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I'd like to propose moving this article to
Melbourne Rebels(ARC) and developing this page for the new Super 15 team. We can then put a disambiguation at the top reading
For the team of the same name in the Australian Rugby Championship please see
Melbourne Rebels(ARC)
That way, people coming will find information on the current team, not the old one.
Thoughts?
Paul
Paul Roberton (
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14:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
(in jean luc picard voice) Make it so.
need to make it upto date though, theres lots of information out there that has been followed by the media and has been looked over.-- Hatgreg ( talk) 14:35, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I think we should just "be bold" and do it, otherwise the article will begin to amalgamate like it already has.--
Hatgreg (
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10:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
I moved the page, need to refine it now, History from the start of the Announcement of the expansion of the super 14 to current should be included, other content should be added as it is released. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hatgreg ( talk • contribs) 11:38, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
This paged should have been moved to Melbourne Rebels (ARC) if you wanted two seperate articles because now the history of the page is not left intact for people to see when they go to that page -- sss333 ( talk) 02:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
References always go at the bottom, so don't just keep adding things beneath the previous section.
I like that you're enthusiastic and have ideas, but take a breath! I'm trying to make practical changes but you're half a step ahead of me and I'm no mind reader lol.... Make a list of the things you need done, and I'll help. You don't need to do everything yourself and you don't need to do it so quickly. Put your list here, and between us we can manage it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proberton ( talk • contribs) 11:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
sorry, the references were like that direct from the previous article i created and someone edited it, i just did a direct copy.--
Hatgreg (
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12:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Watch the colours of the team strip. I've seen photographs suggesting the shirt is predominantly BLUE with two white hoops. I'll find it and post a link here. 12:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proberton ( talk • contribs)
Found it! Its a photo from the Heraldsun [1] you'll see the differences from the jersey worn by the ARC team. Paul Roberton ( talk) 12:23, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Thats the Axemen Jersey, for the victorian schoolboys, those boys are the 3 or 4 Victorians in the Australian Schoolboys squad and they will probably be carried over to the academy possibly for signings.-- Hatgreg ( talk) 12:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Here is a list of Things that need to be added to this article
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21694664@N03/2338326986 flickr says: "Anyone can see this photo." --wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 13:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wcrosbie ( talk • contribs)
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ACT Brumbies) was before he returned to NSW, to Sydney Uni to for the 2009 and joining Waratahs' squad in 2010 (including playing in the Tahs pre-season).
[1]--wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 06:10, 20 May 2010 (UTC)e.g.
-- Hatgreg ( talk) 12:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
You're talking about the bid that went ultimately went to WA? I'll get started on on that. Will work on it in my sandbox here => User:Proberton/sandbox9and the history of rugby in victoria
We shouldn't do ANYTHING on "rumoured signings" its against Wikipedia policy- they call it "crystal balling".
Paul Roberton ( talk) 12:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
sorry i more meant passing mention like when evans said they had lined up cheika.-- Hatgreg ( talk) 13:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't the capacity be listed at the lower rugby capacity? By my understanding the MRS will use temporary stands in the in goal area to bring the capacity to 31 000 during football(soccer) games. Rugby would not have these extra seats. Crazydude22 ( talk) 16:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I understood the opposite to be true- Victory fans wanted standing room only behind the goals. I will try and find something out, but we might be better off asking some of the editors of the MRS page. Paul Roberton ( talk) 23:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Upon reading the MRS page, you're quite right but I haven't found what the rugby capacity is. Paul Roberton ( talk) 23:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
On what i've read it goes 31,001 and then 31,500 for the soccer, though im unsure, the storm advertise it as a capacity of 31,001. (dirty mungoes)-- Hatgreg ( talk) 10:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Under the section on application for 15th licence, should it not be noted that the Southern Kings bid was considered the better one in rugby terms, but that Melbourne won due to TV rights? [2] Crazydude22 ( talk) 07:50, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
crazydude you could also note, through the website not based in south africa that the decision was also based on the whole its an australian conference thing and the evening out of teams, and many south africans disillusionment with that bid and cheeky watson? -- Hatgreg ( talk) 02:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Well if you looked at when bids were first called for, nowhere did SANZAR say that the team had to be from Australia, or even based in Aus. I remember a New Zealand union tried to bid as well, but were rejected by the NZRU. Many South Africans may have been against Cheeky Watson ( a whole other matter in my opinion), but the panel appointed by SANZAR stilled said that they felt the SOuthern Kings were a better rugby option, and would be able to be 'up and running' far more quickly and easily. Thet also said that they felt that having a South African team would reduce the TV rights that SANZAR would recieve. Crazydude22 ( talk) 10:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
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Schalk Burger, Jacque Fourie and Bryan Habanna have not signed for the Rebels, that's pure speculation. Removing now. Crazydude22 ( talk) 14:23, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
I can't find sources to confirm the signings of Johnston and Gasnier. Nothing on the official page and nothing but speculation on Google. Paul Roberton ( talk) 08:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I've found no internet sources for the recent additions to the page. I've tagged them and will wait 24hrs. If someone hasn't referenced them by this time tomorrow, I'll remove them. I'd suggest we only add players to the list as they're announced by reputable media outlets ( ie not blogs, I'd suggest). Paul Roberton ( talk) 05:05, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Upon realising the people named were either dead or not rugby players I deleted them lol... Paul Roberton ( talk) 06:19, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Keep an eye out on the media outlets in the new few days/week... Mortlock seems on the verge [3]... Paul Roberton ( talk) 06:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Although Cipriani played Flyhalf for the Wasp, Macqueen did say he wanted him at Fullback for the Rebels.
