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Any cleanup tags need to be placed by section. Flagging the whole article does not help editors focus work where needed. -- Lexein ( talk) 11:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, you're wrong. ( 92.5.16.189 ( talk) 15:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC))
The article should mention the third racist and misogynistic rant by Gibson since it was publicly released today. ( 92.5.16.189 ( talk) 16:10, 14 July 2010 (UTC))
have you listened to all the recordings? they will make you sick to your stomach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.36.221 ( talk) 02:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Are the just released tapes of Mel Gibson telling his girlfriend she deserved it when he hit her and making death threats against her a valid source for this wiki page? SlamBurger ( talk) 18:08, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
I was just throwing out ideas and had no intentions of rolling back the article without a consensus. Jack's comment was due to something in our history which I think we got sorted on my talk page. I agree that too many edits have occurred now that it would be too difficult to add all the good edits back to the article. So we can now ignore this idea. Sorry for the confusion that this caused, -- CrohnieGal Talk 22:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
has it been suggested yet to combine all of those allegations into a single section called "controversies" and trim them all up a bit, provide more summary and less commentary? not suggesting overlook his lunatic antics, but it might flow better with fewer "alleged" headings. Just my unsolicited $.02. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.36.221 ( talk) 05:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
One paragraph says he divorced his wife, the next one mentions his former girlfriend )Oksana Grigorieva). We should probably fill in the blanks somewhere in the middle of those two paragraphs. And wasn't he dating her while he was still married and all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.208.30 ( talk) 14:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
tbe Oksana Grigorieva article does a nice job of summarizing her history and relationship with Mel, including the despicable aspects. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.208.30 ( talk) 14:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
the source given does not in ANY way support the claim that is being made. that sentences about him having dual citizenship because of his mother's ancestry should be removed altogether. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.208.30 ( talk) 15:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
This article uses way too much of the word "alleged". Per WP:WTA, these phrase usages should be reworded, to more specifically address the subject matter. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
There are lots of unsourced claims and assertions in this article - this should either be properly cited, or removed. These include a completely unsourced direct quote from the subject of the article. The sourcing is substandard and needs lots of work. Tagged as such. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
This entire subsection has zero references whatsoever. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
This subsection contains no sources at all. It also contains an unreferenced purported direct quotation from the subject. This should be sourced, or removed. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
This section of the article is also completely devoid of references. In particular, claims such as "Gibson further established his reputation as a director" and purported facts about the film's languages spoken and who spoke them, should be sourced, or removed. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Completely unreferenced facts and figures in subsection, The Passion of the Christ, that should be removed, or properly cited. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
This subsection contains no sources at all. In particular, the claim, "This series would come to exemplify the subgenre of the buddy film.", should be cited to whatever source is making this claim (the Wikipedia who wrote it, perhaps???) or removed. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:59, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
"The critically-acclaimed film helped to further launch Gibson's career." - who says this film was "critically-acclaimed"? Who says it "helped to further launch Gibson's career"? A film critic? A book? A random Wikipedian that wrote this? This should be cited, or removed. -- Cirt ( talk) 03:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
This section contains no sources at all. In particular, the claim, "During the 1990s, Gibson used his boxoffice power to alternate between commercial and personal projects.", needs to be cited, or removed. How did he do this? What does "boxoffice power" mean? Who is making this claim? When? -- Cirt ( talk) 03:01, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
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I take issue with Wikepedia's opening statement - that Mel Gibson is an "American". I am Australian and have worked in the Australian film industry for over 30 years. I worked with Mel Gibson on 2 Australian films, "Gallipoli" in 1980 and "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome" in 1985, and I can tell you that Mel considers himself to be an Australian. In fact, the Britannica Encyclopedia begins its bio on Mel as follows: "American-born Australian actor, who became an international star with a series of action-adventure films in the 1980s and later earned acclaim as a director and producer." His formative and developmental background is Australian, and his cultural and professional soul is TRULY Australian. John Lennon lived in America too after he'd made his name as a Beatle. Was he considered American too?
Incidentally, and this has nothing to do with editing <material that has nothing to do with editing was removed> Jonojoe ( talk) 00:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
OP, In short, this is wikipedia and not hollywood. We cannot pretend here, regardless of how it might add to one's mystique or perceived "coolness". If I am an american citizen and I move to mexico, for 20 years even, learn to speak spanish and take a siesta each day, that does not make me a mexican citizen. citizenship has to do with birthplace and legalities. A press release is not proof of citizenship. so while mel gibson might enjoy pretending he's australian, until he legally relinquishes his united states citizenship, he's a yank. comprende? even if he wins an oscar for portraying an australian, he is still an american citizen. no kidding. I'm serious. crazy isn't it? that's how it works in the real world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.36.221 ( talk) 05:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I appreciate your personal responses, but please understand that I'm not out to buck the system nor question the status quo in "Wikipedialand". Yes, I'm a novice - that's obvious. It's just good to see that some people out there understand that the ethereal world of web correspondence involves real people. Do your best.
Feel free to work on citing to WP:RS sources, here on the talk page, and then add back to the article if/when properly cited. Cheers, -- Cirt ( talk) 02:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I attempted to add a NPOV mention of Gibson's personal battles, which was quickly reverted by Yworo for lack of citation. "Gibson's personal life has been marred by accusations of homophobia, anti-semitism, and domestic violence -- he has previously attributed these problems to his battle with Alcoholism" I believe that sentence to be more than evidenced by the content in the "personal life" section, and find it odd (and slanted) that there is no mention of this aspect in the summary area. Yworo, which parts of my sentence do you feel need citation? My goal is to include an important aspect of Gibson in the summary area in the most Neutral way possible, please let me know what you feel is necessary to achieve that. Chrismurf ( talk) 16:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm completely fine with it being "designed by committee" for NPOV, but some mention of these (pervasive, ongoing) accusations should be made in the summary. Chrismurf ( talk) 16:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
You mean they have not even divorced yet? This should be clarified in the article, it *appears" that Mel is still married to this day (even though they filed for divorce). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.208.30 ( talk) 21:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
There are now a lot of reliable sources stating that the released tapes may have been altered. The tapes have been turned over to the sherrif's department handling the allegations of abuse who say they are going to get them evaluated to see if they have been tampered with or not. This is just one of many sources talking about this. The attorney's for Gibson are also getting the tapes evaluated to see if they are authentic. Maybe the allegation stuff is too crystal ball like entries. So my thought is that maybe we should wait to have entries about these tapes in the article until reliable sources come through about all of this. Thoughts? -- CrohnieGal Talk 13:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the person who somehow managed to bug Gibson's house (thus recording is domesitc life)? GoodDay ( talk) 14:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
It would be difficult to accurately characterize this discussion, and the edits it inspired, while avoiding a violation of WP:NPA. I'll just say the "reasoning" here is patently ludicrous. A passing mention in a Reuters article of a few unnamed "reports" that the tapes might have been altered does not mean this issues is suddenly no longer notable. The removal of it on that basis is shockingly irresponsible, and utterly contrary to WP policy, incuding BLP and NPOV, as well as common sense. Shocking, shameful stuff here: let's please not have a repeat. IronDuke 00:52, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Under: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_gibson#Family
"to prevent her speaking publicly about the case" is not expressed in the cited article.
