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I don't know what should be wrong with this article. The members of the Memphis Mafia themselves confirm most details on their own website: [1] Onefortyone 01:03, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
I've cleaned it up. Avoid inserting needless inuendo and it should be ok. Cited references are welcome, but may be chracterized as to provenance and source. Wyss 16:03, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I do not understand why this important link was deleted:
To: User:Onefortyone:
Some reviews of Alanna Nash's book, Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations from the Memphis Mafia:
I've protected this article, as there's lots of reverting going on but no discussion. Try discussing your changes and if you can't convince each other, take it to RfC. Once you've agreed, let me know or post a request for unprotection. -- fvw * 23:42, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
RfC may be the only way. Wyss 23:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
No discussion for yonks. Unprotecting. -- Tony Sidaway Talk 19:40, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
The whole thing's in arbitration now, I think the page should remain protected. Wyss 20:04, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
If there is a serious problem, you can petition the arbitration committee for an injunction against the involved parties. No need to protect the page. -- Tony Sidaway Talk 20:06, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Nobody requested unprotection and I think there's a need for continued protection. As I said, it's all in arbitration now anyway. Wyss 20:13, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I warn all involved in this case that it is probably not in your interests to make edits to this article that may be interpreted as hostile or defiant acts. -- Tony Sidaway Talk 21:17, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I do not understand why User:Ted Wilkes has now deleted a perfectly well hyperlink to a website by the Memphis Mafia members from the article. See [2]. The same user also removed a passage which stated that Elvis Presley "reportedly supplied the Memphis Mafia members with alcohol, illicit drugs, and prostitutes". See [3]. Onefortyone 20:25, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
I did some further research on Elvis and the men from the Memphis Mafia.
I hope that these sources indeed prove that there were several "yes men" among these guys, that they consumed drugs, spent the whole night together, etc. Onefortyone 13:16, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
I reverted the THREE (3) edits today by Onefortyone. Wikipedia has an Official policy with respect to article content. Wikipedia:Verifiability states "For an encyclopedia, sources should be unimpeachable" and Wikipedia:The perfect article says that an article: "reflects expert knowledge; fact-based."
First, the Memphis Mafia does not have a website. This was already clearly stated above on this page, but as he has done hundreds of times in the past here and in other articles, Onefortyone ignores facts and reinserts it. That is precisely why a complaint was filed against him with the Arbitration Committee.
Second, the references here are prersented in a POV and derogatory manner and are references to an obscure book that has no peer review but is, on a Google Seach by author names, listed in first position at "Elvis Presley Gossip & Scandal books from The Bomp Bookshelf" here which says the exact reference inserted here by OneFortyone is "Pointless, and don't be fooled by the non-sequitur title." Such references are in fact completely pointless in an Encyclopedia. This also falls into the category of not being a Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
Inserting text that attributes Onefortyone's personal opinion violates Wikipedia:No original research. (See edit here that begins with "Some accounts characterize …."
Next, taking only a negative excerpt from Albert Goldman's book has no place in an encyclopedic article because it provides no balance and Goldman's information is a quote alleged to have come from a third party. Non-balanced text insertion is in fact NPOV. Conversely, Goldman has many positive statements about Presley, do we start to insert all of them to counteract the negative? That is non-encyclopedic. If we start accepting "unsubstantiated" quotes from any author who was not a witness to the event, then we then must accept thousands of quotes from other authors and not just for this article but every other article in Wikipedia. That is the reason why Wikipedia Policy exists. In the case of Presley, we are talking about upwards of two thousand books but even others like George W. Bush have a growing number filled with all kinds of quotes. All Onefortyone is attempting to do here is to get Wikipedia to accept a quote from any book so as to establish a precedent to get around the Wikipedia:Reliable sources policy.
- Ted Wilkes 15:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
According to a recent Playboy article by Byron Raphael and Alanna Nash, entitled "In Bed With Elvis" (November 2005), Natalie Wood "was not the only one to think Elvis and the guys might be homosexual, especially since Elvis often wore pancake makeup and mascara offstage to accentuate his brooding intensity, a la Tony Curtis and Rudolph Valentino, his favorite movie actors." This quote may be included in the Wikipedia article. Onefortyone 23:31, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
This whole area is pure slanderous gossip. Call this an encylcopedia! MRMAGOO3MRMAGOO3 MRMAGOO3
User:Onefortyone violated his Wikipedia:Probation and reinserted links to a website that his Wikipedia Mentor User:FCYTravis said was improper. As well, he inserted a link to a personal website in contravention of Wikipedia sources policy.