[Herald Sun http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/club-not-cash-lures-cipriani-to-rebels/story-e6frf9if-1225832383606] "Rebels coach Rod Macqueen has been in regular contact with Cipriani, who he has pencilled in as his fullback, since he was interviewed by assistant coach Damien Hill and recruiting consultant John Connolly in London last month." Paul Roberton ( talk) 13:01, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I'd say that's a fairly reliable and authoritative source! I knew he played 5/8 for the Wasps and saw the back-and-forth on this page previously. I'd say its pretty water tight now. (Need to move him up the other halves, so the list is still in order by field position) Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 07:44, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
I think we're over reaching a little.I've been having a look at some articles; Melbourne Storm, Western Force and Melbourne Heart. I think we can dial the history section back a bit, particularly the early (pre 1900) stuff. ( I might put it into the rugby union in Victoria article). The bid process can be culled a little bit, and we could/should make more reference to the attendances at test matches, world cup, comm games sevens etc. Thoughts? Paul Roberton ( talk) 09:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
This list has had all sorts of people adding names to it. In the early days, three people were added, were either dead or not even rugby players. Players were added to this list on pure speculation. Adam Freier was added because the Rebels were "talking" to him. The ARU didn't ratify his recruitment. Richard Kingi was added prematurely because the Rebels couldn't announce him because of the embargo. Michael Lipman was on that list also but the ARU rejected him because he refused a drug test. We need those footnotes to control the page, until the Rebels, or some reliable media publishes the playing list in full. Thanks. Paul ( Paul Roberton ( talk)) 03:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
"taken from The Melbourne Rebels [ http://www.melbournerebels.com.au/player-profile.aspx official website ] as at XX/YY/2010" ? Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 06:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
From News24:
Johannesburg - Former Wallaby coach Eddie Jones on Thursday said an extra Australian team should not have been added to the Super rugby competition. The Melbourne Rebels are the new franchise named to play in the inaugural Super 15 next year, Sanzar (South Africa New Zealand Australia Rugby) having decided to expand the current Super 14 tournament. But Jones, who coached the Brumbies to the 2001 Super 12 title and also coached the Reds in the Super 14, said the Rebels should not have been included.
"The reason they're in is because of TV rights. The current 14-team competition is just starting to find its feet and this year is the most competitive it's been for a while, with eight or nine teams in contention. The addition of another Australian franchise is not good for Australian rugby nor for the competition," Jones told Reuters in Johannesburg on Thursday.
The man who steered the Wallabies to the 2003 World Cup final said the current four Australian franchises were trying to eke out quality players as it is.
"Another Australian side is just going to weaken the third and fourth teams. If you consider South Africa, they have a great number of players but can still only support four very good Super 14 sides. It's unrealistic for Australia to have five teams and it will be bad for Wallaby rugby in the short-term, for the next 10 to 15 years," Jones said.
The Melbourne Rebels have been allowed an exemption to sign 10 overseas players and have announced Waratahs hooker and former Wallaby Adam Freier, former national captain Stirling Mortlock and England flyhalf Danny Cipriani as their first acquisitions.
But Jones said he believed the Rebels would struggle due to a lack of top-class players. "They haven't exactly signed a whole lot of quality players. There are only two areas in Australia that produce rugby union players - New South Wales and Queensland - and if you are a youngster from there and you have a choice between Melbourne or Perth to live in, it's a no-brainer where you'll go.
"So the Force are the side that will really be affected and they're weak enough as it is. They spent huge amounts of money on players like Matt Giteau and Nathan Sharpe, and now what?" Jones said.
The Force are currently 13th in the Super 14 standings, having won just one of their seven matches. Jones did, however, have praise for the new law interpretations being used in the Super 14, which he said have reduced the amount of kicking that caused so much ire last season.
