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Women are constantly referred to in this and related articles; menstruation typically starts in early teenage years in girls. ? Iztwoz ( talk) 11:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
In the menstrual health section, it is written:
"There are common culturally communicated misbeliefs that the menstrual cycle affects women's moods, causes depression or irritability, or that menstruation is a painful, shameful or unclean experience. Often a woman's normal mood variation is falsely attributed to the menstrual cycle. Much of the research is weak, but there appears to be a very small increase in mood fluctuations during the luteal and menstrual phases, and a corresponding decrease during the rest of the cycle.[74]"
This paragraph is scientifically incorrect. Read this review articles PMID 35267252, this and this. This issue was raised during FAC in Persian Wikipedia. Pereoptic Talk✉️ 15:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
An examination of the studies that were included of women with pre-existing psychiatric diagnoses lends to a lack of confidence in the strength of the findings, which reinforces concern about the issues mentioned in the Limitations section and reiterated in the Conclusions and future directions section (limited data, varied definitions and assessment of menstrual cycle phases, lack of standardized assessment of symptoms, sampling biases, and "retrospective and self-reported assessments of the menstrual cycle are less accurate, which may obfuscate potential findings"). "Self-report" occurs 158 times (some duplicates) in the Table of 178 accepted studies, which makes me wonder if Graham might comment on the selection criteria, and whether this review should be used at all.
Should there be consensus to use the review, would something like this work? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 13:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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There are common culturally communicated misbeliefs that the menstrual cycle affects women's moods, causes depression or irritability, or that menstruation is a painful, shameful or unclean experience. Often a woman's normal mood variation is falsely attributed to the menstrual cycle. Much of the research is weak, but there appears to be a very small increase in mood fluctuations during the luteal and menstrual phases, and a corresponding decrease during the rest of the cycle. [1] | There are common culturally communicated misbeliefs that the menstrual cycle affects women's moods, causes depression or irritability, or that menstruation is a painful, shameful or unclean experience. Often a woman's normal mood variation is falsely attributed to the menstrual cycle. Much of the research is weak, but there appears to be a very small increase in mood fluctuations during the luteal and menstrual phases, and a corresponding decrease during the rest of the cycle. [1] Limited data indicate that the role of hormones in psychiatric symptom exacerbations in those women with pre-existing psychiatric diagnoses warrants further research to develop standardized assessment measures. [2] |
This is from he Lead:
The menstrual cycle can cause some women to experience premenstrual syndrome with symptoms that may include tender breasts, and tiredness. More severe symptoms that affect daily living are classed as premenstrual dysphoric disorder, and are experienced by 3–8% of women. During the first few days of menstruation some women experience period pain that can spread from the abdomen to the back and upper thighs. The menstrual cycle can be modified by hormonal birth control.
I think it's sufficient. Graham Beards ( talk) 16:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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Changes to the brain have also been observed throughout the menstrual cycle [76] but do not translate into measurable changes in intellectual achievement – including academic performance, problem-solving, memory, and creativity.[77]
I don't think that this is a good summary of what [ 77] says.
Firstly, the review doesn't mention creativity even once. The studies cited focus mostly on verbal and spatial reasoning, memory, etc. I would not call this academic performance.
Secondly, from the Conclusion section in the paper:
"Studies examining the menstrual cycle in healthy women have been unable to show consistent associations between cognition and menstrual cycle phase."
"Regarding premenstrual disorders such as PMS and PMDD, although methodologically-sound studies are limited, current evidence suggests that there may be cognitive deficits in some aspects of executive functioning in those who are most symptomatic (women with PMDD)."
I think the following is a better summary of [77]:
"While studies have not consistently shown an association between cycle phases and performance in cognitive tasks related to memory or problem solving, current evidence suggests that women with PMDD might be affected in terms of executive functioning."