Cited article: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/06/25/mel-gibson-files-restraining-order-baby-mama-oksana-grigorieva/
The article says the conditions of the restraining order are legally classified, and I don't see anywhere that says it has anything to do with her speaking publicly about the case. It doesn't specify any of this anywhere in the article.
It is possible that the person who wrote this entry invented this element himself/herself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.163.69.12 ( talk) 07:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
That section still skips all over the place with little or no detail linking events. Out of the blue it mentions a "former girlfriend" Well when did she become his girlfriend in the first place? was this an old high school sweetheart that he drug his feet breaking up with her, like 40 years later, or was she a more recent girlfriend? Very sketchy time line and many other details are presented in a disjointed fashion. I realize everyone is a volunteer and trying their best, I'm just providing some feedback on that family section, not trying to say anyone is not doing a super job. but this section could use some TLC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.36.221 ( talk) 14:37, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
I am posting some reason references here for others to take a look at. [1], [2], [3]. Obviously some of this is just duplications. There are more if anyone cares to look. I just thought that the newer stories could help balance out some of the information that is in this article and of course her article. I am just trying to help gather some sources at this point. Hope these help, -- CrohnieGal Talk 13:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
It seems that certain individuals who have some need to control things beyond their ability or expertise do not understand how prescient and important that these and other sites are for entertainment news - not political news or other types of more substantive and meaningful news and information, but for their beat (celebrities and entertainment) they are as legitimate as a source as it gets. They have broken a number of entertainment stories that other, more mainline sites missed (Michael Jackson's death being a notable example), and yet using them as references more often than not gets the entire addition to an article reverted with orders to "get better sources". For this particular area, these are the legitimate, better sources. Please do not revert the work of others simply because you think you know better. Lately it seems that there is a fair amount of wiki stalking going on regarding reversion of the work of others that some people do not agree with. Consensus is what carries the day here, and any one individual's opinion regarding the veracity or legitimacy of anything someone else has posted (unless it is obvious to common sense) means that a consensus has too be reached before a revert is made, not after. Please do not simply dump someone else's work because you think you know better or have the "authority" to do so. It lessens wikipedia greatly to have these types of arguments going on within and about the site, and is arrogant, solipsitic and annoying as hell. Please follow the rules regarding both sources and editing - they apply to all of us, including you! Themoodyblue ( talk) 04:51, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Given the size of this article, does anyone object to splitting the filmography from this article into Mel Gibson filmography, as I have done in my sandbox? Chicken monkey 10:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I went ahead and did it. Chicken monkey 20:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I would like to have this added to the article but I'm not sure where to put it. I just came across this and feel that it should be added under the movie section of The Passion of the Christ but not being sure I figured it would be best to add it here for input. Thanks in advance, -- CrohnieGal Talk 15:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
It says he is an American. I always thought he was Australian. That needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.74.82 ( talk) 21:27, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning that his (ex?) wife is now under extortion investigation stemming from all this recent mess? http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2010-07-21-mel-gibson_N.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by JahnTeller07 ( talk • contribs) 00:47, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
"Gibson and his former wife are believed to have contributed a substantial amount of money to various charities, one of which is Healing the Children." So the entire few sections have "Gibson said this, said that, did this, did that," and when something good appears about this oddball of Hollywood, it's "are believed to have..." I could "be bold" and do it myself, but It's locked. Anyone mind chainging this to something that doesn't stick out like a sore thumb? Like, "Gibson and his former wife contributed a substantial amount of money to various charities, one of which is Healing the Children." 64.234.0.101 ( talk) 06:39, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Should The Bounty really be listed as one of his notable films when it is widely regarded as the worst of the three versions and Gibson's portrayal of Fletcher Christian was dismissed by critics as bland? ( 92.10.20.179 ( talk) 12:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC))
But it was a critical and commercial flop and by far the least interesting version. Both Gibson and Anthony Hopkins have said the film was terrible. ( 92.0.58.239 ( talk) 10:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC))
I think it certainly is disputable considering the film was a terrible box office flop and Gibson gave an awful performance. ( 92.0.58.239 ( talk) 12:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC))
Whether the film was horrible or the greatest thing since Being There is a moot point. Whether Gibson's performance makes Keanu Reeves look like a genius or was wonderful is a moot point. The question at hand is whether it is one of his most notable films. The current blurb here is tripe. As it currently reads, Gibson is added to the list of greats in the role, the film is the most historically acurrate, but Gibson wanted to bring out more of a character. Rather, the film seems to have received mixed reviews and has been largely forgotten, relative to the likes of Mad Max, Lethal Weapon, Braveheart and such. I don't see a strong reason for including this. Gallipoli? Yes. The Bounty? Debatable. Apocalypto? No (recentism, even with its "further critical acclaim"...). - SummerPhD ( talk) 13:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
It wasn't a big role because the film was terrible just like his performance. The 1935 version will always be the best. ( 92.0.58.239 ( talk) 14:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC))
{{edit semi-protected}} Mel is an avid student of European history. His father teaches a non-accredited class in Holocaust Studies. Mel's foundation has added the following to it's list of Financuial recpients; NOW, Anti-defamation League , NAACP, Hitler regalia fan club, White First Hooded Society of America.