"It's the best thing to happen to rugby. Last year we had 65 to 70 kicks per game and now it is down to 50 so there is a much greater balance between attack and defence. The quality of the rugby is much better." Jones is in South Africa as a coach for the Winning Ways program set up by Jake White, whom he assisted when the Springboks won the World Cup in 2007.
White said he also favoured the new law interpretations, but was quick to point out that a territorial kicking game will still be vital and that it remained a cardinal sin to try and run the ball from your own 22m area. "The changes have been fantastic and they've allowed more attacking spark. But you still need field position - 74% of tries have been scored from the first three phases, so there is still an emphasis on territory and a kicking game is still important," White told Reuters. "It's still no use keeping your own ball through 10 phases and not getting away from your own territory."
White said he did not believe rugby needed to go as far as increasing the number of points for a try in order to encourage attacking play.
"Maybe you should only get a bonus point if you score four tries more than your opposition though, because that would keep the intensity through 80 minutes," White said. [5]
Now I think that a comment like this, from someone of Jones' rugby standing should be included. Crazydude22 ( talk) 12:27, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I do believe this is probably the most pertinent. Stick it in a quote under the "franchise" section. Good for maintaining NPOV.
Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 14:02, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
perhaps you should add that noone in australia takes jones seriously and thinks he has a few bones to pick with the ARU administration since being sacked by them for not being a very good coach and not being very good to work with. -- Hatgreg ( talk) 07:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
The Laurie Weeks link you just reinstated links to a female fiction author. The Luke Jones link is to the article about a soccer defender. I'm removing the links. comes.amanuensis 12:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Comes.amanuensis ( talk • contribs)
The Melbourne Rebels official website have removed the ARC logo from their homepage, making the ARC logo displayed here now redundant. If there are no objections in the next 12 hours, I'll take it down. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 01:28, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I've got a contact with the media unit at the Melbourne Rebels, and have emailed her about uploading the new logo as it appears on the website. I've also put out a call for free-use images of the playing strip Luke Jones wore at the Weary Dunlop lunch. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 01:24, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
This article is now 61kb long (and almost ready for a split I should think) and yet the Rebels haven't played a game. Probably time for a tidy up and a cull. Squad to start training October 1. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 22:42, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
wcrosbie, I think the first 2 pars of the history could could into the 'rugby union in Victoria' article. That third par could go into "previous bids". Dump the restructure of SANZAR, I don't think we need it. Do you think we need the attendance figures? I'm not sure. Take the club rugby out of the franchise area. Split the franchise area section into Franchise and Reception (Jones v Macqueen). I don't think we need the list of past Victorian players (Weary Dunlop etc), that could go on the 'rugby in victoria page'. Keep the stuff about the player embargo, and Macqueen's philosophy on culture building, Cipriani as the first signing; dump the rest(ie player announcements), write a paragraph on the foreign players, and the rugby league converts, and then lead into the squad list. As soon as the squad is finalised, reference the Rebels Official website and remove all the player signing footnotes; that should thin out the footnotes at the bottom which is insufferably long. Need to get back to work, but if you want to perhaps create a list of things to do and add your own thoughts we can get started. Cheers, Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 03:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Troy Thomson was Storm's High Performance Manager.
[1] What is his Rebels' role?
--wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 21:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
High Performance Manager [9] Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 22:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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Australian spelling (i.e. licence not license) is preferred, isn't it?
Changed to licence today. wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 02:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
There's are conflicting roles for Ben Darwin. Is he:
1. Scrum coach/Video Analyst -
Ben Darwin
[1]
or later,
2. Video Analyst Ben Darwin.
Which is more accurate?
wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 02:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
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Yes Saffy was born in South Africa, but the flag icon isn't supposed to represent that. The flag icon represents the country the player is currently eligible to represent. That said, his eligibility isn't cut and dried either. The Jarrod Saffy article currently indicates he's eligible to represent Australia, South Africa and Lebanon. He's represented Australia at school boy level, Colts (U/21) and Sevens in Rugby Union. Given that we can't put three flag icons in the template, let's leave the flag icon as Australian until he plays in a senior international side. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 09:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I couldn't be bothered sifting through the history to find the culprit, but someone had changed Saffy's flag icon back to RSA. See above. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 14:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I created a new 2011 season section. I added it at the bottom of the article, but in hindsight, perhaps is should be a subsection of History? wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 03:15, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
The following players' articles have the template "Melbourns Rebels squad". Should this be "Melbourne Rebels squad"? wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 10:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
I've lacked significant motivation to make sure each of the players wiki articles now reflect the Rebels are their current club. How about we divide the playing list and get started on that? I'm particularly interested in making sure that info boxes on those articles are up to date. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 03:38, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Inaugural squad section be divided into two parts? At least in terms of a separate "recruitment" table to avoid confusion with the squad.
