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When used as a title obviously it should be capitalised (e.g.: Joe Bloggs Member of Parliament) but then the acronym is always used. Elsewhere it makes little sense (i.e.: it should be Joe Bloggs is a member of parliament). Even member of Parliament would be just acceptable if it was clear we were talking about a specific parliament (as Parliament could be shorthand for Parliament of ...) but we aren't in this article. The same thing applies to simlar articles like Assembly Member.
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 00:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
My friends in the UK are describing the Wikipedia as "a great work of fiction" based in part on the claim that an MP is a representative elected by the voters of an electoral district and that, therefore, members of the House of Lords are not Members of Parliament. I see absolutely NO sources or references in the article for restricting the term MP to the Commons in the UK (There seems to be a little somehting for that in Australia.) Can someone provide an authoritative reference? Pzavon 01:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
This is obviously speculation, but I would hazard the guess that Commons members would have adopted "MP" in order to make clear that they were Members of Parliament, whereas peers haven't ever needed to do the same - they already had titles, which (until very recently) would have come with a seat in the Lords, so it didn't need to be stated seperately. 86.170.165.125 ( talk) 21:58, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Kenyan Parliament, homepage http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/ To be added -- RicHard ( talk) 14:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I think the topical importance of MP's remuneration means that this section warrants its own entry. I'll look at seeing how this might be done Cloversmate ( talk) 22:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
The subsection on Wales currently starts:
The Welsh Assembly ... forms the Welsh Assembly Government, which unusually combines legislative and executive functions[citation needed].
I'm no expert on the relationship between Assembly and Government, but this statement seems to contradict what is said on the Assembly's website:
http://www.assemblywales.org/abthome.htm
where the "The Assembly" section says:
This section explains ... the difference between the National Assembly for Wales and the Welsh Government ..."
Perhaps somebody who knows the details could rewrite the start of this subsection.
Eebkent ( talk) 11:43, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Despite having lived in the U.S. for some 20-odd years, I saw the term, "MP," to refer a member of parliament for the first time today. It might be a good idea to change this text to something along the lines of, "In many English-speaking parliamentary countries, the term...." It's additionally confusing because the term, "MP," typically refers to military police in the U.S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.121.17.189 ( talk) 05:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus, not moved ( non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis ( talk) 01:00, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Member of Parliament → Member of parliament – As the lead explains, the topic is the generic member of parliament, not some proper noun. Dicklyon ( talk) 05:22, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
In response to BrownHairedGirl:
In response to Dicklyon:
— Anomalocaris ( talk) 23:51, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian ( talk) 16:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Member of Parliament → Member of parliament – The previous RM was prematurely closed as the discussion section above shows. There's no good reason to treat parliament as a proper name in this context. Dicklyon ( talk) 16:18, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Isn't Israel a Westminster system? The articl on the Westminster system says it is.
If the two sections are split according to the use of the english term member of parliament/MP, then that should be made more clear, perhaps by renaming the sections "usage by country" and "other titles". Hydromania ( talk) 07:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Alright, I know the 2014 RFC result was/is Member of parliament instead of Member of Parliament. But it is rather odd, comparing to Member of Congress, not to mention that we use the abbreviation MP, rather then Mp. 19:04, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 08:50, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Member of parliament → Member of Parliament – This is a title which is capitalised in reliable sources, including the UK Parliament's own website. [ [1]] [ [2]] [ [3]] Google ngrams shows capitals to be most commonly used. [ [4]]. I confess to only having looked at British English sources but that is purely because the article is written in British English. Ykraps ( talk) 06:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Do not apply initial capitals in a full term that is a common-noun phrase, just because capitals are used in its abbreviation", so the abbreviation shouldn't make a difference. — BarrelProof ( talk) 07:02, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Offices, titles, and positions such as president, king, emperor, grand duke, lord mayor, pope, bishop, abbot, prime minister, leader of the opposition, chief financial officer, and executive director are common nouns and therefore should be in lower case when used generically". Nothing has changed. We don't capitalize vice president, prime minister, grand duke and lord mayor, so why this one? I suggest a speedy close of this, since it doesn't have a WP:SNOWball's chance of success. — BarrelProof ( talk) 06:58, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment I would have preferred to see some reliable sources, which is what we are supposed to be following. I concede that the sources I have presented refer to a particular parliament but they do not refer to a particular member, and yet member is still capitalised. In addition, can anyone explain why, in this same article, Member of Congress and Senate Parliamentarian (both job titles) retain their capitals? Thanks -- Ykraps ( talk) 08:44, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
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When used as a title obviously it should be capitalised (e.g.: Joe Bloggs Member of Parliament) but then the acronym is always used. Elsewhere it makes little sense (i.e.: it should be Joe Bloggs is a member of parliament). Even member of Parliament would be just acceptable if it was clear we were talking about a specific parliament (as Parliament could be shorthand for Parliament of ...) but we aren't in this article. The same thing applies to simlar articles like Assembly Member.