75.25.28.114 ( talk) 07:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
You don't say where you want this or what the source is. The source is the major thing needed. If you do not have a source, this may not be added but if you do, I'd be happy to add. Thanks, -- CrohnieGal Talk 09:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Mel Gibson has never said anything misogynistic, he never stated hatred for ALL women, he clearly just made fun of his ex (one particular woman). -- Nasturtiums ( talk) 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
He has made numerous misogynistic references to various females over the years, such as in his infamous interview with Playboy magazine. ( 92.11.180.57 ( talk) 18:32, 26 December 2010 (UTC))
The introduction should mention the fact he has been accused of racism due to his remarks. ( 92.11.180.57 ( talk) 15:42, 26 December 2010 (UTC))
Racism, anti-semitism, misogny and homophobia would be the correct order. ( 92.11.180.57 ( talk) 18:31, 26 December 2010 (UTC))
I see a fotograph of when he was young, the picture was taken at 1990. Everyone gets old, so why not include more images of the aging process??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.208.67.111 ( talk) 11:26, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining, it is due to licensing of the photograph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.171.15.183 ( talk) 13:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
i don't know how to do this! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.52.68 ( talk) 09:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Can probably be left blank or deleted for the forseeable future. 89.100.15.204 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC).
Where is the evidence that Gibson is a Sedevacantist. This is not the same as being a traditionalist Catholic. Sedevacantists do not recognize the current Pope. Most traditionalist Catholics have great respect for the authority of the Pope. Unless there is a citation showing Gibson is a Sedevacantist this section should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.128.43 ( talk) 22:44, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
It's in the box on the right under his religion.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.128.43 ( talk • contribs) 23:54, 14 May 2011
I was only vaguely aware of Sedevacantism, before now, but a Google news archive search of "Mel Gibson Sedevacantist" returned a handful of articles.
Whether these are reliable enough to describe Gibson as a "Sedevacantist", I don't know. Chicken monkey 04:30, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
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The following line(s) seem unnecessary and inappropriate:
Regardless of personal opinion of a public figure, the "Sexist Pig Award" does not really belong on a list of award or accomplishments as it is neither positive nor does it belong on a list of accolades. The sections regarding Gibsons personal troubles speak well enough on the facts and issues without the addition of personal opinion such as this.
Hiroshihai ( talk) 07:04, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Can someone make this date format consistent with others? "On July 8, 2010, Gibson was alleged to have made an ethnic slur against Latinos..." Should be 8 July 2010. 74.231.46.68 ( talk) 15:26, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I referenced the case # in the article that I got here which is not a wonderful source. -- Javaweb ( talk) 23:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)Javaweb
The "Spouse" portion of the box under Mr. Gibson's picture says "Robyn Moore Gibson (m. 1980–present)," but under the "Family" section of the article it says that he split with his wife in 2009. Can someone please verify his current relationship status (if anybody actually cares)." Lee ( talk) 01:54, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected}} According to Deadline.com Mel Gibson is working on a new film about Jewish hero Judah Maccabee Mel Gibson And Joe Eszterhas To Collaborate On Film Telling Jewish Hero Judah Maccabee Story For Warner Bros. It is a currently untitled drama that teams Gibson and screenwriter Joe Eszterhas. Mel Gibson Making Judah Maccabee Film With Warner Bros.
Sordini2 ( talk) 07:35, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
The first quote about Gibson being described as "ultraconservative" is not backed up by the source. It may be entirely made up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.167.136.2 ( talk) 00:20, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Mel Gibson was born in upstate New York and moved to Australia as a child. At no time has he ever had Australian citizenship. Previous versions of this page have listed him as "Australian-American," which is inaccurate as it connotes immigration from Australia. He simply resumed living in the United States as an adult, so he should be referenced as "American" and not "Australian-American." [2] Johnnyvaillan ( talk) 18:34, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Gibson's nationality has been a very popular topic of discussion on this talk page. Although the basic facts of his life don't seem disputed, there is disagreement about whether he is "Australian-American", "Irish-American", "Australian", or whatever. The article already talks about his birthplace, his family heritage, where he grew up, his citizenship, and so on. Therefore, I see little value in giving a potentially misleading one- or two-word summary. For now I've removed the (contradictory) claims of his nationality from the lead and infobox. I would suggest leaving them omitted unless we get either (1) a consensus with a sound basis in Wikipedia policy or guidelines or (2) agreement among reliable sources. Adrian J. Hunter( talk• contribs) 13:02, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Wow! Seems like Wikipedia really has it in for Mel! It's like everything little negative thing you could find about him, you put on his Wiki page. I mean stupid little stuff!!! Who hasn't made said something dumb before? Really? We don't care. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.10.95 ( talk) 03:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Winona Ryder, talking about Mel Gibson::
I remember, like, fifteen years ago, I was at one of those big Hollywood parties. And he was really drunk. I was with my friend, who's gay. He made a really horrible gay joke. And somehow it came up that I was Jewish. He said something about 'oven dodgers,' but I didn't get it. I'd never heard that before. It was just this weird, weird moment. I was like, 'He's anti-Semitic and he's homophobic.' No one believed me!
— Winona Ryder, Alex Pappademas (January 2011). "Winona Forever". GQ.
So, not every "dumb" thing he has said is in the article. I don't know that dumb is an accurate way to describe him and the word "dumb" does not appear in the article. -- Javaweb ( talk) 16:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)Javaweb
What's with the Irish thing? Australian...also his ancestry is Scottish/Irish, he is a member of Clan Bunchannan (# ^ Derek Lambie, ‘Sporran Legion’, The Express on Sunday (30 May 2004), p. 49.) I think its miss leading putting Irish, Australian-American would be a better suit...
Isn't Mel Gibson Irish American? He has an Irish mother, & an American father and just happened to live in Australia...
The text says he holds both Irish and US citizenship, but the info box claims his nationality is Australian/US. Which is it?