I would love to see a better squad template set in use for all Super Rugby teams, much like the
rls template used for rugby league or those used for basketball teams.
Cashie (
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16:32, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
With the preseason matches about to start, we'll have an excellent opportunity to get photos of the team and players in uniform. If anyone has an SLR camera, digital or otherwise, could you get down to a Olympic Park or Morwell? Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 01:52, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I did bring this up before, but now I have a source. For rugby the stadium will have a capacity of 29,500, source: Herald Sun Crazydude22 ( talk) 14:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
The Rebels have already had activity on player movement. Don't want to crystal ball but the following are the definites and the "may bes" we can stay on top of.
OUTS:
IN:
On trial http://www.melbournerebels.com.au/News/ArticleDetails/tabid/270/ArticleID/4018/Default.aspx
Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 04:51, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Just posted the 2012 squad up. Will tweak and invite tweaks. Also, new squad template now available at template:Melbourn Rebels squad 2012 Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 04:46, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
James O'Connor has been listed on the club website as a centre. Granted, anyone not living under a rock would know he's a candidate to play Fly half, but to place it on the wikipedia page flies in the face of information provided by the Rebels. Secondly, any prediction of a move into the halves is crystal balling. O'Connor's Rebels profile can be seen on the official website here: http://www.melbournerebels.com.au/Team/Player/tabid/297/playerid/36/Default.aspx Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 10:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
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The Rebels have 5 players in their extended playing squad: Luke Holmes, Nic Stirzaker, Cadeyrn Neville, Isiah Mosese, and Eddie Aholelei. Should we put them in the squad list here, or can someone think of a suitable place to list them? Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 00:33, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Is it time for a new Rebel Army page, a la Barmy Army? Why? Because, as discussed, the page is overly long. And because the citations need work. And because those who care about the Army could edit the page, reducing edits here. wcrosbie ( talk), Melbourne, Australia 00:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Freier, Mortlock, Lipman have retried. Blake hasn't played a game in how long? Gerrard and Huxley have left, as has Adam Byrnes (Russa, apparently). How about we start with the 30 man squad Robbie Deans names a few weeks ago? Add Delve, fair enough, he played for Wales against the Brumbies I THINK. Mitch Inman made the initial squad but hasn't gone any further but its being generous. I'll propose the following and make the changes accordingly.
Kurtley Beale Gareth Delve Mitch Inman James O'Connor Nick Phipps Cooper Vuna
Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 08:49, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I have done google search: "Damon Edmonds" AND "Melbourne Rebels". All I get is his linkedIN profile. There is no reference to him on the Melbourne Rebels website. There has been no media release (I am on their media distribution list), no announcement. There is no credible reference in any kind of reliable media that Damon Edmunds is associated with the Melbourne Rebels. I am reverting the article. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 02:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
This is becoming a bit problematic. I can at the very least say that Delve has far fewer games than Phipps now. Since playing v Sharks he has missed games against the Cheetahs, Force and the Kings. Phipps will surely be the lone "most caps". How best to reference this? Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 08:49, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I'll begin this section by saying the section on internationally capped players is perfectly encyclopaedic on the grounds it shows the quality of player that the Rebels are able to sign. The notability of Gareth Delve and Danny Cipriani within the rugby community drew some attention to the Rebels in their early days, and it is right that the list reflects those players. It also demonstrates what contribution the Rebels make to both Australian rugby and rugby communities overseas. For example, Eddie Aholelei has been released to for representative duties in the Pacific Nations cup. The recruitment of Shota Horie is indicative of the standard of rugby players now being developed in Japan. Furthermore, such a section is comparable to the "notable player" section in other rugby teams such as the Queensland Reds page. Only one player for the Rebels has played 100 games- that is Nic Henderson but he did not play 100 games for the Rebels. Instead of "notable players" I would suggest that "current international players" serves a purpose to highlight those players who have risen to the next level in rugby- representing their country. Until someone can explain to me how such a section is unnecessary, I move that the section be kept. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 09:51, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
I have reorganised the article into a similar format to Crusaders (rugby union) which is a Featured Article. A lot of areas of the article didn't comply with the manual of style WP:MOS - including the section headings (using "&", and inappropriate use of capitals). As well, there were many redundant sections (Honours?). I've left the internationally capped players section, mainly because a delisted well defined notable players section doesn't exist. These changes should be non-controversial. Maybe discuss here before making any more significant changes. - Shudde talk 10:11, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
"The club is run by a board..." It's time for an update. wcrosbie ( talk), Melbourne, Australia 01:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps Nathan Grey will join the Waratahs coaching team in 2014 to oversee the "defensive performance and contact skills of the squad"? Do you know a reliable source? wcrosbie ( talk), Melbourne, Australia 03:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
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I'd like to propose moving this article to
Melbourne Rebels(ARC) and developing this page for the new Super 15 team. We can then put a disambiguation at the top reading
For the team of the same name in the Australian Rugby Championship please see
Melbourne Rebels(ARC)
That way, people coming will find information on the current team, not the old one.