In addition, he quoted out of context and deliberately distorted facts in his quoting Byron Raphael. Onefortyone inserted:
First, Alanna Nash made no such statenment. Second, Natalie Wood is quoted out of context, and the last line is a deliberate misrepresentation. It was in fact the author of the article Byron Raphael who stated that "Elvis was frightened of homosexuals." - Ted Wilkes 15:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Please support your unsubstantiated statement that Alanna Nash is co-author of this article with the full Playboy Magazine by-line. Also, you are on
Wikipedia:Probation and your Wikipedia Mentor
User:FCYTravis stated
here that the External link you keep reinserting is unacceptable. If you violate your Mentor's instructions again, I will report this violation.
Ted Wilkes
14:04, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
To Wikipedia User on Probation Onefortyone: Your linking Byron Raphael's words that Elvis Presley was "frightened of homosexuals" to Homophobia#Internalized_homophobia is a deliberate misrepresentation with your own Personal Opinion that is Wikipedia:No original research.
I removed the following as the quotes are deliberately taken out of context to promote User:Onefortyone's agenda for which he was placed on probation. The entire article presents a completely different picture than what is falsely portrayed here.
- Ted Wilkes 18:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
As I stated above, I removed the above text as the quotes are deliberately taken out of context to promote User:Onefortyone's agenda for which he was placed on probation. The entire article presents a completely different picture than what is falsely portrayed here in Onefortyone's continued attempt to portray Elvis Presly as gay. As an example, here are other quotes from the Byron Raphael article:
And as to Presley being "scared of Lizabeth Scott", Onefortyone made sure not to add:
- Ted Wilkes 21:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
To: User:Onefortyone - Anita Wood is a Pentecostal and an active member who teaches in her church. She adheres to her Church doctrine that states that "pre-marital sex is a sin." Do not, under any circumstanxces, make fun or denegrate people's religious beliefs be they Cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad or the teaching of the Pentecostal, Baptist, Methodist, and numerous other major world religions. - Ted Wilkes 14:38, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
User:Onefortyone inserted copyrighted material as he stated above: "direct quotes from the Playboy article". - 14:40, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I think that the following paragraph includes some interesting eye-witness accounts concerning the Memphis Mafia:
It is clearly shown that one of the tasks of the men around Elvis was to procure girls for the singer. Peggy Lipton relates that Elvis and the guys from the Memphis Mafia were living close together. There can be no doubt that they were the singer's intimite friends and even around Elvis when he tried to make love to a girl in his bed. Natalie Wood's remark is not unimportant in this context, as she and some other people were thinking that the guys around Presley were homosexual. This was not mentioned before in the article. Onefortyone 01:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Reformatted article for summary style, reorganized information for flow. Took out trivia as that is looked down upon for 'good' article and there is wikiquote among other resources where trivia would go. More work needs to be done with the language and organization though. -- Northmeister 03:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Recent edits to format and format title's; and the taking out of the template related to Elvis Presley are not edits meant to be helpful but disruptive. If the editor in question "Onefortyone" wishes to help out - I would ask he work with the community here by submitting his edits below for commentary and that he offer a reason for the removal of the template. Undoing a cleaned up version and reverting to a previous version without comment on talk is not cordial editing or showing good faith to others both violations of wikipedia editing practices and disrupting behavior. We are all here to give a good article - lets work in harmony here without phrases like "parasites". -- Northmeister 04:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Until cordial editing is done by user Onefortyone or the community deals with his editing patterns I will no longer involve myself in this article and let his repeated patterns continue unabated. There is ample record for future editors to explore before attempting cleanup and NPOV here - I invite all concerned party's to cleanup this article and restore its encylopedic nature - and wish them the best. Expect namecalling, false accusations, and edit wars if you try to do anything proper with the article. If you need assistance - just drop me a line. -- Northmeister 05:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
In this series of edits, Onefortyone added a pile of . . . let's say, material to the article. Sample:
Let's put aside for a moment the question of whether this is encyclopedic information or merely titillating infotainment, and instead look at the next edit. In it, ElvisFan1981 reverts these edits by Onefortyone, with the remarkable edit summary:
This is alarming indeed. From precisely where is it plagiarized, ElvisFan1981? -- Hoary ( talk) 13:16, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
TCB is not an acronym but an abbreviation. An acronym is a word that is made from initials, such as Pluto (Pipe line under the ocean) or Nato (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation) 46.7.85.68 ( talk) 17:12, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