Note: I'm new to editing, feedback how to do things well appreciated! CyberMagpie ( talk) 12:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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Women are constantly referred to in this and related articles; menstruation typically starts in early teenage years in girls. ? Iztwoz ( talk) 11:57, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
In the menstrual health section, it is written:
"There are common culturally communicated misbeliefs that the menstrual cycle affects women's moods, causes depression or irritability, or that menstruation is a painful, shameful or unclean experience. Often a woman's normal mood variation is falsely attributed to the menstrual cycle. Much of the research is weak, but there appears to be a very small increase in mood fluctuations during the luteal and menstrual phases, and a corresponding decrease during the rest of the cycle.[74]"
This paragraph is scientifically incorrect. Read this review articles PMID 35267252, this and this. This issue was raised during FAC in Persian Wikipedia. Pereoptic Talk✉️ 15:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
An examination of the studies that were included of women with pre-existing psychiatric diagnoses lends to a lack of confidence in the strength of the findings, which reinforces concern about the issues mentioned in the Limitations section and reiterated in the Conclusions and future directions section (limited data, varied definitions and assessment of menstrual cycle phases, lack of standardized assessment of symptoms, sampling biases, and "retrospective and self-reported assessments of the menstrual cycle are less accurate, which may obfuscate potential findings"). "Self-report" occurs 158 times (some duplicates) in the Table of 178 accepted studies, which makes me wonder if Graham might comment on the selection criteria, and whether this review should be used at all.
Should there be consensus to use the review, would something like this work? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 13:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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There are common culturally communicated misbeliefs that the menstrual cycle affects women's moods, causes depression or irritability, or that menstruation is a painful, shameful or unclean experience. Often a woman's normal mood variation is falsely attributed to the menstrual cycle. Much of the research is weak, but there appears to be a very small increase in mood fluctuations during the luteal and menstrual phases, and a corresponding decrease during the rest of the cycle. [1] | There are common culturally communicated misbeliefs that the menstrual cycle affects women's moods, causes depression or irritability, or that menstruation is a painful, shameful or unclean experience. Often a woman's normal mood variation is falsely attributed to the menstrual cycle. Much of the research is weak, but there appears to be a very small increase in mood fluctuations during the luteal and menstrual phases, and a corresponding decrease during the rest of the cycle. [1] Limited data indicate that the role of hormones in psychiatric symptom exacerbations in those women with pre-existing psychiatric diagnoses warrants further research to develop standardized assessment measures. [2] |
This is from he Lead:
The menstrual cycle can cause some women to experience premenstrual syndrome with symptoms that may include tender breasts, and tiredness. More severe symptoms that affect daily living are classed as premenstrual dysphoric disorder, and are experienced by 3–8% of women. During the first few days of menstruation some women experience period pain that can spread from the abdomen to the back and upper thighs. The menstrual cycle can be modified by hormonal birth control.
I think it's sufficient. Graham Beards ( talk) 16:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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Changes to the brain have also been observed throughout the menstrual cycle [76] but do not translate into measurable changes in intellectual achievement – including academic performance, problem-solving, memory, and creativity.[77]
I don't think that this is a good summary of what [ 77] says.
Firstly, the review doesn't mention creativity even once. The studies cited focus mostly on verbal and spatial reasoning, memory, etc. I would not call this academic performance.
Secondly, from the Conclusion section in the paper:
"Studies examining the menstrual cycle in healthy women have been unable to show consistent associations between cognition and menstrual cycle phase."
"Regarding premenstrual disorders such as PMS and PMDD, although methodologically-sound studies are limited, current evidence suggests that there may be cognitive deficits in some aspects of executive functioning in those who are most symptomatic (women with PMDD)."
I think the following is a better summary of [77]:
"While studies have not consistently shown an association between cycle phases and performance in cognitive tasks related to memory or problem solving, current evidence suggests that women with PMDD might be affected in terms of executive functioning."
Note: I'm new to editing, feedback how to do things well appreciated! CyberMagpie ( talk) 12:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)