Thoughts?
Paul
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(in jean luc picard voice) Make it so.
need to make it upto date though, theres lots of information out there that has been followed by the media and has been looked over.-- Hatgreg ( talk) 14:35, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I think we should just "be bold" and do it, otherwise the article will begin to amalgamate like it already has.--
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I moved the page, need to refine it now, History from the start of the Announcement of the expansion of the super 14 to current should be included, other content should be added as it is released. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hatgreg ( talk • contribs) 11:38, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
This paged should have been moved to Melbourne Rebels (ARC) if you wanted two seperate articles because now the history of the page is not left intact for people to see when they go to that page -- sss333 ( talk) 02:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
References always go at the bottom, so don't just keep adding things beneath the previous section.
I like that you're enthusiastic and have ideas, but take a breath! I'm trying to make practical changes but you're half a step ahead of me and I'm no mind reader lol.... Make a list of the things you need done, and I'll help. You don't need to do everything yourself and you don't need to do it so quickly. Put your list here, and between us we can manage it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proberton ( talk • contribs) 11:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
sorry, the references were like that direct from the previous article i created and someone edited it, i just did a direct copy.--
Hatgreg (
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Watch the colours of the team strip. I've seen photographs suggesting the shirt is predominantly BLUE with two white hoops. I'll find it and post a link here. 12:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proberton ( talk • contribs)
Found it! Its a photo from the Heraldsun [1] you'll see the differences from the jersey worn by the ARC team. Paul Roberton ( talk) 12:23, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Thats the Axemen Jersey, for the victorian schoolboys, those boys are the 3 or 4 Victorians in the Australian Schoolboys squad and they will probably be carried over to the academy possibly for signings.-- Hatgreg ( talk) 12:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Here is a list of Things that need to be added to this article
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21694664@N03/2338326986 flickr says: "Anyone can see this photo." --wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 13:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wcrosbie ( talk • contribs)
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ACT Brumbies) was before he returned to NSW, to Sydney Uni to for the 2009 and joining Waratahs' squad in 2010 (including playing in the Tahs pre-season).
[1]--wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 06:10, 20 May 2010 (UTC)e.g.
-- Hatgreg ( talk) 12:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
You're talking about the bid that went ultimately went to WA? I'll get started on on that. Will work on it in my sandbox here => User:Proberton/sandbox9and the history of rugby in victoria
We shouldn't do ANYTHING on "rumoured signings" its against Wikipedia policy- they call it "crystal balling".
Paul Roberton ( talk) 12:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
sorry i more meant passing mention like when evans said they had lined up cheika.-- Hatgreg ( talk) 13:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't the capacity be listed at the lower rugby capacity? By my understanding the MRS will use temporary stands in the in goal area to bring the capacity to 31 000 during football(soccer) games. Rugby would not have these extra seats. Crazydude22 ( talk) 16:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I understood the opposite to be true- Victory fans wanted standing room only behind the goals. I will try and find something out, but we might be better off asking some of the editors of the MRS page. Paul Roberton ( talk) 23:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Upon reading the MRS page, you're quite right but I haven't found what the rugby capacity is. Paul Roberton ( talk) 23:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
On what i've read it goes 31,001 and then 31,500 for the soccer, though im unsure, the storm advertise it as a capacity of 31,001. (dirty mungoes)-- Hatgreg ( talk) 10:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Under the section on application for 15th licence, should it not be noted that the Southern Kings bid was considered the better one in rugby terms, but that Melbourne won due to TV rights? [2] Crazydude22 ( talk) 07:50, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
crazydude you could also note, through the website not based in south africa that the decision was also based on the whole its an australian conference thing and the evening out of teams, and many south africans disillusionment with that bid and cheeky watson? -- Hatgreg ( talk) 02:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Well if you looked at when bids were first called for, nowhere did SANZAR say that the team had to be from Australia, or even based in Aus. I remember a New Zealand union tried to bid as well, but were rejected by the NZRU. Many South Africans may have been against Cheeky Watson ( a whole other matter in my opinion), but the panel appointed by SANZAR stilled said that they felt the SOuthern Kings were a better rugby option, and would be able to be 'up and running' far more quickly and easily. Thet also said that they felt that having a South African team would reduce the TV rights that SANZAR would recieve. Crazydude22 ( talk) 10:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
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Schalk Burger, Jacque Fourie and Bryan Habanna have not signed for the Rebels, that's pure speculation. Removing now. Crazydude22 ( talk) 14:23, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
I can't find sources to confirm the signings of Johnston and Gasnier. Nothing on the official page and nothing but speculation on Google. Paul Roberton ( talk) 08:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I've found no internet sources for the recent additions to the page. I've tagged them and will wait 24hrs. If someone hasn't referenced them by this time tomorrow, I'll remove them. I'd suggest we only add players to the list as they're announced by reputable media outlets ( ie not blogs, I'd suggest). Paul Roberton ( talk) 05:05, 22 February 2010 (UTC) Upon realising the people named were either dead or not rugby players I deleted them lol... Paul Roberton ( talk) 06:19, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Keep an eye out on the media outlets in the new few days/week... Mortlock seems on the verge [3]... Paul Roberton ( talk) 06:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Although Cipriani played Flyhalf for the Wasp, Macqueen did say he wanted him at Fullback for the Rebels.
