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Melb is now the latest city in Australia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-65261720.amp
This fact - needs to be reflect in both the Sydney , Melbourne, and Australia wiki pages.
I updated the Sydney and Melbourne page, with references and someone changed it back (factually incorrect) and locked the page.
what are your thoughts on this? Aussie1978 ( talk) 22:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
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I wish to edit the number of rainy days over 1mm for Melbourne as using over 0.2mm data is incorrect and out of date. Paddy234 ( talk) 15:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
m²== Image for Culture section ==
@ HappyWaldo and @ Ashton 29, I think it would be much better if you discussed which image should go in the culture section here, rather than editing back and forth. GraziePrego ( talk) 06:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello all
I have updated the official ABS population estimates for Melbourne in the infobox. The ABS release is here. Aemilius Adolphin ( talk) 12:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello all
I have added the Australian English pronunciation. See WP:DIAPHONEMIC " "Local pronunciations are of particular interest in the case of place names. If there are both local and national or international standards, it may be beneficial to list both. "
Happy to discuss Aemilius Adolphin ( talk) 23:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
The current pronunciation part is quite confusing. It starts with "mɛlbərn" with an audio file of an Australian speaker pronouncing it in the local "Melbn" way, a second pronunciation "MEL-bərn" with a note that "/ˈmɛlbɔːrn/ MEL-born is also accepted within British Received Pronunciation and General American English. In Australian English, ⟨our⟩ in the second syllable always stands for the reduced /ər/ as in "labour"" and then a third "local" pronunciation: "mælbən". It's not clear at all what the distinction between the three/four listed pronunciations are. The Wiktionary entry doesn't seem to be tripping over itself in the same way and might be a helpful reference. Cjhard ( talk) 03:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
A regular event with this article (and others that mention its population) is editors updating it with a claim that Melbourne is the most populous city in Australia. This is unsurprising, because bits of media from all over the world are making the claim. The most recent change used a quite reputable source. It's also obviously highly debatable, based on the obvious issue of which figure is the one we use. These frequent changes aren't going to stop, unless we take a new approach.
I suggest a new perspective. What's unusual about Australia is not that one of it's two biggest cities has slightly more people than the other, but that its two biggest cities are almost the same size, and will be for at least the next twenty years. Why not make that the population comment in articles that mention anything like this, rather than emphasising that one is bigger. That emphasis is wrong. This proposal will deliver stability for the next several years. HiLo48 ( talk) 00:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
I fully agree with HiLo48. Bduke ( talk) 01:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
I agree with Aemilius. In Australia we pretty much always use the "Greater [city]" statistic to quote the population of our cities, *not* the "significant urban area" statistic. In fact, I believe most people were completely unaware that such a statistic even existed until all the headlines came out screaming loudly - and wrongly - that Melbourne is more populous than Sydney because they merged Melton into the SUA. The facts are: Greater Sydney is more populous than Greater Melbourne, but since 2023, Melbourne's SUA is more populous than Sydney's SUA. Because we use the "Greater [city]" population statistic and always have, Sydney is still the more populous city. Melbourne is number two - it's as simple as that. Граймс ( talk) 10:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Independently of the approach taken to how the population issue is discussed in the article prose, has there been a discussion establishing consensus to use GCCSA over SUA in Australian city articles, or is it simply a case of consensus by status quo? The fact that a large number of RS are using the SUA figures to say something should at the very least give us pause. If this dispute is ongoing and widespread on Australian city articles perhaps an RfC would be useful. Triptothecottage ( talk) 23:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Melb is now the latest city in Australia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-65261720.amp
This fact - needs to be reflect in both the Sydney , Melbourne, and Australia wiki pages.
I updated the Sydney and Melbourne page, with references and someone changed it back (factually incorrect) and locked the page.
what are your thoughts on this? Aussie1978 ( talk) 22:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
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I wish to edit the number of rainy days over 1mm for Melbourne as using over 0.2mm data is incorrect and out of date. Paddy234 ( talk) 15:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
m²== Image for Culture section ==
@ HappyWaldo and @ Ashton 29, I think it would be much better if you discussed which image should go in the culture section here, rather than editing back and forth. GraziePrego ( talk) 06:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello all
I have updated the official ABS population estimates for Melbourne in the infobox. The ABS release is here. Aemilius Adolphin ( talk) 12:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello all
I have added the Australian English pronunciation. See WP:DIAPHONEMIC " "Local pronunciations are of particular interest in the case of place names. If there are both local and national or international standards, it may be beneficial to list both. "
Happy to discuss Aemilius Adolphin ( talk) 23:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
The current pronunciation part is quite confusing. It starts with "mɛlbərn" with an audio file of an Australian speaker pronouncing it in the local "Melbn" way, a second pronunciation "MEL-bərn" with a note that "/ˈmɛlbɔːrn/ MEL-born is also accepted within British Received Pronunciation and General American English. In Australian English, ⟨our⟩ in the second syllable always stands for the reduced /ər/ as in "labour"" and then a third "local" pronunciation: "mælbən". It's not clear at all what the distinction between the three/four listed pronunciations are. The Wiktionary entry doesn't seem to be tripping over itself in the same way and might be a helpful reference. Cjhard ( talk) 03:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
A regular event with this article (and others that mention its population) is editors updating it with a claim that Melbourne is the most populous city in Australia. This is unsurprising, because bits of media from all over the world are making the claim. The most recent change used a quite reputable source. It's also obviously highly debatable, based on the obvious issue of which figure is the one we use. These frequent changes aren't going to stop, unless we take a new approach.
I suggest a new perspective. What's unusual about Australia is not that one of it's two biggest cities has slightly more people than the other, but that its two biggest cities are almost the same size, and will be for at least the next twenty years. Why not make that the population comment in articles that mention anything like this, rather than emphasising that one is bigger. That emphasis is wrong. This proposal will deliver stability for the next several years. HiLo48 ( talk) 00:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
I fully agree with HiLo48. Bduke ( talk) 01:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
I agree with Aemilius. In Australia we pretty much always use the "Greater [city]" statistic to quote the population of our cities, *not* the "significant urban area" statistic. In fact, I believe most people were completely unaware that such a statistic even existed until all the headlines came out screaming loudly - and wrongly - that Melbourne is more populous than Sydney because they merged Melton into the SUA. The facts are: Greater Sydney is more populous than Greater Melbourne, but since 2023, Melbourne's SUA is more populous than Sydney's SUA. Because we use the "Greater [city]" population statistic and always have, Sydney is still the more populous city. Melbourne is number two - it's as simple as that. Граймс ( talk) 10:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Independently of the approach taken to how the population issue is discussed in the article prose, has there been a discussion establishing consensus to use GCCSA over SUA in Australian city articles, or is it simply a case of consensus by status quo? The fact that a large number of RS are using the SUA figures to say something should at the very least give us pause. If this dispute is ongoing and widespread on Australian city articles perhaps an RfC would be useful. Triptothecottage ( talk) 23:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)