How is he Irish-American if he's born in New York? American of Irish ancestry/descent perhaps, but not Irish-American. 66.9.167.110 ( talk) 17:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC) jAN 20, 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.9.167.110 ( talk) 17:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC) 89.126.56.62 ( talk) 14:53, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Saying he's Irish American is stupid, everyone knows he's an Australian-American —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.83.164 ( talk) 15:47, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
He is not "Australian-American', his father Hutton's mother Eva Mylott was Australian which allowed Hutton to immigrate to Australia at one point. Mel was born in the US and never an Australian citizen.( 24.62.224.219 ( talk) 08:54, 8 March 2011 (UTC))
Why Irish-American he was born in the U.S and he lives there! -- Pioelad ( talk) 22:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Should be changed it's quite silly actually, he has ever been identified as an Irish American. It should either say 'Australian-American' or simply just 'American' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.248.67 ( talk) 15:42, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Why would it say 'Australian-American' just because he lived in Australia for a number of years and was never a citizen (!??) That makes Zero sense! Living someplace does not make you a citizen, so what are you basing the Australian thing on? He was not born there, he was never a citizen, and only his grandmother was Australian! He did not qualify for citizenship by birth (though his father did!) and has always been a US citizen! The term 'Australian' does not even fit here in the slightest despite idiotic pronouncements such as "everyone knows he's an Australian-American". Wikipedia is predicated on facts. People thinking he should be called Australian with no real reason behind it is what's "stupid". ( 24.62.224.219 ( talk) 08:54, 8 March 2011 (UTC))
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Mel Gibson is not ROMAN Catholic. He is in communion with a traditionalist Latin Rite independent catholic jurisdiction like the Society of St. Pius X or the Society of St. Pius V. His jurisdiction is not in union with the Roman Catholic Church.
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Nationality in first praragph is Australian-American Nationality, not Irish-America. Noticed this had been changed to "Irish-American" from "Australian-American" after last visit.
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ADDITION needed in 2nd Paragraph?: "...IN 1979, after Mad Max, Gibson also played a mentally slow youth in the film "Tim," A FILM WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY MICHAEL PATE, BASED ON THE 1974 NOVEL BY COLLEEN MCCULLOUGH, AND FOR WHICH GIBSON RECEIVED THE AUSTRALIAN FILM INSTITUTE AWARD FOR BEST ACTOR. I found this information on your page for "Tim." 76.244.162.2 ( talk) 03:44, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
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Section AWARDS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS: shouldn't you add, "1979, Best Actor Award by the Australian Film Institute for the film, "Tim." I found this on your page for MEL GIBSON. Thank you. 76.244.162.2 ( talk) 04:02, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be mentioned that Gibson's anti-semitic tirade occured during the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah War? ( 92.7.25.234 ( talk) 20:43, 8 December 2011 (UTC))
The article does a poor job of recording the Jewish reaction to the movie. A typical reaction from William Safire (March 1, 2004). "Not Peace, but a Sword". New York Times.:
What are the dramatic purposes of this depiction of cruelty and pain? First, shock; the audience I sat in gasped at the first tearing of flesh. Next, pity at the sight of prolonged suffering. And finally, outrage: who was responsible for this cruel humiliation? What villain deserves to be punished?
Not Pontius Pilate, the Roman in charge; he and his kindly wife are sympathetic characters. Nor is King Herod shown to be at fault
The villains at whom the audience's outrage is directed are the actors playing bloodthirsty rabbis and their rabid Jewish followers. This is the essence of the medieval "passion play," preserved in pre-Hitler Germany at Oberammergau, a source of the hatred of all Jews as "Christ killers...
— William Safire
This article does not need a "Jewish reaction" to a film by Mel Gibson nor does it need a Hindu reaction to any of his films. This article already has a disproportionate amount of criticism (compared to other actors who have said racist/hateful things) and it needs condensed.
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does the sexist pig award need to be mentioned? I mean, it looks quite snarky stacked up against the academy awards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.202.18 ( talk) 09:12, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Should've kept it. It fits, he received it and now this looks like a puff piece for the guy. Typical wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.165.123 ( talk) 19:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Info on his filmography differs from other film sites so where did yours come from? It doesn't say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.165.123 ( talk) 19:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
These ones [5] [6] says "Columcille" while this one [7] says "Colmcille", neither says "Colm-Cille" but why not? The rest is as in the current intro. Rursus dixit. ( mbork3!) 18:55, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I've added sourcing for this and also point out that EB's
entry on him uses this wording. I think it is a nice compromise. He became notable as an Australian actor.
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I know you suggested it, that's why I said it:) Thought I was giving you credit. Good call on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnyvaillan ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Nowhere in the primary document does it mention cast or crew of Hangover 2 objecting to Mel's appearance in the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Legit edit ( talk • contribs) 08:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Hes irish american his father is Irish american and his mother was Irish there should be more info for this. — Preceding
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I can't help but notice that the category, "People with bipolar disorder", has been added to the article, except it isn't mentioned anywhere in the article. Are there some sources for this? Otherwise, it needs to be removed immediately. 69.165.140.210 ( talk) 06:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Why does everyone jump to hold the Bi Polar card when they happen to be complete wankers? I'm serious. Its descriminatory to insinuate that people with BP are prone to abusive or out of order behaviour. If your a celeb you can buy a diagnosis for milk tokens.