[Herald Sun http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/club-not-cash-lures-cipriani-to-rebels/story-e6frf9if-1225832383606] "Rebels coach Rod Macqueen has been in regular contact with Cipriani, who he has pencilled in as his fullback, since he was interviewed by assistant coach Damien Hill and recruiting consultant John Connolly in London last month." Paul Roberton ( talk) 13:01, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I'd say that's a fairly reliable and authoritative source! I knew he played 5/8 for the Wasps and saw the back-and-forth on this page previously. I'd say its pretty water tight now. (Need to move him up the other halves, so the list is still in order by field position) Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 07:44, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
I think we're over reaching a little.I've been having a look at some articles; Melbourne Storm, Western Force and Melbourne Heart. I think we can dial the history section back a bit, particularly the early (pre 1900) stuff. ( I might put it into the rugby union in Victoria article). The bid process can be culled a little bit, and we could/should make more reference to the attendances at test matches, world cup, comm games sevens etc. Thoughts? Paul Roberton ( talk) 09:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
This list has had all sorts of people adding names to it. In the early days, three people were added, were either dead or not even rugby players. Players were added to this list on pure speculation. Adam Freier was added because the Rebels were "talking" to him. The ARU didn't ratify his recruitment. Richard Kingi was added prematurely because the Rebels couldn't announce him because of the embargo. Michael Lipman was on that list also but the ARU rejected him because he refused a drug test. We need those footnotes to control the page, until the Rebels, or some reliable media publishes the playing list in full. Thanks. Paul ( Paul Roberton ( talk)) 03:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
"taken from The Melbourne Rebels [ http://www.melbournerebels.com.au/player-profile.aspx official website ] as at XX/YY/2010" ? Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 06:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
From News24:
Johannesburg - Former Wallaby coach Eddie Jones on Thursday said an extra Australian team should not have been added to the Super rugby competition. The Melbourne Rebels are the new franchise named to play in the inaugural Super 15 next year, Sanzar (South Africa New Zealand Australia Rugby) having decided to expand the current Super 14 tournament. But Jones, who coached the Brumbies to the 2001 Super 12 title and also coached the Reds in the Super 14, said the Rebels should not have been included.
"The reason they're in is because of TV rights. The current 14-team competition is just starting to find its feet and this year is the most competitive it's been for a while, with eight or nine teams in contention. The addition of another Australian franchise is not good for Australian rugby nor for the competition," Jones told Reuters in Johannesburg on Thursday.
The man who steered the Wallabies to the 2003 World Cup final said the current four Australian franchises were trying to eke out quality players as it is.
"Another Australian side is just going to weaken the third and fourth teams. If you consider South Africa, they have a great number of players but can still only support four very good Super 14 sides. It's unrealistic for Australia to have five teams and it will be bad for Wallaby rugby in the short-term, for the next 10 to 15 years," Jones said.
The Melbourne Rebels have been allowed an exemption to sign 10 overseas players and have announced Waratahs hooker and former Wallaby Adam Freier, former national captain Stirling Mortlock and England flyhalf Danny Cipriani as their first acquisitions.
But Jones said he believed the Rebels would struggle due to a lack of top-class players. "They haven't exactly signed a whole lot of quality players. There are only two areas in Australia that produce rugby union players - New South Wales and Queensland - and if you are a youngster from there and you have a choice between Melbourne or Perth to live in, it's a no-brainer where you'll go.
"So the Force are the side that will really be affected and they're weak enough as it is. They spent huge amounts of money on players like Matt Giteau and Nathan Sharpe, and now what?" Jones said.
The Force are currently 13th in the Super 14 standings, having won just one of their seven matches. Jones did, however, have praise for the new law interpretations being used in the Super 14, which he said have reduced the amount of kicking that caused so much ire last season.
