interstellarity ( talk) 22:29, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
...is that you can be mentally unstable/unwell and nobody else will understand it, treating you as a normal person instead, since that cannot be observed from the outside. Especially when your struggles aren’t diagnosable (e.g., ADHD). -- Hey mid ( contribs) 18:36, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm proposing a merge of Mental illness denial into this article, Mental disorder. I will refer to these respectively as the denial article and this article. Firstly, a summary of the denial article's history:
this is essentially a POVFORK, already covered at the redirect article. This term has much less traction than other "denial": Climate change denial, Holocaust denial etc.
Undid the changes of Buidhe, there is no single mention of denialism in the article Anti-psychiatry
From the current content of the denial article, I believe it is trying to cover two loosely related topics.
Whether or not connecting those two topics in one article is WP:OR is another consideration. Personally, I am uncertain - we would need examples of reliable sources that connect these two concepts under the term mental illness denial.
Regardless of whether the link between the two can be supported, I still think these topics are better discussed in the context of this article ( WP:MERGEREASON, WP:PAGEDECIDE), and they already are (to some extent). Please see Mental disorder#Criticism and Mental disorder#Movements for the first topic I described, and Mental disorder#Stigma for the second.
I'm going to be honest, this will barely be a merge - the only point that isn't already here is about stigma in India.
I am not particularly certain about where, within the article, the redirect of the denial article should point to. I'm leaning towards the Stigma section, because I suspect that is what most people would be looking for through the denial article's name. This could include a hatnote about the redirect which suggests anti-psychiatry as an alternative.
The alternatives for merging, as I see it, are to:
-- Xurizuri ( talk) 01:32, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
I think it should be merged. The topic does not warrant its own article
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talk) 17:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
to clarify I mean merge with anti-psychiatry RJJ4y7 ( talk) 17:48, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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cbinetti- I need help editing my edit. I got rid of the equation of mental disorders with mental illness. But I am having trouble with the Itlaics and boldface. So please do not revert this, but make the format the way it is supposed to be. Cbinetti ( talk) 21:28, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi! I just added some new information in the sleep disorder section. If there is any changes that need to be made to that, please do so! Mariept ( talk) 00:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
I have added additional information in the stigma section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Butterflyy25 ( talk • contribs) 17:32, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Added new information and citation in the media and general public section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Butterflyy25 ( talk • contribs) 18:03, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Added new information and citation in the media and general public section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Butterflyy25 ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
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is a certain code needed to move number indicator into proper position? Scranton ( talk) 17:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi editors, I have modified a paragraph to improve the accuracy of representing the academic sources, like this:
In the history of psychiatry, religious experience was considered as delusional, but it is a challenge for modern psychiatry to differentiate nonpsychopathological religious/ spiritual/ transpersonal experiences from those that are caused by disorders.
If there is any problem, discuss here or it will be implemented there. Lightest ( talk) 19:17, 16 July 2022 (UTC)