VinDibs ( talk) 00:22, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
We are told she was born in County Longford, Ireland, and then we are told The move to Hutton's mother's native Australia.... Which is it, anybody know? JohnClarknew ( talk) 06:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
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I am requesting to add an addition to Mel Gibson's page in Philanthropy under Personal Life. I wish to add "Gibson is also a supporter of 'Angels at Risk', a nonprofit organization highlighting prevention education for drug and alcohol use and abuse with teens and their families." Source: http://angelsatrisk.com/
I wish to add this because Mel Gibson and his previous wife were primary supporters and are still members of the "Angels at Risk Crew" Source: http://angelsatrisk.com/?page_id=894
Cameron Love ( talk) 05:53, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Yeah how about when he said he wanted to fuck his wife oksana up the ass while stabbing her to death? Why isn't that one in here? I do not see this section in other actors Wikipedia note (and please don't say other actors did not make controversial remarks)- one would have to have IQ of a peanut to include this section or author/authors of this section must be an alleged racist/racists. Wikipedia more and more is a garbage information - when even high school dropouts are ridiculing Wikipedia as the most unreliable and biased source of information on Internet - it is time to worry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.28.92 ( talk) 21:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
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Any cleanup tags need to be placed by section. Flagging the whole article does not help editors focus work where needed. -- Lexein ( talk) 11:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, you're wrong. ( 92.5.16.189 ( talk) 15:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC))
The article should mention the third racist and misogynistic rant by Gibson since it was publicly released today. ( 92.5.16.189 ( talk) 16:10, 14 July 2010 (UTC))
have you listened to all the recordings? they will make you sick to your stomach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.36.221 ( talk) 02:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Are the just released tapes of Mel Gibson telling his girlfriend she deserved it when he hit her and making death threats against her a valid source for this wiki page? SlamBurger ( talk) 18:08, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
I was just throwing out ideas and had no intentions of rolling back the article without a consensus. Jack's comment was due to something in our history which I think we got sorted on my talk page. I agree that too many edits have occurred now that it would be too difficult to add all the good edits back to the article. So we can now ignore this idea. Sorry for the confusion that this caused, -- CrohnieGal Talk 22:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
has it been suggested yet to combine all of those allegations into a single section called "controversies" and trim them all up a bit, provide more summary and less commentary? not suggesting overlook his lunatic antics, but it might flow better with fewer "alleged" headings. Just my unsolicited $.02. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.36.221 ( talk) 05:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
One paragraph says he divorced his wife, the next one mentions his former girlfriend )Oksana Grigorieva). We should probably fill in the blanks somewhere in the middle of those two paragraphs. And wasn't he dating her while he was still married and all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.208.30 ( talk) 14:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
tbe Oksana Grigorieva article does a nice job of summarizing her history and relationship with Mel, including the despicable aspects. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.208.30 ( talk) 14:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
the source given does not in ANY way support the claim that is being made. that sentences about him having dual citizenship because of his mother's ancestry should be removed altogether. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.208.30 ( talk) 15:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
This article uses way too much of the word "alleged". Per WP:WTA, these phrase usages should be reworded, to more specifically address the subject matter. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
There are lots of unsourced claims and assertions in this article - this should either be properly cited, or removed. These include a completely unsourced direct quote from the subject of the article. The sourcing is substandard and needs lots of work. Tagged as such. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
This entire subsection has zero references whatsoever. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
This subsection contains no sources at all. It also contains an unreferenced purported direct quotation from the subject. This should be sourced, or removed. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
This section of the article is also completely devoid of references. In particular, claims such as "Gibson further established his reputation as a director" and purported facts about the film's languages spoken and who spoke them, should be sourced, or removed. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Completely unreferenced facts and figures in subsection, The Passion of the Christ, that should be removed, or properly cited. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
This subsection contains no sources at all. In particular, the claim, "This series would come to exemplify the subgenre of the buddy film.", should be cited to whatever source is making this claim (the Wikipedia who wrote it, perhaps???) or removed. -- Cirt ( talk) 02:59, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
"The critically-acclaimed film helped to further launch Gibson's career." - who says this film was "critically-acclaimed"? Who says it "helped to further launch Gibson's career"? A film critic? A book? A random Wikipedian that wrote this? This should be cited, or removed. -- Cirt ( talk) 03:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
This section contains no sources at all. In particular, the claim, "During the 1990s, Gibson used his boxoffice power to alternate between commercial and personal projects.", needs to be cited, or removed. How did he do this? What does "boxoffice power" mean? Who is making this claim? When? -- Cirt ( talk) 03:01, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
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I take issue with Wikepedia's opening statement - that Mel Gibson is an "American". I am Australian and have worked in the Australian film industry for over 30 years. I worked with Mel Gibson on 2 Australian films, "Gallipoli" in 1980 and "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome" in 1985, and I can tell you that Mel considers himself to be an Australian. In fact, the Britannica Encyclopedia begins its bio on Mel as follows: "American-born Australian actor, who became an international star with a series of action-adventure films in the 1980s and later earned acclaim as a director and producer." His formative and developmental background is Australian, and his cultural and professional soul is TRULY Australian. John Lennon lived in America too after he'd made his name as a Beatle. Was he considered American too?
Incidentally, and this has nothing to do with editing <material that has nothing to do with editing was removed> Jonojoe ( talk) 00:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
OP, In short, this is wikipedia and not hollywood. We cannot pretend here, regardless of how it might add to one's mystique or perceived "coolness". If I am an american citizen and I move to mexico, for 20 years even, learn to speak spanish and take a siesta each day, that does not make me a mexican citizen. citizenship has to do with birthplace and legalities. A press release is not proof of citizenship. so while mel gibson might enjoy pretending he's australian, until he legally relinquishes his united states citizenship, he's a yank. comprende? even if he wins an oscar for portraying an australian, he is still an american citizen. no kidding. I'm serious. crazy isn't it? that's how it works in the real world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.36.221 ( talk) 05:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I appreciate your personal responses, but please understand that I'm not out to buck the system nor question the status quo in "Wikipedialand". Yes, I'm a novice - that's obvious. It's just good to see that some people out there understand that the ethereal world of web correspondence involves real people. Do your best.
Feel free to work on citing to WP:RS sources, here on the talk page, and then add back to the article if/when properly cited. Cheers, -- Cirt ( talk) 02:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I attempted to add a NPOV mention of Gibson's personal battles, which was quickly reverted by Yworo for lack of citation. "Gibson's personal life has been marred by accusations of homophobia, anti-semitism, and domestic violence -- he has previously attributed these problems to his battle with Alcoholism" I believe that sentence to be more than evidenced by the content in the "personal life" section, and find it odd (and slanted) that there is no mention of this aspect in the summary area. Yworo, which parts of my sentence do you feel need citation? My goal is to include an important aspect of Gibson in the summary area in the most Neutral way possible, please let me know what you feel is necessary to achieve that. Chrismurf ( talk) 16:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm completely fine with it being "designed by committee" for NPOV, but some mention of these (pervasive, ongoing) accusations should be made in the summary. Chrismurf ( talk) 16:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
You mean they have not even divorced yet? This should be clarified in the article, it *appears" that Mel is still married to this day (even though they filed for divorce). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.208.30 ( talk) 21:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
There are now a lot of reliable sources stating that the released tapes may have been altered. The tapes have been turned over to the sherrif's department handling the allegations of abuse who say they are going to get them evaluated to see if they have been tampered with or not. This is just one of many sources talking about this. The attorney's for Gibson are also getting the tapes evaluated to see if they are authentic. Maybe the allegation stuff is too crystal ball like entries. So my thought is that maybe we should wait to have entries about these tapes in the article until reliable sources come through about all of this. Thoughts? -- CrohnieGal Talk 13:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the person who somehow managed to bug Gibson's house (thus recording is domesitc life)? GoodDay ( talk) 14:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
It would be difficult to accurately characterize this discussion, and the edits it inspired, while avoiding a violation of WP:NPA. I'll just say the "reasoning" here is patently ludicrous. A passing mention in a Reuters article of a few unnamed "reports" that the tapes might have been altered does not mean this issues is suddenly no longer notable. The removal of it on that basis is shockingly irresponsible, and utterly contrary to WP policy, incuding BLP and NPOV, as well as common sense. Shocking, shameful stuff here: let's please not have a repeat. IronDuke 00:52, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Under: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_gibson#Family
"to prevent her speaking publicly about the case" is not expressed in the cited article.