"It's the best thing to happen to rugby. Last year we had 65 to 70 kicks per game and now it is down to 50 so there is a much greater balance between attack and defence. The quality of the rugby is much better." Jones is in South Africa as a coach for the Winning Ways program set up by Jake White, whom he assisted when the Springboks won the World Cup in 2007.
White said he also favoured the new law interpretations, but was quick to point out that a territorial kicking game will still be vital and that it remained a cardinal sin to try and run the ball from your own 22m area. "The changes have been fantastic and they've allowed more attacking spark. But you still need field position - 74% of tries have been scored from the first three phases, so there is still an emphasis on territory and a kicking game is still important," White told Reuters. "It's still no use keeping your own ball through 10 phases and not getting away from your own territory."
White said he did not believe rugby needed to go as far as increasing the number of points for a try in order to encourage attacking play.
"Maybe you should only get a bonus point if you score four tries more than your opposition though, because that would keep the intensity through 80 minutes," White said. [5]
Now I think that a comment like this, from someone of Jones' rugby standing should be included. Crazydude22 ( talk) 12:27, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I do believe this is probably the most pertinent. Stick it in a quote under the "franchise" section. Good for maintaining NPOV.
Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 14:02, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
perhaps you should add that noone in australia takes jones seriously and thinks he has a few bones to pick with the ARU administration since being sacked by them for not being a very good coach and not being very good to work with. -- Hatgreg ( talk) 07:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
The Laurie Weeks link you just reinstated links to a female fiction author. The Luke Jones link is to the article about a soccer defender. I'm removing the links. comes.amanuensis 12:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Comes.amanuensis ( talk • contribs)
The Melbourne Rebels official website have removed the ARC logo from their homepage, making the ARC logo displayed here now redundant. If there are no objections in the next 12 hours, I'll take it down. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 01:28, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I've got a contact with the media unit at the Melbourne Rebels, and have emailed her about uploading the new logo as it appears on the website. I've also put out a call for free-use images of the playing strip Luke Jones wore at the Weary Dunlop lunch. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 01:24, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
This article is now 61kb long (and almost ready for a split I should think) and yet the Rebels haven't played a game. Probably time for a tidy up and a cull. Squad to start training October 1. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 22:42, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
wcrosbie, I think the first 2 pars of the history could could into the 'rugby union in Victoria' article. That third par could go into "previous bids". Dump the restructure of SANZAR, I don't think we need it. Do you think we need the attendance figures? I'm not sure. Take the club rugby out of the franchise area. Split the franchise area section into Franchise and Reception (Jones v Macqueen). I don't think we need the list of past Victorian players (Weary Dunlop etc), that could go on the 'rugby in victoria page'. Keep the stuff about the player embargo, and Macqueen's philosophy on culture building, Cipriani as the first signing; dump the rest(ie player announcements), write a paragraph on the foreign players, and the rugby league converts, and then lead into the squad list. As soon as the squad is finalised, reference the Rebels Official website and remove all the player signing footnotes; that should thin out the footnotes at the bottom which is insufferably long. Need to get back to work, but if you want to perhaps create a list of things to do and add your own thoughts we can get started. Cheers, Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 03:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Troy Thomson was Storm's High Performance Manager.
[1] What is his Rebels' role?
--wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 21:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
High Performance Manager [9] Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 22:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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Australian spelling (i.e. licence not license) is preferred, isn't it?
Changed to licence today. wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 02:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
There's are conflicting roles for Ben Darwin. Is he:
1. Scrum coach/Video Analyst -
Ben Darwin
[1]
or later,
2. Video Analyst Ben Darwin.
Which is more accurate?
wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 02:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
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Yes Saffy was born in South Africa, but the flag icon isn't supposed to represent that. The flag icon represents the country the player is currently eligible to represent. That said, his eligibility isn't cut and dried either. The Jarrod Saffy article currently indicates he's eligible to represent Australia, South Africa and Lebanon. He's represented Australia at school boy level, Colts (U/21) and Sevens in Rugby Union. Given that we can't put three flag icons in the template, let's leave the flag icon as Australian until he plays in a senior international side. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 09:14, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I couldn't be bothered sifting through the history to find the culprit, but someone had changed Saffy's flag icon back to RSA. See above. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 14:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I created a new 2011 season section. I added it at the bottom of the article, but in hindsight, perhaps is should be a subsection of History? wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 03:15, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
The following players' articles have the template "Melbourns Rebels squad". Should this be "Melbourne Rebels squad"? wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 10:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
I've lacked significant motivation to make sure each of the players wiki articles now reflect the Rebels are their current club. How about we divide the playing list and get started on that? I'm particularly interested in making sure that info boxes on those articles are up to date. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 03:38, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Inaugural squad section be divided into two parts? At least in terms of a separate "recruitment" table to avoid confusion with the squad.