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I don't know what should be wrong with this article. The members of the Memphis Mafia themselves confirm most details on their own website: [1] Onefortyone 01:03, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
I've cleaned it up. Avoid inserting needless inuendo and it should be ok. Cited references are welcome, but may be chracterized as to provenance and source. Wyss 16:03, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I do not understand why this important link was deleted:
To: User:Onefortyone:
Some reviews of Alanna Nash's book, Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations from the Memphis Mafia:
I've protected this article, as there's lots of reverting going on but no discussion. Try discussing your changes and if you can't convince each other, take it to RfC. Once you've agreed, let me know or post a request for unprotection. -- fvw * 23:42, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
RfC may be the only way. Wyss 23:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
No discussion for yonks. Unprotecting. -- Tony Sidaway Talk 19:40, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
The whole thing's in arbitration now, I think the page should remain protected. Wyss 20:04, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
If there is a serious problem, you can petition the arbitration committee for an injunction against the involved parties. No need to protect the page. -- Tony Sidaway Talk 20:06, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Nobody requested unprotection and I think there's a need for continued protection. As I said, it's all in arbitration now anyway. Wyss 20:13, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I warn all involved in this case that it is probably not in your interests to make edits to this article that may be interpreted as hostile or defiant acts. -- Tony Sidaway Talk 21:17, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I do not understand why User:Ted Wilkes has now deleted a perfectly well hyperlink to a website by the Memphis Mafia members from the article. See [2]. The same user also removed a passage which stated that Elvis Presley "reportedly supplied the Memphis Mafia members with alcohol, illicit drugs, and prostitutes". See [3]. Onefortyone 20:25, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
I did some further research on Elvis and the men from the Memphis Mafia.
I hope that these sources indeed prove that there were several "yes men" among these guys, that they consumed drugs, spent the whole night together, etc. Onefortyone 13:16, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
I reverted the THREE (3) edits today by Onefortyone. Wikipedia has an Official policy with respect to article content. Wikipedia:Verifiability states "For an encyclopedia, sources should be unimpeachable" and Wikipedia:The perfect article says that an article: "reflects expert knowledge; fact-based."
First, the Memphis Mafia does not have a website. This was already clearly stated above on this page, but as he has done hundreds of times in the past here and in other articles, Onefortyone ignores facts and reinserts it. That is precisely why a complaint was filed against him with the Arbitration Committee.
Second, the references here are prersented in a POV and derogatory manner and are references to an obscure book that has no peer review but is, on a Google Seach by author names, listed in first position at "Elvis Presley Gossip & Scandal books from The Bomp Bookshelf" here which says the exact reference inserted here by OneFortyone is "Pointless, and don't be fooled by the non-sequitur title." Such references are in fact completely pointless in an Encyclopedia. This also falls into the category of not being a Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
Inserting text that attributes Onefortyone's personal opinion violates Wikipedia:No original research. (See edit here that begins with "Some accounts characterize …."
Next, taking only a negative excerpt from Albert Goldman's book has no place in an encyclopedic article because it provides no balance and Goldman's information is a quote alleged to have come from a third party. Non-balanced text insertion is in fact NPOV. Conversely, Goldman has many positive statements about Presley, do we start to insert all of them to counteract the negative? That is non-encyclopedic. If we start accepting "unsubstantiated" quotes from any author who was not a witness to the event, then we then must accept thousands of quotes from other authors and not just for this article but every other article in Wikipedia. That is the reason why Wikipedia Policy exists. In the case of Presley, we are talking about upwards of two thousand books but even others like George W. Bush have a growing number filled with all kinds of quotes. All Onefortyone is attempting to do here is to get Wikipedia to accept a quote from any book so as to establish a precedent to get around the Wikipedia:Reliable sources policy.
- Ted Wilkes 15:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
According to a recent Playboy article by Byron Raphael and Alanna Nash, entitled "In Bed With Elvis" (November 2005), Natalie Wood "was not the only one to think Elvis and the guys might be homosexual, especially since Elvis often wore pancake makeup and mascara offstage to accentuate his brooding intensity, a la Tony Curtis and Rudolph Valentino, his favorite movie actors." This quote may be included in the Wikipedia article. Onefortyone 23:31, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
This whole area is pure slanderous gossip. Call this an encylcopedia! MRMAGOO3MRMAGOO3 MRMAGOO3
User:Onefortyone violated his Wikipedia:Probation and reinserted links to a website that his Wikipedia Mentor User:FCYTravis said was improper. As well, he inserted a link to a personal website in contravention of Wikipedia sources policy.