Cited article: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/06/25/mel-gibson-files-restraining-order-baby-mama-oksana-grigorieva/
The article says the conditions of the restraining order are legally classified, and I don't see anywhere that says it has anything to do with her speaking publicly about the case. It doesn't specify any of this anywhere in the article.
It is possible that the person who wrote this entry invented this element himself/herself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.163.69.12 ( talk) 07:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
That section still skips all over the place with little or no detail linking events. Out of the blue it mentions a "former girlfriend" Well when did she become his girlfriend in the first place? was this an old high school sweetheart that he drug his feet breaking up with her, like 40 years later, or was she a more recent girlfriend? Very sketchy time line and many other details are presented in a disjointed fashion. I realize everyone is a volunteer and trying their best, I'm just providing some feedback on that family section, not trying to say anyone is not doing a super job. but this section could use some TLC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.36.221 ( talk) 14:37, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
I am posting some reason references here for others to take a look at. [1], [2], [3]. Obviously some of this is just duplications. There are more if anyone cares to look. I just thought that the newer stories could help balance out some of the information that is in this article and of course her article. I am just trying to help gather some sources at this point. Hope these help, -- CrohnieGal Talk 13:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
It seems that certain individuals who have some need to control things beyond their ability or expertise do not understand how prescient and important that these and other sites are for entertainment news - not political news or other types of more substantive and meaningful news and information, but for their beat (celebrities and entertainment) they are as legitimate as a source as it gets. They have broken a number of entertainment stories that other, more mainline sites missed (Michael Jackson's death being a notable example), and yet using them as references more often than not gets the entire addition to an article reverted with orders to "get better sources". For this particular area, these are the legitimate, better sources. Please do not revert the work of others simply because you think you know better. Lately it seems that there is a fair amount of wiki stalking going on regarding reversion of the work of others that some people do not agree with. Consensus is what carries the day here, and any one individual's opinion regarding the veracity or legitimacy of anything someone else has posted (unless it is obvious to common sense) means that a consensus has too be reached before a revert is made, not after. Please do not simply dump someone else's work because you think you know better or have the "authority" to do so. It lessens wikipedia greatly to have these types of arguments going on within and about the site, and is arrogant, solipsitic and annoying as hell. Please follow the rules regarding both sources and editing - they apply to all of us, including you! Themoodyblue ( talk) 04:51, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Given the size of this article, does anyone object to splitting the filmography from this article into Mel Gibson filmography, as I have done in my sandbox? Chicken monkey 10:05, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I went ahead and did it. Chicken monkey 20:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I would like to have this added to the article but I'm not sure where to put it. I just came across this and feel that it should be added under the movie section of The Passion of the Christ but not being sure I figured it would be best to add it here for input. Thanks in advance, -- CrohnieGal Talk 15:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
It says he is an American. I always thought he was Australian. That needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.74.82 ( talk) 21:27, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning that his (ex?) wife is now under extortion investigation stemming from all this recent mess? http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2010-07-21-mel-gibson_N.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by JahnTeller07 ( talk • contribs) 00:47, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
"Gibson and his former wife are believed to have contributed a substantial amount of money to various charities, one of which is Healing the Children." So the entire few sections have "Gibson said this, said that, did this, did that," and when something good appears about this oddball of Hollywood, it's "are believed to have..." I could "be bold" and do it myself, but It's locked. Anyone mind chainging this to something that doesn't stick out like a sore thumb? Like, "Gibson and his former wife contributed a substantial amount of money to various charities, one of which is Healing the Children." 64.234.0.101 ( talk) 06:39, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Should The Bounty really be listed as one of his notable films when it is widely regarded as the worst of the three versions and Gibson's portrayal of Fletcher Christian was dismissed by critics as bland? ( 92.10.20.179 ( talk) 12:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC))
But it was a critical and commercial flop and by far the least interesting version. Both Gibson and Anthony Hopkins have said the film was terrible. ( 92.0.58.239 ( talk) 10:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC))
I think it certainly is disputable considering the film was a terrible box office flop and Gibson gave an awful performance. ( 92.0.58.239 ( talk) 12:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC))
Whether the film was horrible or the greatest thing since Being There is a moot point. Whether Gibson's performance makes Keanu Reeves look like a genius or was wonderful is a moot point. The question at hand is whether it is one of his most notable films. The current blurb here is tripe. As it currently reads, Gibson is added to the list of greats in the role, the film is the most historically acurrate, but Gibson wanted to bring out more of a character. Rather, the film seems to have received mixed reviews and has been largely forgotten, relative to the likes of Mad Max, Lethal Weapon, Braveheart and such. I don't see a strong reason for including this. Gallipoli? Yes. The Bounty? Debatable. Apocalypto? No (recentism, even with its "further critical acclaim"...). - SummerPhD ( talk) 13:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
It wasn't a big role because the film was terrible just like his performance. The 1935 version will always be the best. ( 92.0.58.239 ( talk) 14:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC))
{{edit semi-protected}} Mel is an avid student of European history. His father teaches a non-accredited class in Holocaust Studies. Mel's foundation has added the following to it's list of Financuial recpients; NOW, Anti-defamation League , NAACP, Hitler regalia fan club, White First Hooded Society of America.