I would love to see a better squad template set in use for all Super Rugby teams, much like the
rls template used for rugby league or those used for basketball teams.
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With the preseason matches about to start, we'll have an excellent opportunity to get photos of the team and players in uniform. If anyone has an SLR camera, digital or otherwise, could you get down to a Olympic Park or Morwell? Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 01:52, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I did bring this up before, but now I have a source. For rugby the stadium will have a capacity of 29,500, source: Herald Sun Crazydude22 ( talk) 14:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
The Rebels have already had activity on player movement. Don't want to crystal ball but the following are the definites and the "may bes" we can stay on top of.
OUTS:
IN:
On trial http://www.melbournerebels.com.au/News/ArticleDetails/tabid/270/ArticleID/4018/Default.aspx
Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 04:51, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Just posted the 2012 squad up. Will tweak and invite tweaks. Also, new squad template now available at template:Melbourn Rebels squad 2012 Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 04:46, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
James O'Connor has been listed on the club website as a centre. Granted, anyone not living under a rock would know he's a candidate to play Fly half, but to place it on the wikipedia page flies in the face of information provided by the Rebels. Secondly, any prediction of a move into the halves is crystal balling. O'Connor's Rebels profile can be seen on the official website here: http://www.melbournerebels.com.au/Team/Player/tabid/297/playerid/36/Default.aspx Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 10:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
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The Rebels have 5 players in their extended playing squad: Luke Holmes, Nic Stirzaker, Cadeyrn Neville, Isiah Mosese, and Eddie Aholelei. Should we put them in the squad list here, or can someone think of a suitable place to list them? Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 00:33, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Is it time for a new Rebel Army page, a la Barmy Army? Why? Because, as discussed, the page is overly long. And because the citations need work. And because those who care about the Army could edit the page, reducing edits here. wcrosbie ( talk), Melbourne, Australia 00:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Freier, Mortlock, Lipman have retried. Blake hasn't played a game in how long? Gerrard and Huxley have left, as has Adam Byrnes (Russa, apparently). How about we start with the 30 man squad Robbie Deans names a few weeks ago? Add Delve, fair enough, he played for Wales against the Brumbies I THINK. Mitch Inman made the initial squad but hasn't gone any further but its being generous. I'll propose the following and make the changes accordingly.
Kurtley Beale Gareth Delve Mitch Inman James O'Connor Nick Phipps Cooper Vuna
Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 08:49, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I have done google search: "Damon Edmonds" AND "Melbourne Rebels". All I get is his linkedIN profile. There is no reference to him on the Melbourne Rebels website. There has been no media release (I am on their media distribution list), no announcement. There is no credible reference in any kind of reliable media that Damon Edmunds is associated with the Melbourne Rebels. I am reverting the article. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 02:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
This is becoming a bit problematic. I can at the very least say that Delve has far fewer games than Phipps now. Since playing v Sharks he has missed games against the Cheetahs, Force and the Kings. Phipps will surely be the lone "most caps". How best to reference this? Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 08:49, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I'll begin this section by saying the section on internationally capped players is perfectly encyclopaedic on the grounds it shows the quality of player that the Rebels are able to sign. The notability of Gareth Delve and Danny Cipriani within the rugby community drew some attention to the Rebels in their early days, and it is right that the list reflects those players. It also demonstrates what contribution the Rebels make to both Australian rugby and rugby communities overseas. For example, Eddie Aholelei has been released to for representative duties in the Pacific Nations cup. The recruitment of Shota Horie is indicative of the standard of rugby players now being developed in Japan. Furthermore, such a section is comparable to the "notable player" section in other rugby teams such as the Queensland Reds page. Only one player for the Rebels has played 100 games- that is Nic Henderson but he did not play 100 games for the Rebels. Instead of "notable players" I would suggest that "current international players" serves a purpose to highlight those players who have risen to the next level in rugby- representing their country. Until someone can explain to me how such a section is unnecessary, I move that the section be kept. Comes.amanuensis ( talk) 09:51, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
I have reorganised the article into a similar format to Crusaders (rugby union) which is a Featured Article. A lot of areas of the article didn't comply with the manual of style WP:MOS - including the section headings (using "&", and inappropriate use of capitals). As well, there were many redundant sections (Honours?). I've left the internationally capped players section, mainly because a delisted well defined notable players section doesn't exist. These changes should be non-controversial. Maybe discuss here before making any more significant changes. - Shudde talk 10:11, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
"The club is run by a board..." It's time for an update. wcrosbie ( talk), Melbourne, Australia 01:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps Nathan Grey will join the Waratahs coaching team in 2014 to oversee the "defensive performance and contact skills of the squad"? Do you know a reliable source? wcrosbie ( talk), Melbourne, Australia 03:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
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