In addition, he quoted out of context and deliberately distorted facts in his quoting Byron Raphael. Onefortyone inserted:
First, Alanna Nash made no such statenment. Second, Natalie Wood is quoted out of context, and the last line is a deliberate misrepresentation. It was in fact the author of the article Byron Raphael who stated that "Elvis was frightened of homosexuals." - Ted Wilkes 15:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Please support your unsubstantiated statement that Alanna Nash is co-author of this article with the full Playboy Magazine by-line. Also, you are on
Wikipedia:Probation and your Wikipedia Mentor
User:FCYTravis stated
here that the External link you keep reinserting is unacceptable. If you violate your Mentor's instructions again, I will report this violation.
Ted Wilkes
14:04, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
To Wikipedia User on Probation Onefortyone: Your linking Byron Raphael's words that Elvis Presley was "frightened of homosexuals" to Homophobia#Internalized_homophobia is a deliberate misrepresentation with your own Personal Opinion that is Wikipedia:No original research.
I removed the following as the quotes are deliberately taken out of context to promote User:Onefortyone's agenda for which he was placed on probation. The entire article presents a completely different picture than what is falsely portrayed here.
- Ted Wilkes 18:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
As I stated above, I removed the above text as the quotes are deliberately taken out of context to promote User:Onefortyone's agenda for which he was placed on probation. The entire article presents a completely different picture than what is falsely portrayed here in Onefortyone's continued attempt to portray Elvis Presly as gay. As an example, here are other quotes from the Byron Raphael article:
And as to Presley being "scared of Lizabeth Scott", Onefortyone made sure not to add:
- Ted Wilkes 21:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
To: User:Onefortyone - Anita Wood is a Pentecostal and an active member who teaches in her church. She adheres to her Church doctrine that states that "pre-marital sex is a sin." Do not, under any circumstanxces, make fun or denegrate people's religious beliefs be they Cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad or the teaching of the Pentecostal, Baptist, Methodist, and numerous other major world religions. - Ted Wilkes 14:38, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
User:Onefortyone inserted copyrighted material as he stated above: "direct quotes from the Playboy article". - 14:40, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I think that the following paragraph includes some interesting eye-witness accounts concerning the Memphis Mafia:
It is clearly shown that one of the tasks of the men around Elvis was to procure girls for the singer. Peggy Lipton relates that Elvis and the guys from the Memphis Mafia were living close together. There can be no doubt that they were the singer's intimite friends and even around Elvis when he tried to make love to a girl in his bed. Natalie Wood's remark is not unimportant in this context, as she and some other people were thinking that the guys around Presley were homosexual. This was not mentioned before in the article. Onefortyone 01:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Reformatted article for summary style, reorganized information for flow. Took out trivia as that is looked down upon for 'good' article and there is wikiquote among other resources where trivia would go. More work needs to be done with the language and organization though. -- Northmeister 03:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Recent edits to format and format title's; and the taking out of the template related to Elvis Presley are not edits meant to be helpful but disruptive. If the editor in question "Onefortyone" wishes to help out - I would ask he work with the community here by submitting his edits below for commentary and that he offer a reason for the removal of the template. Undoing a cleaned up version and reverting to a previous version without comment on talk is not cordial editing or showing good faith to others both violations of wikipedia editing practices and disrupting behavior. We are all here to give a good article - lets work in harmony here without phrases like "parasites". -- Northmeister 04:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Until cordial editing is done by user Onefortyone or the community deals with his editing patterns I will no longer involve myself in this article and let his repeated patterns continue unabated. There is ample record for future editors to explore before attempting cleanup and NPOV here - I invite all concerned party's to cleanup this article and restore its encylopedic nature - and wish them the best. Expect namecalling, false accusations, and edit wars if you try to do anything proper with the article. If you need assistance - just drop me a line. -- Northmeister 05:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
In this series of edits, Onefortyone added a pile of . . . let's say, material to the article. Sample:
Let's put aside for a moment the question of whether this is encyclopedic information or merely titillating infotainment, and instead look at the next edit. In it, ElvisFan1981 reverts these edits by Onefortyone, with the remarkable edit summary:
This is alarming indeed. From precisely where is it plagiarized, ElvisFan1981? -- Hoary ( talk) 13:16, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
TCB is not an acronym but an abbreviation. An acronym is a word that is made from initials, such as Pluto (Pipe line under the ocean) or Nato (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation) 46.7.85.68 ( talk) 17:12, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
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Would be nice to include the full list of core members and indicate who is still alive 51.37.206.248 ( talk) 12:01, 28 May 2022 (UTC)