75.25.28.114 ( talk) 07:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
You don't say where you want this or what the source is. The source is the major thing needed. If you do not have a source, this may not be added but if you do, I'd be happy to add. Thanks, -- CrohnieGal Talk 09:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Mel Gibson has never said anything misogynistic, he never stated hatred for ALL women, he clearly just made fun of his ex (one particular woman). -- Nasturtiums ( talk) 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
He has made numerous misogynistic references to various females over the years, such as in his infamous interview with Playboy magazine. ( 92.11.180.57 ( talk) 18:32, 26 December 2010 (UTC))
The introduction should mention the fact he has been accused of racism due to his remarks. ( 92.11.180.57 ( talk) 15:42, 26 December 2010 (UTC))
Racism, anti-semitism, misogny and homophobia would be the correct order. ( 92.11.180.57 ( talk) 18:31, 26 December 2010 (UTC))
I see a fotograph of when he was young, the picture was taken at 1990. Everyone gets old, so why not include more images of the aging process??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.208.67.111 ( talk) 11:26, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining, it is due to licensing of the photograph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.171.15.183 ( talk) 13:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
i don't know how to do this! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.52.68 ( talk) 09:27, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Can probably be left blank or deleted for the forseeable future. 89.100.15.204 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC).
Where is the evidence that Gibson is a Sedevacantist. This is not the same as being a traditionalist Catholic. Sedevacantists do not recognize the current Pope. Most traditionalist Catholics have great respect for the authority of the Pope. Unless there is a citation showing Gibson is a Sedevacantist this section should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.128.43 ( talk) 22:44, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
It's in the box on the right under his religion.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.128.43 ( talk • contribs) 23:54, 14 May 2011
I was only vaguely aware of Sedevacantism, before now, but a Google news archive search of "Mel Gibson Sedevacantist" returned a handful of articles.
Whether these are reliable enough to describe Gibson as a "Sedevacantist", I don't know. Chicken monkey 04:30, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
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The following line(s) seem unnecessary and inappropriate:
Regardless of personal opinion of a public figure, the "Sexist Pig Award" does not really belong on a list of award or accomplishments as it is neither positive nor does it belong on a list of accolades. The sections regarding Gibsons personal troubles speak well enough on the facts and issues without the addition of personal opinion such as this.
Hiroshihai ( talk) 07:04, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Can someone make this date format consistent with others? "On July 8, 2010, Gibson was alleged to have made an ethnic slur against Latinos..." Should be 8 July 2010. 74.231.46.68 ( talk) 15:26, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I referenced the case # in the article that I got here which is not a wonderful source. -- Javaweb ( talk) 23:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)Javaweb
The "Spouse" portion of the box under Mr. Gibson's picture says "Robyn Moore Gibson (m. 1980–present)," but under the "Family" section of the article it says that he split with his wife in 2009. Can someone please verify his current relationship status (if anybody actually cares)." Lee ( talk) 01:54, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected}} According to Deadline.com Mel Gibson is working on a new film about Jewish hero Judah Maccabee Mel Gibson And Joe Eszterhas To Collaborate On Film Telling Jewish Hero Judah Maccabee Story For Warner Bros. It is a currently untitled drama that teams Gibson and screenwriter Joe Eszterhas. Mel Gibson Making Judah Maccabee Film With Warner Bros.
Sordini2 ( talk) 07:35, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
The first quote about Gibson being described as "ultraconservative" is not backed up by the source. It may be entirely made up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.167.136.2 ( talk) 00:20, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Mel Gibson was born in upstate New York and moved to Australia as a child. At no time has he ever had Australian citizenship. Previous versions of this page have listed him as "Australian-American," which is inaccurate as it connotes immigration from Australia. He simply resumed living in the United States as an adult, so he should be referenced as "American" and not "Australian-American." [2] Johnnyvaillan ( talk) 18:34, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Gibson's nationality has been a very popular topic of discussion on this talk page. Although the basic facts of his life don't seem disputed, there is disagreement about whether he is "Australian-American", "Irish-American", "Australian", or whatever. The article already talks about his birthplace, his family heritage, where he grew up, his citizenship, and so on. Therefore, I see little value in giving a potentially misleading one- or two-word summary. For now I've removed the (contradictory) claims of his nationality from the lead and infobox. I would suggest leaving them omitted unless we get either (1) a consensus with a sound basis in Wikipedia policy or guidelines or (2) agreement among reliable sources. Adrian J. Hunter( talk• contribs) 13:02, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Wow! Seems like Wikipedia really has it in for Mel! It's like everything little negative thing you could find about him, you put on his Wiki page. I mean stupid little stuff!!! Who hasn't made said something dumb before? Really? We don't care. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.10.95 ( talk) 03:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Winona Ryder, talking about Mel Gibson::
I remember, like, fifteen years ago, I was at one of those big Hollywood parties. And he was really drunk. I was with my friend, who's gay. He made a really horrible gay joke. And somehow it came up that I was Jewish. He said something about 'oven dodgers,' but I didn't get it. I'd never heard that before. It was just this weird, weird moment. I was like, 'He's anti-Semitic and he's homophobic.' No one believed me!
— Winona Ryder, Alex Pappademas (January 2011). "Winona Forever". GQ.
So, not every "dumb" thing he has said is in the article. I don't know that dumb is an accurate way to describe him and the word "dumb" does not appear in the article. -- Javaweb ( talk) 16:02, 18 March 2011 (UTC)Javaweb
What's with the Irish thing? Australian...also his ancestry is Scottish/Irish, he is a member of Clan Bunchannan (# ^ Derek Lambie, ‘Sporran Legion’, The Express on Sunday (30 May 2004), p. 49.) I think its miss leading putting Irish, Australian-American would be a better suit...
Isn't Mel Gibson Irish American? He has an Irish mother, & an American father and just happened to live in Australia...
The text says he holds both Irish and US citizenship, but the info box claims his nationality is Australian/US. Which is it?