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 00:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
My friends in the UK are describing the Wikipedia as "a great work of fiction" based in part on the claim that an MP is a representative elected by the voters of an electoral district and that, therefore, members of the House of Lords are not Members of Parliament. I see absolutely NO sources or references in the article for restricting the term MP to the Commons in the UK (There seems to be a little somehting for that in Australia.) Can someone provide an authoritative reference? Pzavon 01:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
This is obviously speculation, but I would hazard the guess that Commons members would have adopted "MP" in order to make clear that they were Members of Parliament, whereas peers haven't ever needed to do the same - they already had titles, which (until very recently) would have come with a seat in the Lords, so it didn't need to be stated seperately. 86.170.165.125 ( talk) 21:58, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Kenyan Parliament, homepage http://www.bunge.go.ke/parliament/ To be added -- RicHard ( talk) 14:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I think the topical importance of MP's remuneration means that this section warrants its own entry. I'll look at seeing how this might be done Cloversmate ( talk) 22:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
The subsection on Wales currently starts:
The Welsh Assembly ... forms the Welsh Assembly Government, which unusually combines legislative and executive functions[citation needed].
I'm no expert on the relationship between Assembly and Government, but this statement seems to contradict what is said on the Assembly's website:
http://www.assemblywales.org/abthome.htm
where the "The Assembly" section says:
This section explains ... the difference between the National Assembly for Wales and the Welsh Government ..."
Perhaps somebody who knows the details could rewrite the start of this subsection.
Eebkent ( talk) 11:43, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Despite having lived in the U.S. for some 20-odd years, I saw the term, "MP," to refer a member of parliament for the first time today. It might be a good idea to change this text to something along the lines of, "In many English-speaking parliamentary countries, the term...." It's additionally confusing because the term, "MP," typically refers to military police in the U.S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.121.17.189 ( talk) 05:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus, not moved ( non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis ( talk) 01:00, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Member of Parliament → Member of parliament – As the lead explains, the topic is the generic member of parliament, not some proper noun. Dicklyon ( talk) 05:22, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
In response to BrownHairedGirl:
In response to Dicklyon:
— Anomalocaris ( talk) 23:51, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian ( talk) 16:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Member of Parliament → Member of parliament – The previous RM was prematurely closed as the discussion section above shows. There's no good reason to treat parliament as a proper name in this context. Dicklyon ( talk) 16:18, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Isn't Israel a Westminster system? The articl on the Westminster system says it is.
If the two sections are split according to the use of the english term member of parliament/MP, then that should be made more clear, perhaps by renaming the sections "usage by country" and "other titles". Hydromania ( talk) 07:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Alright, I know the 2014 RFC result was/is Member of parliament instead of Member of Parliament. But it is rather odd, comparing to Member of Congress, not to mention that we use the abbreviation MP, rather then Mp. 19:04, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 08:50, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Member of parliament → Member of Parliament – This is a title which is capitalised in reliable sources, including the UK Parliament's own website. [ [1]] [ [2]] [ [3]] Google ngrams shows capitals to be most commonly used. [ [4]]. I confess to only having looked at British English sources but that is purely because the article is written in British English. Ykraps ( talk) 06:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Do not apply initial capitals in a full term that is a common-noun phrase, just because capitals are used in its abbreviation", so the abbreviation shouldn't make a difference. — BarrelProof ( talk) 07:02, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Offices, titles, and positions such as president, king, emperor, grand duke, lord mayor, pope, bishop, abbot, prime minister, leader of the opposition, chief financial officer, and executive director are common nouns and therefore should be in lower case when used generically". Nothing has changed. We don't capitalize vice president, prime minister, grand duke and lord mayor, so why this one? I suggest a speedy close of this, since it doesn't have a WP:SNOWball's chance of success. — BarrelProof ( talk) 06:58, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment I would have preferred to see some reliable sources, which is what we are supposed to be following. I concede that the sources I have presented refer to a particular parliament but they do not refer to a particular member, and yet member is still capitalised. In addition, can anyone explain why, in this same article, Member of Congress and Senate Parliamentarian (both job titles) retain their capitals? Thanks -- Ykraps ( talk) 08:44, 14 November 2021 (UTC)