How is he Irish-American if he's born in New York? American of Irish ancestry/descent perhaps, but not Irish-American. 66.9.167.110 ( talk) 17:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC) jAN 20, 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.9.167.110 ( talk) 17:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC) 89.126.56.62 ( talk) 14:53, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Saying he's Irish American is stupid, everyone knows he's an Australian-American —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.83.164 ( talk) 15:47, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
He is not "Australian-American', his father Hutton's mother Eva Mylott was Australian which allowed Hutton to immigrate to Australia at one point. Mel was born in the US and never an Australian citizen.( 24.62.224.219 ( talk) 08:54, 8 March 2011 (UTC))
Why Irish-American he was born in the U.S and he lives there! -- Pioelad ( talk) 22:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Should be changed it's quite silly actually, he has ever been identified as an Irish American. It should either say 'Australian-American' or simply just 'American' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.248.67 ( talk) 15:42, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Why would it say 'Australian-American' just because he lived in Australia for a number of years and was never a citizen (!??) That makes Zero sense! Living someplace does not make you a citizen, so what are you basing the Australian thing on? He was not born there, he was never a citizen, and only his grandmother was Australian! He did not qualify for citizenship by birth (though his father did!) and has always been a US citizen! The term 'Australian' does not even fit here in the slightest despite idiotic pronouncements such as "everyone knows he's an Australian-American". Wikipedia is predicated on facts. People thinking he should be called Australian with no real reason behind it is what's "stupid". ( 24.62.224.219 ( talk) 08:54, 8 March 2011 (UTC))
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Mel Gibson is not ROMAN Catholic. He is in communion with a traditionalist Latin Rite independent catholic jurisdiction like the Society of St. Pius X or the Society of St. Pius V. His jurisdiction is not in union with the Roman Catholic Church.
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Nationality in first praragph is Australian-American Nationality, not Irish-America. Noticed this had been changed to "Irish-American" from "Australian-American" after last visit.
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ADDITION needed in 2nd Paragraph?: "...IN 1979, after Mad Max, Gibson also played a mentally slow youth in the film "Tim," A FILM WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY MICHAEL PATE, BASED ON THE 1974 NOVEL BY COLLEEN MCCULLOUGH, AND FOR WHICH GIBSON RECEIVED THE AUSTRALIAN FILM INSTITUTE AWARD FOR BEST ACTOR. I found this information on your page for "Tim." 76.244.162.2 ( talk) 03:44, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
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Section AWARDS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS: shouldn't you add, "1979, Best Actor Award by the Australian Film Institute for the film, "Tim." I found this on your page for MEL GIBSON. Thank you. 76.244.162.2 ( talk) 04:02, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be mentioned that Gibson's anti-semitic tirade occured during the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah War? ( 92.7.25.234 ( talk) 20:43, 8 December 2011 (UTC))
The article does a poor job of recording the Jewish reaction to the movie. A typical reaction from William Safire (March 1, 2004). "Not Peace, but a Sword". New York Times.:
What are the dramatic purposes of this depiction of cruelty and pain? First, shock; the audience I sat in gasped at the first tearing of flesh. Next, pity at the sight of prolonged suffering. And finally, outrage: who was responsible for this cruel humiliation? What villain deserves to be punished?
Not Pontius Pilate, the Roman in charge; he and his kindly wife are sympathetic characters. Nor is King Herod shown to be at fault
The villains at whom the audience's outrage is directed are the actors playing bloodthirsty rabbis and their rabid Jewish followers. This is the essence of the medieval "passion play," preserved in pre-Hitler Germany at Oberammergau, a source of the hatred of all Jews as "Christ killers...
— William Safire
This article does not need a "Jewish reaction" to a film by Mel Gibson nor does it need a Hindu reaction to any of his films. This article already has a disproportionate amount of criticism (compared to other actors who have said racist/hateful things) and it needs condensed.
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does the sexist pig award need to be mentioned? I mean, it looks quite snarky stacked up against the academy awards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.202.18 ( talk) 09:12, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Should've kept it. It fits, he received it and now this looks like a puff piece for the guy. Typical wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.165.123 ( talk) 19:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Info on his filmography differs from other film sites so where did yours come from? It doesn't say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.165.123 ( talk) 19:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
These ones [5] [6] says "Columcille" while this one [7] says "Colmcille", neither says "Colm-Cille" but why not? The rest is as in the current intro. Rursus dixit. ( mbork3!) 18:55, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I've added sourcing for this and also point out that EB's
entry on him uses this wording. I think it is a nice compromise. He became notable as an Australian actor.
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I know you suggested it, that's why I said it:) Thought I was giving you credit. Good call on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnyvaillan ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Nowhere in the primary document does it mention cast or crew of Hangover 2 objecting to Mel's appearance in the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Legit edit ( talk • contribs) 08:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Hes irish american his father is Irish american and his mother was Irish there should be more info for this. — Preceding
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I can't help but notice that the category, "People with bipolar disorder", has been added to the article, except it isn't mentioned anywhere in the article. Are there some sources for this? Otherwise, it needs to be removed immediately. 69.165.140.210 ( talk) 06:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Why does everyone jump to hold the Bi Polar card when they happen to be complete wankers? I'm serious. Its descriminatory to insinuate that people with BP are prone to abusive or out of order behaviour. If your a celeb you can buy a diagnosis for milk tokens.
VinDibs ( talk) 00:22, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
We are told she was born in County Longford, Ireland, and then we are told The move to Hutton's mother's native Australia.... Which is it, anybody know? JohnClarknew ( talk) 06:18, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
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I am requesting to add an addition to Mel Gibson's page in Philanthropy under Personal Life. I wish to add "Gibson is also a supporter of 'Angels at Risk', a nonprofit organization highlighting prevention education for drug and alcohol use and abuse with teens and their families." Source: http://angelsatrisk.com/
I wish to add this because Mel Gibson and his previous wife were primary supporters and are still members of the "Angels at Risk Crew" Source: http://angelsatrisk.com/?page_id=894
Cameron Love ( talk) 05:53, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Yeah how about when he said he wanted to fuck his wife oksana up the ass while stabbing her to death? Why isn't that one in here? I do not see this section in other actors Wikipedia note (and please don't say other actors did not make controversial remarks)- one would have to have IQ of a peanut to include this section or author/authors of this section must be an alleged racist/racists. Wikipedia more and more is a garbage information - when even high school dropouts are ridiculing Wikipedia as the most unreliable and biased source of information on Internet - it is time to worry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.28.92 ( talk) 21:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC)